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Title: V Gloucester
Post by: Old boy thin on August 24, 2019, 02:21:10 PM
It’s 5️⃣ changes for the Pilgrims:

➡️ Middleton, Thanoj, Walker, Clare, Jackson;

⬅️ Byrne, Abbott, Rollins, Tuton, Thewlis.

#BUFC: 1 Crook, 2 Middleton, 3 Whittle, 4 Thanoj, 5 Ainge, 6 Shiels, 7 Walker, 8 Platt, 9 Clare, 10 Knowles, 11 Jackson. SUBS: 12 Byrne, 14 Adebayo-Smith, 15 Green, 16 Abbott, GK Willis.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Bodge on August 24, 2019, 03:28:47 PM
It’s going to be a really disappointing last season at York St.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: kingofnaves on August 24, 2019, 03:40:32 PM
I think many are starting to believe you Bodge
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: natmic 66 on August 24, 2019, 03:43:04 PM
Not sounding too good!
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: steve m on August 24, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
My early optimism is melting away again....
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: The Third Twin on August 24, 2019, 03:55:57 PM
My early optimism is melting away again....
BBC radio Lincolnshire isn't sounding very good. We sound awful.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Bodge on August 24, 2019, 03:58:22 PM
I’m not surprised, the common denominator from last seasons shambles and this is Elliott.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: natmic 66 on August 24, 2019, 04:36:56 PM
old Marriot banging em in for lynn………
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Artemis on August 24, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Remind me how many co-coaches has Elliott got?

And what do they do?
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: steve m on August 24, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
What a disappointing start to the season. All this supposed attacking talent but we always seem to start with a negative set up.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: howmanynames2pick on August 24, 2019, 04:55:14 PM
Down to 17th...Kings Lynn second...
Strange times....
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: green hats mate on August 24, 2019, 05:00:27 PM
Down to 17th...Kings Lynn second...
Strange times....

Be positive !      Only 2 teams relegated this season.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: howmanynames2pick on August 24, 2019, 05:29:43 PM
I'm sure we will not be in any type of relegation battle...we have took points off those near the top..there are some decent players in there... just hoping today was simply a bad day at the office
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Old boy thin on August 24, 2019, 05:41:48 PM
I am now seriously worried about Elliott, l am not in favour of sacking manager's so early in the season, but if things don't improve soon, we could be looking at the option.
Monday could be a very difficult day for Craig if we loose.
No attacking creativity in midfield, because Mr creativity is sat on the bench.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: steve m on August 24, 2019, 05:57:00 PM
Very very disappointed.....another false dawn....
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Oops on August 24, 2019, 06:46:03 PM
From the horses mouth, “we are not scoring goals”. Just what I said a few games ago, same as last season. Oops, perhaps I shouldn’t repeat that, got berated for it last time.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Artemis on August 24, 2019, 07:18:02 PM
From the horses mouth, “we are not scoring goals”. Just what I said a few games ago, same as last season. Oops, perhaps I shouldn’t repeat that, got berated for it last time.

Yet the "goal scorers" he has or has signed and moves on generally do score at other clubs.

That has to be down to Elliott.

Lose on Monday and the pressure is on.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Prof on August 24, 2019, 07:40:52 PM
I made all the friendlies and TBH we looked great. Have missed all league games so far due to holidays (but will be there Monday). But it sounded dreadful today and like many my dreams of a fantastic BUFC swansong season to commemorate the departure from York Street are rapidly turning to nightmares.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: oxo on August 24, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Just got back and can report it was just as bad as people on here who have not been say. Okay missing arguably our best three forwards but everyone is part of the squad and none of them with exception of our keeper and George Green when he came on showed any enthusiasm, the rest looked uninterested. Ironically we could have two up after five minutes the main culprit being Tom Clare unwilling to go in where it hurts on a couple of occasions but it is not right to single anyone out really as they were all very poor. Our mid field were non existent in the first half and we are sadly lacking in that area. In all honesty we made Gloucester look good. Big improvements needed.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: wayne, york pilgrim on August 24, 2019, 08:00:36 PM
I have never been one for calling for the managers head and was fully willing to give Craig all of last season and then pre season to prove himself. He has certainly proved himself in bringing in decent players (on paper), who have done well previously. He has also let players go who have gone on to do well else where, but there now lies a problem. Players do well before they come and players do well when they leave.
 It looks like there is a problem with the tactics that Craig is trying to make the team work to. Something doesn't click. Most of last season it didnt click and now it's not coming together again. He needs to adopt a completely new strategy or if he cant then he needs to leave, or bring in players that suits the style he wants them to play (which he kept trying to do last season and failed). One thing is for sure, our last season at york street needs to be a positive one and I now doubt craig is the person to bring that.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Burgh Boy on August 24, 2019, 09:14:07 PM
Shambolic.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Bodge on August 24, 2019, 09:20:57 PM
Give him 10 games, if we haven’t improved Mr Newton will have to get rid or York St will see a sad ending. thankfully the united club do a dam good pint or I wouldn’t bother Monday.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Champs next year on August 24, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
A lot of facts & sense posted tonight re: our start to this season. Their are glaring indications already that if unchecked; this could be a re run of the last disappointing campaign.

Yes, pre season looked promising, they are friendlies, the CN is a different proposition. As already stated; there is a pattern with CE of strikers struggling in his system; then they move on & produce elsewhere? Also his inability to blend a midfield that is both dominating & creative at this level.

The start we've had is the last thing Craig needed after last season. Why that dreadful fear of playing at home last season developed is unclear; but it appears it's carried over to this season? Oxo's match report of players today looking disinterested is unacceptable & again you have to be concerned at the Managers ability to get this group focussed, organised & firing. I said a couple of times towards the end of last season that if CE was going to put a decent side together it would have been last campaign. I still hope I'm wrong but the signs so far are not good. CE has been given excellent support by the Chestnuts financially over 2 pre seasons plus & he's had enough players at Boston to fill the Gliderdrome. I do not think the Board will allow him to hire & fire like he did last season. The next 4 or 5 results will be crucial.

Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: brummie exile 1960 on August 25, 2019, 09:55:00 AM
Too tired and fed-up to post last night. We were well beaten by a slightly better than average side who had much better ideas about moving the ball forward with purpose. Their No. 7, Parker, was far too sharp for our back four, and according to a couple of Gloucester fans I talked to, wasn't even fully fit! Their No.1 striker, Marlon Jackson was also out injured.
As for our side, Clare looked what he is. Very raw and short on confidence. I think he needs an arm round the shoulder, not a boot up the backside. He has the physique of the textbook target man and could yet come good. Knowles was unlucky with one snap shot, but was otherwise kept quiet. The midfield was a graveyard. When Greene came on he showed a positive attitude, but was a little rusty and needs a starting place in the line-up. The defence had a really bad day. CE talked in his interview of "illness in the side" and I wonder if one or two of the back four are affected. Ainge definately didn't look 100%.
Judging purely on yesterday's showing, this season is going nowhere. Vast improvement is needed. I am a CE supporter but I'm certain he knows the clock is ticking and it is his job to make things happen.

N.B. 1. It was lovely weather for playing cricket, not football.
       2. I thought the referee was above average for this league. He was always in control, didn't book anyone and, bless him, didn't send Greene off for a reckless touchline challenge at the start of the 2nd half.
      3. It was a penalty.Their player was brought down, the ref was 10 yards away and the United players didn't complain.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: semion on August 25, 2019, 10:46:27 AM
Ainge to me looks a poor signing. Looks to be carrying a stone overweight.  I’ve seen milk turn quicker than him.  Always going to be trouble if a striker gets a run at him and he gets caught one on one. 

Craig’s got 5 games to turn this around. Otherwise it’s the order of the tintack
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: The Third Twin on August 25, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
Ainge to me looks a poor signing. Looks to be carrying a stone overweight.  I’ve seen milk turn quicker than him.  Always going to be trouble if a striker gets a run at him and he gets caught one on one. 

Craig’s got 5 games to turn this around. Otherwise it’s the order of the tintack
I accept Ainge isn't the swiftest, but he's everything else a centre back should be, and he's got confidence on the ball and a decent long pass on him. I'd rather have him in the side than Ryan Qualter, Steve Killock or Tom Batchelor. We've potentially the best pairing at the back since the Pidge, Garns, Mills team. Let's not forget it's the first defeat since last Easter.  it was poor yesterday, and I'm a fan who doesn't like people who aren't doing what they're paid for, but you get these games. Despite saying this, I share your lack of confidence in CE, as it does seem like he's not learnt everything he could have from last season's opening fixtures. Especially given the positive pre season, I'd hoped for a better start.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Chelsea on August 25, 2019, 11:09:46 AM
Elliott must go now give someone else  chance before it's too late
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: semion on August 25, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
Third twin, it’s not about him not being the swiftest the guy is too slow and will cost us this season.  Ok he he is strong in the air but on the deck he is putting extra pressure on the rest of the back line who are having to cover for this, when they can.  The guy should be shedding the pounds.  He knows he struggles for pace so needs to be in peak condition to compensate for this.

We won’t go down under Craig but we won’t be challenging for 2-5th place.  York are a shoe in for top spot
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: The Third Twin on August 25, 2019, 06:08:27 PM
Third twin, it’s not about him not being the swiftest the guy is too slow and will cost us this season.  Ok he he is strong in the air but on the deck he is putting extra pressure on the rest of the back line who are having to cover for this, when they can.  The guy should be shedding the pounds.  He knows he struggles for pace so needs to be in peak condition to compensate for this.

We won’t go down under Craig but we won’t be challenging for 2-5th place.  York are a shoe in for top spot
Ainge is on a season long loan, I believe, so he can be returned if necessary, without cost. I still think he's a better player than you, but time will tell on that one. I do agree that if things were to continue as they are, then we won't be looking at the playoffs nor relegation, but our farewell to York Street season could just peter out into nothingness, and that would be a great shame.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: oxo on August 25, 2019, 09:24:00 PM
I was there, it was not good but bloody hell it was our first defeat get a grip.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: natmic 66 on August 25, 2019, 11:44:45 PM
I just hope the revolving door is not going to happen as it surely cant do the team any good...………..
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Bodge on August 26, 2019, 07:38:58 AM
Unless it’s Elliott heading through it.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on August 26, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
Bodge, after the 'failures' of Jason Lee, Graham Drury, Dennis Greene, Adam Murray and now Craig Elliott, who would you suggest Mr Newton brings in next time ?

TEP
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: semion on August 26, 2019, 10:01:17 AM
Law of averages says we must get it right at some point.  Far to early to follow BPA and Hereford in sacking Managers.   If you are looking for a name how about tempting this guy Culverhouse away from K Lynn.  Has a decent track record there and a good CV. Including Premiership.  He can bring the legend with him
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Bodge on August 26, 2019, 10:32:10 AM
Tipps, I would go with Kermit the frog. He seems to get the best out of his team.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Champs next year on August 26, 2019, 10:49:59 AM
Law of averages says we must get it right at some point.  Far to early to follow BPA and Hereford in sacking Managers.   If you are looking for a name how about tempting this guy Culverhouse away from K Lynn.  Has a decent track record there and a good CV. Including Premiership.  He can bring the legend with him

I agree with it being early days & to give CE more time. Buts it's a results business so as many say the next month or so needs to see a big improvement.. It's such a tough call with managers at this level. I though AM would do well 4 us after managing in FL....didn't  happen. Just look at top & bottom of CN. Watson at York ex Prem league player & FL manager top with York. Lee Clarke ex Prem league player & Championship gaffer joint bottom with Blyth.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Artemis on August 26, 2019, 11:34:20 AM
Bodge, after the 'failures' of Jason Lee, Graham Drury, Dennis Greene, Adam Murray and now Craig Elliott, who would you suggest Mr Newton brings in next time ?

TEP

So getting into getting into the play offs and narrowly missing out 2 seasons running under Dennis Greene was a failure?
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on August 26, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
Some would say so Artemis. He won nothing and had many who didn't like him. Personally I thought he did well and I got on OK with him though.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: green hats mate on August 26, 2019, 08:56:32 PM
Some would say so Artemis. He won nothing and had many who didn't like him. Personally I thought he did well and I got on OK with him though.

Three top 6 finishes ins 3 consecutive season certainly the best managerial record under Chestnuts .     How far back do we have go to beat it .?
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Deeping Pilgrim on August 26, 2019, 10:33:52 PM
Some would say so Artemis. He won nothing and had many who didn't like him. Personally I thought he did well and I got on OK with him though.

Three top 6 finishes ins 3 consecutive season certainly the best managerial record under Chestnuts .     How far back do we have go to beat it .?

Unfortunately we probably have to go to the era/error of the fat, Scottish cheat to find the most recent one.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: chris b on August 26, 2019, 11:09:52 PM
Some would say so Artemis. He won nothing and had many who didn't like him. Personally I thought he did well and I got on OK with him though.

Three top 6 finishes ins 3 consecutive season certainly the best managerial record under Chestnuts .     How far back do we have go to beat it .?

Unfortunately we probably have to go to the era/error of the fat, Scottish cheat to find the most recent one.

The only manager to get us relegated on the pitch in the last 25 years?  He doesn't get my vote.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: Tash on August 27, 2019, 03:13:14 PM
Shorty and Shouty our most successful managers in recent years, only ones to win promotion and if they’d stayed who knows were they could have taken us.
Title: Re: V Gloucester
Post by: green hats mate on August 27, 2019, 05:54:47 PM
Some would say so Artemis. He won nothing and had many who didn't like him. Personally I thought he did well and I got on OK with him though.

Three top 6 finishes ins 3 consecutive season certainly the best managerial record under Chestnuts .     How far back do we have go to beat it .?
Don't think Evans got 3 top 6 finishes in consecutive years .
Unfortunately we probably have to go to the era/error of the fat, Scottish cheat to find the most recent one.