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Title: National League Statement
Post by: Kearsley Pilgrim on April 22, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
https://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/national-league--statement-2530985.html

It will interesting to see now what happens with the 'sporting outcomes' - season null and void?, PPG to decide league positions and so promotion to and relegation from the top division?; will playoffs be held?; and, if so, will they behind closed doors and could they all be played at neutral venue?
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Ferret on April 22, 2020, 01:55:30 PM
Of personal interest is whether my each way bet will be honoured for a top 3 finish......yet to be decidced how or if final positions will be calculated.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: BostonGoals on April 22, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
Given that there won’t be any relegation from the North and South you would anticipate there not being much opposition to going by points per game and promoting the two league winners. Kings Lynn were going to win the league and they should be promoted - I’d also prefer them to go up given how much they’re throwing money around.

The big issue is going to be the top of National League and if League 2 gets voided - there is a lot of money riding on that.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on April 22, 2020, 02:27:17 PM
Of personal interest is whether my each way bet will be honoured for a top 3 finish......yet to be decidced how or if final positions will be calculated.

Same here mate. If positions stop as they are, they will not pay out. If they make the league null and void all monies refunded. I did have a saver on York, it nearly covers my stake.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Imp Stalker on May 08, 2020, 10:33:29 AM
Seen some talk about weighted PPG being used to decide L1 and L2.  So taking into account teams that have more home games than away.  Given out 6/4 split, i wonder how it'll work our for BUFC, if it get down to NLN.

https://theathletic.com/1800891/2020/05/08/leagueone-league-two-efl-ppg-coventry/?source=user_shared_article

Behind a paywall i'm afraid
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on May 08, 2020, 11:29:17 AM
It makes no difference to our placing, whether they split PPG home and away or not. We'd be 3rd.

www.bufc.drfox.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7699.msg116906#msg116906
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on May 08, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
It makes no difference to our placing, whether they split PPG home and away or not. We'd be 3rd.
I will take that.
www.bufc.drfox.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7699.msg116906#msg116906
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Ferret on May 14, 2020, 01:39:33 PM
The longer this drags on the worse it gets?

I assume the National League are awaiting a steer from the EFL regards promotion/relegation or the lack of.  The longer it goes on, the more likely I suspect the season will be null and void.

I assume there will be no relegation in our league as there will no promotions from below, but who knows.  Logic says that all leagues at every level must adopt the same stance for everything to be balanced in terms of numbers.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on May 14, 2020, 02:40:34 PM
No relegations from our league has already been confirmed.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on May 15, 2020, 05:50:48 PM
No relegations from our league has already been confirmed.
So on that logic, it would be 2 up from us and 2 down from the National League.
Just leave it alone and start the new season in August.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on May 15, 2020, 07:20:30 PM
My mate tells me league two have voted to null and void the season.  So no relegation for Stevenage.  So bottom two in National league get relegated.  Not confirmed.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on May 15, 2020, 09:26:03 PM
No relegations from our league has already been confirmed.
So on that logic, it would be 2 up from us and 2 down from the National League.
Just leave it alone and start the new season in August.

Are you forgetting about Conference South?

Plus, there is a situation caused by Bury's expulsion. If the Conference promote Barrow, without receiving a club from the FL, then one of the 3 Conference divisions will have 1 less club.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on May 16, 2020, 07:50:12 AM
No relegations from our league has already been confirmed.
So on that logic, it would be 2 up from us and 2 down from the National League.
Just leave it alone and start the new season in August.

Are you forgetting about Conference South?

Plus, there is a situation caused by Bury's expulsion. If the Conference promote Barrow, without receiving a club from the FL, then one of the 3 Conference divisions will have 1 less club.
Yes you are right, that is very true, and l did forget about the south division.
What a potential mess could lie ahead.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on May 20, 2020, 06:20:51 AM
 ;Any more news yet about the play offs, or not the play offs ????
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: leicester pilgrim on May 24, 2020, 10:32:00 AM
;Any more news yet about the play offs, or not the play offs ????

Just read a tweet stating that Simon Ainge is expected to sign for Farsley Celtic. Not sure how reliable that info is, but presumably he'd be in his rights to do so as he's been released by Darlington. At the same time he's on a season long loan to us and would be expected to be involved in any play off games. It's making a bit of a mockery that squads are evolving and changing and the whole play off picture remains so unclear. If Farsley become his new parent club, would it be on condition that he remains loaned to us until the issue is potentially resolved?
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on June 08, 2020, 12:00:40 PM
We should find out today, what is happening concerning football league clubs.  I think the National league will follow suit.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 08, 2020, 12:54:39 PM
The vote for the FL clubs in League One and Two is tomorrow.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 09, 2020, 02:57:17 PM
League Two have apparently voted to end the season, but there will be relegation. Bury essentially take up 1 spot, so it's between Stevenage and Macclesfield, pending result of FL inquiry into Macc not paying players.

Expecting National League to follow suit, with play offs... and I believe they will do the same in all 3 National League divisions.

Play Offs for us?
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Lee Newell on June 09, 2020, 09:04:28 PM
Looks likely national leagues will follow league 1 and 2 and have playoffs so maybe York Street will have another match or 2 just a shame that it's final match will be with no crowd.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 09, 2020, 09:19:59 PM
Anybody got access to a cherry picker?
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on June 09, 2020, 09:41:22 PM
Surely something will be put in place for live streaming.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on June 10, 2020, 11:41:07 AM
Play-offs will be a logistical nightmare! We've already started moving out of our ground, there'll be no fans anyway, most of the players would need the equivalent of another pre-season to get back fit, Brackley have let most of their players go, Chester have lost their top scorer....
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: C.B. on June 10, 2020, 12:55:13 PM
I would imagine they would also have to put in place some kind of club covid protocols like they've done in the Championship / premier league - and also probably test the players / staff twice a week  - all might be a step too far ??
Hope not
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: green hats mate on June 10, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
I think all clubs at our level will be thinking survival rather than play-offs .   Over the coming months I for see some non-league clubs requesting to move down the pyramid and some others calling it a day .
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on June 10, 2020, 02:53:12 PM
I'm afraid you're right Pete. Some clubs will not survive.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 11, 2020, 02:04:41 PM
Sounds like play offs are a no-go, as non-elite sport is currently not allowed by the Government.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Devon Pilgrim on June 12, 2020, 10:45:35 AM
Seemingly from elsewhere no play offs for North or South to National League
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: doc on June 12, 2020, 10:50:27 AM
https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/national-league-step-one/30765/national-league-north-and-south-play-offs-in-doubt/
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Devon Pilgrim on June 12, 2020, 10:57:48 AM
See Alty Website
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: aggy on June 12, 2020, 02:04:34 PM
Jumpers for goalposts!

Clearly Boris & Co would rather prawn sandwich it up rather than engage with the non-elite.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on June 13, 2020, 08:53:33 AM
York are threatening Legal action if 2 clubs are not promoted from NLN as the same as the NL.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: green hats mate on June 13, 2020, 10:16:47 AM
York are threatening Legal action if 2 clubs are not promoted from NLN as the same as the NL.
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Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on June 13, 2020, 04:20:12 PM
York are threatening Legal action if 2 clubs are not promoted from NLN as the same as the NL.
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Waste of time and money!]
There money to waste, wont affect my bank balance.
A new resolution is being tabled tomorrow by the league, clubs vote on Monday , but not all of the clubs get a vote, only the national league clubs get a vote each, NLN & NLS get a collective vote.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on June 13, 2020, 04:30:34 PM
Very interesting interview with DN on radio Lincolnshire today.
He is not a happy  chappie.
I am not going to get into the points he made, as its better to listen to it yourselves and make your own conclusions.
But one thing is for sure, if l was the chorley owner, l would feel a sense of injustice, the only team to be relegated out of the bottom four, how can that be fair.
It should have at least been 2 clubs.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 13, 2020, 06:19:34 PM
But one thing is for sure, if l was the chorley owner, l would feel a sense of injustice, the only team to be relegated out of the bottom four, how can that be fair.

They deserve it!

I don't think they can complain at being relegated, considering they are 17 points inside the original relegation zone. If there weren't bottom, they'd have a better chance...
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on June 13, 2020, 06:54:13 PM
But one thing is for sure, if l was the chorley owner, l would feel a sense of injustice, the only team to be relegated out of the bottom four, how can that be fair.

They deserve it!

I don't think they can complain at being relegated, considering they are 17 points inside the original relegation zone. If there weren't bottom, they'd have a better chance...
Would you be happy if it was us in the same position??
They do deserve it because of their league position, but does that mean the other 3 do not then, a football league table never lies about your performance on the pitch.
What's your justification for not relegating the other 3 ???
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 13, 2020, 09:19:19 PM
But one thing is for sure, if l was the chorley owner, l would feel a sense of injustice, the only team to be relegated out of the bottom four, how can that be fair.

They deserve it!

I don't think they can complain at being relegated, considering they are 17 points inside the original relegation zone. If there weren't bottom, they'd have a better chance...
Would you be happy if it was us in the same position??
They do deserve it because of their league position, but does that mean the other 3 do not then, a football league table never lies about your performance on the pitch.
What's your justification for not relegating the other 3 ???

You were talking from Chorley's point of view, not the other 3. Whether the other 3 go down or not, Chorley cannot complain.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: green hats mate on June 14, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
But one thing is for sure, if l was the chorley owner, l would feel a sense of injustice, the only team to be relegated out of the bottom four, how can that be fair.

They deserve it!

I don't think they can complain at being relegated, considering they are 17 points inside the original relegation zone. If there weren't bottom, they'd have a better chance...
Would you be happy if it was us in the same position??
They do deserve it because of their league position, but does that mean the other 3 do not then, a football league table never lies about your performance on the pitch.
What's your justification for not relegating the other 3 ???
Can't see  anything to debate ,   what do you suggest the fair thing is , relegate the team second from bottom ?     Seems what it tells us it is decided only one team will be promoted from our league .
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on June 14, 2020, 10:30:34 AM
Let's draw a line under this season.  Circumstances dictate that this season cannot be fulfilled.  So the obvious outcome is to make it null and void.  York had by far the easiest run in.  Kings Lynn's form of late had been very erratic, who's to say it would not continue.  I thought they were punching above their weight anyway.

  Very sad after such a great season and not being able to say goodbye to York street.  But these are exceptional times. 
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 15, 2020, 08:39:59 PM
The following has been put to the clubs, voting by Wednesday 5pm:

Points per game to be used to decided placings (based on full games/points) - we would finish 3rd
Teams in 1st place promoted, 2nd-7th in play offs. Play offs require at least 4 teams to go ahead, and government approval for Conf North/South - we are expected to show intentions to participate
If play offs do not happen, only champion club is promoted - York therefore must win the play offs to go up


This is for both steps 1 and 2, and is voted by all clubs at step 1, and clubs at step 2 are amalgamated into 4 votes per division.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: BostonGoals on June 16, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
Chester now saying they can’t commit to play-offs without first knowing how much it could potentially cost, which is absolutely fair enough but this should have all been sorted by the League months ago when it was clear we wouldn’t be playing again this season.

Also they haven’t got government approval yet anyway! What a mess.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: AJHallgarth on June 16, 2020, 05:36:13 PM
Play offs require at least 4 teams to go ahead
I wonder what the thinking is here. In a normal season, if only three clubs are eligible to compete in the play-offs (with the other three failing ground grading requirements, say) then I'm pretty sure that those play-offs would go ahead with three teams. Presumably it's a cost issue, the league not thinking it fair to spread some overhead (hiring a stadium?) across a small number of clubs. Still, it'd be a kick in the teeth if we're ready to go with four teams and one pulls out late on.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 16, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
Still, it'd be a kick in the teeth if we're ready to go with four teams and one pulls out late on.

I would hope that if you signal your intention now to play, then you are counted as playing. If you pull out, your opponent should get the bye.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 17, 2020, 10:34:57 AM
David Newton has released a statement:

https://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/club-statement--17062020-2543388.html

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Club Statement - 17/06/2020

Boston United chairman David Newton has issued an update in relation to the conclusion of the season.

Mr Newton commented: “We continue to seek a resolution to the current season. Last week we were asked to vote on concluding the season by firstly determining the final league positions on a “points-per-game” basis (which would put ourselves in third place) and then for the second promotion place being determined by play-offs behind-closed-doors.
 
“Ahead of the vote, we were then informed by the National League that football below National League level was not classed as ‘elite’ so clubs in the North and South divisions could not take part in play-off games under Government advice. We were also informed that the teams finishing in second place would not be promoted from the North and South divisions, as the rules only provided for promotion via play-offs.
 
“We, and many other clubs, did not agree with the National League’s interpretation of the Government guidance around the definition of ‘elite’ so it was requested that should be re-visited. We also felt that it was only fair that, if the play-offs could not be played under Government guidance, then a rule change should be made to allow the second promotion place to be determined on a points-per-game basis. The alternative would mean that only one club would be relegated from the National League, and that was neither fair or equitable and did not uphold the integrity of the competition.
 
“We have now received a new Resolution that all National League clubs are invited to vote on today, which includes potential play-offs for North and South clubs. A further process would then be put in place by the National League to finalise details of the play-offs and ensure all qualifying clubs wish to participate and can be legally complaint in doing so.
 
“The play-offs would present many immediate challenges for the club in terms of logistics, training facilities, testing, compliance and cost and the ‘longer term’ issue of having to build the East Stand at the new Community Stadium by March 2021 to meet higher ground grading requirements should we be successful in the play-offs.
 
“On balance, the directors have decided that the club will vote in favour of the Resolution to uphold the integrity of the competition and to give Craig Elliott the chance of delivering what we set out to do at the beginning of the season. We would then work on meeting all those challenges.

“Clearly the club’s finances have been decimated by the pandemic, so we would look for as much help as possible from fans and sponsors should play-offs go ahead behind-closed-doors, where clearly we will have all the costs of training; staging games, un-furloughing players and Covid-19 measures, but with no gate income from the games.
 
“The vote takes place today and we hope that things will be finalised tomorrow. We will update everyone again on the club’s plans thereafter. We also understand that if the Resolution is voted down, the outcome may be ‘null and void’ but that is not totally clear at the moment.
 
“Stay safe everyone.”
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Lee Newell on June 17, 2020, 12:11:10 PM
Well put as ever from David Newton. Will be a lot of money to find to fund playing playoffs, hopefully some tv money if BT Sport show them live but nothing confirmed yet. Really feel like the FA should help non league clubs with costs of playoffs in current circumstances. If we need to ensure East Stand is complete by March would think would need to get started on that very soon.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: dt woodhall on June 17, 2020, 03:19:36 PM
Suggest we get Marcus Rashford on the case!!!
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on June 17, 2020, 06:37:05 PM
Good news to come out of the proposals , if ppg comes in. Spennymoor will not make the cut.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Oops on June 17, 2020, 06:42:58 PM
Perhaps we could ask Rashrord to fund any play off games we may be involved in. I doubt he would miss a bit of his ‘hard’ earned dosh.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on June 17, 2020, 06:57:30 PM
Perhaps we could ask Rashrord to fund any play off games we may be involved in. I doubt he would miss a bit of his ‘hard’ earned dosh.

I think he's the last person who people should be asking for cash from. He's done his bit.

How's your multi-million pound charity work coming along?
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Oops on June 17, 2020, 07:53:38 PM
Pretty good thank you.
Thanks for reminding me why their was a time I didn’t post on here. Some folks can be really pathetically obnoxious.
Goodbye
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Lee Newell on June 17, 2020, 09:01:04 PM
Just read that playoffs in July final at neutral venue but semi final at club grounds. Where does this leave us when we should be playing our semi final at home?
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on June 17, 2020, 10:56:05 PM
Honestly have no idea if York Street is capable of hosting. We've already started moving out but with no crowd allowed in then I would imagine the logistics of simply getting people out on the pitch the play a game are probably doable. The bigger issue is surely whether the landlords would let us? I find it hard to believe they'd begrudge the team one last game. The truly horrifying part of it being that only very few people will be allowed in to see it.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: semion on June 18, 2020, 07:51:21 AM
Surely with no crowd in then it won’t matter where we play it as Ground Grading requirements won’t apply.

Will York have the same problem as I understand they have not taken over the new ground.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on June 18, 2020, 11:16:49 AM
Surely with no crowd in then it won’t matter where we play it as Ground Grading requirements won’t apply.

Will York have the same problem as I understand they have not taken over the new ground.

No but there would be requirements around medical and media facilities we'd still have to comply with. I'd guess the club left that stuff in situ for now just in case. Same for York - in fact their media guy says he's already got a plan in place to stream the games so I don't think they have any issues with their ground.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Old boy thin on June 20, 2020, 08:55:43 AM
Pretty good thank you.
Thanks for reminding me why their was a time I didn’t post on here. Some folks can be really pathetically obnoxious.
Goodbye
Just the way he comes across, but he is actually a nice person.
Got to agree with P86 on the Rashford point, we often forget that many top Sports People come from an impoverished background.
Good on him for supporting such a good cause.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Dipdodah on July 03, 2020, 09:57:02 AM
I have heard that BT will be televising National league playoffs,  but not league North or south.  But may stream. The final of the National league playoff will be at Wembley.
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on July 04, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
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Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: leicester pilgrim on July 10, 2020, 03:22:49 PM
I emailed BT last weekend (email cc-d to the Non League Paper), advising them that I thought the National League North and South play offs deserved coverage in the same way as the National League does. I have had a phone call response from BT today, all he could say was that "BT are working hard" and "it is still being discussed" . But at least it's not yet a lost cause about there being some form of TV coverage. Watch this space...
Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on July 12, 2020, 10:12:28 AM
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Title: Re: National League Statement
Post by: Pilgrim86 on July 13, 2020, 06:11:11 PM
https://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/nl-north-and-south-playoffs-to-be-live-streamed-2549675.html