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The B-Ark / Re: O/T In or out
« on: June 11, 2016, 12:19:46 PM »
very good.
I am very pleased we are all in it TOGETHER.
I am very pleased we are all in it TOGETHER.
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Italy is sitting on a 1.3trillion Euro debt apparently, more than the debt that triggered the credit crisis, Portugal France and Spain are not too healthy either
Economically, what Cameron and Osborne are trying to persuade us to do is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. We need to take the nearest lifeboat, raise the Union Jack, and start rowing!
The comments by Dyson in the Independent today are very informative regarding trade after a Brexit 8)
That is a long time.
If we look at the UK population of 64 million, and say 50% are tax payers I think that 1.4 million works out at 45p each.
maths is great
"The point is that if we don't take back control of our borders and control the numbers entering our country our services will soon be at breaking point."
As I have already stated, we can't 'take control of our borders' unless we also depart the EEA. Freedom of a movement is requirement of membership of the EEA and there is no way the United Kingdom will be granted an exemption. Everyone on the Leave side seems to have forgotten about it and believe we can shut the door once we've departed the EU. This is absolutely not the case.
So unless Leave want us to also quit the EEA - which would be absolutely catastrophic for our economy - we will have no more control of our borders outside of the EU than we do now.
Getting very dirty, better than Eastenders.
The leave vote are leading on three polls, you will now see the dirty tricks.
Sarah Wollaston, leaves Brexit stating that £350 million per week going towards NHS is untrue.
Have I missed something? I thought Brexit claimed that £350 per week paid to the EU could go towards the NHS, not would.
Also £350 million is not the net figure, which is lower than the figure shown.
Can someone show the true figure Britain pays?
Claims and counter claims, no wonder the don't knows are confused.
Sarah Wollaston is the first of the stool pigeons to break cover
There will probably be a few more before the big day :dan
I think it,s well established now that both sides are a pack of liars , all we,ve got to do now is decide which mob to vote for .
I'm not really sure what you are trying to insinuate. I assume you think it is a pro remain ploy to register more young voters who will inevitably vote in?
If so, I think you are wrong. Firstly I think it's a misconception (and frankly patronising) to think that all young voters will blindly vote remain. I have many young friends who I have debated who would like to leave. Secondly, if your goal is only to win, then you can view this as a conspiracy. However, if your goal is to make sure that anyone who wants to vote can vote, then surely it can only be seen as a positive? This is a huge decision for the country and I personally think that vote should be as democratic as possible. We don't want any vote questioned afterwards by people saying they couldn't vote.
I don't know if any of you have seen this already, but it is a good balanced piece on the EU by Martin Lewis (money saving expert)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/money-saving-expert-martin-lewis-8121255
The truth is we are little more than an onlooker anyway.
We have not embraced fully the concept of an united Europe.
We are about the only country in the EU where we have to show a passport( I am in agreement with this )
We are not a part of the Euro ( I am in agreement with this )
We are on the outside looking in on an exclusive club.
On most votes we only have the power of veto.
A bit like the Eurovision song contest
Let's get out and be done with it, and be in control of our own future. Even if it is with Dodgey Dave or Corbyn the red.
The problem is, we can't be "out and done with it" because lots of our trade is inextricably linked with the EU in both directions. Like it or not, we will still have to trade within the common market and we will still be subjected to EU regulations. To go a little further, I can't image the EU will want to show us to be doing better for leaving so they will no doubt drive a hard bargain if we wish to continue trading with them to disuade any other nations doing the same thing. They will do this because the very existence of the EU depends on it. As it stands, as you pointed out, we have a veto. We won't have that if we leave.
Lady Gaga, I applaud you as I do all other NHS workers who are doing an incredible job in extremely challenging circumstances. I think the cat is out of the bag now that the market deregulation begun in the late 70's has been vastly damaging and caused massive inequality. With regards the US, a friend of mine suffered a punctured lung when a local nut stabbed him. He was in hospital for 4 days during a visit over there and was slapped with a bill of £$23,000 which his insurance company refused to pay out on. At one point they took his passport and said he wouldn't get it back unless he paid up!