Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Pete Brooksbank on August 13, 2019, 02:25:13 PM
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Last league game under the lights? Let's be honest, it's unlikely, but still a special one not to be missed. Retro programme looks the business again.
Interesting to see if Knowles is back, and especially if Tom Clare's involved at all.
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Not quite a must win game but we could do with it. Leamington have caused us a bit of bother in the past and are unbeaten in three games so far - and have beaten Brackley. I don't anticipate it being easy. Bookies have us at 7/10, which isn't great value in my book !
TEP
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In my mind only one person on the pitch responsible for the sending offs and that was the idiot in black on an ego trip thinking he knows what he’s doing. A refs job is to try and keep 22 players on the pitch at the end of a game. If he had taken control re the fouls, not been biased towards Leamington in the first half, booked their No 2 earlier for his fouling things might have been different. He had no idea who to send off and was always going to send equal numbers of players off from both sides to maintain equality. What a plonker.
Having said that , what a fantastic win by the best team we have had for a few years who worked their socks off and were well appreciated by the vast majority of the crowd. Each and everyone of them should be amazingly proud of what they achieved tonight. Craig has definitely learned a lot from last season and put together a great squad. Cannot and will not single out any one player because it was a great team effort.
One final thing, there is no way I would have shaken that idiot refs hand, except as a decoy move to distract him from a swift knee in his nuts.
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Knew Jay was going as soon as he put his head in there players face ,he looked to be walking away so there player must of said something to make him react ,very good positive game upto then shame 3 match ban for all involved .
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Ignoring the man in black and the 86th minute melee...
I thought we played well as a team, worked hard from front to back, passed and kept the ball well, and made a decent number of good chances. In short, we were good value for the win.
In the bigger picture...
we are still unbeaten (Inc pre-season), we're creating chances, and we're not shipping goals.
If we can keep playing like that, (and I appreciate we are only 3 games in) but there's no reason we can't extend our season by finishing in the playoffs.
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Ignoring the man in black and the 86th minute melee...
I thought we played well as a team, worked hard from front to back, passed and kept the ball well, and made a decent number of good chances. In short, we were good value for the win.
In the bigger picture...
we are still unbeaten (Inc pre-season), we're creating chances, and we're not shipping goals.
If we can keep playing like that, (and I appreciate we are only 3 games in) but there's no reason we can't extend our season by finishing in the playoffs.
Best all round performance l have seen for a long time.
A good win and we stay unbeaten, and also a clean sheet.
They were outstanding Top Middle and Bottom with only one hot spot the sending offs.
Luckily we have cover for 3 match bans and can reshuffle the pack a little.
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Sorry does anyone know what the 50/50 draw numbers are please??
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Don’t know the complete series of numbers but both began with 40.
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Don’t know the complete series of numbers but both began with 40.
40033 was 2nd prize as I had 40032
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In my mind only one person on the pitch responsible for the sending offs and that was the idiot in black on an ego trip thinking he knows what he’s doing. A refs job is to try and keep 22 players on the pitch at the end of a game. If he had taken control re the fouls, not been biased towards Leamington in the first half, booked their No 2 earlier for his fouling things might have been different. He had no idea who to send off and was always going to send equal numbers of players off from both sides to maintain equality. What a plonker.
One final thing, there is no way I would have shaken that idiot refs hand, except as a decoy move to distract him from a swift knee in his nuts.
And people wonder why there's a shortage of referee's........
I can't see that he had any option, and in fairness he could probably have sent at least another couple of players off. Absolutely shameful behavior from both sets of players, I can see both clubs copping a fine for a failure to control their players, any fine should be deducted from the players salaries if that's the case.
Have a word with yourself, you sound like a spoilt kid with a sense of entitlement. Referee's have a tough enough job without stupid footballers waving their handbags about like a bunch of schoolgirls.
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Their No 2 started the fracas with a tackle on Jay. He had not been punished or even spoken to on at least three previous occasions for his tackles and so came to believe he could get away with anything. In rugby the ref is the boss and discipline is the key. The ref knows what a foul is. It’s about time some of rugby’s methods were adopted. Same thing applies to members of the crowd who shout foul and abusive language language at management and staff in front of youngsters in the crowd. Respect and self discipline is sadly missing by some supporters. Did you know that you never have had to even kick a football in your entire life to qualify as a ref.
I have just had a word with myself and found it was like looking for hair growing on the palms of your hands, a waste of time.
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Taking away from the incident at the end, the ref was poor start to finish - very inconsistent and constantly stopping the game
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First time I've seen the team this year because of holidays etc. Must say very impressed solid at the back and look very good going forward. When this team gels after another few games I belief we could be in for a very good year. Well done Craig and the board for supporting him. Roll on Saturday
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I came away from last night very happy. It was like the old days, some nice football, plenty of commitment and passion shown. We could and should have won by a much bigger margin, we are missing a " tap it in Newsh " type of player.
Thought MOM was certainly justified.
At one stage in the second half I had to pinch myself, I thought I was watching Brazil ;) ;) We must have strung about 20 passes together.
Keep playing like this and the support will return, well done lads.
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Thoughts on the match:
- Ref wasn't great, very inconsistent and some poor decisions, but I am loathe to criticise anyone too much for a job I couldn't do
- Slightly disappointing attendance but suspect school holidays played a part. Thought there'd be a bit more of a last season "bounce" though
- Weathered the first 15 mins very well. Leamington looked a very good outfit and were clearly pressing for an early goal, but once we'd survived that pressure we grew into the game and were the better side in general
- Some exceptional play going forward - both full backs bombing on, some really good spells of passing/possession but I noticed that when we lost momentum we struggled to pick it back up and almost had to reset and start all over again
- That said, not quite clicking up front - three goals (and an own goal, penalty and a gift at that) is a poor return when we threaten so many more. This will come in time
- Knowles looks like a very good signing, when he's back to full fitness and is sharp he'll get plenty of goals for us
- Rollins, not his best game in fairness (although as Duncan Browne pointed out to me, his role was different today than the first two, dropping a little deeper). The headbutt was a clear red card and was a really rash moment of madness. Luckily we have the depth to cover him but it was completely unnecessary
- Thewlis, didn't see what he did in the brawl - I await the highlights with interest!
Overall, a good win against a decent outfit. Thought Elliott got his tactics absolutely bang on in a way that we've not seen since our trip to Salford the season before last, which is probably down to this team being much more settled and "his" than last season's. We need to score a few more but I've no doubt this team is a capable of rattling up some big wins over the course of the season. A good win against a good side. Get in.
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Great result and good all round performance against a solid Leamington side. Shame about the red cards but there's never an excuse for the handbags that we saw. You'd have thought Middleton was on the pitch :) Regardless of how 'poor' the ref may be, you have to let him/her make the decisions - you can't go dishing out punishment yourself as a player. On the subject of refs, I get a bit tired of the criticism to be honest. We're six levels down the pyramid and we're going to get the standard of official that this is entitled to. Plenty of crap refs, crap players, crap grounds and crap spouted by certain supporters at this level. Get used to it or trot off to the world of VAR where everything is perfect and not a single decision is ever questioned.
TEP
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Their No 2 started the fracas with a tackle on Jay. He had not been punished or even spoken to on at least three previous occasions for his tackles and so came to believe he could get away with anything.
Their number 2 was also sent off on Saturday, for 2 bookings.
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Great result and good all round performance against a solid Leamington side. Shame about the red cards but there's never an excuse for the handbags that we saw. You'd have thought Middleton was on the pitch :) Regardless of how 'poor' the ref may be, you have to let him/her make the decisions - you can't go dishing out punishment yourself as a player. On the subject of refs, I get a bit tired of the criticism to be honest. We're six levels down the pyramid and we're going to get the standard of official that this is entitled to. Plenty of crap refs, crap players, crap grounds and crap spouted by certain supporters at this level. Get used to it or trot off to the world of VAR where everything is perfect and not a single decision is ever questioned.
TEP
Try telling that to some in the stand and on here!
They are honest guys, they get things wrong. Its not life altering decisions, its a level 6 football game.
Time the players took some responsibility for their action in stead of hiding behind apologist club employees and supporters, could anyone on here have been expect to control that lot last night?
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The tackle happened in front of me. He went through Jay, then held him down when he tried to get up.
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The tackle happened in front of me. He went through Jay, then held him down when he tried to get up.
Yes, so let the ref deal with it. Nothing to be gained from head butting or taking matters into your own hands - Sunday league stuff that.
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The tackle happened in front of me. He went through Jay, then held him down when he tried to get up.
Yep, he did.
But Jay didn't need to get up and headbutt him. Stupidity.
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Their No 2 started the fracas with a tackle on Jay. He had not been punished or even spoken to on at least three previous occasions for his tackles and so came to believe he could get away with anything. In rugby the ref is the boss and discipline is the key. The ref knows what a foul is. It’s about time some of rugby’s methods were adopted. Same thing applies to members of the crowd who shout foul and abusive language language at management and staff in front of youngsters in the crowd. Respect and self discipline is sadly missing by some supporters. Did you know that you never have had to even kick a football in your entire life to qualify as a ref.
I have just had a word with myself and found it was like looking for hair growing on the palms of your hands, a waste of time.
We can go on and on about poor officials, but l remember from my playing days, a chap called Colin Barker saying to me, "Don't give a poor ref the chance to make an even poorer decision "
Rollins and Thewlis did exactly that end of story.
Me personally I would like to see a change in who is allowed to approach the ref, this must be IMO the captain's only, it works in Rugby and is a way of making captain's take responsibility for the behaviour of their players.
This also will give the ref an air of authority, but refs need to stop getting into arguments with players.
The above suggestion will stop this from happening as players know that they cannot approach the ref without being instructed too, or a punishment will be handed out.
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I am not condoning what Jay did. I am just saying what I saw.
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Great result and good all round performance against a solid Leamington side. Shame about the red cards but there's never an excuse for the handbags that we saw. You'd have thought Middleton was on the pitch :) Regardless of how 'poor' the ref may be, you have to let him/her make the decisions - you can't go dishing out punishment yourself as a player. On the subject of refs, I get a bit tired of the criticism to be honest. We're six levels down the pyramid and we're going to get the standard of official that this is entitled to. Plenty of crap refs, crap players, crap grounds and crap spouted by certain supporters at this level. Get used to it or trot off to the world of VAR where everything is perfect and not a single decision is ever questioned.
TEP
You have summed it up perfect! VAR was only brought in due to FIFA, EUFA & Premier league Referees getting so many big decisions Wrong. How many times were serious incidents missed by all officials in a Prem league game only for retrospective Red Cards & suspensions dished out due to TV footage!! We have to accept at our level Refs will make mistakes. As previously stated by plenty on here; the Linos could get involved a lot more to help Refs.
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As previously stated by plenty on here; the Linos could get involved a lot more to help Refs.
It almost seems as though they are told not to make such calls at times - most of them even look to the ref before they give a throw-in?
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The tackle happened in front of me. He went through Jay, then held him down when he tried to get up.
Yep, he did.
But Jay didn't need to get up and headbutt him. Stupidity.
But he didn't get up and headbutt him, He got up and ran away but was confronted by another of their players and they took up the usual pose of head to head. Not excusing anything they were all like a bunch of school girls.
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Just a point regarding last nights squad. Many of us were wondering if we would see any more of George Green having been left out of the squad. At the end of the game I spoke to him and asked if he was upset, I am very happy to report he said "not at all, I have been unwell for a few days so couldn't be included, great win we are on our way" Great attitude. UTP.
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Just a point regarding last nights squad. Many of us were wondering if we would see any more of George Green having been left out of the squad. At the end of the game I spoke to him and asked if he was upset, I am very happy to report he said "not at all, I have been unwell for a few days so couldn't be included, great win we are on our way" Great attitude. UTP.
Fair enough
I think he could be the Richard Brodie type. Mouthy and won't last long if he's not playing
Hopefully he proves me wrong
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The tackle happened in front of me. He went through Jay, then held him down when he tried to get up.
Yep, he did.
But Jay didn't need to get up and headbutt him. Stupidity.
But he didn't get up and headbutt him, He got up and ran away but was confronted by another of their players and they took up the usual pose of head to head. Not excusing anything they were all like a bunch of school girls.
Jay did throw his head into the other players face after they had the coming together with their silly head pushing game.
It happend in front of me and we all said that's him off then.
Jay went back for more after they had been parted, so he had to go, sorry but that's the truth.
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The tackle happened in front of me. He went through Jay, then held him down when he tried to get up.
Yep, he did.
But Jay didn't need to get up and headbutt him. Stupidity.
But he didn't get up and headbutt him, He got up and ran away but was confronted by another of their players and they took up the usual pose of head to head. Not excusing anything they were all like a bunch of school girls.
Jay did throw his head into the other players face after they had the coming together with their silly head pushing game.
It happend in front of me and we all said that's him off then.
Jay went back for more after they had been parted, so he had to go, sorry but that's the truth.
Fair enough, they were all bloody pathetic and deserve what they get.
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How I saw it, but could be wrong it happened so quick.
The No 2 tackled Jay illegally (not the first time on the night) a bit of a tussle on the ground with No 2 holding Jay down. The linesman did not flag.
Jay got up and was confronted by their No 7 who ran a long way to get involved. Both players were in each others face, Jay pushed his head aggressively into the No 7's face ( did not headbutt ). My definition of an headbutt is when someone pulls their head back to get more purchase (Glasgow kiss). What Jay did was still wrong and merited a sending off. The linesman then started flagging.
I think the No 2 was sent off for the tackle, unless someone can remember something else. Anyone know why Thewlis was sent off? Someone next to me said they saw him being aggressive, but did not know what led up to it.
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Well, the video is now up and it largely corroborates what we all thought.
Rollins is tackled by English and hauled to the ground (yellow for English would have sufficed here I think).
Then all the pushing starts.
Rollins and Murphy (their number 7) stick their heads together and receive deserved red cards. I know they're not really "headbutts" in the traditional 'Skeggy on a Friday night' sense, but we all know refs give straight reds for them so it was easily avoided by both players. Daft.
Thewlis then runs in and it's unclear what he did to deserve his red. If you watch the video closely there seems to be a raising of arms with a Leamington player, but nothing obvious - and the officials surely couldn't have seen it at the time? Unclear on that. If I were Elliott I'd probably appeal this one.
I think English was unlucky to be sent off. He says the ref told him it was for a headbutt too. I can't see one, so I think he'd have good grounds to appeal that one too.
It's not really as bad on the video as it seemed on the night. Mostly pushing and shoving, with just the two clear cut dismissals.
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Having watched the video a number of times it looks as if our No.11 Thewliss was trying to calm their No.11 who was acting aggressively. Could there have been miscommunication between linesman and referee resulting in the wrong No.11 being sent off?
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I thought we got a soft penalty, and after watching the replay I stand by my view. I will have to remember this when we get turned down for a "stonewaller" ;D ;D
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A few moment's juvenile behaviour from too many players marred an otherwise good night and a good contest between two decent sides. We look good at the back and front, although it's dispiriting that we've only got one goal from open play in the two games I've seen (Alfreton and Leamington) as our forward line is in a different class from last season (Knowles looked good on Tuesday). If only Platt can get some help to stiffen the midfield, I'd be even more encouraged. I confess that Abbott had his best game I've seen for a long time (particularly for most of the first half). I, too, thought it was a soft penalty.
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Their number 6 came charging in with a fist towards Thewlis
Didn't see Thewlis do anything although it was a mangle of limbs
Not sure why their number two was sent off as the tackle itself wasn't a red and he didn't seem to nut anyone
Both 7s probably deserved reds despite no actual headbutts going in
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Their number 6 came charging in with a fist towards Thewlis
Didn't see Thewlis do anything although it was a mangle of limbs
Not sure why their number two was sent off as the tackle itself wasn't a red and he didn't seem to nut anyone
Both 7s probably deserved reds despite no actual headbutts going in
Yeah, English was a yellow for the drag back - if that. His protestations of innocence on twitter are entirely justified!
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The tackle happened in front of me. He went through Jay, then held him down when he tried to get up.
Yep, he did.
But Jay didn't need to get up and headbutt him. Stupidity.
But he didn't get up and headbutt him, He got up and ran away but was confronted by another of their players and they took up the usual pose of head to head. Not excusing anything they were all like a bunch of school girls.
Jay did throw his head into the other players face after they had the coming together with their silly head pushing game.
It happend in front of me and we all said that's him off then.
Jay went back for more after they had been parted, so he had to go, sorry but that's the truth.
Fair enough, they were all bloody pathetic and deserve what they get.
I agree mate, absolutely no need for it.
TBH honest l was shocked that Jay reacted in that way, l have never seen him like that.
Just a quick question, are they both banned for the Guiseley game, or do they get a games grace before the ban kicks in.
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Their number 6 came charging in with a fist towards Thewlis
Didn't see Thewlis do anything although it was a mangle of limbs
Not sure why their number two was sent off as the tackle itself wasn't a red and he didn't seem to nut anyone
Both 7s probably deserved reds despite no actual headbutts going in
Yeah, English was a yellow for the drag back - if that. His protestations of innocence on twitter are entirely justified!
Hadn't he been booked earlier though.
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Having watched the video a number of times it looks as if our No.11 Thewliss was trying to calm their No.11 who was acting aggressively. Could there have been miscommunication between linesman and referee resulting in the wrong No.11 being sent off?
I agree with you after watching the video, he didn't do anything that is deemed as aggressive, l think the club should appeal that one, it's not even a yellow, if it is then all of them should have got one.
Jay though can't argue with is.
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Just a quick question, are they both banned for the Guiseley game, or do they get a games grace before the ban kicks in.
No, suspensions start on the 8th day after the offence.
Hadn't he been booked earlier though.
Nope.
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Video shows,
No2 English sent off for violent conduct, neck high tackle and dragged to floor.
Therefore Not sure how some are saying it should off been Yellow card?
No7 clearly throws his head towards Jay before they separate, Jay unlucky as his head never moves forward towards opponent, but he should of walked away I suppose.
No 11 Thewlis grabbed an opponents face at the end of fracas right in front of referee.
No6 very lucky as he ran in and threw a uppercut to Jordan.
I though referee did well all night, cannot be easy with players throwing themselves to the floor screaming and managers screaming for free kick at every tackle or header. We will get worse than him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVD27crYKXY
No2 caused a brawl last season also with a high arm. around 2.37 on clip
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I thought we got a soft penalty, and after watching the replay I stand by my view. I will have to remember this when we get turned down for a "stonewaller" ;D ;D
Like the one about 5 minutes later..........
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Video shows,
No2 English sent off for violent conduct, neck high tackle and dragged to floor.
Therefore Not sure how some are saying it should off been Yellow card?
No7 clearly throws his head towards Jay before they separate, Jay unlucky as his head never moves forward towards opponent, but he should of walked away I suppose.
No 11 Thewlis grabbed an opponents face at the end of fracas right in front of referee.
No6 very lucky as he ran in and threw a uppercut to Jordan.
I though referee did well all night, cannot be easy with players throwing themselves to the floor screaming and managers screaming for free kick at every tackle or header. We will get worse than him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVD27crYKXY
No2 caused a brawl last season also with a high arm. around 2.37 on clip
I saw Jay move his head towards their number 7 with my own eyes on the night. Definite red, I said so the instant it happened.
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I thought we got a soft penalty, and after watching the replay I stand by my view. I will have to remember this when we get turned down for a "stonewaller" ;D ;D
Like the one about 5 minutes later..........
The handball or the foul, two I thought were more of a penalty than the one we got.
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Jay's behaviour on Tuesday night isn't something you expect from a Club Captain. He shouldn't have done it.