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Title: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Dipdodah on October 04, 2021, 01:21:33 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1303908453393771&set=gm.1972968232861014&__cft__[0]=AZXHmdEYP3yC4lPOLuSXquGsEfZbKbyJRPyIsAI7hNH4xPuXVJdyolhNM-q-NpA1hLCJahIL1jop75yHOHTFuLuAoNtl3EYfaJnJ4S14SiMOG42A4mZxwsjQrmuqZ9UpbbJV7zYLG4mJnTXUzEYfjmpFK35ZNFn40rzLGSju5zLr0bFlsw1G78Yj2yqcrZFIZek&__tn__=EH-R

I hope I have the link .
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on October 04, 2021, 01:31:03 PM
They've certainly brought dishonour onto the club. Thanoj, if he's allowed to stay, won't be any use this season. I wonder if getting Spokes was in anticipation of this. And there are rumours of a winger coming in. Did anyone see Thanoj or Rollins at the ground on Saturday, a game I had to miss? I don't recall seeing them v Guiseley.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on October 04, 2021, 01:43:49 PM
On the FA website it appears that Rollins was charged with placing more bets than Thanoj, yet he gets one month and Thanoj gets five. I presume the verdict must have something to do with the type of bets, not that I know anything about it!
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on October 04, 2021, 01:45:06 PM
https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/oct/04/fa-charges---september-2021-041021
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 04, 2021, 03:25:49 PM
On the FA website it appears that Rollins was charged with placing more bets than Thanoj, yet he gets one month and Thanoj gets five. I presume the verdict must have something to do with the type of bets, not that I know anything about it!

I imagine they'd see betting on matches you play in (or your club is involved in) as worse. Not saying this is the case here, but it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on October 04, 2021, 03:37:15 PM
That did occur to me.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: York Street Pilgrim on October 05, 2021, 07:03:37 AM
Terry Hawkridge also listed on that FA page in relation to betting. No longer our player, but would have been with us at the time the bets were placed.

Wasn't Dimaio named originally as well?
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 05, 2021, 11:47:25 AM
Hawkridge and Dimaio both mentioned in Duncan's article here.

https://www.lincolnshireworld.com/sport/football/they-know-the-rules-craig-elliott-hopes-bans-dished-out-to-boston-uniteds-andi-thanoj-and-jay-rollins-serve-as-a-warning-to-others-but-calls-on-inconsistencies-in-football-gambling-to-be-stamped-out-3407502
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Swineshead Pilgrim on October 05, 2021, 01:53:40 PM
Terry Hawkridge also listed on that FA page in relation to betting. No longer our player, but would have been with us at the time the bets were placed.

Wasn't Dimaio named originally as well?

Terry's bets were before his time with us, as were Conor's and probably most of Andi's. Seems very odd that 4 players on our books get shopped at the same time while all quiet at other clubs... we can't be the only club who has players who broke the rules!
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Mad Dog on October 05, 2021, 01:58:08 PM
I feel the same, Swineshead Pilgrim, have we been targeted?
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Ernie100 on October 05, 2021, 02:58:02 PM
I feel the same, Swineshead Pilgrim, have we been targeted?
Ofcourse we have - give a dog a bad name!  Obviously we are still suffering from the fat fraud's era.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: York Street Pilgrim on October 05, 2021, 09:30:13 PM
Willie Gamble?

Apparently, yes he will.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on October 05, 2021, 10:03:20 PM
Targeted or not, I do wonder what some footballers have between their ears.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Swineshead Pilgrim on October 06, 2021, 10:12:03 AM
I feel the same, Swineshead Pilgrim, have we been targeted?

I don't buy into the conspiracy theory stuff. More likely an internal thing - one of them got found out and the rest owned up too, wipe the slate clean.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Dipdodah on October 06, 2021, 04:14:53 PM
I see what you're saying,  but too many things have happened over recent years to be a coincidence.  I love a good conspiracy theory  ;D
I feel the same, Swineshead Pilgrim, have we been targeted?

I don't buy into the conspiracy theory stuff. More likely an internal thing - one of them got found out and the rest owned up too, wipe the slate clean.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pete B on October 06, 2021, 05:41:43 PM
It was an FA crackdown, so we can knock it off with the conspiracy nonsense. Does anyone seriously believe the FA even remotely care about us like that these days? Give over. Probably hardly anyone left from those days.

And as Scotty alludes to, given the length of Andi's ban I suspect he was probably betting on either games he was involved in, or if he wasn't directly involved playing wise, involved in some other way (signed up but injured, but likely to have some kind of insider info). Nothing else explains the disparity in punishment. I guess we'll have to wait for the written reasons to confirm that. Abject stupidity. I bet Elliott's steaming.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 07, 2021, 11:26:06 AM
Bear in mind the wording of the regulations indicate "direct or indirect" betting is not allowed. This is there to stop players getting their family or friends to open accounts in their name, rather than the player's.

The players may have been stupid to set up accounts in their own names and the FA have got together with betting sites to check details of registered players...
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Dipdodah on October 07, 2021, 12:15:57 PM
Bugger,  I love a good conspiracy theory  ;D  my favourite one being the Titanic did not sink. Us flat earthers demand to be believed  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: brummie exile 1960 on October 07, 2021, 01:42:34 PM
Does the club still have to pay Rollins and Thanoj's wages, even though they have been suspended by the FA?
I am curious because when Kay Burley was "suspended" by Sky when she ignored Covid regulations, she was still paid for the full 6 months! Nice work if you can get it.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 07, 2021, 02:28:48 PM
Does the club still have to pay Rollins and Thanoj's wages, even though they have been suspended by the FA?

Depends on the wording of their employment contracts... there might be a normal clause for footballers' contracts noting they won't be paid within any FA bans.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: pieman pete on October 07, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
Of course we won't have to pay them, they are in breach of contract
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 18, 2021, 01:05:03 PM
I found the written reasons over the weekend, not great reading.

I put a summary on Twitter - https://twitter.com/ScottyWalden/status/1449778747901624322

Else the full documents are here:

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/written-reasons

Quickest way to get them is select this season from the drop-down and then hit search and scroll down.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pilgrim86 on December 01, 2021, 01:23:24 PM
Dimaio banned for 6 weeks from November 8th, £500 fine. Bets from 2014-16 whilst at Sheff Utd and Chesterfield.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: wismo on December 01, 2021, 05:57:15 PM
What’s occurring with Thanoj? Is he still at the club?
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Pilgrim86 on December 02, 2021, 09:29:02 AM
What’s occurring with Thanoj? Is he still at the club?

While banned, I don't believe you are allowed to train or be present at matches. It's all a bit quiet....
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Dipdodah on January 06, 2022, 08:08:01 AM
Scott Garner the latest player to fall foul.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Bodge on January 06, 2022, 10:16:26 AM
FFS, if I was to get the job I would get rid of the lot of them that have had betting bans. They have let Elliott down, the chairman and us the fans.
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Dipdodah on January 26, 2022, 05:32:27 PM
Arsenal being probed for substantial wager on a certain player receiving yellow card.  I hope the same rules apply to the big clubs.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-arsenal-betting-yellow-cards-25993200
Title: Re: Players fall foul of FA betting rules
Post by: Dipdodah on March 05, 2022, 10:06:34 AM
The FA are to probe a suspicious booking.  They are looking into the booking of Stratford player Kynan Isaac.  He was booked in the 84th minute in the FA cup match against Shrewsbury. A considerable sum of money was bet on this happening.