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Title: Darlington result
Post by: dt woodhall on November 24, 2020, 03:05:19 PM
How long is it going to take the league to resolve this? Common sense and fairness would indicate that with only a few minutes to go it clearly should be awarded to us. Needs to be resolved ASAP so everybody knows what position is. Anybody know what the latest position is??
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: BostonGoals on November 24, 2020, 04:25:03 PM
Expect we might hear something within the next year or two.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 25, 2020, 03:11:03 PM
I believe the latest position is that both clubs were due to submit a report on their thoughts about the potential repercussions, as well as the referee. Just waiting on the National League, as usual.

The longer we wait, the more chance we get the 3 points IMO.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Eddie Killick on November 25, 2020, 04:04:53 PM
In view of any Covid repercussions, surely it would make sense for the result to stand ? It can`t be in anybody`s interests to have the match replayed . Let common sense prevail.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on November 25, 2020, 05:03:12 PM
Doesn't even really seem much appetite from their fans to replay it - they recognised we were by far the better side on the night...
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: SMELLS LIKE VICTORY on November 25, 2020, 05:13:07 PM

Since when has fairness & sense had any role in football administration?
My guess why they’re taking so long is that they’re struggling to find the most obtuse and perverse judgment possible.
They’ll probably award 3 points to Darlo because some team, somewhere, some time scored 3 goals in injury time.
And because we’re Boston. I’m not bitter, honest.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Cavalier on November 25, 2020, 06:03:45 PM
Are they trying to avoid making a decision unless the 3 points are necessary in determining promotion or relegation places? 
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 26, 2020, 12:11:05 PM
You would assume they have at least monthly board meetings... so maybe within a couple of weeks/months/years, we'll find out.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Burgh Boy on November 26, 2020, 05:16:59 PM
I'm afraid this is Elite football run by a feeble committee. Get on with it! Either give us the 3 points or make us replay the game! :police:
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Cavalier on November 26, 2020, 07:36:25 PM
I'm afraid this is Elite football run by a feeble committee. Get on with it! Either give us the 3 points or make us replay the game! :police:

No!  Just give us our 3 points please.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Timshorts on November 26, 2020, 09:32:30 PM
You would assume they have at least monthly board meetings... so maybe within a couple of weeks/months/years, we'll find out.

It will depend on whether the decision is contested. By way of example, when I was doing the club secretary bit a few years back I had a call from the away team secretary to say they couldn't make the game as they only had 9 available players the rest being stuck on a motorway somewhere and couldn't get there. We were told that they would concede the three points. I was pissed off as we had all done a lot of work for the game, but OK, we'd accept that they couldn't turn up on that basis.

Months later, it after the league had launched an enquiry, they put in statements just lying about it. None of their players had actually turned up and we were ready to go. Yet they eventually ended up with the points without our having a chance to even see their statements.

F you shoreham Town.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Dipdodah on November 27, 2020, 10:25:03 AM
You would assume they have at least monthly board meetings... so maybe within a couple of weeks/months/years, we'll find out.

It will depend on whether the decision is contested. By way of example, when I was doing the club secretary bit a few years back I had a call from the away team secretary to say they couldn't make the game as they only had 9 available players the rest being stuck on a motorway somewhere and couldn't get there. We were told that they would concede the three points. I was pissed off as we had all done a lot of work for the game, but OK, we'd accept that they couldn't turn up on that basis.

Months later, it after the league had launched an enquiry, they put in statements just lying about it. None of their players had actually turned up and we were ready to go. Yet they eventually ended up with the points without our having a chance to even see their statements.

F you shoreham Town.

I was secretary of a Boston Sunday league club in the early 70's.  I contacted the secretary of the another league club, to see if the match was still on due to heavy snow. I was assured it was. After much effort we made it to the village ground.  It was obvious due to virgin snow no one had even been there to prepare the pitch.  We waited 15 minutes then left.  I was surprised to find out, their secretary had contacted the league to say we were non arrivals.  It was our word against theirs.  I demanded to see referees report, but the club would have to pay £3 to appeal. So we decided to forfeit the game and was fined £1 for our troubles.  The village team won the league that year by a lot more points than they would have got off us.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Timshorts on November 27, 2020, 07:14:54 PM
You would assume they have at least monthly board meetings... so maybe within a couple of weeks/months/years, we'll find out.

It will depend on whether the decision is contested. By way of example, when I was doing the club secretary bit a few years back I had a call from the away team secretary to say they couldn't make the game as they only had 9 available players the rest being stuck on a motorway somewhere and couldn't get there. We were told that they would concede the three points. I was pissed off as we had all done a lot of work for the game, but OK, we'd accept that they couldn't turn up on that basis.

Months later, it after the league had launched an enquiry, they put in statements just lying about it. None of their players had actually turned up and we were ready to go. Yet they eventually ended up with the points without our having a chance to even see their statements.

F you shoreham Town.

I was secretary of a Boston Sunday league club in the early 70's.  I contacted the secretary of the another league club, to see if the match was still on due to heavy snow. I was assured it was. After much effort we made it to the village ground.  It was obvious due to virgin snow no one had even been there to prepare the pitch.  We waited 15 minutes then left.  I was surprised to find out, their secretary had contacted the league to say we were non arrivals.  It was our word against theirs.  I demanded to see referees report, but the club would have to pay £3 to appeal. So we decided to forfeit the game and was fined £1 for our troubles.  The village team won the league that year by a lot more points than they would have got off us.

Prices have gone up a bit since!
To be fair to the league, the chairman/Secretary person rang me up as he heard that I was p'd off about it and gave me a chance to explain why.
Nowadays, the players etc would all take photos on their phones to show they were at the ground and the state of it etc.
We had more issues with people wanting the Christmas games cancelled so that they could go out on the lash. Our star midfield player at the time had left West ham after a disagreement of that type. According to the rumours, he'd been told to come in for training on boxing day as a youth pkayer and his response was to say "f off, I'm going out on the p*ss". A real wasted talent that one. Occasionally he'd do things that you'd not see in the Premier league but 5 minutes later he'd turn into nigel ransom.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: yam man on November 28, 2020, 11:45:02 AM
Are they trying to avoid making a decision unless the 3 points are necessary in determining promotion or relegation places?

I had a dream last night. The season was over. All points awarded except the Darlington game. Boston two points behind league leaders Spennymoor. The league decided to call it a 1-1 draw.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ernie100 on November 28, 2020, 06:45:59 PM
Are they trying to avoid making a decision unless the 3 points are necessary in determining promotion or relegation places?

I had a dream last night. The season was over. All points awarded except the Darlington game. Boston two points behind league leaders Spennymoor. The league decided to call it a 1-1 draw.

That's not a dream, it's a bloody nightmare!!!
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Cavalier on December 07, 2020, 07:59:11 PM
Darlington's match postponed last Sat due to covid in their camp.  They miss their next 2 games before resuming on Boxing Day.  This willl put them furthest behind, so even more reason for our abandoned score to stand as a result.  Common sense!
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ken Fox on December 15, 2020, 12:12:09 PM
Just announced that the game will be replayed in February.

https://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/darlington-fixture-to-be-replayed-2590463.html (https://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/darlington-fixture-to-be-replayed-2590463.html)

Boston United will re-visit Darlington in February after the National League ordered a replay of November's abandoned clash.

The Pilgrims led 2-0 after 87 minutes in the northeast on November 10 when home defender Nicky Hunt sustained a serious injury.

United put forward what they believed to be a strong case to be awarded all three points, particularly in a Covid-19-condensed season, but the National League board deemed that a full rematch will be required.

United are disappointed with the outcome and did consider an appeal, but given the detailed submissions already made, it was felt the decision would not be overturned.

The Pilgrims will therefore visit Blackwell Meadows on Tuesday February 16 (kick-off 7.45pm).
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Kirtonian on December 15, 2020, 12:31:16 PM
So much for common sense then!
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Dipdodah on December 15, 2020, 12:34:17 PM
I get slated when I say it's not a level playing field.  I am told it's a conspiracy theory.  Well explain this decision.  We are still not liked.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Mad Dog on December 15, 2020, 01:10:18 PM
Completely on top in the match, no blame with the injury, help save the player's life... and this is the thanks you get. Darlington should be totally ashamed!
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Fishtoft Crew on December 15, 2020, 01:23:04 PM
Love to see the explanation behind this. Crap decision but under covid even worse. DFC hang your heads. 
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: gatley pilgrim on December 15, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
Not sure that Darlington are to blame for this decision, it was the National League Board that made the decision. Totally agree that it is ridiculous given there were only 3 minutes of the 90 to play (in fact it was gone 90 minutes before game was actually abandoned), BUFC were 2-0 up and Darlington were down to 10 men and so little chance of getting 2 goals required to even draw, congestion of games this season and travelling expenses.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ernie100 on December 15, 2020, 01:42:19 PM
Let's go there and thrash them, it's what they deserve if they put in a case for a rematch.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: yam man on December 15, 2020, 02:19:36 PM
Unbelievable! Match abandoned about a quarter of an hour into time added on. Who are these people?
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Tash on December 15, 2020, 02:20:49 PM
50-50 split on their board apart from one t###er called darlogramps. He sounds like a real piece of work. Let’s hope the lge don’t regret what they have done they have set a real precedent. Imagine this situation, need a point to get promoted and losing 1-0 with a couple of minutes to go".........................
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: oxo on December 15, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
Don't think BUFC will ever get a fair deal from the authorities, this is the most ridiculous decision I have ever seen, as Dave says what a precedent this has set no team will ever have to lose again by simply ensuring the game is abandoned. What a bunch of ar$£HOLES.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: green hats mate on December 15, 2020, 02:38:44 PM
50-50 split on their board apart from one t###er called darlogramps. He sounds like a real piece of work. Let’s hope the lge don’t regret what they have done they have set a real precedent. Imagine this situation, need a point to get promoted and losing 1-0 with a couple of minutes to go".........................
Could set a trend ,   can see some physio's getting a bit of overtime .  :'(
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: brummie exile 1960 on December 15, 2020, 02:52:22 PM
What did I tell you! The fat rats on the Conference board have finally broke cover. I hope CE gets the message..., this is where "respect and admiration" gets you. People walk all over you. And to think our medical staff spent over an hour on the pitch caring for their stricken player.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: doc on December 15, 2020, 04:07:50 PM
If they have to replay it then surely its only fair to start the game on 87 min with us leading 2 nil?
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Fishtoft Crew on December 15, 2020, 04:25:41 PM
Doc bang on. 
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: wismo on December 15, 2020, 04:39:35 PM
Boycott the tv replay
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Lee Newell on December 15, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
When we were in conference I went to our home match on new years day v nuneaton which was abandoned at half time due to frozen pitch. This was re-arranged and everyone was allowed to attend the re-arranged match for free.  Hopefully Darlington will give the tv stream for replay free, ideally to everyone but should certainly be free for those of us who paid first time round.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: joshb on December 15, 2020, 05:16:44 PM
Don't blame Darlington, it's the clowns in blazers to blame

So next time we're 2 nil down we'll claim spinal injury and play it again....
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Tash on December 15, 2020, 05:52:59 PM
Don't blame Darlington, it's the clowns in blazers to blame

So next time we're 2 nil down we'll claim spinal injury and play it again....

Think we can partly blame them, their manager was happy for us to have the points on the night so it was reported, so if they had told the blazers that at the board meeting I’m sure the outcome would have been different. They like us would have been asked to put a case in so they obviously put a case forward for a replay. Their all a bunch of shisters and they won’t get my money for a live stream.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: nikko on December 15, 2020, 07:58:48 PM
if ever you wanted proof that we are not liked ,this is it.....bloody scandalous
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: dt woodhall on December 15, 2020, 09:42:50 PM
What a rediculous decision, I assume there must be an explanation for this especially under the current circumstances. I think everyone should be able to see this and I think we should see what Darlington view is especially as we had all the kit to help stabilise their player. I'm disgusted and the people who made this decision should hang their heads in shame and justify their decision. I know it says the club are not appealing but I would urge them to reconsider this and broadcast the situation far and wide. Perhaps we can get JVT to help!!!!
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: dt woodhall on December 15, 2020, 09:49:20 PM
This is effectively a 3 point penalty as it is at the moment. I know we have to play the game again as it stands, and you know what the likely outcome is as well. Midweek in February as well. Make them justify this decision, don't just accept it.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ed Kandii on December 15, 2020, 10:18:07 PM
It is strange that a club like Darlington wasn't equipped to stabilise a spinal injury.  Surely that would come up in a risk assessment,  and be a prerequisite for a matchday insurance policy. ???
Its got to be worth appealing this decision irrespective of their emergency arrangements. They are banking on the good nature of our Chairman in order to get away with this one. :police:

Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Cavalier on December 15, 2020, 10:47:15 PM
Nicky Hunt played the full game against Div.1 Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup 19 days after his life threatening injury.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Pilgrim86 on December 15, 2020, 10:49:56 PM
Nicky Hunt played the full game against Div.1 Bristol Rovers in the FA Cup 19 days after his life threatening injury.

Not very well, looking at the result.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Burgh Boy on December 17, 2020, 09:13:04 AM
I have always maintained that for Elite Football this League does not have an elite committee. Darlington should hang their heads in shame. We were winning, we had the appropriate equipment to stabilise their player's injury and they were, allegedly, happy for us to have the points. This is Covid19 madness! We have been ordered to travel again to Darlington in a pandemic. Lunacy  :police:
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: yam man on December 17, 2020, 12:37:21 PM
I've just read Darlington's manager's view on the decision. He thinks they could have got a draw! He obviously lives in the same make-believe world inhabited by the league committee.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ken Fox on December 17, 2020, 12:37:58 PM
According to the report in the Standard, Darlington's manager Alun Armstrong has said:

"The ref said he was going to have to abandon it and my reaction was ‘I don’t really care’, the game just wasn’t a concern at that moment. But we’ve since talked about it as a club, and I’ve been involved in games when teams have come back from two goals down late on. It happened when I was Blyth manager. The league have made their decision and we’ve got to make up for what happened, we were caught on a bad day after the Swindon Cup game ( a 2-1 FA Cup defeat in the previous game).”
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Cavalier on December 18, 2020, 05:26:18 PM
According to the report in the Standard, Darlington's manager Alun Armstrong has said:

"The ref said he was going to have to abandon it and my reaction was ‘I don’t really care’, the game just wasn’t a concern at that moment. But we’ve since talked about it as a club, and I’ve been involved in games when teams have come back from two goals down late on. It happened when I was Blyth manager. The league have made their decision and we’ve got to make up for what happened, we were caught on a bad day after the Swindon Cup game ( a 2-1 FA Cup defeat in the previous game).”

On the night their manager agreed with Craig that the result should stand and later changed his mind.  So much for "my word is my bond".  He has lost integrity and my respect.  Hope we stuff them in the replay but fairy tales don't seem to happen to us I'm afraid.  As much as I want to watch our team replay this match I can't see myself giving Darlington any more cash. 
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: dt woodhall on December 18, 2020, 07:37:45 PM
I am amazed the club decided not to appeal the decision.

Surely we need to see the reason from the National league why they made this initial decision.

I think they should be made to give their justification especially in these tough times.

Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ed Kandii on December 19, 2020, 06:28:08 PM
Anyone know why they waited for two weeks,  when it was too late to appeal,  before announcing the National League's decision?  Apparently the players knew and were not happy
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Burgh Boy on December 20, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
Great letter in today's Non-League Paper. Well done Mr Napier! The League's decision stinks and the club should have appealed to the FA or higher to stop this madness from taking place. The government is asking for no unnecessary travel and yet the League Management has ordered 2 clubs to put themselves in Covid19 jeopardy for a football match which does not need to be replayed! Insanity........
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on December 20, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
I like to think that we would have conceded the game to Darlington in the current climate if the score and stadium had been reversed.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: noughtyforties on December 22, 2020, 11:43:47 AM
I am amazed the club decided not to appeal the decision.

Surely we need to see the reason from the National league why they made this initial decision.

I think they should be made to give their justification especially in these tough times.

They absolutely should be accountable to how they reached this ridiculous decision.

Although I don't buy into the FA still punishing the club for misdemeanors during McFraud's era I do believe as a club we can be too nice at times. I certainly would have appealed this, bugger what other clubs think, we've got our players and staffs welfare to consider first and foremost. In the current climate its the absolute height of folly to send a club traipsing 100+ miles for a game that was done and dusted.   
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Wyberton pilgrim on December 22, 2020, 01:36:35 PM
If we win the replay by more than the 2 goal difference  then go on to get promoted on goal difference by 1 goal how good would that be, but if we loose  don't think about it.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: howmanynames2pick on December 22, 2020, 04:28:39 PM
I am amazed the club decided not to appeal the decision.

Surely we need to see the reason from the National league why they made this initial decision.

I think they should be made to give their justification especially in these tough times.

They absolutely should be accountable to how they reached this ridiculous decision.

Although I don't buy into the FA still punishing the club for misdemeanors during McFraud's era I do believe as a club we can be too nice at times. I certainly would have appealed this, bugger what other clubs think, we've got our players and staffs welfare to consider first and foremost. In the current climate its the absolute height of folly to send a club traipsing 100+ miles for a game that was done and dusted.
Spot on Andy
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ed Kandii on December 23, 2020, 01:28:53 PM
The replay in February looks even more absurd in view of the fact that this new variant virus is spreading from the south, and is.. far more transmissible than the original strain.
A totally unnecessary journey from what is likely to be a Tier 4 area soon.
The national league and the two clubs need to look at it again.  :police:
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Burgh Boy on January 03, 2021, 07:52:04 PM
Another great letter in today's Non League Paper against the shear lunatic FA decision to replay this game. "Elite" football is being governed by amateur bureaucrats who have no consideration of Covid 19 being spread and no common sense.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Dipdodah on January 04, 2021, 11:33:05 AM
I can see us going into National lockdown again.  If London suffers, we all have to. >:( >:(.  I can see football being suspended.  This season should never have started.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Lee Newell on January 04, 2021, 11:55:56 AM
I can see us going into National lockdown again.  If London suffers, we all have to. >:( >:(.  I can see football being suspended.  This season should never have started.

If we win tomorrow night we will go top on PPG as Glocester aren't playing. Promotion based on PPG like Lynn last season?
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: leicester pilgrim on January 04, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
If the Darlington result had stood we would already be top of the league on points per game. If the season does end early again and potential positions and promotions decided on PPG and this decision swings the balance against us, then surely we'd have a valid grievance case against the league?
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: AJHallgarth on January 04, 2021, 06:17:07 PM
I would imagine that if the season is suspended soon and doesn't start up again then it will be declared null and void. No club has played half of their games yet. Darlington have only managed ten nine. There's surely not been enough games played on which to decide promotion and relegation.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Pilgrim86 on January 05, 2021, 12:57:37 PM
Elite football continues, including FA Trophy.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: dt woodhall on January 05, 2021, 06:03:00 PM
Current position nationally just shows what a terrible decision this was.
Hope the jobsworth that made this decision hang their heads in shame.

Still no response as to why they made this decision.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ed Kandii on January 05, 2021, 08:00:32 PM
... and still no indication as to why, when the decision was announced,  the club decided to keep quiet about it until the two week window for appeal had elapsed  :-\

Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Burgh Boy on January 10, 2021, 10:06:14 AM
Letter from a Stuart Atkinson from Waltham on the Wolds (Leicestershire) in today's Non League Paper saying that ordering this game to be replayed is "totally justifiable"! Oh well, the League Committee's crazy and pandemic ignoring decision does have some support!
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Bostonshire on January 10, 2021, 10:45:06 AM
... and still no indication as to why, when the decision was announced,  the club decided to keep quiet about it until the two week window for appeal had elapsed  :-\

It was announced straight away that the club would not appeal. We are Boston United we don't pay for appeals when we already know the answer.
Title: Re: Darlington result
Post by: Ed Kandii on January 10, 2021, 01:12:12 PM
Whoever you are, if you don't go through the appeal process you won't know the answer, unless you're clairvoyant of course.

In an interview with Craig, after one of recent games,  he was talking about the decision and he said that the decision may have affected the players performance in one of the games. 
They knew of the decision 2 weeks before it was announced to the rest of us according to the interview.