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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 13, 2017, 09:52:09 PM »

There has never been the mandate for the so called "hard brexit". Many who voted were led to believe they were getting all the benefits of a soft brexit with none of the pitfalls of hard brexit. The elephant in the room is that it simply can't be delivered in the form in which it was sold. A hard brexit will undoubtably lead to economic hardship, whilst a soft brexit will leave many feeling cheated. 

Either way I stand by my original statement that by voting out, we will end up in a significantly weaker position whichever path we take - "hard" or "soft".  I respect the result of the referendum, however dubious I considered the result, being based on a campaign of wilful misinformation. However, I think it would do those in power (and those who voted leave) good to remember that 48% of the population voted remain.  We may begrudgingly accept the result, but that does not give consent to the ultra brexiteers to pursue their extreme version of Brexit.  It is the job of the government to recognise the wishes of ALL its subjects and govern accordingly.

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The B-Ark / Re: Prediction League extra - Warman v Nuttall

« on: June 03, 2017, 09:41:41 PM »

My latest straw poll shows Matty's lead has evaporated

I assume for UKIP? Do you think Warman stands a genuine chance of losing in Boston?

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The B-Ark / Re: Prediction League extra - Warman v Nuttall

« on: May 07, 2017, 08:14:16 PM »

I genuinely don't think Nuttall would make a good MP for Boston. He's clearly got his own agenda and sees being elected in Boston as an opportunity to further that, as opposed to having any real interest in the town.  It only takes a cursory google search to discover that the man is a scheister who will say almost anything to further his goals.  However, If anyone should be able to recognise these traits I would think it would be the people on this forum.

All that being said, the same is true of many politicians.  I tend to sympathise with Lonegunmans sentiments, although I'm not so cynical to extend that to all individuals who enter politics. Personally I think the only option open is to ignore the press and pundits and apply critical thinking to all the candidates, partys and policies.

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The B-Ark / Re: Prediction League extra - Warman v Nuttall

« on: April 29, 2017, 02:30:32 PM »

The guy is an self serving embarrassment to politics and the ultimate career politician. I hope the good people of Boston send him packing and he falls into political oblivion.

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The B-Ark / Re: Brodie against

« on: February 15, 2017, 12:47:03 PM »

In my humble opinion it was absolutely the right decision to take a punt on him.  The guy clearly has talent as his previous record shows, along with the big fee's paid for his services in the past. At 29, I think most people would think he still has time to prove it.  For whatever reason though, his career has gone off the rails in recent years.  There are numerous examples in the past of players not performing who have come to a new club and given themselves a new lease of life.  Conversely there are plenty for whom it hasn't worked out and they've nose dived into oblivion.  I personally see Brodie as falling sadly into the latter case, a player with bags of potential when he was younger, but now tragically unable to cut it in the Conference North.

It hasn't worked out and the manager has acted decisively for which he deserves credit.  However, with all that previous potential I don't think you could blame AM for taking a punt on him in the hope of him rediscovering some of his past form.  And for what it's worth, just because Colin Davy has been proven right in this case, it doesn't make him correct in judging a player based on watching him for 45 minutes!

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The B-Ark / Re: Game off

« on: January 15, 2017, 09:45:58 AM »

On reaching the ground heard exactly the same regarding Chorley not being up for it. If this is true, totally unacceptable. From what I understand all local fixtures in the Boston and District Saturday league also went ahead.

http://full-time.thefa.com/ProcessPublicSelect.do?psSelectedSeason=374781993&psSelectedDivision=837516565&psSelectedCompetition=0&psSelectedLeague=3892979

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 29, 2016, 12:58:12 PM »

As I have pointed before, long term inward investment is the big worry. This article discusses the Nissain plant in Sunderland which I mentioned in a previous post. Working in this industry I know how competitive investment in the manufacturing sector is. Many large multinationals would be only to happy to move their manufacturing facilities into other low wage areas within the EU in the long term. It can be a real battle to get them to invest in the UK sometimes.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/900d015a-3ba2-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a.html#axzz4Cy6ARVec

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 29, 2016, 12:30:08 PM »

If we settle for a Norway style deal, then we have wasted our time. That's just a begging bowl. If we are serious we must stand on our own feet. That may be tough for a while , but it will not be the first time that we have stood alone and taken it on the chin. Or maybe the present generation is not made of what it takes.

Speaking as a relatively young person, I find your comment a little bit offensive.  It’s not some re-run of the battle of Britain, it’s my life.  I’ve got a large mortgage, bills to pay and kids to feed.  For me the economic arguments are/were the key things to consider.  In my industry, we deal with the common market on a daily basis.  I haven’t worked anywhere where we don’t do regular business with companies that operate within the EU.  So I can see a direct threat to my career prospects and my industry in leaving.  I have worked for very big companies, but for the most part I’ve worked in small to medium firms where the impact will be significant. 

My line on this has been consistent throughout the pages of this thread.  I have been happy to acknowledge that leaving could be a huge success, however, it is risky and a jump into the dark.  It’s undoubtedly going to cause massive upheaval and as pointed out by others, new trade deals will take many years to negotiate.  The world economy is still fragile, we are essentially going through an economic depression.  For me the risks of another recession are too great and I think the potential threats of financial hardship outweigh the as yet unspecified benefits.

You have mentioned that you are retired, therefore your circumstances are completely different to mine.  For instance I assume you won’t be worried about paying the mortgage or losing your job and don’t have young children who are dependent on you. To try and compare this to the sacrifices made by my grandfather’s generation is both pointless and unfair.  We are facing a completely different set of circumstances and certainly not facing an existential threat by remaining.

The negotiations we are now seeing and the different options we are faced with should come as absolutely no surprise to anyone.  Countless posts on this very thread from myself and others pointed out the only realistic options open to us if we voted leave and so it has been proven.  You were always going to be sold down the river by the politicians, because they campaigned on promises that were unrealistic and the consequences were completely predictable. There was no clear plan spelled out by the leave side and it is now obvious that is because they never had one.

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 27, 2016, 11:31:27 PM »

I suppose all the remain voters  who have been posting on here will want a rerun of the England Iceland match now as its not gone how they want it to finish.

Obviously! The British people were completely misled about the quality of our team! It's a disgrace! And it's obviously the fault of Corbyn as he didn't campaign hard enough for a England win.

(Jokes)

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 27, 2016, 04:43:12 PM »

I've just thought of something else from the era of television expansion in the sixties, and the prophetic words of Millicent Martin:

That was the week that was. It's over. Let it go!

The trouble is, it's precient because these people are now in charge.

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 27, 2016, 03:55:31 PM »

The 30's were going so well that they decided to have a world war and spent the next 20 years rebuilding everything!

In 2016  a civil war commenced on Pilgrim Patter based on lies by politicians and speculation from "experts "

Why do you keep putting experts in inverted commas? I know the answer of course, it's an attempt to try and belittle anyone who's studied the facts and produces an opinion that differs from your own. It's a bit silly isn't it?

Not silly , have experienced like many the advice of people who,s studied the facts ,  often results in disaster .       Wise not to rely too much on these experts .   weather you are  an IN or OUTER  .

This is about the daftest comment I've seen on this thread yet and that's saying something! Then again, like your messiah Farage said the other day, "I think the experts have got it wrong on smoking". 

Now that is silly Max , can you name an expert who never got it wrong ?   Then again you appear vulnerable to incorrect assertions .   Voted tory more times than you ,  never voted labour and looks as though I ever will .

On this thread I have panned leaders of all political parties , and all Brexit and Withdraw  teams front lines .
Farage , Camerron , Corbyn ,Boris, IDS etc  ,  men with little more integrity than the gravy train mob at Brussels .
I,ve had enough of EU vote today ,  spent morning playing golf with a former senior union official sulking at the outcome .
Then in the car park was confronted by a none British golfer rejoicing in the outcome .
Sorry everyone can,t be pleased .
Tell you the same as I told the golfer maybe you side came second because they were beaten by slightly better liar,s .
Got to live with it and get on with our lives ,  Provided pay is cut or pegged at the present level every thing will turn out fine .  Dare,nt tell my ex-union colleague that !!!

I think I made it clear that all experts are fallible, of course they are. However, you can't just dismiss them simply for being "experts". Working on that assumption we may as well do everything off the hoof. If you feel an expert has said something which is incorrect or disingenuous, simply provide a credible explanation as to why. You can't very well scold me though for claiming I said all experts are infallible when you are claiming the opposite!

When it comes to being vulnerable to incorrect assertions, all I'd say is take a look at those who led the leave campaign tripping over each other to disown all the claims they made pre referendum. Leave voters bought all that hook line and sinker.  Don't you feel just a little bit angry about that?

I'm glad you enjoyed your game of golf, but you don't need to worry, I've accepted the result. I just think it's important to hold these politicians to account and point out that they lied to us all. That's now very obvious, along with the fact that they never had a plan.

I stated both sides were liars Max , I think your right many voters fell for these lies .   But I would not make the assertion that one side gained more votes than the other this way , I would hope these votes where evenly spread .Shame there was not a more emphatic outcome ,
 near enough  a 0-0 draw but no shoot-outs in this game .

I certainly take your point, there was stuff that the remain side said that I didn't think was credible either.  That's why I stopped listening to politicians. But there were credible sources of info out there (some may call them "experts") who were providing information which has since proven to be correct.

I think it's a dangerous step for society if we simply dismiss all expert opinion. That leaves us in the hands of the demogogues. For me, that was what was most concerning about the leave campaign. They realised early on that normal rational debate wasn't cutting it, so they simply pumped out a load of completely false claims and tapped into primal fears. I think we really should hold anyone proven to have done that to account. I welcome welcome anyone providing evidence of that from the remain side too. George Osbornes emergency budget was a good example of that.

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 27, 2016, 03:24:38 PM »

The 30's were going so well that they decided to have a world war and spent the next 20 years rebuilding everything!

In 2016  a civil war commenced on Pilgrim Patter based on lies by politicians and speculation from "experts "

Why do you keep putting experts in inverted commas? I know the answer of course, it's an attempt to try and belittle anyone who's studied the facts and produces an opinion that differs from your own. It's a bit silly isn't it?

Not silly , have experienced like many the advice of people who,s studied the facts ,  often results in disaster .       Wise not to rely too much on these experts .   weather you are  an IN or OUTER  .

This is about the daftest comment I've seen on this thread yet and that's saying something! Then again, like your messiah Farage said the other day, "I think the experts have got it wrong on smoking". 

Now that is silly Max , can you name an expert who never got it wrong ?   Then again you appear vulnerable to incorrect assertions .   Voted tory more times than you ,  never voted labour and looks as though I ever will .

On this thread I have panned leaders of all political parties , and all Brexit and Withdraw  teams front lines .
Farage , Camerron , Corbyn ,Boris, IDS etc  ,  men with little more integrity than the gravy train mob at Brussels .
I,ve had enough of EU vote today ,  spent morning playing golf with a former senior union official sulking at the outcome .
Then in the car park was confronted by a none British golfer rejoicing in the outcome .
Sorry everyone can,t be pleased .
Tell you the same as I told the golfer maybe you side came second because they were beaten by slightly better liar,s .
Got to live with it and get on with our lives ,  Provided pay is cut or pegged at the present level every thing will turn out fine .  Dare,nt tell my ex-union colleague that !!!

I think I made it clear that all experts are fallible, of course they are. However, you can't just dismiss them simply for being "experts". Working on that assumption we may as well do everything off the hoof. If you feel an expert has said something which is incorrect or disingenuous, simply provide a credible explanation as to why. You can't very well scold me though for claiming I said all experts are infallible when you are claiming the opposite!

When it comes to being vulnerable to incorrect assertions, all I'd say is take a look at those who led the leave campaign tripping over each other to disown all the claims they made pre referendum. Leave voters bought all that hook line and sinker.  Don't you feel just a little bit angry about that?

I'm glad you enjoyed your game of golf, but you don't need to worry, I've accepted the result. I just think it's important to hold these politicians to account and point out that they lied to us all. That's now very obvious, along with the fact that they never had a plan. 

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 27, 2016, 01:39:09 PM »

I well remember 50 years ago when I was working for the Ministry of Defence and had a very little part in the development of the multi role combat aircraft, later known as the Tornado. That was a combined British, German and Italian project with co-operation which worked before we had any formal link with Europe. There was also the Jaguar and the civil Concorde in co-operation with the French. We had trade deals with the commonwealth and it was a good time to be British. Mary Quant, Twiggy and The Beatles to name but a few were promoting Britain in the United States and apart from the destruction of the grammar school system it was a good time. The problems with such things as the three day week in the early seventies were predominantly the result of political intransigence. During that period, international stability was thanks to NATO, although the Vietnam situation is a major regret. Fortunately, we elected to take no part in that fiasco. We had significant trade in cattle, importing from Argentina and Exporting to the European Continent. Anyone remember Franz Buitelaar? He exported £1 million worth of cattle every day. Finally the seventies were great for me when my wife presented me two wonderful and successful children.

Since that period, we have gradually become more introverted and uncertain of our place in the World. Maybe we will now redefine ourselves and I am optimistic that my future, what little there may be left to me, is brighter than for many years.

That's interesting Fairfax, there are parallels between us. I worked and played a small part on the Joint Strike Fighter project working for the US Government at RR in Bristol and also have a happy family with two children. Many of those I worked with had worked on the Concorde and Tornado projects.

You must surely concede though, that the world has changed an awful lot since the 60's? We were riding the wave of a post war reconstruction boom back then. We were also in the process of transition from a superpower and rulers of an Empire back to a nation state and still retained plenty of power and influence at that point. The Suez crisis however, in 1956 laid bare the fact that we were no longer a great power.  Unless you are suggesting that the Royal Navy mount some new expeditions to rebuild an empire, those days are over.

I'm proud to be British and we are great at so many things, but we have to work cleverly within our limitations if we are going to continue to be an influence globally. Within the EU we had a leading role, are we going to have that kind of influence over say the Americans or Chinese?

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 27, 2016, 12:30:52 PM »

I'm not saying experts are infallible, but does that mean we should ignore all experts? Everyday your very existence relys on experts relying on facts. It why planes fly, cars stop when you touch the brakes and bridges don't normally collapse when you drive over them. You can't just dismiss all experts based on the fact you've had a few bad experiences! If you disagree with something an expert has said, challenge it directly and prove why they are wrong. That goes on in the academic world every single day, trust me.

I can't really believe we are having this conversation. It's surreal.

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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out

« on: June 27, 2016, 12:24:02 PM »

The 30's were going so well that they decided to have a world war and spent the next 20 years rebuilding everything!

In 2016  a civil war commenced on Pilgrim Patter based on lies by politicians and speculation from "experts "

Why do you keep putting experts in inverted commas? I know the answer of course, it's an attempt to try and belittle anyone who's studied the facts and produces an opinion that differs from your own. It's a bit silly isn't it?

Not silly , have experienced like many the advice of people who,s studied the facts ,  often results in disaster .       Wise not to rely too much on these experts .   weather you are  an IN or OUTER  .

This is about the daftest comment I've seen on this thread yet and that's saying something! Then again, like your messiah Farage said the other day, "I think the experts have got it wrong on smoking".