Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Pete Brooksbank on March 25, 2020, 12:06:52 PM
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Looks like the National League have voted to end the season, with the only remaining decision now whether to void the season or go with some other method (points per game?) of determining final league places for promotion/relegation. None of the methods mooted would elevate us into second, so that's that: another year of National League North!
Shame, it had been such a great/memorable season up to this point. But I'm not sure there was really any realistic prospect of the NL completing this season, unfortunately.
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Was really hoping they'd follow PL/EFL and complete the season whenever that may be.
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If you stop the 19-20 season now, when do you start the 20-21 one? I wouldn't assume we would be ready to start it in August...
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No easy alternative really , I don't think there will be much of a problem sorting out promotion and relegation if they decide to implement it .
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No easy alternative really , I don't think there will be much of a problem sorting out promotion and relegation if they decide to implement it .
Pete, you can't say that. Kings Lynn were on a very bad run and York were in my opinion were only on top due to most games played. I am not saying the league will not promote KL and York, but with a quarter of the season still to play, I think it is unfair to teams below. If we were top the league would be voided. I say write this season off and start again.
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Annoying.
Should restart when it becomes an option. If that's July/August/September then so be it. It's 'one game' but what we're seeing now is all the different leagues come up with different plans on what they're going to do. Of course money talks so the PL will just continue when that becomes an option!
Shame we won't have any competitive football until August at the earliest now.
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No easy alternative really , I don't think there will be much of a problem sorting out promotion and relegation if they decide to implement it .
Pete, you can't say that. Kings Lynn were on a very bad run and York were in my opinion were only on top due to most games played. I am not saying the league will not promote KL and York, but with a quarter of the season still to play, I think it is unfair to teams below. If we were top the league would be voided. I say write this season off and start again.
With the virus situation I could not see any football in our league before June , well into July before promotion would be decided .Mick
A month break before the new season would not be acceptable to many part-timers I don't think .
What ever formula they use relegation is easy . don't think Blyth or BPA would contest relegation .
Promotion ? I suspect Lynn will stand aside and reject promotion . in the current situation I don't think many teams will be keen on promotion . " Write of the season and start again " I think in our league most teams (and your bookie ) ;)would vote for that .
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If you stop the 19-20 season now, when do you start the 20-21 one? I wouldn't assume we would be ready to start it in August...
I'd have competed this season at all costs,even if it took 8 months to restart and totally binned off 2020/1 and start up again in August 2021.
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Doing the maths... whethe you use overal PPG or a split home/away PPG for remaining games, the table finishes KL, York, BUFC.
Only differences between the 2 are KL losing 1/3 of a point (as they have more away games left), and us gaining a point (due to having more home games left).
If you compare both North and South, we have the 5th best PPG record. This might be crucial if for some reason they have to promote an extra team at this step.
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I'm with you Josh!
I think it is fine to curtail next season by say only playing each team once or having a two mini-leagues of 11 and play-offs to see who goes up and down as everybody would know what they were getting into before they start. Whereas even a month ago nobody was talking about stopping this season early so it just seems wrong to do it.
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This whole debate's only happening because the FA / leagues had no plan in place. Obviously they couldn't have predicted this precise pandemic but pandemics in general are inevitable. It's much easier to agree on a policy when everyone's on zero points than most of the way through a season. They'll face legal challenges whatever they do now.
Anyway, we are where we are. I'm in the 'start again when we can' camp, even if that means large changes to playing staff over the summer, but am open minded. There's a decent chance that season 2020/21 will be interrupted by another lockdown during the coming winter so we might not be able to finish that season on time if we try to start again in August. If we do carry on this season and finish it in October (say) then the leagues should arrange a one-off cup competition (with groups to guarantee a minimum number of games) in the spring of 2021 to see us through to the summer.
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Whatever the outcome i have to conclude my Jam Jar collection so if anyone has one on the go could you please just let me know on here and I will make arrangements to collect when that is possible. As you are aware the money is for the TVs on the concourses, I stress on the concourses so only the fans many who have supported me can enjoy. At the present time with work on the stadium suspended it is clear there could be problems ahead regarding having it ready for resumption of play, but with little chance of using York Street again every effort will have to be made and all donations made to help get us in there. So I will be donating the £3,500 I have banked as soon as it can be done and any further jam jar donations will be used for something else, how about two chestnut trees at the entrance to the site one called David and one called Neil?. Please everyone stay safe and God willing we will all meet again soon. UTP
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I'm with you Josh!
I think it is fine to curtail next season by say only playing each team once or having a two mini-leagues of 11 and play-offs to see who goes up and down as everybody would know what they were getting into before they start. Whereas even a month ago nobody was talking about stopping this season early so it just seems wrong to do it.
Just have a one off mini league of teams in the east Midlands and call it the east Midlands sometimes floodlit league!
Us
Forest
Notts
Lincoln
Posh
Grimsby
Scunny
Leicester
Derby
Chesterfield
Mansfield
Burton
Alfreton
Lynn
Kettering
There you go 14 teams
Mixed standard
Play home and away
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The National league I would suggest did not take this step without consulting all members , There appears to be no protests from clubs so it seems like that they were in overall agreement with a plan outlined as to how to conclude the season . I think that most followers of the game prefer to stick to tradition , although whatever it is done we have to accept not everyone will be happy . I don't really see many fans accepting mini-seasons or competitions against what would be against EFL youth teams . We have to make the best of what is a one off happening . and next season kick-off the season in the normal format as near as possible .
The most important point missed is, FINANCE ! Ultimately the arrangement will have the satisfy the league sponsors , the league , the clubs need to retain sponsors, and last but not least players and their agents . I suspect most clubs require the time to devise a plan of survival .
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Could we not finish this seasons games when we are able with no promotion or relegation and then carry on next season adding points for both seasons together for promotion and relegation the next season. This would then not penalize this years standings. If it was possible start playing again a week or two before the normal start to the season.
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Could we not finish this seasons games when we are able with no promotion or relegation and then carry on next season adding points for both seasons together for promotion and relegation the next season. This would then not penalize this years standings. If it was possible start playing again a week or two before the normal start to the season.
Don't see the point in that idea , eg BPA could win the most points next season and not get promoted , surely we want the best team to get promoted .
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I heard an option being talked about that if the current season is scrapped then next season teams will start with a handicap - along the lines of KL & York starting on plus 10 points - working backwards to BPA starting on zero.
TEP
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It might not quite be over yet (for our sake let's hope it isn't!) - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52048930
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It might not quite be over yet (for our sake let's hope it isn't!) - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52048930
In our case would we have a ground to play on ? If an extension was imposed I think some clubs in our league would withdraw due to financial reasons .
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Could we not finish this seasons games when we are able with no promotion or relegation and then carry on next season adding points for both seasons together for promotion and relegation the next season. This would then not penalize this years standings. If it was possible start playing again a week or two before the normal start to the season.
Don't see the point in that idea , eg BPA could win the most points next season and not get promoted , surely we want the best team to get promoted .
It happens in other countries, where titles and relegations are decided over average points over multiple seasons.
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"All football below National League to end" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052351 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52052351)
All results expunged - no promotion or relegation - which presumably implies no relegation from our league?
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This is all very confusing Chris B. Obviously they are not ruling out a possibility of concluding NLN. However there won't be any promotion from the feeder leagues e.g. Tamworth unless teams fold. That, sadly, could happen.
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I guess the further down the pyramid you go the easier it is to just void a season - less money involved. I think eventually the authorities will start to realise this season won’t be able to be completed.
Wuhan is still under lockdown and that’s been the best part of 4 months, we’ve only been in it a couple of days. I can’t see how this season will be completed without rejigging next season as well - something I don’t think thy will do. I’m gutted but coming to terms with the fact that I’ll never watch us play at York Street again.
It’s crazy to think that just a couple of weeks ago a full Premier League program would have gone ahead - the only thing that stopped it was Arteta being diagnosed.
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A good post BostonGoals. 100% agree with you unfortunately. Blame Forest's owner for shaking hands with Arteta.
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According to bbc national league fixtures are to be completed including north and south.
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I guess the further down the pyramid you go the easier it is to just void a season - less money involved. I think eventually the authorities will start to realise this season won’t be able to be completed.
Wuhan is still under lockdown and that’s been the best part of 4 months, we’ve only been in it a couple of days. I can’t see how this season will be completed without rejigging next season as well - something I don’t think thy will do. I’m gutted but coming to terms with the fact that I’ll never watch us play at York Street again.
It’s crazy to think that just a couple of weeks ago a full Premier League program would have gone ahead - the only thing that stopped it was Arteta being diagnosed.
Fully agree , First and foremost the virus situation will be the decide if the games can commence . Following that the North and South league teams will demand funding to participate . And even after that I go along with Kirtonian's suggestion teams will elect to resign due to finances .
PS If the season is extended would YS be available ?.
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Just reading about Vauxhall Motors, have to feel sorry for them. They'd already secured enough points this season to secure promotion, mathematically they were already up. But their season has been declared null and void and they stay in the same league.
That example though is precisely the reason why the points from this campaign have to count for something - either see out the existing campaign late or carry over points into next season.
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Just a thought,
All clubs will have players out of contract May, June and July.
If the League runs past April some clubs might have limited squads.
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Just reading about Vauxhall Motors, have to feel sorry for them. They'd already secured enough points this season to secure promotion, mathematically they were already up. But their season has been declared null and void and they stay in the same league.
That example though is precisely the reason why the points from this campaign have to count for something - either see out the existing campaign late or carry over points into next season.
That way next seasons best team would probably miss out on promotion . And the demoted teams from Nat Con how would they stand ?
Instead of having one season with an unsatisfactory conclusion we would end up with 2 consecutive seasons with unsatisfactory conclusions .
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I understand there is an issue with contracts for non-league clubs/players and of course finance issues for clubs with no income but we surely have to restart this season when we can.
Next season doesn't matter, it hasn't started yet. If this goes on until Sept/Oct lets re-start then. Next season can be worked out once this one is finished. There is no guarantee that that would be able to start as normal in August anyway.
It might be slightly selfish because we've a fair chance of going up but for me that makes the most sense. Will clubs refund us for going to games which no longer 'exist'? Will fines clubs have had to pay this season be refunded to them as the season is void?! The FA Cup is still going of course so we can keep hold of that prize money!
On an even more selfish view point next season will be a bit more of a bore for fans as we'll be playing exactly the same teams, no promotions/relegations with no new towns/grounds to visit.
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It would be great to finish the season off. 8)
A real morale booster in these strange times 8) :)
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My "new" team Norwich United were in 2nd place in the Eastern Counties League Premier Division which would have warranted a play off game with the bottom club from the Isthmian Division One (North). OK, not clear cut as South Shields, Jersey, Stowmarket Town, etc but Coronavirus has denied us an opportunity to progress up the pyramid after a really good curtailed season. Really gutted but hope that BUFC can finish the season with better news!
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Season suspended indefinitely. Any chance we could find one or two goal scorers during the lay off.
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Interesting thought......if the EFL is declared void for 19/20.....have Bury fans a reason to be excited?
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National League to vote on ending the season now according to the BBC....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52189058
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National League to vote on ending the season now according to the BBC....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52189058
Absolutely load of crap, the season should end across all football full stop.
You cant have promotion and relegation playoffs without the other leagues above and below doing the same, and that then obviously has the same knock on effect through the whole football pyramid.
The premier league's token of money is a complete joke, it just shows how arrogant and out of touch they are with non league clubs, £2 million quid to be shared out across the national league, that's £13,636 for every club in our league.
They no doubt spend that kind of money on a dinner function.
A f××××ing disgrace.
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Agree. There is something fundamentally wrong in voiding an entire season after the majority of it has been played. Promotion and relegation should then be decided upon by committee taking into account points per game and the willingness of clubs to accept promotion. You will always upset a few teams but this current situation is just rewarding losers. Teams at the top mostly want to and should progress, teams at the bottom are not up to that divisions standard and teams in the middle don't really care if the season is voided as make no difference to them. The FA should hang their heads in shame as how, morally, can they not promote at least unbeaten teams like Stowmarket Town and Jersey Bulls from their respective leagues?
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National League to vote on ending the season now according to the BBC....
That's us not going up then.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52189058
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An easy decision under the circumstances . If obt is correct with his £13k compo for our clubs it fully vindicates it is the right decision . I suspect the NC realise with that amount if the league restarted it would finish up in worse mess than ever with clubs crippled by lack on finance and withdrawing half way through the remaining fixtures . I think some clubs will be looking to drop down the pyramid and others would not accept promotion . An interesting close season with players nationwide looking for a potential employer .
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13k won't even pay the wages for a fortnight.
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13k won't even pay the wages for a fortnight.
It's a disgrace, and it really shows what the Premiership thinks of non league football.