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youngchubby69

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Re: O/T In or out
« Reply #765 on: October 02, 2018, 02:16:05 PM »
Theresa May's decided to go for a non-discriminatory immigration policy going forward that doesn't favour people from the EU, but merely judges people based on skills.

And therein lies the crux of the issue: no-one from the UK wants to pick cabbages around Boston, and farmers can't afford to pay people from the UK enough to make the dismal work enticing enough.

So we'll need foreign labour regardless - it's just now more likely to come from somewhere else, e.g South East Asia or Africa, because they'll do the work for even LESS than the eastern Europeans. Which I imagine is going to go down really, really well with all the local "send 'em home" types.

Being born in a farming community I saw this local labour problem evolve .  Basicly the workers protested with their feet and walked away sick and tired of having to graft hard to buy a bike while the farmers drove around in Jags .
You never see a farmer riding a push bike.

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« Reply #766 on: October 02, 2018, 03:07:11 PM »
There's an interesting article on the BBC News website at the moment showing what proportion of EU workers we use from various industries.(www.bbc.uk/news/business-45720390). Food and Drink for instance uses 25%, while Health uses 5% which I thought would have been more.

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« Reply #767 on: October 02, 2018, 04:51:47 PM »
I remember a few years back asking a guy if he still worked on the land.

He said no.   He said that he used to work piece work, start at daylight work till early afternoon and earn a good wage.

The migrant workers came in and undercut the local workforce.  He said suddenly he was on an hourly rate, working longer hours and earning half what he was earning before.

I cannot verify if the above is true, but with pressure from the supermarkets I can see farmers taking this option.
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« Reply #768 on: October 02, 2018, 05:06:40 PM »
Minimum wage too soon became the default maximum wage for the many greedy bosses in industries that relied on peicework.
A problem of our own making not migrants.

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« Reply #769 on: October 03, 2018, 08:20:56 AM »
I remember a few years back asking a guy if he still worked on the land.

He said no.   He said that he used to work piece work, start at daylight work till early afternoon and earn a good wage.

The migrant workers came in and undercut the local workforce.  He said suddenly he was on an hourly rate, working longer hours and earning half what he was earning before.

I cannot verify if the above is true, but with pressure from the supermarkets I can see farmers taking this option.

Local students used to do this kind of stuff too. I know - I used to do it in various places up near Lincoln. Even back in the early 2000s, us students (lots from Lincoln Uni and DMU, also trainee teachers and A-level college kids) were surrounded by foreign workers - not eastern European at that point, but from places like Iraq and Kosovo. I also remember a fair amount of lads from Ireland. The money wasn't actually that bad if you were prepared to graft a 12 hour night shift. It was certainly much better than going to work in a pub or shop, which was the preferred part-time vocation of 95% of students. But still, very VERY few locals did it as a proper full-time, long term job. Perhaps one or two from what I recall.

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« Reply #770 on: October 03, 2018, 09:26:17 AM »
I used to do it in my youth, bean pulling, strawberry picking and bulb picking.  Never made a lot, but kept me out of trouble in the school holidays.  I am older than you, so a lot of locals, maybe the odd Irishman.
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« Reply #771 on: October 07, 2018, 04:25:40 PM »
Been from the farming area the only thing that crashed the farming is the supermarkets. Not the migrants....
Take a bit of broc for example. Inflation as gone up but the farms are still getting prices from 10 years ago. Out of that the farms cost as gone up so its just unrealistic for farms to be able to pay £15-£20 a hour like they did

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« Reply #772 on: October 07, 2018, 10:33:35 PM »
I used to do it in my youth, bean pulling, strawberry picking and bulb picking.  Never made a lot, but kept me out of trouble in the school holidays.  I am older than you, so a lot of locals, maybe the odd Irishman.
The influx of Irish farm workers from the 1900's onwards echo the same sort of issues as that seen today. They came in their thousands to the UK and during the war years, while Englishmen were keeping the peace in Ireland on just 1s a day, these Irish farm workers, doing the job of these aforementioned Englishmen, were earning 7s 6d. Needless to say, this eventually caused great unrest. During the period of the 'Irish invasion' as some put it, there was also a rise in criminal disorderly conduct, much related to drink. Now step forward over a hundred years and the issues seen now do in many ways echo those of the past.

I too have done farm and land work in my youth. Over 12 years on a strawberry farm, along with cropping veg, bagging onions and potato grading etc. Was hard work, but my co workers were all UK nationals too. So when I hear this 'locals won't do the work', there is always a raised eyebrow from me.

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« Reply #773 on: October 08, 2018, 08:04:58 AM »
" The locals won't do the work "  This may now be true.  We have lost a generation of local land workers. >:(.
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« Reply #774 on: October 14, 2018, 09:42:48 AM »
Recently overheard some 12 year old school kids using ‘you’re a big Brexiteer’ as a casual insult to each other.

Chaps, I don’t think history and future generations are going to judge Brexit very kindly.

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« Reply #775 on: October 14, 2018, 11:28:55 AM »
Recently overheard some 12 year old school kids using ‘you’re a big Brexiteer’ as a casual insult to each other.

Chaps, I don’t think history and future generations are going to judge Brexit very kindly.

Nor does my generation look too kindly on our joining the Common Market (we didn't have a referendum) that's led to all this hassle.

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« Reply #776 on: October 14, 2018, 11:56:33 AM »
Recently overheard some 12 year old school kids using ‘you’re a big Brexiteer’ as a casual insult to each other.

Chaps, I don’t think history and future generations are going to judge Brexit very kindly.

Adam I think most posters on here will not pay too much attention to a comment by kids made on a subject which like it or not no one knows the correct answer to.    An unprecedented event with no history to form a judgement on .
By the time they get to voting age they will maybe have some evidence to judge if their comment was appropiate or not .

Predictions a tricky business!  eg for 70 years I have regulary supported the Pilgrims , on Patter Predictions  like most others I fail to predict the correct score ,  which is a far easier subject for us to predict than Brexit .


Predictions by my MP Matt Warman , Geo and Dave assurred me two years ago that a LEAVE vote would overnight leave us with many becoming unemployed , homes repossessed and derelict industrial estates .
On an increasing scale since then my mate Matt keeps reminding us that locally job numbers are increasing , house building is booming and we have some booming businesses .
How's it look from where you are Adam ?

And lets not forget on the other flank we had IDS (remember him ? the minister who claimed he could live in his £2k mansion on £50 (fifty)a week )  advocating leave to create monies for the NHS and the vulnerable .  Ironic that  millions of the vulnerable are/or soon will be having to take payday loans which they will never be able to repay , and only eat courtesy of the food banks .  This the outcome of the "improved" benifit system (UC) introduced by IDS ,   which has cost the taxpayer £billions .

My hope Adam is that these kids along with others when  becoming adults may well be better judges of the integrity of politicions than todays generation of voters are .are.




 



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« Reply #777 on: October 14, 2018, 12:42:57 PM »
It will be interesting to see what comes out of the EU Summit meeting this week ~ more Cabinet resignations are likely with May sticking to her guns on keeping us in the Customs Union indefinitely  :police:

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« Reply #778 on: October 15, 2018, 08:28:29 AM »
Can't see any way for May to escape this. There is absolutely no deal she can reach that will satisfy the remainers in her party, or the hardline Brexiters, or the DUP, or the EU.

GE followed by a Corbyn government with a tiny majority would be my guess at this point - at which point all bets are off for what happens next. I think we are in for an extraordinary and highly destructive few months.

Still. Immigrants. Boo.

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« Reply #779 on: October 15, 2018, 04:42:06 PM »
Can't see any way for May to escape this. There is absolutely no deal she can reach that will satisfy the remainers in her party, or the hardline Brexiters, or the DUP, or the EU.

GE followed by a Corbyn government with a tiny majority would be my guess at this point - at which point all bets are off for what happens next. I think we are in for an extraordinary and highly destructive few months.

Still. Immigrants. Boo.

agree with everything above until the final "summary" ,,,if you believe its purely about immigrants i believe you are wrong..
maybe its about paying more in than we get out?
maybe its about an unnecessary parliament in Brussels?
maybe its about an unnecessary European commission ?
We voted "in" to a Common Market... a free trade area..did it need parliament/commissions to sort it?
 despite all the warnings from Michael Foot, Peter Shore, Tony Benn that this would lead to, well, where we are now!