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Martyn Bishop

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Re: O/T In or out
« Reply #600 on: August 17, 2017, 04:48:10 PM »
Immigrants actually make a net contribution to the UK economy - they pay more in taxes etc than the receive in benefits.

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« Reply #601 on: August 17, 2017, 07:10:42 PM »
Immigrants actually make a net contribution to the UK economy - they pay more in taxes etc than the receive in benefits.
In taxes yes, but lets not forget that they send around 30% of total wages per month back to their homelands. Meaning it doesn't get spent in our Country and help boost our economy. I know if we worked abroad we would probably do the same, but that still doesn't address our situation here is my honest opinion.  I would also add just how much they claim for children that are not currently in the UK, more of our money freely moving abroad. While most migrants are blooming good workers, i am still not convinced the pro's outweigh the cons. Especially where our economy and communities are concerned. As i said to Pete, i respect all of your views as i would expect you would respect mine. To be all the same in agreement would make the world a boring place.

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« Reply #602 on: August 18, 2017, 08:01:35 AM »
No worries, not going to fall out with you or anyone about it. This is a Boston forum after all, not PMQs, although this thread has been fascinating over the last year or so.... and refreshingly cordial given the wide range of opinions!

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« Reply #603 on: August 18, 2017, 08:43:00 AM »
Immigrants actually make a net contribution to the UK economy - they pay more in taxes etc than the receive in benefits.
Does that include when they return home for a time and them return to claim tax back?

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« Reply #604 on: August 21, 2017, 06:45:03 PM »
I really do not see that Ireland is a problem. We have an agreement with Ireland since the separation of the nations and this predates the EU or even the EEC by many years. Under that agreement,  Irish passport holders have the right to restriction-free travel within the UK and an Irish passport holder can even countersign your application for a UK passport. Assuming that a resumption of "The Troubles" does not occur we just resort to the situation prior to 1968.

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« Reply #605 on: August 21, 2017, 08:27:34 PM »
Immigrants actually make a net contribution to the UK economy - they pay more in taxes etc than the receive in benefits.

You overlook the cost of new schools , expanding the health service and the problems and costs of housing Martyn .
A factor overlooked applicable to Boston is the distress caused to many housed and unhoused Bostonians ,  many have been pushed down
the social ladder housing list ,  others in the lower cost home areas of Boston have found themselves trapped in a home unsellable
at a fair market value due to adjacent HMOs .    All due to lack of planning starting in the Blair era right through to the present
government .

These very same people unable to for see relatively simple problems like above then have the audacity to preach the merits/setbacks
involved in Brexit . These are joined by bankers and others who  at different times have been caught with their fingers in the till .
Add to that the "facts" which is in fact speculation  produced by "experts" the political equivalent of M O Day pundits ..

Can we really form a sound opinion based on the above ?    Relax and sit back 5 years before a true picture emerges .

And lets all reward Dipododah for instigating this thread  by rushing up and buying him a pint in the Pilgrim bar tomorrow night . :)

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« Reply #606 on: August 21, 2017, 08:59:09 PM »
Immigrants actually make a net contribution to the UK economy - they pay more in taxes etc than the receive in benefits.

You overlook the cost of new schools , expanding the health service and the problems and costs of housing Martyn .
A factor overlooked applicable to Boston is the distress caused to many housed and unhoused Bostonians ,  many have been pushed down
the social ladder housing list ,  others in the lower cost home areas of Boston have found themselves trapped in a home unsellable
at a fair market value due to adjacent HMOs .    All due to lack of planning starting in the Blair era right through to the present
government .

These very same people unable to for see relatively simple problems like above then have the audacity to preach the merits/setbacks
involved in Brexit . These are joined by bankers and others who  at different times have been caught with their fingers in the till .
Add to that the "facts" which is in fact speculation  produced by "experts" the political equivalent of M O Day pundits ..

Can we really form a sound opinion based on the above ?    Relax and sit back 5 years before a true picture emerges .

And lets all reward Dipododah for instigating this thread  by rushing up and buying him a pint in the Pilgrim bar tomorrow night . :)

 :) I would think I am more likely to get a bash on the head.
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« Reply #607 on: August 22, 2017, 12:11:43 PM »
I really do not see that Ireland is a problem. We have an agreement with Ireland since the separation of the nations and this predates the EU or even the EEC by many years. Under that agreement,  Irish passport holders have the right to restriction-free travel within the UK and an Irish passport holder can even countersign your application for a UK passport. Assuming that a resumption of "The Troubles" does not occur we just resort to the situation prior to 1968.

Right, but it's not Irish passport holders the Brexit lot are worried about is it?

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« Reply #608 on: August 26, 2017, 12:02:57 AM »
Net immigration down according to the latest figures.
Nowhere near the 10s of thousands Cameron said he was aiming for, but we've been lied to by the Governor of the Bank of England, both the current and the ex - Chancellor, the ONS, the CBI, the BBC, and every two-bit remoaner snake-oil salesman who decides to stick his or her oar in, so what were we to expect from our ex - prime minister?  ;)

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« Reply #609 on: August 26, 2017, 11:04:55 PM »
Presumably driven by the UK being a much less attractive place to come to, a very dubious cause for celebration...

The only way we'll ever get near the 100k net migration 'target' in the next decade is by completely crashing the economy or doctoring the figures Soviet style. At the moment, the former doesn't look particularly likely, as the high up sensibles (essentially Phillip Hammond and the civil service) look to be doing a reasonably adept job of ensuring we quietly sell out on the more idiotic Brexit ideas/fetishes in order to avoid the damage they would cause (see: EFTA Court). As of yet, people don't really seem to have noticed. Essentially, we're probably going to end up having a relationship with the EU that means we have slightly lower obligations on matters like free movement (which will be superficial/for parading to the Daily Mail), a clunkier but still workable trading relationship, and a significantly diminished influence over any of this stuff. A pretty bum deal, but probably about the least bad one available.

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« Reply #610 on: August 27, 2017, 08:24:22 AM »
Come on Adam and ED,  sod Brexit more important things to sort out down York St , we've got sort out the Chapman /Murray problem first.  ;)

We can hear and read much on Brexit through the media , which I guess is where most get the Brexit information from .   How reliable is this ?    Note most the journalists attended the same education establishments as the politicians that they socialise with and collect their "reliable information" from .

Independent studies ?  these are mainly commissioned by people/parties with a vested interest .  compiled by so called experts based mainly on biased speculation to suit the organisation paying the huge fee for the report ,  Well won't we do the same ? , probably another big payday round the corner .

I collect my information from Fred (not his real name ) next door .  Fred,s  education although better than mine did not extend to the establishments which these so called Brexit experts attended .   
What expertise does Fred have to offer that the above mentioned experts do not ? .   Fred has worked in the food processing import/export business for 25 years .  When Brexit is done and dusted he will have what he has now , a job that gives him a reasonable  life style , no fat cat salary nor a multi-million pound windfalls.   
I have found his information/predictions far more reliable and unbiased than that collected from the media .

Abandon the Telegraph and the log fire .
Nothing beats standing on the drive discussing Brexit with Fred in a lovely Lincolnshire sunset .  Healthy, enlightening and the free fruit and veg tastes great .

The immigration figures were in line with Fred,s prediction .       Factories going up in Poland , and  "staff wanted " posters beginning to appear in some EU countries .

Forget Brexit  lets get back to the more important matters of Murray and Chapman !

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« Reply #611 on: August 27, 2017, 10:10:48 AM »
Come on Adam and ED,  sod Brexit more important things to sort out down York St , we've got sort out the Chapman /Murray problem first.  ;)

We can hear and read much on Brexit through the media , which I guess is where most get the Brexit information from .   How reliable is this ?    Note most the journalists attended the same education establishments as the politicians that they socialise with and collect their "reliable information" from .

Independent studies ?  these are mainly commissioned by people/parties with a vested interest .  compiled by so called experts based mainly on biased speculation to suit the organisation paying the huge fee for the report ,  Well won't we do the same ? , probably another big payday round the corner .

I collect my information from Fred (not his real name ) next door .  Fred,s  education although better than mine did not extend to the establishments which these so called Brexit experts attended .   
What expertise does Fred have to offer that the above mentioned experts do not ? .   Fred has worked in the food processing import/export business for 25 years .  When Brexit is done and dusted he will have what he has now , a job that gives him a reasonable  life style , no fat cat salary nor a multi-million pound windfalls.   
I have found his information/predictions far more reliable and unbiased than that collected from the media .

Abandon the Telegraph and the log fire .
Nothing beats standing on the drive discussing Brexit with Fred in a lovely Lincolnshire sunset .  Healthy, enlightening and the free fruit and veg tastes great .

The immigration figures were in line with Fred,s prediction .       Factories going up in Poland , and  "staff wanted " posters beginning to appear in some EU countries .

Forget Brexit  lets get back to the more important matters of Murray and Chapman !

Well said GHM. I thought you would be at church this sunny Sunday morning ;)
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« Reply #612 on: August 27, 2017, 01:03:52 PM »
Labour have just fallen off their Brexit fence on the side of staying in the Single Market and Customs Union...what a mess they're in   :police:

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« Reply #613 on: September 01, 2017, 08:24:23 AM »
I see the EU put the devorce bill for the UK at 100 billion. They are having a laugh. :-[
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« Reply #614 on: September 01, 2017, 08:34:47 AM »
Absolute disgrace....just shows how much they extract from UK.
They may have mentioned this 18 months ago...something else they grey unelected are trying to impose on us...