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Title: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: The Third Twin on March 18, 2019, 09:45:11 PM
So CE in his post match on Saturday says quite clearly we’re quote “not good  enough” for the playoffs.

I didn’t personally  like the way he named players publicly who he thought hadn’t made much effort . I think that should be left in the dressing room.

But, now to my point, or rather lack of them.

According to @bostonutdstats our home games versus teams above us is

P10 W0 D2 L8

I know the home form is well debated, but if CE needs to see what needs to be fixed for next season if we’re serious about playoff football, then surely turning even 3 of those 8 defeats would put us comfortably there.

To refer to my starting point, I requote Mr Elliot to himself,  “not good enough”
 
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 19, 2019, 12:05:24 AM
Very good post and factual points.
Is this the worst home form we have had in a single season?
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: The Third Twin on March 19, 2019, 07:02:35 AM
Very good post and factual points.
Is this the worst home form we have had in a single season?
I can’t remember one as poor, and I go back 40+ seasons
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on March 19, 2019, 07:41:36 AM
Very good post and factual points.
Is this the worst home form we have had in a single season?
I can’t remember one as poor, and I go back 40+ seasons

Were you not around two years ago then, when we amassed a pitiful 25 points? We're on 21 at the moment with three winnable home games left to play.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 19, 2019, 07:52:29 AM
Very good post and factual points.
Is this the worst home form we have had in a single season?
I can’t remember one as poor, and I go back 40+ seasons

Were you not around two years ago then, when we amassed a pitiful 25 points? We're on 21 at the moment with three winnable home games left to play.
No l wasn't around, so we still have hope then.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: The Third Twin on March 19, 2019, 10:47:23 AM
Very good post and factual points.
Is this the worst home form we have had in a single season?
I can’t remember one as poor, and I go back 40+ seasons

Were you not around two years ago then, when we amassed a pitiful 25 points? We're on 21 at the moment with three winnable home games left to play.
Sorry you're right, of course. We didn't win at home on a Saturday until March or something like that! I must have blocked that season out of my mind due to ongoing mental trauma!
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Ernie100 on March 19, 2019, 01:49:10 PM
Watching Boston United this season would give anyone mental trauma!!
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: SMorgs on March 19, 2019, 01:55:33 PM
Very good post and factual points.
Is this the worst home form we have had in a single season?
I can’t remember one as poor, and I go back 40+ seasons

Were you not around two years ago then, when we amassed a pitiful 25 points? We're on 21 at the moment with three winnable home games left to play.

That was a god awful season!
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: SMorgs on March 21, 2019, 01:10:53 PM
Another quote from CE today whilst talking about the need to keep our better players, "I keep saying we need to learn from the mistakes we’ve made as a club and as a manager."

Too many mistakes have been made over the past few years! So many clubs have got it right and are reaping the rewards, we can't seem to do so.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Champs next year on March 21, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
Another quote from CE today whilst talking about the need to keep our better players, "I keep saying we need to learn from the mistakes we’ve made as a club and as a manager."

Too many mistakes have been made over the past few years! So many clubs have got it right and are reaping the rewards, we can't seem to do so.

Agree comes down to shrewd, insightful recruitment & building a team that will dominate at this level. Murray failed (yes I backed him to succeed) & CE has got it badly wrong this season. Both have had the finances to succeed, you have to say in their first full seasons both have squandered good opportunities given by the board.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 21, 2019, 05:07:08 PM
What size of budget are we talking about?
What would be the average size budget in this league?
If we have a decent sized budget why is recruitment so obviously difficult?
In Craig's case the pressure to get his recruitment right for next season is now immense, yes it's good for him to be open and honest, but he may have put a big target on his back for next season if it starts badly.
Who knows, but I think most of us are willing him to get it right, not just for the club but also for him personally.

Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Ed Kandii on March 21, 2019, 07:17:55 PM
One factor making recruitment difficult in the past has been the travelling time getting to Boston.  They improved the roads and then put up average speed cameras to slow everybody down.  :(
I've never seen the budget figures publicised but there used to be a big wad of bank notes in the glove compartment of Malkies Merc, allegedly.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: SMorgs on March 22, 2019, 01:03:23 PM
Another quote from CE today whilst talking about the need to keep our better players, "I keep saying we need to learn from the mistakes we’ve made as a club and as a manager."

Too many mistakes have been made over the past few years! So many clubs have got it right and are reaping the rewards, we can't seem to do so.

Agree comes down to shrewd, insightful recruitment & building a team that will dominate at this level. Murray failed (yes I backed him to succeed) & CE has got it badly wrong this season. Both have had the finances to succeed, you have to say in their first full seasons both have squandered good opportunities given by the board.

Totally agree, the board have put faith in two 'up and coming' managers and it hasn't paid off. We are historically a big club at this level with a good budget, we should be able to attract somebody to at least give us a fighting chance of getting out of this league. Is a top 7 finish at this level as a minimum too much to ask for?
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Champs next year on March 22, 2019, 01:33:54 PM

Another quote from CE today whilst talking about the need to keep our better players, "I keep saying we need to learn from the mistakes we’ve made as a club and as a manager."

Too many mistakes have been made over the past few years! So many clubs have got it right and are reaping the rewards, we can't seem to do so.

Agree comes down to shrewd, insightful recruitment & building a team that will dominate at this level. Murray failed (yes I backed him to succeed) & CE has got it badly wrong this season. Both have had the finances to succeed, you have to say in their first full seasons both have squandered good opportunities given by the board.

Totally agree, the board have put faith in two 'up and coming' managers and it hasn't paid off. We are historically a big club at this level with a good budget, we should be able to attract somebody to at least give us a fighting chance of getting out of this league. Is a top 7 finish at this level as a minimum too much to ask for?

I really see us at a crossroads right now. As said the money & faith placed in Murray & CE so far has been fruitless? The Chestnuts may go with Craig again next season? However their concerns will be identical to ours. If anybody on here was holding the purse strings would you give him another go with the transfer Budget?
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Ed Kandii on March 22, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
I'd give him one more try. If it was going tits up after 10 games I'd be looking to replace  :police:
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Bodge on March 22, 2019, 02:29:17 PM
10 games next season and if we aren’t in the top 7 it needs to be time to go
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Champs next year on March 22, 2019, 02:45:33 PM
10 games next season and if we aren’t in the top 7 it needs to be time to go

But he will have had the transfer Budget by then. That's why Newton & Kempster will need 2 decide end of season!
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Greengrass on March 22, 2019, 10:46:00 PM
10 games next season and if we aren’t in the top 7 it needs to be time to go

If it was your money being spent would you seriously take that gamble, because that is exactly what it would be. Also if miracles happened and we were top of the league how long would he stay when the big boys are knocking on the door. Anyone who believes in loyalty at this level is seriously deluded, no time like the present I say 😉
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 23, 2019, 05:00:59 AM
Decisions decisions!!
I don't think for one minute his job is at risk.
This team is not the best and not the worst, if the back 4 get sorted out before next season we may have a chance, could Qaulter, Creswell, Davies, Smith be the answer with Jackson and Middleton as back up.
I would give Jackson a go in midfield before the end of season just to see how he goes, but definitely not Middleton, he would spend even more time suspended.
It could be worse, we could be Scotland lol.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 23, 2019, 07:55:55 AM
10 games next season and if we aren’t in the top 7 it needs to be time to go

If it was your money being spent would you seriously take that gamble, because that is exactly what it would be. Also if miracles happened and we were top of the league how long would he stay when the big boys are knocking on the door. Anyone who believes in loyalty at this level is seriously deluded, no time like the present I say 😉
But that would be same if we did bring in someone new, if they were doing well and we were top of the league, they would probably bugger off to the big boys.
A new manager would be a bigger gamble than what we have now, and would spend the same money and not do any better than Craig.
Sometimes its better the devil you know.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 24, 2019, 08:00:33 PM
Was just wondering why our away record is better than home.
Am l right in saying that most of our players are based in Yorkshire and Lancashire, l suspect they must train quite close to where Craig is based.
Does that mean when we play away games that are within those two counties, the players don't have far to travel to play and probably are fresher, than they would if they are traveling to Boston to play.
Just a thought, but probably a load of tosh anyway.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Greengrass on March 24, 2019, 08:49:15 PM
Was just wondering why our away record is better than home.
Am l right in saying that most of our players are based in Yorkshire and Lancashire, l suspect they must train quite close to where Craig is based.
Does that mean when we play away games that are within those two counties, the players don't have far to travel to play and probably are fresher, than they would if they are traveling to Boston to play.
Just a thought, but probably a load of tosh anyway.

Yes, agree 100% OBT........A load of tosh 😁
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 24, 2019, 09:52:59 PM
Was just wondering why our away record is better than home.
Am l right in saying that most of our players are based in Yorkshire and Lancashire, l suspect they must train quite close to where Craig is based.
Does that mean when we play away games that are within those two counties, the players don't have far to travel to play and probably are fresher, than they would if they are traveling to Boston to play.
Just a thought, but probably a load of tosh anyway.

Yes, agree 100% OBT........A load of tosh 😁
Have you a degree in negativity?
A career tip for you here, never become a Samaritan on the over end of a suicide help line.
I think your survival % will be quite low. 😀
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: green hats mate on March 25, 2019, 06:25:28 PM
Was just wondering why our away record is better than home.
Am l right in saying that most of our players are based in Yorkshire and Lancashire, l suspect they must train quite close to where Craig is based.
Does that mean when we play away games that are within those two counties, the players don't have far to travel to play and probably are fresher, than they would if they are traveling to Boston to play.
Just a thought, but probably a load of tosh anyway.

Yes a load of tosh ,    the seasons we made the play offs we had players travelling from London and Sunderland
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 26, 2019, 09:42:52 AM
Was just wondering why our away record is better than home.
Am l right in saying that most of our players are based in Yorkshire and Lancashire, l suspect they must train quite close to where Craig is based.
Does that mean when we play away games that are within those two counties, the players don't have far to travel to play and probably are fresher, than they would if they are traveling to Boston to play.
Just a thought, but probably a load of tosh anyway.

Yes a load of tosh ,    the seasons we made the play offs we had players travelling from London and Sunderland
Ok l see that, so why are we getting better results away up north?
Was Dennis Gteen a better manager, or did we simply have a better squad, one thing is for sure,we the current team does not look comfortable playing at home and the results speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on March 26, 2019, 09:51:04 AM
We had a better squad.
Title: Re: Quote “not good enough”
Post by: Old boy thin on March 26, 2019, 10:12:12 AM
We had a better squad.
So was that squad better away from home than this one??