O/T In or out

[green hats mate]

Come on Spannerman ,  leave us in peace .  We've had 3 months of non- brexit on here , we've got the world cup to enjoy and you give Dippy an opening to get on his soapbox again . Sack May and put Southgate in charge he'll sort out the remainers .

More importantly we still need some strikers .

[Dipdodah]

 Now now GHM,  nearly 73000 views someone must be interested. 

[Pete Brooksbank]

Interestingly, following a meeting with a number of business representatives, the Government has today finally conceded it would take at least five years to create a brand new customs system from scratch, and probably a decade to create one that would work for smaller businesses - long beyond any transitional deal offered to us by the EU. Of course this won't make the headlines, but it certainly will feed into what happens at Chequers on Friday. Put very simply, "no deal" Brexit is dead, and those campaigning for one are about to be very firmly put in their place. They may well bring down Theresa May in rebellion but all that will do will open the door for a Corbyn government, and he won't pursue it either. They've lost the argument.

It's nice to see the reality of the world in which we operate finally hitting home with the Government, even as some of the hysterical ideological vandals send letters to the PM insisting we simply walk away. Cabinet ministers are finally - FINALLY - coming to understand it is a delusional fantasy and a technical impossibility. It's only taken two years....

[Dipdodah]

Sorry GHM soapbox time.

WHAT A SHAMBLES. 

[Pete Brooksbank]

Sorry GHM soapbox time.

WHAT A SHAMBLES.

And yet entirely predictable. More businesses have come out against hard Brexit today. It ain't happening, no matter how many people quit.

[oxo]

Always followed this thread but never commented, well here goes. It appears I and the majority of plebs misread the polling card where voting to leave really meant staying in and this being the case I will not be voting ever again in any form of poll devised by a corrupt British Government of what ever persuasion. As democracy has clearly been kicked into touch I will fiddle what I can out of this Government with a clear conscience just as those in both Houses do. 

[Dipdodah]

Always followed this thread but never commented, well here goes. It appears I and the majority of plebs misread the polling card where voting to leave really meant staying in and this being the case I will not be voting ever again in any form of poll devised by a corrupt British Government of what ever persuasion. As democracy has clearly been kicked into touch I will fiddle what I can out of this Government with a clear conscience just as those in both Houses do.

Today is the day democracy died.  My father ( who was Irish ) fought in the second world war to protect democracy ( he volunteered ).

No deal is better than a bad deal, and boy is this a bad deal.

The gist of it, as I see it is let's stay in the EU but not by name.  Which also means no vote no say, they will trample all over us.

Well said Oxo

[Pete Brooksbank]

Always followed this thread but never commented, well here goes. It appears I and the majority of plebs misread the polling card where voting to leave really meant staying in and this being the case I will not be voting ever again in any form of poll devised by a corrupt British Government of what ever persuasion. As democracy has clearly been kicked into touch I will fiddle what I can out of this Government with a clear conscience just as those in both Houses do.

It was too simple a question for an outrageously complex proposal. No-one really understood how intertwined we are with the mechanisms of the single market. Which was, of course, Thatcher's brainchild, and something that many businesses in the UK now rely on since their entire supply chain is based upon being within it.

[Pete Brooksbank]

Always followed this thread but never commented, well here goes. It appears I and the majority of plebs misread the polling card where voting to leave really meant staying in and this being the case I will not be voting ever again in any form of poll devised by a corrupt British Government of what ever persuasion. As democracy has clearly been kicked into touch I will fiddle what I can out of this Government with a clear conscience just as those in both Houses do.

Today is the day democracy died.  My father ( who was Irish ) fought in the second world war to protect democracy ( he volunteered ).

No deal is better than a bad deal, and boy is this a bad deal.

The gist of it, as I see it is let's stay in the EU but not by name.  Which also means no vote no say, they will trample all over us.

Well said Oxo

The government in its current guise is poised to fail. Don't give up on democracy just yet - you may yet get your dream ticket of a Rees-Mogg led Tory Government delivering us a no-deal Brexit and decimating the economy (but at least we'll be out and you will be happy).

On the flip side, a General Election could deliver your worst nightmare - a Lib-Dem/Labour coalition, with the Lib-Dems hauling Corbyn back from his own vision of a no-deal Brexit (one that would allow him to inflict his brand of socialism on the country) and pursuing a much softer EEA/Norway style deal.

Democracy eh? Fun and games.

[oxo]

Always followed this thread but never commented, well here goes. It appears I and the majority of plebs misread the polling card where voting to leave really meant staying in and this being the case I will not be voting ever again in any form of poll devised by a corrupt British Government of what ever persuasion. As democracy has clearly been kicked into touch I will fiddle what I can out of this Government with a clear conscience just as those in both Houses do.

It was too simple a question for an outrageously complex proposal. No-one really understood how intertwined we are with the mechanisms of the single market. Which was, of course, Thatcher's brainchild, and something that many businesses in the UK now rely on since their entire supply chain is based upon being within it.

Pete I understand what you are saying but it was this Government who dreamed up the wording of the proposal under estimating the feelings of the majority, but now they must not be allowed to do what you are doing and kicking us voters in the teeth and demeaning the ordinary people of this Nation. By the way I hated Thatcher and all she stood for but at least she always did what she said she would not like this load of tossers.

[oxo]

Always followed this thread but never commented, well here goes. It appears I and the majority of plebs misread the polling card where voting to leave really meant staying in and this being the case I will not be voting ever again in any form of poll devised by a corrupt British Government of what ever persuasion. As democracy has clearly been kicked into touch I will fiddle what I can out of this Government with a clear conscience just as those in both Houses do.

Today is the day democracy died.  My father ( who was Irish ) fought in the second world war to protect democracy ( he volunteered ).

No deal is better than a bad deal, and boy is this a bad deal.

The gist of it, as I see it is let's stay in the EU but not by name.  Which also means no vote no say, they will trample all over us.

Well said Oxo

The government in its current guise is poised to fail. Don't give up on democracy just yet - you may yet get your dream ticket of a Rees-Mogg led Tory Government delivering us a no-deal Brexit and decimating the economy (but at least we'll be out and you will be happy).

On the flip side, a General Election could deliver your worst nightmare - a Lib-Dem/Labour coalition, with the Lib-Dems hauling Corbyn back from his own vision of a no-deal Brexit (one that would allow him to inflict his brand of socialism on the country) and pursuing a much softer EEA/Norway style deal.

Democracy eh? Fun and games.

Read my post again Pete. I stated I will no longer vote on any issue put forward by any corrupt British Government of whatever persuasion and that includes Labour/Lib-Dems the point I am making is that they are all corrupt and I will look after my interests my way. Anyway, Up The Pilgrims there is much more important issues than Brexit a word that now means nothing.

[tom and jerry]

The voters were lied to. Simple

Lied to re the increased NHS spending and lied to re immigration

But the majority fell for it

That's why we are where we are. Gullible people buying into lies from the leave campaign

[Pete Brooksbank]

I feel sorry that people feel betrayed, but a "no deal" Brexit was a delusional fantasy no sane government could inflict on the country, as has been repeatedly pointed out again and again on this thread, and in the papers and everywhere else.

But again: it's entirely plausible we soon end up with a different government, one that isn't sane at all. It might be a hard-right Tory coup that crashes us out and begins a regulatory bonfire that leaves ordinary workers booted out of jobs and without rights/pensions/sick pay when they do eventually find other work, or a hard-left Labour/Momentum coup that achieves much the same thing but allows Corbyn to reshape our shattered economy towards his vision of a socialist Britain.

If you lust after a hard brexit, is this really what you want? Why?

[Dipdodah]

The voters were lied to. Simple

Lied to re the increased NHS spending and lied to re immigration

But the majority fell for it

That's why we are where we are. Gullible people buying into lies from the leave campaign

I agree the voters were lied to.

The biggest lie being on the voting form.

Democracy!!!  At least in Russia they know they are getting shafted.

I am like OXO  no point in voting again.

[Bodge]

Well Tom and Jerry, never been called gullible before. I believe in democracy and I voted to leave what I believe to be a corrupt syndicate that misuses public funds and continues to erode countries identities. I knew times would be hard if the out vote won never expecting it would.

So now not only am I a racist and bigoted I’m also gullible. Please don’t subscribe to the view that the majority didn’t really have good reasons to vote out and hadn’t thought long and hard about which box to put the cross in.