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The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Ed Kandii on March 02, 2020, 06:33:16 PM
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A policy of early aggressive containment is a possible outcome of today's Cobra meeting. It appears to be working to reduce covid 19 infection rates in China, but the country has been completely locked down and that's not likely to happen over here at the moment.
However there could be advisory/compulsory limits on the numbers of people gathering to watch sporting events etc. Apparently legislation is expected.
Worrying times :-\ :-\:-\
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Not for Kings Lynn it ain’t. 😁
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The rumours are limits no more than crowds of 1000 . I can see Cheltenham racing off next week.
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10 teams in our league currently averaging over 1000 crowds. Southport are on 999!
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Boris has pushed peak coronavirus back to May/June ??? to avoid overloading the NHS so, if he's right, we should be OK for the rest of the season. 8)
If he's wrong, and we see an exponential rise in the number of cases, they will introduce the new measures.
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Another cobra meeting today after the 3rd UK death from covid 19.
Also a meeting of the DCMS to discuss the effect of sports events being held behind closed doors as in the Italian Series A.
The liklihood of this happening here has allegedly moved from possible to probable. :-\
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My lefty bordering on communist mate, visits certain websites. Not the websites which would prompt a visit from plod I must add :D.
Last November on a Chinese website, they were concerned about a man made virus escaping from a lab in Wuhan province.
He tried to find the article since and it had been deleted. I think that as usual Joe public is only being told a few facts. I am not saying this is man made, but things are more serious than is being told. Italy has a death rate of nearly 5%, but this could be lower due to people showing no signs.
Anyway worrying times ahead.
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Thats interesting Dipodah, as in the USA certain experts, who for decades have advocated against the development and use of bioweapons, suspect COVID-19 is a weaponized pathogen that escaped from Wuhan City’s Biosafety Level 4 facility, which was specifically set up to research coronaviruses and SARS
They think the COVID-19 virus is a chimera. It includes SARS, an already weaponized coronavirus, along with HIV genetic material and possibly flu virus. It also has a 'gain of function' property that allow it to spread a greater distance than a normal virus.
Personally I prefer the bat soup theory ;)
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Thats interesting Dipodah, as in the USA certain experts, who for decades have advocated against the development and use of bioweapons, suspect COVID-19 is a weaponized pathogen that escaped from Wuhan City’s Biosafety Level 4 facility, which was specifically set up to research coronaviruses and SARS
They think the COVID-19 virus is a chimera. It includes SARS, an already weaponized coronavirus, along with HIV genetic material and possibly flu virus. It also has a 'gain of function' property that allow it to spread a greater distance than a normal virus.
Personally I prefer the bat soup theory ;)
I saw an undercover video of Wuhan market, taken by an animal rights campaigner. I will not go into detail, but the scenes were shocking. You could easily see due to lack of hygiene, and the slaughtering of animals in public, how such a virus came into being.
I see Sky and BT will not be able to broadcast into pubs and clubs if a spectator ban comes into force.
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PSG v Borussia Dortmund is now behind closed doors on Wednesday :o
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I am considering the dubious possibility that it’s the monkey in Africa to blame. He gets the blame for most things so why not this, despite the fact he hasn’t been to China.
As for controlling crowds at sporting events, I have a season ticket so will be ok. Anyway providing everyone stays 2 yards apart should be ok as well. Will certainly make the ground look full. 🤧
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Cobra meeting today, looks like we are moving on to delayment of the virus. Looks like we may not be able to finish the league. What happens then? I think all games will be null and void, and this season will deleted from the record books.
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I think all games will be null and void, and this season will deleted from the record books.
Is there a Duckworth-Lewis-Stern equivalent in football?
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I see that two of the Six nations Rugby games have been postponed, only Wales v Scotland is going ahead.
They are saying that they might not be able to conclude the championship until May.
I say conclude it after Saturday, the result of the match in Cardiff has no bearing on the outcome of the championship, so just void the result and start again next year.
Most of players will be outside of the contracted international window anyway after Sunday, their respective clubs will probably not release them anyway.
Many of the fans would have made other plans or have other commitments.
Sometimes things just happen, and you have to take it on the chin.
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I am considering the dubious possibility that it’s the monkey in Africa to blame. He gets the blame for most things so why not this, despite the fact he hasn’t been to China.
As for controlling crowds at sporting events, I have a season ticket so will be ok. Anyway providing everyone stays 2 yards apart should be ok as well. Will certainly make the ground look full. 🤧
I blame it on Brexit, and if it's not that it's definitely Global Warming ;D :P
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I am considering the dubious possibility that it’s the monkey in Africa to blame. He gets the blame for most things so why not this, despite the fact he hasn’t been to China.
As for controlling crowds at sporting events, I have a season ticket so will be ok. Anyway providing everyone stays 2 yards apart should be ok as well. Will certainly make the ground look full. 🤧
I blame it on Brexit, and if it's not that it's definitely Global Warming ;D :P
Greta Thunberg will probably blame it on the inconsiderate older generation polluting the air with their coughing and spluttering. :)
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Monkeys, Brexit, climate change, Greta Thingamebob and the older generation. That must be enough to have a referendum. And if that doesn’t go our way we can winge winge and winge even more until we get the culprit we want.
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The Chief Scientific Officer, and the Chief Medical Officer, have figured out that if thousands of people gather together for a couple of hours it will not make any difference to the spread of the virus.
46 other countries, and the WHO, disagree with them ??? ??? :-\
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All professional matches off. How does that effect us?
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No mention of suspending non league games on Sky News, so it looks like Amity Island beach is still open for business. :o
Herd immunity is the goal according to the chief science officer, so a generation of golden oldies become shark bait ???
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Weed us old buggers out, we've served our purpose.
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No mention of suspending non league games on Sky News, so it looks like Amity Island beach is still open for business. :o
Herd immunity is the goal according to the chief science officer, so a generation of golden oldies become shark bait ???
Blimey, I could have the entire Spayne Road terrace to myself by the end of the season then (if the season is allowed to finish). :P
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According to National League website it's game on this weekend.
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GAME OFF
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If the game's off, does this mean we count as “elite football�
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Chester FC have postponed this unilaterally. The "guff" is about protecting their local supporters. Really??? I believe an examination of their injury/suspension list might possibly reveal the true reason. They were beaten by league whipping boys Bradford PA in their last fixture. Their management team are, how shall I put this, street-wise. No doubt Craig will voice no criticism. He loves all the opposing dug-outs.
UTP
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Emergency legislation next week to ban all gatherings of 500+ people.
They were talking about this over two weeks ago, but decided to listen to the science. Now that events are driving policy, it looks like the herd immunity experiment could be shelved in favour of lock down, maybe two weeks too late. ???
As far as football goes there's going to be so many people self-isolating soon you'd struggle to get a five a side game on. :-\
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Emergency legislation next week to ban all gatherings of 500+ people.
They were talking about this over two weeks ago, but decided to listen to the science. Now that events are driving policy, it looks like the herd immunity experiment could be shelved in favour of lock down, maybe two weeks too late. ???
As far as football goes there's going to be so many people self-isolating soon you'd struggle to get a five a side game on. :-\
Especially when the NHS are handling out 2 week sick notes with no consultation, have you been to Italy? "Yes" here is a sick note!
No evidence of travel required, l bet that won't be taken advantage off.
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If they've called it contrary to National League policy, then surely they should forfeit the match.
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Good point. If they are contravening fa rules then they should forfeit the points. If they already have a case of Corona in the camp I can understand it but without that I think they are technically in the wrong.
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Good point. If they are contravening fa rules then they should forfeit the points. If they already have a case of Corona in the camp I can understand it but without that I think they are technically in the wrong.
Yes surely no different than if there's a pitch inspection and referee says game on and Chester say they don't agree and call it off.
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Good point. If they are contravening fa rules then they should forfeit the points. If they already have a case of Corona in the camp I can understand it but without that I think they are technically in the wrong.
Yes surely no different than if there's a pitch inspection and referee says game on and Chester say they don't agree and call it off.
Are you comparing a global pandemic to a waterlogged pitch??
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Good point. If they are contravening fa rules then they should forfeit the points. If they already have a case of Corona in the camp I can understand it but without that I think they are technically in the wrong.
Yes surely no different than if there's a pitch inspection and referee says game on and Chester say they don't agree and call it off.
Are you comparing a global pandemic to a waterlogged pitch??
Obviously this is far more serious however if the authorities say game on can the club over rule ?
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Bromley v Chorley now postponed after someone on the Chorley team bus developed symptoms on the way to the game. Not sure how far they'd travelled, but presumably everyone else on the bus now has to travel back to Chorley in close proximity to someone who may, have the virus. It'll be very difficult to isolate in those circumstances, and this is precisely the reason why the National League needed to follow the precedent set by just about every other league concerned. If others within the Chorley party now go down with the virus then surely positions on the National League management committee must become untenable?
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I'm not saying that the poor guy has not got any symptoms, but postponing the match helps Chorley. If the season has been declared null and void, then Chorley will not be relegated. Perhaps it's the cynic in me ;)
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Good point. If they are contravening fa rules then they should forfeit the points. If they already have a case of Corona in the camp I can understand it but without that I think they are technically in the wrong.
Yes surely no different than if there's a pitch inspection and referee says game on and Chester say they don't agree and call it off.
Are you comparing a global pandemic to a waterlogged pitch??
Obviously this is far more serious however if the authorities say game on can the club over rule ?
They can apply to have the game postponed, and then the league says yes or no. I doubt any leagues will say no to a postponement this weekend.
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Oxo stuck in Spain, confined to his room. We had better be prepared for the same in the near future. I have a bad feeling that we may have seen our last ever game at York street. I can't see this league lasting much longer. :(
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Oxo grounded
How many other Pilgrims out there self-isolating with the symptoms? ???
I've been locked down since Thursday! :o
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Apparently there are plans to quarantine the over 70s in their homes for 4 months. Could be fake news, but, if true, it would ensure that there's a good crowd for the new ground next season (assuming the pandemic has abated) :police:
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Oxo grounded
How many other Pilgrims out there self-isolating with the symptoms? ???
I've been locked down since Thursday! :o
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I left SE Spain (visiting nephew) by train on Tuesday, coming home via Barcelona and Paris (nights in each), so am keeping out of people's way for a bit - and particularly not visiting my 91-year-old parents in Boston until I know I didn't get anything. OK so far. May have got out of Spain in time.....
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Let's hope so Oakham, good luck!
Unfortunately all the precautions I took over the last 6 weeks haven't worked and I'm stuck here in isolation for at least 7 days.
Not sure if I've got it or just a flu bug, I'll probably never know as they're not testing self-isolators.
The symptoms are on a different scale to any cold I've had before, and I had the flu jab in November :police:
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Looks like crowds to be limited to 500. I can see problems concerning promotion and relegation in all leagues. Lots of legal stuff to follow I fear.
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From tomorrow mass gatherings will no longer be supported by emergency services... how will that impact on tomorrow's game?
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From tomorrow mass gatherings will no longer be supported by emergency services... how will that impact on tomorrow's game?
Safety certificate null and void, and no game??
Although I think it means there is no guarantee of onsite precautionary presence of emergency services at events. We never have an ambulance on stand by at games, and usually the only Police is Simon Oswin (club's Police liaison officer, and serving anti-social behaviour officer).
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I see Kl match off tonight.
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I see Kl match off tonight.
Was called off yesterday, with some of the Gloucester squad in self-isolation with corona-like symptoms.
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From tomorrow mass gatherings will no longer be supported by emergency services... how will that impact on tomorrow's game?
Safety certificate null and void, and no game??
Although I think it means there is no guarantee of onsite precautionary presence of emergency services at events. We never have an ambulance on stand by at games, and usually the only Police is Simon Oswin (club's Police liaison officer, and serving anti-social behaviour officer).
Not too clear, but don't we have a club doctor attending games, as well as the St John's volunteer first aiders?
Anything major would be a 999 call, surely they're not saying an ambulance wouldn't attend?
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Season suspended, that's pretty clear.
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From tomorrow mass gatherings will no longer be supported by emergency services... how will that impact on tomorrow's game?
Safety certificate null and void, and no game??
Although I think it means there is no guarantee of onsite precautionary presence of emergency services at events. We never have an ambulance on stand by at games, and usually the only Police is Simon Oswin (club's Police liaison officer, and serving anti-social behaviour officer).
Not too clear, but don't we have a club doctor attending games, as well as the St John's volunteer first aiders?
Anything major would be a 999 call, surely they're not saying an ambulance wouldn't attend?
Club doctor and St Johns are organised by the club, wouldn't be a problem.
I'm pretty sure they would attend a 999 call, but they won't provide precautionary services, as they will be needed for actual emergencies.
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Its irrelevant at the moment of course, but out of interest, how does it work with these 'precautionary services'?
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Its irrelevant at the moment of course, but out of interest, how does it work with these 'precautionary services'?
It's as simple as having an ambulance on standby at an event. I imagine the London marathon has ambulances stationed at several points during the course to cater for emergencies, rather than having to call 999 and wait for them to arrive.
Another example is having a police presence inside the ground.
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Schools closed from Friday and for the foreseeable future, exams cancelled.
Glasto gone, Eastenders ended, Eurovision nil points... where's it all going to end?
A resumption of the season on 3rd April was never going to happen.
The National League North Committee need a Skype meeting to figure out what they are going to do now.
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Schools closed from Friday and for the foreseeable future, exams cancelled.
Glasto gone, Eastenders ended, Eurovision nil points... where's it all going to end?
A resumption of the season on 3rd April was never going to happen.
The National League North Committee need a Skype meeting to figure out what they are going to do now.
I'd be happy for the season to be cancelled to be honest. Go again next season. Yes, I know we were third.... but you'll annoy clubs no matter what you do.
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I wish we were 3rd Pete. My ew bet would be up.
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Is there a Liverpool fan you really don't like Pete?
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I don't think Liverpool should win the premier league title. But I think they should get a trophy in recognition of their great season.
I think it should be called victorious and recognition trophy. Or VAR for short. :D :D
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Schools closed from Friday and for the foreseeable future, exams cancelled.
Glasto gone, Eastenders ended, Eurovision nil points... where's it all going to end?
A resumption of the season on 3rd April was never going to happen.
The National League North Committee need a Skype meeting to figure out what they are going to do now.
I'd be happy for the season to be cancelled to be honest. Go again next season. Yes, I know we were third.... but you'll annoy clubs no matter what you do.
Shall not miss Agro Enders, the worst programme on the TV.
Loads of aggressive southerners, fighting each other with their mouths.
Cor blimey govner, you woodnt adam and eve it.
I truly believe that they employ actors on there, that can't get work anywhere else.
Like the football season, let's just end it there, but for good in the case of eastenders.
I think that all the rude greedy and selfish shoppers that have been acting disgracefully since the Covid 19 breakout, have taken their people skills and manners from that good forsaken programme.
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12 weeks before the tide turns on Covid 19 according to the Prime Minister, and thats assuming people follow the social distancing advice.
Best case scenario would give us around 12 days before the lease expires at York Street, so a very remote possibility of one last game there. Million to one against the way its going so far, with many not following the advice. :-\
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Schools closed from Friday and for the foreseeable future, exams cancelled.
Glasto gone, Eastenders ended, Eurovision nil points... where's it all going to end?
A resumption of the season on 3rd April was never going to happen.
The National League North Committee need a Skype meeting to figure out what they are going to do now.
I'd be happy for the season to be cancelled to be honest. Go again next season. Yes, I know we were third.... but you'll annoy clubs no matter what you do.
Shall not miss Agro Enders, the worst programme on the TV.
Loads of aggressive southerners, fighting each other with their mouths.
Cor blimey govner, you woodnt adam and eve it.
I truly believe that they employ actors on there, that can't get work anywhere else.
Like the football season, let's just end it there, but for good in the case of eastenders.
I think that all the rude greedy and selfish shoppers that have been acting disgracefully since the Covid 19 breakout, have taken their people skills and manners from that good forsaken programme.
It's 10 years or more since I watched it :o has it got that bad?
That scouser soap was the worst one I ever watched :police:
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12 weeks before the tide turns on Covid 19 according to the Prime Minister, and thats assuming people follow the social distancing advice.
Best case scenario would give us around 12 days before the lease expires at York Street, so a very remote possibility of one last game there. Million to one against the way its going so far, with many not following the advice. :-\
I imagine the plan was/is to move into the new stadium in August and play July friendly matches away from home. However home league / playoff matches could likely be scheduled for July now. Hopefully will be able to get a 1 month or so extension on York Street if needed.
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An extension of the lease may be a possibility if a buyer hasn't been found by June; the ground hasn't been sold off yet, according to rumours.
The ownership is allegedly in transition/dispute at the moment, so it might be difficult to get all parties to agree.
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I heard the same rumour.
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What about a short-term ground share with Town if needed?
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I would be happy with that. Also much needed funds for our neighbours.
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I’m guess there must be one in place in case we got promoted the new ground probably won’t be allowed due to segregation issues.
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What about a short-term ground share with Town if needed?
Not up to Conference North standards. Not enough seats (can only be a couple of hundred), only a single turnstile, not enough toilet facilities, etc.
I’m guess there must be one in place in case we got promoted the new ground probably won’t be allowed due to segregation issues.
I imagine we'll be requesting a couple of away games to start the season. The end seating block hold 336, this could be given to away fans in the short term.
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Pubs shut from today :o
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Coronavirus job retention scheme created... 80% of salary paid by government, vat suspension measures to be put in place... unprecedented :o :o
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And because Oxo is stranded they've put the season on hold until he can return. The influence that man wields!!
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I imagine we'll be requesting a couple of away games to start the season.
We'll request it. League will ignore it. First game of the season we'll be at home to Spennymoor, the pitch won't quite be ready and the match will be postponed to midweek. Their fans will complain about the money they've already spent on chalets in Skegness. It'll get talked about on social media forever.
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And because Oxo is stranded they've put the season on hold until he can return. The influence that man wields!!
Back now Woody although I much preferred isolating on the hotel balcony. Keep well me old mate.
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Delighted you're back with us Oxo. I left SE Spain 10 days or so ago when there seemed to be no crisis there at all. We must compare experiences when we're next allowed to meet. Keep well everyone.
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Boris has pushed peak coronavirus back to May/June ??? to avoid overloading the NHS so, if he's right, we should be OK for the rest of the season. 8)
If he's wrong, and we see an exponential rise in the number of cases, they will introduce the new measures.
This was posted only a couple of weeks ago and now look at the state of the country :o
May/June now reads March/April, with the infection numbers massively understated due to minimal testing.
Its going to be a bumpy ride so keep yer heads down Pilgrims :-\
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How stupid are people? Skegness and Hunstanton bursting at the seams Yesterday. Mosques full to capacity in London for Friday prayers. Tesco today like a war zone ( I know my wife works there. )
All of us at risk because people have not got their head around how serious this is. Idiots are putting my family at risk. What part of social distancing do they not understand? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Butlins is shut but the other caravan parks are reportedly mainly open and doing good business in the sunshine.
Its a country-wide situation, the London parks were busy yesterday.
I expect the lock down will be extended as people need protecting from themselves and the greed of others.
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All McDonald's restaurants are to completely close from today.
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Messaging a friend who runs a school in South Korea yesterday. They were locked down for two weeks but now the school is open. They have to wear the masks but things are slowly returning to normal.
Key differences to the UK approach appear to be :
The South Koreans have the capability to community test 20k people per day, and they started doing that in February as they were one of the first countries to get it. ( Total number of UK tests as of March 20th 65k)
Any positive results were quarantined, all their recent activities were analysed and all contacts traced using credit card history and mobile phone data. All these contacts were tested and quarantined where necessary.
They had a total shutdown lasting 2 weeks.
In the UK we have very limited testing capability, its increasing but still nowhere near what's needed. You still cannot get a test despite last week's announcements of 25k per day capability being rolled out. Maybe thats why they looked at the herd immunity option. From the first announcements at Cobra 1 it looked like a government hiding behind the science and delaying the difficult decisions.
A big difference between the UK and South Korea of course, and you would never get people to surrender mobile phone data and credit cards over here, but the recent 'bank holiday weekend' mentality, and the delays, could mean we are heading for an Italy+++ situation unless they move fast.
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Well said Ed. Scary is an understatement. Ban all gatherings, no matter who it offends. Stop dithering, no more advising and lock down before we have a Spanish flu type death rate.
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That’s the way in my opinion. Hit the crisis hard. Anybody who shows complete disregard of the rules and puts other people’s lives at risk should be shot. That’s probably why I’m not Prime Minister. Stand tall Boris. Make the hard decisions. Complete lockdown and a decree that Boston United have won the league and get promoted.
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Lock-down apart from the construction industry according to Robert Jenrick, Secretary of state for Housing.
He needs his patio finished off :o
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Lock-down apart from the construction industry according to Robert Jenrick, Secretary of state for Housing.
He needs his patio finished off :o
Looks like work on the new stadium has now been shut down and the site made safe.
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Lock-down apart from the construction industry according to Robert Jenrick, Secretary of state for Housing.
He needs his patio finished off :o
Looks like work on the new stadium has now been shut down and the site made safe.
Looks to me Pete we are very close to shut down on the pitch for National League teams .
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Boris confirmed as testing positive for covid 19 :o
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If that’s right I think the chancellor could take his place but he seems to have his hands full at the moment.
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Apparently Dominic Raab will take over if the Prime Minister is unable to continue. He's OK at the moment with just mild symptoms. My experience was mild symptoms to begin with, 3 days of sore throat and a slight temperature, followed by a much higher temperature, coughing, and struggling for breath. I didn't do much during the second part, but I'm out of quarantine now ;D
Just heard Health Secretary Matt Hancock has also got it :o
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Apparently Dominic Raab will take over if the Prime Minister is unable to continue. He's OK at the moment with just mild symptoms. My experience was mild symptoms to begin with, 3 days of sore throat and a slight temperature, followed by a much higher temperature, coughing, and struggling for breath. I didn't do much during the second part, but I'm out of quarantine now ;D
Just heard Health Secretary Matt Hancock has also got it :o
Pleased to hear you are on the mend.
Let's hope that most people get through this like yourself.
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Thanks obt :police:
Let's hope the PM gets through this.
Key tests are being carried out today at Porton Down, and the results will determine the lockdown exit strategy.
Apparently up to 50% of the population may be asymptomatic carriers :o
The scientists at Porton Down have been working on this since January, so hopefully their results will help the government put together an exit strategy.
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With things getting no better, or even getting worse if you take in an estimated 8500 non hospital deaths. I cannot see spectator sports making a return anytime in 2020.
I think the government has brought in a herd immunity scheme. They want 80% of the population to get the virus. The theory being that the virus would then eradicate itself. Why else would our borders be open with no checks on entry. Why else would they allow the Cheltenham festival with 250,000 spectators take place.
I thought the government was doing an okay job in these difficult times. But now things are starting to surface. PPE or the lack of it. Why did we send China our surplus supplies of PPE? I have a very bad feeling that we will have the highest death rate in Europe. Maybe my first statement contradicts itself, maybe they will bring spectator sports back this year. But as much as I miss watching the lads, would you feel safe?
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I have a very bad feeling that we will have the highest death rate in Europe.
Looks about right Dipodah... but we're all encouraged to go back to work despite a daily death rate of 400+.
Its not going to to go away anytime soon, but can we adapt to the new covid reality and regain some semblance of normality, without hitting a second, super-size sombrero? ???
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I have a very bad feeling that we will have the highest death rate in Europe.
Looks about right Dipodah... but we're all encouraged to go back to work despite a daily death rate of 400+.
Its not going to to go away anytime soon, but can we adapt to the new covid reality and regain some semblance of normality, without hitting a second, super-size sombrero? ???
Not a prediction I am happy to admit to Ed. On a brighter note, I was reading somewhere that if you take deaths per million, we come about fifth. I see the government has stopped using the comparison graph.
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I have a very bad feeling that we will have the highest death rate in Europe.
Looks about right Dipodah... but we're all encouraged to go back to work despite a daily death rate of 400+.
Its not going to to go away anytime soon, but can we adapt to the new covid reality and regain some semblance of normality, without hitting a second, super-size sombrero? ???
Not a prediction I am happy to admit to Ed. On a brighter note, I was reading somewhere that if you take deaths per million, we come about fifth. I see the government has stopped using the comparison graph.
As always I take on the advice you offer Dip . I am collecting an order of facemasks for the family today . I hold the same fears as you Mick , I will not take up the offer of going on golf courses for a time yet .
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505 deaths per million, so we're the fourth worst performing country in the world after Belgium, Spain and Italy.
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505 deaths per million, so we're the fourth worst performing country in the world after Belgium, Spain and Italy.
Very sad Pete.
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I have to say, that in many food manufacturing companies in Lincolnshire, that the majority have not protected their shop floor worker's adequately.
No 2 meter segregation,no face masks, agency workers travelling together in Van's, sitting next to each other.
Delivery drivers allowed to exchange paperwork with no gloves on.
Whilst salary workers are sent home to work or furloughed, the soldiers on the floor have been exposed terribly to the disease.
It has took weeks for some companies to start issuing the correct PPE to their employees.
Believe me it has been by pure luck only that food production operatives have not had a plague like outbreak between themselves.
Shocking really.
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What impact will the localised lockdowns yet have on the play-offs?
Centre of Leicester is now locked down for at least another two weeks - I believe Andi Thanoj lives in Leicester so this could impact on his ability to get to training / matches. Linked to this, unlikely that Leicester v Crystal Palace will take place in Leicester this weekend and may be moved to a neutral venue.
List of places circulating on line as "at risk" of similar measures because of COVID spikes - this includes part of Yorkshire - Doncaster, York and Wakefield. A lockdown in Doncaster could be damaging for us in terms of our training base, and presumably we will have players living in and around these towns. Could a lockdown in York jeopardise their home advantage in any play-off matches?
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What impact will the localised lockdowns yet have on the play-offs?
Centre of Leicester is now locked down for at least another two weeks - I believe Andi Thanoj lives in Leicester so this could impact on his ability to get to training / matches. Linked to this, unlikely that Leicester v Crystal Palace will take place in Leicester this weekend and may be moved to a neutral venue.
List of places circulating on line as "at risk" of similar measures because of COVID spikes - this includes part of Yorkshire - Doncaster, York and Wakefield. A lockdown in Doncaster could be damaging for us in terms of our training base, and presumably we will have players living in and around these towns. Could a lockdown in York jeopardise their home advantage in any play-off matches?
Local lockdown seem to be restricted to closing non-essential businesses and schools rather than limiting people's travel to and from Leicester, despite Hancock recommending against "all but essential travel". The rules are so muddled the police won't be able to enforce anything anyway.
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What impact will the localised lockdowns yet have on the play-offs?
List of places circulating on line as "at risk" of similar measures because of COVID spikes - this includes part of Yorkshire - Doncaster
You can add Skeg Vegas to the 'at risk' list after this 'bank holiday' weekend; hopefully they'll just lock Skeggy down and it won't affect Boston.
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Another Cobra meeting today.
Sounds like extremely bad news for most sports with the restrictions on numbers at events being looked at in the light of the rising infection rate.
Is it time for government to stop hiding behind the science (which could be wrong anyway), and make a political decision to keep businesses going?
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Just been announced fans returning to stadiums on October 1st will not go ahead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54246745
Really sad news, a lot of clubs at our level will now struggle to survive.
I wonder if the clubs have put anything into players contracts for this season to cover this?
Really don't think going to football is any more likely to spread Covid than pubs, cinemas etc that are allowed to open.
National League were saying we won't start league if without fans, so will they just postpone it until fans are allowed in? Could be months though. I assume we will still play FA cup match on Oct 3rd, behind closed doors. Bizarrely if we draw Gainsborough away 600 will all be allowed in the Northolme, if we get a home time will still be at Northolme but behind closed doors.
Anyone know how much revenue playoff streaming sales raised /viewing figures ? I watched both our matches and seemed like most Boston fans did. Not sure if that would be more viable than not starting season for months.
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Presumably if we draw any lower league team at home we could just switch the tie to their home ground and get some revenue from 50% of the gate?
In fact we should probably switch any home draw if allowed even against a team from our own level - there's no point on paying rent at the Northolme to pay a home game if there are no fans there - we might as well play at Alfreton or wherever?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54246745 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/54246745)
"Several months without fans" for elite sports. Under these circumstances I suppose the half dozen clubs in our league that don't go bust could start the season in March and play each other twice?
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I know keeping everyone safe is a priority.
But how many clubs will go bust, including full time ones.
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I am not surprised it has come to this. I am afraid a lot of people were under the impression the virus had gone away. The missus and I went for our yearly jaunt to Yarmouth last week. The place was heaving, and few masks being worn, with social distancing non existent. We rarely ventured out and felt unsafe.
I have been a big critic of the under 40's and their selfish attitude during this pandemic. I must say, what we saw it was all age groups and nationalities. To get back to normality, we all have to take responsibility.
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Guess this now depends on the viability of streaming. Will any income from that be enough to tide clubs over? If fans are completely ruled out until at least the spring then it may be easier just to consider a ‘freeze’ for this season, as much as that would be unpalatable.
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Not sure how they can freeze the season - clubs have players on contracts who will still need to be paid, and have no income.
IMO there needs to be Government support, because we have no TV deal to prop us up like the PL/EFL do - and go ahead with matches being streamed.
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Whilst I get the season cannot start without fans arguement this worked when originally the talk was about the whole of non league all starting at the same time with fans. Now all the leagues below us can have fans and are starting as normal. We currently can't however if we don't start and don't play at all this season (time frame of 6 months with current measures mentioned by which time it maybe too late to start this season) then could be no promotion from step 3 and below.
National League have to try and get fans back. If they can't then they just have to start with online streaming.
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Looks like we're among the majority of clubs that do not want the season to start without fans.
So it's either a season with streaming (if possible) or no season at all. Can't see there's much chance of any Governmental support being anywhere near what is required to subsidize this.
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Just announced on radio 5 live a deal appears to be done with the Government and the season will kick off as planned, no further info at the moment.
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£20 million to be distributed in the form of grants as opposed to loans which is good news and means we can play on Saturday and then start the league. Just need Premier League to match it (loose change for them)and things will look a lot rosier. UTP
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£20 million to be distributed in the form of grants as opposed to loans which is good news and means we can play on Saturday and then start the league. Just need Premier League to match it (loose change for them)and things will look a lot rosier. UTP
Good that the Government/ Tax payers have helped out.
Premiership clubs won't help out, they are to busy paying out multi millions on players.
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£20 million to be distributed in the form of grants as opposed to loans which is good news and means we can play on Saturday and then start the league. Just need Premier League to match it (loose change for them)and things will look a lot rosier. UTP
Good that the Government/ Tax payers have helped out.
Premiership clubs won't help out, they are to busy paying out multi millions on players.
If each prem player donated one week's wages to a fund to help grass roots football, £22,000000 is the amount quoted.
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Worrying times, one of our squad has tested positive for Covid 19.
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£20 million to be distributed in the form of grants as opposed to loans which is good news and means we can play on Saturday and then start the league. Just need Premier League to match it (loose change for them)and things will look a lot rosier. UTP
Good that the Government/ Tax payers have helped out.
Premiership clubs won't help out, they are to busy paying out multi millions on players.
If each prem player donated one week's wages to a fund to help grass roots football, £22,000000 is the amount quoted.
Wow that would be nice, but I don't think any of them will do it unless they get loads of publicity for it.
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Do you think that clubs who have loads of money in our league's should get financial support from the government.
Notts County for instance, they are boasting about signing two midfielders for 6 figure sums next week.
They are surely taking the P*ss.
If the amount of money we receive is based on attendances,then they will get a huge share of the bail out money.
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If the amount of money we receive is based on attendances,then they will get a huge share of the bail out money.
That's the idea, though. The money is to cover for the lack of gate receipts.
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There's talk of a 4 week lockdown after yesterday's Cobra.
JVT's been kicking ass.
Get it done now and then we might get some games over the Christmas break :police:
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There's talk of a 4 week lockdown after yesterday's Cobra.
JVT's been kicking ass.
Get it done now and then we might get some games over the Christmas break :police:
Schools and uni to be exempt. Im not a big fan of a lockdown but agree now is the time. As im a bigger fan of christmas
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Be careful out there guys. This damn covid is hitting United supporters very hard. Several supporters have got it, or had it, with various degrees of severity. One of our fans has lost his wife bless her RIP, and another is in the Pilgrim as I write this. Keep safe, it's took eight months, but it's here now with a vengeance.
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Be careful out there guys. This damn covid is hitting United supporters very hard. Several supporters have got it, or had it, with various degrees of severity. One of our fans has lost his wife bless her RIP, and another is in the Pilgrim as I write this. Keep safe, it's took eight months, but it's here now with a vengeance.
Forum member Qwerty has now gone down with it. He has been admitted to Pilgrim. Get well soon mate.
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Worrying news, hopefully a speedy recovery for Qwerty.
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According to Matt Warman East Lindsey will fall into the Tier 3 category at tomorrow's meeting, with infections at 400+ per 100k.
To be reviewed fortnightly, so a possibility of getting into a lower tier before the Christmas break. Its ripping through the area at the moment though, with care homes badly hit.
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Tier 3 confirmed.
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Any news on how Qwerty is?
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Any news on how Qwerty is?
All being well he could be out on Saturday. Fingers crossed.
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The EU throwing their weight about. Their vaccine rollout way behind the UK'S. WHO urging the UK to pause vaccinations after the vulnerable are injected, to divert vaccines to poorer countries. The world is in a mess, football should take a backseat in my opinion. Void the season and start a new one when it's safe to do so.
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Calls for Useless von der Leyen to resign from some German politicians.
Maybe we should offer to divert some of our vaccine to help out the EU once all our vulnerable are vaxxed, which should be around March/April time.
Trouble is, if Boris made an offer to help with the vaccinations in say Ireland, the way things are at the moment Stella Kyriakides would probably turn it down... not sure how that would play out with the member states :police:
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Consider what would have happened if the situation with vaccines had been reversed, and our Government had left us in the dire position that the EU finds itself in. At the moment there's talk of sending them vaccine when our vulnerable have all been vaxxed, and we already sent engineers to the Astrazenica plants in Belgium to help solve their production problems. Would they have been as eager to help us out considering all the talk of 'punishing' the UK for having the temerity to want to leave?
The EU should apply for membership of the UK, make an annual contribution to UK Treasury, and accept the supremacy of UK law as a gesture of good will. ;)
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Can all over 55s be vaccinated here first please?
:-\ (To ensure care for my disabled son who is not on the list).
Not easy decisions I know...
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We've just had ours this evening at The Sidings medical centre. Amazingly efficient, quick and painless system. Very impressive and congratulations to everyone involved.
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We've just had ours this evening at The Sidings medical centre. Amazingly efficient, quick and painless system. Very impressive and congratulations to everyone involved.
Had mine this morning there. Got to say the organization was top notch. gov may have made many mistakes but between them and the NHS the vaccine roll out as been impressive.
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Anyone know if Plan 'B' restrictions mean that we now need covid passes to get into the new stadium?
Maybe JVT himself is a Patterer ;) he would know! :police:
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Anyone know if Plan 'B' restrictions mean that we now need covid passes to get into the new stadium?
Maybe JVT himself is a Patterer ;) he would know! :police:
Im no expert on this, but Boris said today that a Pass would be needed to get into a "unseated outdoor venue with more than 4,000 people".
So, Im guessing its a NO.
If you need clarification I suggest that you contact the Club and ask.
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"From Wednesday, the NHS Covid Pass will also be required for visitors to nightclubs, indoor unseated venues with more than 500 people, unseated outdoor venues with more than 4,000 people and any event with more than 10,000 people"
We will not need to provide Covid eligibility to get into any Conference North stadium.
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I can see the season being curtailed, null and voided, cancelled or what ever suits the committee. Or whatever suits clubs with an agenda >:(
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I can see the season being curtailed, null and voided, cancelled or what ever suits the committee. Or whatever suits clubs with an agenda >:(
I can't see that happening. It might be more transmissible, but there's still no evidence that the new variant evades the vaccines to an extent that we'll need to re-enter a proper lockdown. Pfizer and BioTech seem fairly confident their vaccine affords very good protection, so I'm cautiously optimistic we won't need to progress to a Plan C.
Famous last words, of course!!
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Covid advice from the club for tomorrow:
- Masks to to be worn in Ellenders when not seated
- Masks to be worn in Club 85 when not seated
- Masks to be worn in the concourses if not eating/drinking
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With so many top flight games off over the weekend, is our match in doubt?
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They do tests on Thursdays at training, don't they? So if it was off from our side we'd surely know pretty soon this morning.
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I would assume they do LFTs first thing on a Saturday, too
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No pause in the Premier League season; hopefully we keep going too. Thirteen fit players and one goalkeeper is the minimum requirement apparently.
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Drakeford shuts down the Taffs :o :-\
Behind closed doors from Boxing Day.
Hopefully Boris holds his nerve despite today's high figures :police: :-\
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Is that for teams in the welsh league or teams with grounds in Wales as most of Chester's ground is in Wales?
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Anything this side of the border should be OK at the moment... does the border cross the field of play?
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According to Deva Chat their toilets are on the Welsh side :o
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according to google earth practically whole of ground is in wales
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Last time they were able to play games with a capped attendance, when the rest of the Welsh games were behind closed doors. B)
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If, as it appears, the Sage modellers were given an incorrect Omicron brief, then Drakeford and Sturgeon may have overreacted :o
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Last November on a Chinese website, they were concerned about a man made virus escaping from a lab in Wuhan province.
He tried to find the article since and it had been deleted. I think that as usual Joe public is only being told a few facts. I am not saying this is man made, but things are more serious than is being told. Italy has a death rate of nearly 5%, but this could be lower due to people showing no signs.
Anyway worrying times ahead.
Dipodah, there's been a couple of recent developments which shed more light on the possible origins of the virus :o
Following a lawsuit last month, various emails came out dating back to 2016, which make it clear that bat viruses were being sent to the Wuhan lab for research purposes in a joint Chinese/American project. Previously there's been a mystery as to how the bat virus arrived in Wuhan as the nearest bat colony is a thousand miles away.
More information emerged that in 2018 the American funded EcoHealth Alliance applied for a $14.2 million dollar grant to enable research into inserting a 12 letter segment into the virus's genetic structure. The Pentagon turned it down as it was deemed to be too dangerous. Trump would have been aware of this, but the Wuhan lab is mainly funded by the CCP so they may have gone ahead with it anyway.
A Dr Daszak heads up the EcoHealth Alliance and he played a leading role in trying to dismiss the lab-leak idea as a ‘conspiracy theory’, using his membership of the WHO-China investigation to support the far-fetched theory that the virus reached Wuhan on frozen food.
The truth is out there! :o :police:
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Lincolnshire hospitals declare a 'critical incident' as staff absences soar. In a leaked document, sent to staff at hospitals in Lincoln, Grantham, Boston and Louth, the Trust said it was ‘unable to maintain safe staffing levels’ causing ‘compromised care’.
The document appeared on Saturday evening and mentioned the Pilgrim Hospital in particular, so be careful out there fellow Pilgrims :police: