Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Worsley Pilgrim on October 16, 2021, 10:22:17 PM
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So I take it by the lack of reaction you guys are as fed up as I was witnessing that mess of a game ?
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It wasn’t great admittedly, but at least we’re in the hat tomorrow and we have a chance to make amends on Tuesday. I think credit should be given to the opposition. They came with a plan, they stuck to it and as a result they got something out of it.
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I'm confused how anybody can argue Wright's red card. I saw both incidents and can't complain about either. Could make an argument that at least one of their players should have seen some sort of card but that doesn't detract from how idiotically stupid Wright was.
I honestly can't think of any sustained benefit he brings to the team other than s***housing refereeing decisions like the penalty against Telford.
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First half we were passing it backwards and forwards in our own half. I understand we were trying to get them to come out, trouble was we kept giving possession away.
Second half we were much better, if it wasn't for their big defenders I'm certain we would have scored.
Like others around me saying it was definitely a sending off, I really expected a straight red.
Another game we really didn't need but who knows what will happened Tuesday night.
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Undoubtedly Jake Wright is a very talented player but his fiery nature is his (and the teams) undoing. I think that’s why he hasn’t been given a start apart from this Saturday. Give him a start and he’s unlikely to last the game. Give him 15 to 20 minutes at the end of a game and he can make an impact with the possibility of just a yellow card.
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I console myself with the thought that surely Boston can't be as bad next time.
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Undoubtedly Jake Wright is a very talented player but his fiery nature is his (and the teams) undoing. I think that’s why he hasn’t been given a start apart from this Saturday. Give him a start and he’s unlikely to last the game. Give him 15 to 20 minutes at the end of a game and he can make an impact with the possibility of just a yellow card.
But he wasn't given a start. He came on in the 2nd half.
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Apologies. Even 45 mins too long. Should be limited to 15-20 mins max
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Jake right makes a massive impact when he comes on. The game changed yesterday once he came on. same as the several matches this season, but i guess some people will only ever see what they want to see longs it means they have something to pine and moan about. Jake is that wind up player every team needs when you need someone to do the dirty business. And yes sometimes he goes a bit far like yesterday and gets a red but take that away from him do you have the same player left. When he got the red yesterday it was a blow as at that time he looked the most likely person to score. Never doubt the red but where is the level playing field. One player has is foot in his chest the other with his hands round his neck both straight reds. Keeper starts to get up for a fight then see play as stopped so he dive back down and rolls around. My Brother in law hates football as he says its the only game they teach you to cheat and TBF on yesterdays match he has a big point
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I'm not saying he didn't make a difference because he did, and he sure as hell did when he got sent off.
Who's to say bringing on Burrow or Preston wouldn't have changed the game? My guess is it would have, because they clearly set up man marking each midfielder so taking one off and putting a striker on was bound to change it.
I wouldn't play him again after that, he knew full well what he was doing and we can complain about the lack of cards for their players but he played that risky game and at the end of the day let the team down. Indefensible.
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I'm Yet to see Burrow Make any sort of impact the way Jake does. to look at what a player does we have to look past goal scoring and look at other things. I.E. Jake as a good ability of holding the ball up better than most. Something that can win games. He can wind up players and get there heads in a mess, something else that can win games. He drives a players.
I never get some fans. They shout for us to get into players and when they do they moan when it goes wrong.
If you would not play a player Because he got a bit rash then most teams would not be able to field a 5 a side let alone 11
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I'm just worried now. a) we are not that good away from home this season (albeit some tough sides so far in league) b) Stratford website encouraging the whole town to turn up as "the biggest game in their entire history" - bacl to 1946 c) it's not going to be easy for too many away fans to get to (maybe on this last point I'm just reflecting that by train I need to leave London at 1637 and would then get back to Paddington at 0608 via overnight trains through Banbury, Oxford and Reading).
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When Burrow came on yesterday he won headers and held the ball up without getting sent off (or picking up a yellow for that matter). I'm not denying that Wright doesn't try to get into opposition players heads, but he often goes too far and gets himself in trouble.
I would rather have a player on the pitch who isn't at risk of picking up a yellow card for doing some completely indefensible, which he did yesterday (twice!).
I'm sorry but I wouldn't call what he did 'a bit rash'. He left his foot in on the player once the ball had already gone and then left both feet in on the keeper in an attempt to get one of their players sent off. Look how that turned out.
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I have waited until today to post. I came away from the game yesterday blood boiling.
First things first. The officials were worse than bad. I have no complaints with the Wright sending off. When I saw him start the second half, I said he would not last the game out. His mouth gets him in trouble. No excuse for that. The referee should have given out more cards in the Wright incident. I was surprised no reds were given. Jake Wright's card was another yellow. So he got booked for something else ( gobbing off maybe? ) Violent conduct is a straight red. I saw plenty of violent conduct in the incident, a lot from their players, but no more cards. The disallowed goal from Preston was another incident. It was one of the best goals I have seen down the new ground. Beating several players and planting the ball in the onion sack. Only for it to be ruled out because Green was in an offside position. If that had counted I think we would have gone on to win the game.
The tactics we employed left me scratching my head. Tap tap football ( have they been watching England ? ) Passing the ball across the back, getting to the halfway line and doing it all again. Our best full backs were left on the bench. We gave them no respect. It was as if we had a given right to be in the next round. This is supposed to be the best squad we have assembled, they have to improve a lot to convince me.
Also, who's the guy kicking off in the bench area? He wore a green shirt. I thought it was coming to blows. I think he is one of our many coaches.
A big crowd yesterday, how many will not be returning?
End of rant.
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Winner on Tuesday evening are home to Shrewsbury in Round 1
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Could have killed em off early but after the disallowed (Preston)goal it gave stratford confidence I reckon. Anyhow clean sheet for Tuesday and a hell of a incentive to turn up muck in and get through to round one. Good luck dudes - whoever wants it more will progress
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I console myself with the thought that surely Boston can't be as bad next time.
I'm not sure with this man in charge, he has an unerring ability to set new low water marks with away performances just lately. Regardless of the replay result he has to go sooner rather than later or this landmark season will drift into mid table mediocrity and the new support will be lost as interest wanes.
I think that was Stratford's very best though and our very worst, I'm really hoping I'm proved correct tomorrow night.
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I can't make any defence of Jake Wright. I like him as a player, and he seems an engaging character off the field, but there can be no defence of his inability to stay on the pitch, or at least not get booked, within minutes of coming on. It's no defence to say that he gets in the opposition's faces and may sometimes go too far. There are plenty of players who manage to wind up the opposition without getting booked and/or sent off regularly. He let his team down and someone needs to get a grip on him (best, of course, if he can do it himself).
I was also dispirited by our tactics. This unproductive and desperately predictable passing across the field all the time played into Stratford's hands. Fair play to them, they came with a plan but we made it so easy for them to get behind the ball and in position whilst we passed it about getting absolutely nowhere. Sitting where I do, there seemed to be no urging from the dugout to move it around quicker. The glimmer of hope was Preston. The moment he got the ball the play immediately speeded up and we looked dangerous. Everything else was far too slow. And why do central defenders pass the ball to someone being closely marked when they have acres of room to push forward? When the other Jake Wright started moving forward more in the second half it unsettled Stratford and opened up space (think what players like Alan Hansen used to do). But not often enough, needless to say.
I'm probably in a minority who didn't think the ref had a bad game. If I understood him from my position, he told Elliott that the 'goal' was disallowed because it went through the Boston player's legs who was presumably offside. If that was the case, then he was right to disallow it.
Anyway, let's hope they can put on a decent performance tomorrow evening. UTP!
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looking at the highlights there is a good angle/replay of the sending off incident (715) I cant see whether jake lashed out with his leg or not at the keeper but there didnt look a lot in it - he also didnt seem to react when 3 stratford players came flying in at him and the keeper seeed to go down 'fairly easily'....
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I take my earlier comment about not defending Jakes Red Card. After doing it frame by frame its clear the only movement from jakes leg was when the keeper moved his from under Jakes. They should have had at least 1 red and a yellow. also a penalty should have been given for the way Jake was poll axed
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I take my earlier comment about not defending Jakes Red Card. After doing it frame by frame its clear the only movement from jakes leg was when the keeper moved his from under Jakes. They should have had at least 1 red and a yellow. also a penalty should have been given for the way Jake was poll axed
We both had a great angle from the terrace - he definitely kicked out, deserved at least a 2nd yellow. However the Stratford number 5 should've walked too, for pinning Wright down by his neck. Their number 6 and the keeper don't come out of it well either.
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Jake Wright definitely did enough to warrant a yellow card as a minimum. Yes the lack of any card for them doesn't reflect well on the officials, but I'm assuming that it's the assistant on that side, rather than the referee, who impacted on those decisions.
End of the day, Wright did something idiotic, got caught out and let the team down. Can't defend him.
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I take my earlier comment about not defending Jakes Red Card. After doing it frame by frame its clear the only movement from jakes leg was when the keeper moved his from under Jakes. They should have had at least 1 red and a yellow. also a penalty should have been given for the way Jake was poll axed
We both had a great angle from the terrace - he definitely kicked out, deserved at least a 2nd yellow. However the Stratford number 5 should've walked too, for pinning Wright down by his neck. Their number 6 and the keeper don't come out of it well either.
We did. i was directly behind it and a first it looked as if he had but breaking it right down into segments the only movement from jakes feet is from the fall all movement was natural. Then there was movement coursed by there keeper pulling clear from the tangle there legs was in. The tangle was also coursed by there keeper as he put is knee in when getting up. At that point Jake pulled his feet away. There no offence that i can see and even Trever who came with me who is a ref himself could not understand how Jake got a yellow (2nd)
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I'm just worried now. a) we are not that good away from home this season (albeit some tough sides so far in league) b) Stratford website encouraging the whole town to turn up as "the biggest game in their entire history" - bacl to 1946 c) it's not going to be easy for too many away fans to get to (maybe on this last point I'm just reflecting that by train I need to leave London at 1637 and would then get back to Paddington at 0608 via overnight trains through Banbury, Oxford and Reading).
I'll be driving to London after the game so could give you a lift if you like? I'm planning to drive to Stanmore as I need to be in London for work on Wed and it's an easier drive back to Lincs from there Wed evening rather than driving into central so if that works happy for you to jump in with me after the game?
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wright jnr starts tonight, how long will he last on the pitch, surely their players are going to wind him up.
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Aye, but Jake has something to prove!!!
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Aye, but Jake has something to prove!!!
He'll soon have to start proving it we are losing 1-0 already!
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Aye, but Jake has something to prove!!!
He'll soon have to start proving it we are losing 1-0 already!
make that 2-0
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2-1, Leesley. Wright just been subbed off, didn't prove much. Makes you wonder.
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When Burrow came on yesterday he won headers and held the ball up...
2-2 Burrow Header
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3-2 >:(
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One word sums it up - EMBARRASSING! :-[
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What a joke , we’ve gone backwards as a team , enough now Elliot out 😡
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Beaten by a team playing for expenses. If CE says, "the lads are hurting", I think he's deluded. I've come to the conclusion, reluctantly, that a managerial change is needed. I am so fed up right now.
Congratulations Stratford.
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Until Elliott goes my money stays in my pocket, he's the sole reason I didn't get a season ticket, I'm fed up of his aimless long ball nonsense and pathetic soundbite excuses. He doesn't 'learn lessons' from defeats, if the players are 'hurting' after a game its obviously not enough because we keep losing games like this and Gateshead & Leamington that we should be getting something out of. This season's draw handed us a dream route to round 1 and he's managed to muck that up, costing the club tens of thousands in lost revenue and potential TV money. David has backed him amazingly well, probably more so than any other manager in his time here and thats the thanks he gets, a spinless display against a team playing for a bit more than expenses in a ground no better or worse than Tattershall Road.
As poor a manager as we've ever had, he learns nothing from games and continues to make the same basic mistakes game in and game out with a turnover of players even Evans would find excessive. Aided and abetted by a backroom staff who's sole role is to swear at players and officials and make no constructive input. I'm sick of them, they should have gone after the Altrincham disgrace and I hope the next press release from the club announces the departure of this clueless bunch of Yorkshire League chancers.
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In years gone by I would have never missed a game like last night but I just knew it wouldn’t end well. Elliotts away game ethos to me seems to be stay in games as long as possible and settle for a draw if we can’t pinch a goal. It’s soul destroying, I don’t like naming players but our midfield has no creativity, Danny Elliott is one of the fastest strikers in the league but we don’t use that pace. I’m not convinced with either keeper, we seriously lack pace in central defence and apart from Leesly we are so narrow that teams can pack the centre of the field and cut off any supply to the strikers. We all see this but the manager is devoid of any idea how to then break down teams. People will say we are close to the playoffs, we are but we should be challenging for top 3 finish with an outside chance of winning the league. That will not happen with Elliott, it’s getting worse not better and that’s possibly in the region of £100,000 lost, I’m sure the board aren’t happy. I don’t know the cost of releasing people from contracts and i really don’t like people losing their jobs but myself and a few others that go have had enough of the on pitch drivel. I will be saving a few quid come the cold months if there isn’t a change.
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I went last night. Got to bed at 1.15 still wet still cold. The best team won. It was an old fashioned cup tie. They were up for it and good luck to them. Their passing was quicker and slicker and used their pacy wingers well.
We huffed and we puffed and lacked any pace. They won every 50/50 ball, every header and looked like scoring every time they were in our half. They used dirty tricks ( switching off the floodlights as Elliott shot ) and going down to time waste at every opportunity. They looked the professional team, and did a right job on us. These are not excuses, they deserved their win.
The board did not look happy at the final whistle. I would expect CE will be getting a phone call off DN today. What will be said I have no idea, but CE is a man under huge pressure.
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The ball had long since hit the post by the time the lights went out! Highly doubt that was a "dirty trick".
Aside from that, not much to disagree with. The best team won, which is galling given the backing Craig's had and the squad we've assembled. I'd expect he'll be given time to sort it out and turn it around - how long, though, is anyone's guess. Patience is certainly wearing thin.
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The ball had long since hit the post by the time the lights went out! Highly doubt that was a "dirty trick".
You are too trusting Pete. The reason given for the lights going out was........ ........they mistakenly turned off the floodlights instead of the stand lights. An easy mistake to make, it happens all the time ??? ???
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Aside from that, not much to disagree with. The best team won, which is galling given the backing Craig's had and the squad we've assembled. I'd expect he'll be given time to sort it out and turn it around - how long, though, is anyone's guess. Patience is certainly wearing thin.
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Until Elliott goes my money stays in my pocket, he's the sole reason I didn't get a season ticket, I'm fed up of his aimless long ball nonsense and pathetic soundbite excuses. He doesn't 'learn lessons' from defeats, if the players are 'hurting' after a game its obviously not enough because we keep losing games like this and Gateshead & Leamington that we should be getting something out of. This season's draw handed us a dream route to round 1 and he's managed to muck that up, costing the club tens of thousands in lost revenue and potential TV money. David has backed him amazingly well, probably more so than any other manager in his time here and thats the thanks he gets, a spinless display against a team playing for a bit more than expenses in a ground no better or worse than Tattershall Road.
As poor a manager as we've ever had, he learns nothing from games and continues to make the same basic mistakes game in and game out with a turnover of players even Evans would find excessive. Aided and abetted by a backroom staff who's sole role is to swear at players and officials and make no constructive input. I'm sick of them, they should have gone after the Altrincham disgrace and I hope the next press release from the club announces the departure of this clueless bunch of Yorkshire League chancers.
Have to agree with Andy. CE has had a long run with many chances to achieve....well, something. However, for BUFC it is the same old, same old. Time for someone else to have a go - BUFC have nothing to lose.
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I went last night. Got to bed at 1.15 still wet still cold. The best team won. It was an old fashioned cup tie. They were up for it and good luck to them. Their passing was quicker and slicker and used their pacy wingers well.
We huffed and we puffed and lacked any pace. They won every 50/50 ball, every header and looked like scoring every time they were in our half. They used dirty tricks ( switching off the floodlights as Elliott shot ) and going down to time waste at every opportunity. They looked the professional team, and did a right job on us. These are not excuses, they deserved their win.
The board did not look happy at the final whistle. I would expect CE will be getting a phone call off DN today. What will be said I have no idea, but CE is a man under huge pressure.
Dirty tricks or professionalism? Game delayed against Shrewsbury due to a problem with the nets.