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When is a foul not a foul
« on: November 22, 2012, 08:27:54 AM »
Some referees wouldn,t know a foul if it was on his Sunday plate, surrounded by vegetables and roast  potatoes and still had it's feathers on. Which brings me to my question. If a player is shielding the ball to let it go out of play and is leaning back into a player to prevent him from getting to the ball then why is that not a foul. Surely he is playing the player and NOT playing the ball and is then either a foul or obstruction. Has there been a change in the rules or do some players just like backing into burly butch men.

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2012, 11:12:13 AM »
A foul is usually not a foul if it's in the penalty area.

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2012, 03:09:29 PM »
I've always thought that it should be given as obstruction, since that would be the decision elsewhere on the field. However, shirt pulling and what amounts to assault when waiting for a corner to be taken seem to be acceptable to most referees in the modern game, but a fair attempt at a tackle that is mistimed by a fraction of a second will bring a yellow card. Ninety percent of referees now give a foul for a true shoulder charge. Times have changed and the rule book needs to be either rewritten or reread.

I remember that when playing schoolboy football in the fifties, a referee (teacher) would give a foul for raising the forearms above waist height, and if you argued would want to know to what purpose you were doing it. One teacher would suggest that if you were so keen to raise your arms, boxing lessons could be arranged after school.

The change to the game started to creep in when Spurs were playing European games in the early sixties and we would shout at the tele at referees allowing the "continental" foul.

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2012, 03:40:58 PM »
I recall "leaning back into a player " used to be pulled up as obstruction by refs .

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2012, 05:47:58 PM »
Do it anywhere else on the pitch and 95% of the time its a foul.

Always amuses me this one. enlightened more by the SM player who held our striker away so the ball could go out of play. Shame of it was they was at least 5 foot from the ball

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 06:42:55 PM »
I believe the law states the person blocking has to be within playing distance of the ball. Obviously some defenders have very long legs.

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2012, 07:19:29 PM »
When the Referee dosen't blow his whistle. ;)
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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2012, 08:17:22 PM »
I believe the law states the person blocking has to be within playing distance of the ball. Obviously some defenders have very long legs.

Under control of the ball is also in the law somewhere so that is taken to mean within a distance to be able to play it. Used to annoy the f**k out of me but I've mellowed with age.
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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2012, 08:40:46 PM »
Is this the law under discussion?
 [ Cut and pasted from fifa.com]

Impeding the progress of an opponent
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the path of the
opponent to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction by an
opponent when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
All players have a right to their position on the field of play, being in the way of
an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.
Shielding the ball is permitted. A player who places himself between an
opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an offence as
long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off
the opponent with his arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the
player may be fairly charged by an opponent.

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2012, 11:12:11 AM »
Is this the law under discussion?
 [ Cut and pasted from fifa.com]

 If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.

Does this mean he can be fairly "Shoulder charged"? ( A legal tackle that most Referees now seem to treat as a foul!!)

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Re: When is a foul not a foul
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2012, 09:18:00 PM »
Is this the law under discussion?
 [ Cut and pasted from fifa.com]

 If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.

Does this mean he can be fairly "Shoulder charged"? ( A legal tackle that most Referees now seem to treat as a foul!!)

That seems to be forgotten in favour of the new unwritten "The was contact" nonsense.
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