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Title: Alfreton away
Post by: Ed Kandii on January 01, 2019, 03:54:03 PM
1 nil up against the Billy Heath spoilers at HT  :police:
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Ed Kandii on January 01, 2019, 04:07:06 PM
The games a bit feisty according to radio Lincs.  Hopefully the lads won't fall for the spoiling tactics and stay cool  8)
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Bodge on January 01, 2019, 04:56:45 PM
So 2 points from the 3 festive games, play offs my arse!
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Ernie100 on January 01, 2019, 04:57:23 PM
FT 1-1 they scored the equaliser in the 90th minute >:(
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Cavalier on January 01, 2019, 06:54:38 PM
FT 1-1 they scored the equaliser in the 90th minute >:(

Last 2 games we have just missed out on getting all 3 points.  Is it a fitness problem?
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Bodge on January 01, 2019, 07:00:04 PM
7 points from our last 8 games.

Is that return good enough, I think not
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: oxo on January 01, 2019, 07:16:05 PM
7 points from our last 8 games.

Is that return good enough, I think not


Were you there? One of the best displays all season against a bunch of thugs. It's so called fans like you we can well do without if you are not going to get behind the team.  UTP.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Bodge on January 01, 2019, 07:40:22 PM
Oxo, pleased you think the teams better off without me. I have sponsored games, supported the club since the early seventies and attended hundreds if not a couple of thousand of games. Cold nights at Frickly, Barrow, Workington and other hell holes, don’t make it personal I was only asking is 7 points from 8 games is good enough. If you think it is ok, your welcome to your opinion but mine is it isn’t.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: green hats mate on January 01, 2019, 07:47:43 PM
7 points from our last 8 games.

Is that return good enough, I think not


I think you have made an error ,  I make it 7 points in our last 9 league games .
On this return for the rest of the season we would finish the season with 46 points.

Last season Gainsborough were relegated with 46 points .
Season 15/16  Lowestoft were relegated with  46 points .

Season  11/12  Hinckley was relegated with 48 points

Is it good enough ?   maybe not !
In 3 of the last 6 seasons 46 points has  meant releligation .




Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Old boy thin on January 01, 2019, 07:58:41 PM
What a blooming good show today from the boys, cracking effort.
First time l have watched Boston play in 10 years, been in away working in Poland.
2 games unbeaten on a run now.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Greengrass on January 01, 2019, 08:01:42 PM
7 points from our last 8 games.

Is that return good enough, I think not


Were you there? One of the best displays all season against a bunch of thugs. It's so called fans like you we can well do without if you are not going to get behind the team.  UTP.

Oh well if that's your attitude towards a fellow fan I think I'll donate my jam jar to the Heart Foundation..... Pathetic 😢
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: The Third Twin on January 01, 2019, 08:03:03 PM
After the BPA game I started my post with a comment about holding on, well guess what, same again. We'd done enough to win the game, had a second wrongly disallowed for offside when Walker ran onto the ball from behind the original pass, and then sadly we've succumbed to a very late equaliser again, resulting in 2 points from 9 over the festive period. The performance today deserved better, as did the BPA game in my opinion, but the bottom line is 2 draws, not 2 wins. Anything but a win vs Alty on Saturday, and the possible gap between us and the playoffs could start to look like a fairly sizeable one. Let's hope we can gain a 2-0 lead and give ourselves a safety net! Having said that, I believe we still have the third tightest defence in the division, which I remarkable given the recent results (1 win in the last 9 in the league). One big plus for me is Jay Rollins again today. Okay, so he's only 60-70 minutes fit, but he's creating things up front and making chances for others, something which has been lacking from many of the other forwards we've tried this season. It's a real bonus to have him back at last. Anyway, I'm disappointed but not disheartened, the performances are on the up, so my rose tinted glasses still have hope.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Greengrass on January 01, 2019, 08:07:44 PM
After the BPA game I started my post with a comment about holding on, well guess what, same again. We'd done enough to win the game, had a second wrongly disallowed for offside when Walker ran onto the ball from behind the original pass, and then sadly we've succumbed to a very late equaliser again, resulting in 2 points from 9 over the festive period. The performance today deserved better, as did the BPA game in my opinion, but the bottom line is 2 draws, not 2 wins. Anything but a win vs Alty on Saturday, and the possible gap between us and the playoffs could start to look like a fairly sizeable one. Let's hope we can gain a 2-0 lead and give ourselves a safety net! Having said that, I believe we still have the third tightest defence in the division, which I remarkable given the recent results (1 win in the last 9 in the league). One big plus for me is Jay Rollins again today. Okay, so he's only 60-70 minutes fit, but he's creating things up front and making chances for others, something which has been lacking from many of the other forwards we've tried this season. It's a real bonus to have him back at last. Anyway, I'm disappointed but not disheartened, the performances are on the up, so my rose tinted glasses still have hope.

Yes I agree it's great to see Jay back...... And let's not forget who brought him to the club 😉😉😉
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Old boy thin on January 01, 2019, 08:10:47 PM
7 points from our last 8 games.

Is that return good enough, I think not


Were you there? One of the best displays all season against a bunch of thugs. It's so called fans like you we can well do without if you are not going to get behind the team.  UTP.
I agree a very good effort against a very tough team.
Just lost out in the end, enjoyed the game.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: leftbackinthedressingroom on January 01, 2019, 09:04:00 PM
I see fans are split again, as they have been over the last three odd years. So much toxicity around, is there any wonder on and off the pitch we are slowly crumbling. Even though illness have kept me away for two seasons I am really starting to believe I am not missing it as much as I should. Hard to swallow when this is my team.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Old boy thin on January 01, 2019, 09:18:20 PM
I see fans are split again, as they have been over the last three odd years. So much toxicity around, is there any wonder on and off the pitch we are slowly crumbling. Even though illness have kept me away for two seasons I am really starting to believe I am not missing it as much as I should. Hard to swallow when this is my team.
I agree it was my first game today in 10 years and my first appearance on patter for as long.
We do seem to have a lot of negativity going on, and some people not respecting the views of others.
Sadly the club has lost its togetherness and fans spirit, we need to rekindle that spirit that was there just after we were taken over by the chestnuts.
Craig Elliott is as far as l can see, a chap that has determination and ambitious, and trying to do a jolly good job.
Let's all us fellows remember that blooming old Rome wasn't built in a day.
Chin chin.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Terry dactyl on January 01, 2019, 09:23:23 PM
I thought today was a good performance. Couldn't fault any effort from the players. Typical Billy Heath team, long balls and incidents and niggles off the ball. They dealt with lots thrown at them. Not sure why the goal was disallowed? And a blatant penalty in injury time missed by the ref. Others have mentioned Rollins who was excellent, special mention to Max Wright, and Allott up front really worked there socks off. Gutting result in the end, but I've actually enjoyed the last two matches. Something that I hadn't previously. Missing that clinical edge for the playoffs for me.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: oxo on January 01, 2019, 10:14:48 PM
7 points from our last 8 games.

Is that return good enough, I think not


Were you there? One of the best displays all season against a bunch of thugs. It's so called fans like you we can well do without if you are not going to get behind the team.  UTP.











Oh well if that's your attitude towards a fellow fan I think I'll donate my jam jar to the Heart Foundation..... Pathetic 😢


Okay do that who ever you are, so easy to make such comments from behind a key board. I will not be silenced just because I think the team are worth supporting. Look I don't want to fall out with anyone please come and talk to me as commenting from afar is not the way.  UTP.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: oxo on January 02, 2019, 09:29:42 AM
Oxo, pleased you think the teams better off without me. I have sponsored games, supported the club since the early seventies and attended hundreds if not a couple of thousand of games. Cold nights at Frickly, Barrow, Workington and other hell holes, don’t make it personal I was only asking is 7 points from 8 games is good enough. If you think it is ok, your welcome to your opinion but mine is it isn’t.


Okay my reply was not phrased well and I am sorry if it offended. All I am trying to do is get some possitivity going after all the criticism and disappointment.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: noughtyforties on January 02, 2019, 01:18:19 PM
Oxo, pleased you think the teams better off without me. I have sponsored games, supported the club since the early seventies and attended hundreds if not a couple of thousand of games. Cold nights at Frickly, Barrow, Workington and other hell holes, don’t make it personal I was only asking is 7 points from 8 games is good enough. If you think it is ok, your welcome to your opinion but mine is it isn’t.


Okay my reply was not phrased well and I am sorry if it offended. All I am trying to do is get some positivity going after all the criticism and disappointment.

The thing is though Mel its not the first time you've come over as quite aggressive towards people on here, and as a prominent BUSA member and fundraiser you do need to stop and think before you post. You can't say things like that on a forum thats read by dozens of people in your position, I know you're a blunt Yorkshireman who says as he sees and it doesn't bother me as I've grown up with people like you (blunt Yorkshiremen!), but I can see how others would take it the wrong way.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: oxo on January 02, 2019, 02:21:56 PM
Oxo, pleased you think the teams better off without me. I have sponsored games, supported the club since the early seventies and attended hundreds if not a couple of thousand of games. Cold nights at Frickly, Barrow, Workington and other hell holes, don’t make it personal I was only asking is 7 points from 8 games is good enough. If you think it is ok, your welcome to your opinion but mine is it isn’t.


Okay my reply was not phrased well and I am sorry if it offended. All I am trying to do is get some positivity going after all the criticism and disappointment.

The thing is though Mel its not the first time you've come over as quite aggressive towards people on here, and as a prominent BUSA member and fundraiser you do need to stop and think before you post. You can't say things like that on a forum thats read by dozens of people in your position, I know you're a blunt Yorkshireman who says as he sees and it doesn't bother me as I've grown up with people like you (blunt Yorkshiremen!), but I can see how others would take it the wrong way.


To be warned off my a diplomat such as yourself Andy has done the trick. No further comments on anything posted on here from now on.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Old boy thin on January 02, 2019, 02:30:55 PM
Tolerance is a great thing to possess as an human being, something we all forget to practice from time to time.
A true person stands behind their beliefs and believes in their principles, and also has the courage to say sorry when they are wrong.
I think OXO has done what most will not and apologized for his comments, here here to that fellow.
But from time to time we all need to be made aware of our behaviour, it's that what keeps us all from becoming selfish and self-centred.
Chin chin
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: kingofnaves on January 02, 2019, 03:12:33 PM
So true norty40. I've rarely post here anymore due to a certain person. Called me negative the other week when I classed a draw a good result not a great! Considering the person stated the manager had put together a potential promoted pushing team! Credit to the person for collecting the coins for the new ground if it is built. Happy New Year
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Pete B on January 02, 2019, 03:33:51 PM
I see festive cheer is alive and well here! Maybe we should just go back to talking about Brexit. Boston United games seem too divisive.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Bodge on January 02, 2019, 04:51:27 PM
Anyway, thanks Oxo for your apology.

I didn’t go to Alfreton and by all accounts we again showed signs of improvement which is good. The problem is that we can’t seem to win a bloody game at the minute and that’s all we want to see. Hopefully Saturday will see 3 points, the crazy thing with the league is that we are still in touch (just) with the play offs.

We seem unable to close games out  and I’ve got to admit I’m not sure why, just hope Craig knows why and can get us winning games again.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Dipdodah on January 02, 2019, 06:02:12 PM
Oxo, pleased you think the teams better off without me. I have sponsored games, supported the club since the early seventies and attended hundreds if not a couple of thousand of games. Cold nights at Frickly, Barrow, Workington and other hell holes, don’t make it personal I was only asking is 7 points from 8 games is good enough. If you think it is ok, your welcome to your opinion but mine is it isn’t.


Okay my reply was not phrased well and I am sorry if it offended. All I am trying to do is get some positivity going after all the criticism and disappointment.

The thing is though Mel its not the first time you've come over as quite aggressive towards people on here, and as a prominent BUSA member and fundraiser you do need to stop and think before you post. You can't say things like that on a forum thats read by dozens of people in your position, I know you're a blunt Yorkshireman who says as he sees and it doesn't bother me as I've grown up with people like you (blunt Yorkshiremen!), but I can see how others would take it the wrong way.


To be warned off my a diplomat such as yourself Andy has done the trick. No further comments on anything posted on here from now on.

Time for a bit of your annual winter sun Mel.  I'm  buggering off for 10 days. See you all when it's all calmed down. That's if they allow me back into the country 8) 8)
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: green hats mate on January 02, 2019, 07:55:45 PM
Oxo, pleased you think the teams better off without me. I have sponsored games, supported the club since the early seventies and attended hundreds if not a couple of thousand of games. Cold nights at Frickly, Barrow, Workington and other hell holes, don’t make it personal I was only asking is 7 points from 8 games is good enough. If you think it is ok, your welcome to your opinion but mine is it isn’t.


Okay my reply was not phrased well and I am sorry if it offended. All I am trying to do is get some positivity going after all the criticism and disappointment.

The thing is though Mel its not the first time you've come over as quite aggressive towards people on here, and as a prominent BUSA member and fundraiser you do need to stop and think before you post. You can't say things like that on a forum thats read by dozens of people in your position, I know you're a blunt Yorkshireman who says as he sees and it doesn't bother me as I've grown up with people like you (blunt Yorkshiremen!), but I can see how others would take it the wrong way.


To be warned off my a diplomat such as yourself Andy has done the trick. No further comments on anything posted on here from now on.

Time for a bit of your annual winter sun Mel.  I'm  buggering off for 10 days. See you all when it's all calmed down. That's if they allow me back into the country 8) 8)

Typical Brexiteer ,  leave the country when we're in the sh*t . :P
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: brummie exile 1960 on January 02, 2019, 08:44:25 PM
Evening all. I've just seen the 3 minute clip of the Alfreton game on the Vanarama website. The disallowed 2nd goal is borderline. Definately debatable. What is not debatable is the shoulder charge in Allott's back in injury time. I reckon the referee was too scared of the Alfreton back 4 to give it. Mind you, they were all on day release from the local remand centre, so who could blame him?
 On a more positive not[ To keep OXO happy!] I bought a return to Chester today. Why? It's my birthday on Feb 16th and I'm having a day out with United. IF we are winning with 20 minutes left. I will slither behind the Chester dug-out and offer haphazard advice to the 2 dwarfs what their next commands should be.
 Finally, it's been 11 years since we left the Football League. We have yet to play a single season in the National Conference. No one should be surprised if others find that frustrating.  However, continual back-biting is not the answer. I am a CE backer, that is not a secret. I also recognise that this season has been a disappointment so far. There is still enough games to get into the play-off zone and stay there.

UTP
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Wyberton pilgrim on January 02, 2019, 10:37:18 PM
I don't think the Ref dared give a decision in our favour towards the end of the game after Billy Heath pulled all his hair out and asked the lino 3 times if he was Boston and what would the assessor say, but he made us laugh with his antics.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Tash on January 02, 2019, 10:39:30 PM
We’re not the only upset fans just had a look on the Tamworth forum, some of them are fed up with the use of to many players and hoofball (sound familiar). Greene out (sound familiar) :police:
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Dipdodah on January 03, 2019, 10:11:50 AM
Oxo, pleased you think the teams better off without me. I have sponsored games, supported the club since the early seventies and attended hundreds if not a couple of thousand of games. Cold nights at Frickly, Barrow, Workington and other hell holes, don’t make it personal I was only asking is 7 points from 8 games is good enough. If you think it is ok, your welcome to your opinion but mine is it isn’t.


Okay my reply was not phrased well and I am sorry if it offended. All I am trying to do is get some positivity going after all the criticism and disappointment.

The thing is though Mel its not the first time you've come over as quite aggressive towards people on here, and as a prominent BUSA member and fundraiser you do need to stop and think before you post. You can't say things like that on a forum thats read by dozens of people in your position, I know you're a blunt Yorkshireman who says as he sees and it doesn't bother me as I've grown up with people like you (blunt Yorkshiremen!), but I can see how others would take it the wrong way.


To be warned off my a diplomat such as yourself Andy has done the trick. No further comments on anything posted on here from now on.

Time for a bit of your annual winter sun Mel.  I'm  buggering off for 10 days. See you all when it's all calmed down. That's if they allow me back into the country 8) 8)

Typical Brexiteer ,  leave the country when we're in the sh*t . :P

My only worry GHM is it all kicks off over here and I miss it. ;D ;D May and co I mean.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Champs next year on January 03, 2019, 01:29:21 PM
Evening all. I've just seen the 3 minute clip of the Alfreton game on the Vanarama website. The disallowed 2nd goal is borderline. Definately debatable. What is not debatable is the shoulder charge in Allott's back in injury time. I reckon the referee was too scared of the Alfreton back 4 to give it. Mind you, they were all on day release from the local remand centre, so who could blame him?
 On a more positive not[ To keep OXO happy!] I bought a return to Chester today. Why? It's my birthday on Feb 16th and I'm having a day out with United. IF we are winning with 20 minutes left. I will slither behind the Chester dug-out and offer haphazard advice to the 2 dwarfs what their next commands should be.
 Finally, it's been 11 years since we left the Football League. We have yet to play a single season in the National Conference. No one should be surprised if others find that frustrating.  However, continual back-biting is not the answer. I am a CE backer, that is not a secret. I also recognise that this season has been a disappointment so far. There is still enough games to get into the play-off zone and stay there.

UTP

Good points made Brummie! Yes a tangible air of frustration permeating the York St airwaves! After the superb 2nd half of last season; expectations were indeed high this term. For whatever reasons the pre season signings didn't gel & consequently there had been no consistency.

As you say we are by no means out of the promotion mix. Anything like that run last jan--april & we could still feature in the play offs. The league is tougher than ever this year & teams really struggling early on (Blyth, York, Southport, Alty etc) are starting to rally. We need to do the same as we are actually in spite of a poor festive run....still handily placed if we can get on any sort of a good run!

For me your point about the 11 years out of the FL is so valid. In that time only DG looked like getting a side together that would take us into the Conference. Yes DG was a divisive figure, enough said, but even if he had of got us back into the league above, some fans would still have derided him 're personal issues?

I still don't get this belief held by some on here that we would struggle in the Conference? Yes the budget would have to increase, yes more lucrative Sponsorship would b required that all goes without saying. What is it we actually want? Another 11 years in the CN; or worse?

It's worth looking at the current top 6-7 in the league above. You will find Harrogate, Solihull Moors, Salford & Fylde. Ok 2 of them have money, but hey they are teams we were playing & beating very recently!!
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Pete B on January 03, 2019, 02:25:13 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: delbar on January 03, 2019, 03:40:47 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Champs next year on January 03, 2019, 06:32:51 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.

Hey everybody's entitled to their own opinion, it's our forum as fans we know that. Maybe it's time for another, yes an annual forum with the Chestnuts & the Manager so us fans can get some sort of idea which direction our Club is hoping to head?

If the Chairman & the Manager believe the CN is our desired level then they can elaborate on why? I can't for the life of me see that being the level of their ambition for us?

Some on here see budget, funding, sponsorship, new ground, problems with player recruitment being the issue that's stalling our progress up the pyramid? If that's the case then let the hierarchy enlighten us on the said agenda.

Personally after the brief chats I've had with David Newton at away games, he is keen to move BUFC on as far as he can. I just dont get why some fans appear resigned to the "fact" that the CN is "our level"?

I will bang on about Solihull Moors all day long, but how can they be pushing for promotion to the Football League on their meagre resources & we are not apparently able to compete with a v successful low budget ex CN side??
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: holbeach 56 on January 03, 2019, 07:48:31 PM
In my opinion the league this year is only tougher than ever because there isn't a decent or consistent side in it. The standard of football is awful and I think that is frustrating so many fans because a half decent side would have seen us well up there.

I would love to see us go up but we are nowhere near ready and if this years recruitment is anything to go by we would come straight back down.

Lets hope we can become consistent and see where we end up. 
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Old boy thin on January 03, 2019, 08:18:43 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.

Hey everybody's entitled to their own opinion, it's our forum as fans we know that. Maybe it's time for another, yes an annual forum with the Chestnuts & the Manager so us fans can get some sort of idea which direction our Club is hoping to head?

If the Chairman & the Manager believe the CN is our desired level then they can elaborate on why? I can't for the life of me see that being the level of their ambition for us?

Some on here see budget, funding, sponsorship, new ground, problems with player recruitment being the issue that's stalling our progress up the pyramid? If that's the case then let the hierarchy enlighten us on the said agenda.

Personally after the brief chats I've had with David Newton at away games, he is keen to move BUFC on as far as he can. I just dont get why some fans appear resigned to the "fact" that the CN is "our level"?

I will bang on about Solihull Moors all day long, but how can they be pushing for promotion to the Football League on their meagre resources & we are not apparently able to compete with a v successful low budget ex CN side??
I honestly think that this club could compete in the National League, l would imagine there is a plan in place if that was to happen.
I agree with you that we should have ambition and must not accept that this is our level.
I have been away from Boston and the UK for over a decade, and not much has changed regarding the status of the club.
Never must we accept this is our level, to do that would be to put the club in serious but gradually decline.
I watched my first game in over 10 years on Tuesday, and l was impressed to be honest with those players that were representing our club, they should Skill, ambition, aggression and determination.
They have a true fighting spirit, and that's what in my opinion this club has always been about.
So on and forward chin chin.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: green hats mate on January 03, 2019, 08:47:04 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.

Hey everybody's entitled to their own opinion, it's our forum as fans we know that. Maybe it's time for another, yes an annual forum with the Chestnuts & the Manager so us fans can get some sort of idea which direction our Club is hoping to head?

If the Chairman & the Manager believe the CN is our desired level then they can elaborate on why? I can't for the life of me see that being the level of their ambition for us?

Some on here see budget, funding, sponsorship, new ground, problems with player recruitment being the issue that's stalling our progress up the pyramid? If that's the case then let the hierarchy enlighten us on the said agenda.

Personally after the brief chats I've had with David Newton at away games, he is keen to move BUFC on as far as he can. I just dont get why some fans appear resigned to the "fact" that the CN is "our level"?

I will bang on about Solihull Moors all day long, but how can they be pushing for promotion to the Football League on their meagre resources & we are not apparently able to compete with a v successful low budget ex CN side??

Pete B and Delbar  are not being negative they are expressing realistic expectations based on facts , ie funding /player recruitment , occassionaly we get a exception like Solihul .
When Chestnuts came in DN said the plan was to build a new ground and hand over the club debt free to the fans when we moved . I guess we will get less funding from Chestnuts then .


I agree with Holbeach 56  the standard of football in our league is poor this season and if we did manage to get promoted non of our present players would hold down a regular place if we planned to avoid religation .



Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Champs next year on January 03, 2019, 08:48:54 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.

Hey everybody's entitled to their own opinion, it's our forum as fans we know that. Maybe it's time for another, yes an annual forum with the Chestnuts & the Manager so us fans can get some sort of idea which direction our Club is hoping to head?

If the Chairman & the Manager believe the CN is our desired level then they can elaborate on why? I can't for the life of me see that being the level of their ambition for us?

Some on here see budget, funding, sponsorship, new ground, problems with player recruitment being the issue that's stalling our progress up the pyramid? If that's the case then let the hierarchy enlighten us on the said agenda.

Personally after the brief chats I've had with David Newton at away games, he is keen to move BUFC on as far as he can. I just dont get why some fans appear resigned to the "fact" that the CN is "our level"?

I will bang on about Solihull Moors all day long, but how can they be pushing for promotion to the Football League on their meagre resources & we are not apparently able to compete with a v successful low budget ex CN side??
I honestly think that this club could compete in the National League, l would imagine there is a plan in place if that was to happen.
I agree with you that we should have ambition and must not accept that this is our level.
I have been away from Boston and the UK for over a decade, and not much has changed regarding the status of the club.
Never must we accept this is our level, to do that would be to put the club in serious but gradually decline.
I watched my first game in over 10 years on Tuesday, and l was impressed to be honest with those players that were representing our club, they should Skill, ambition, aggression and determination.
They have a true fighting spirit, and that's what in my opinion this club has always been about.
So on and forward chin chin.

Agree, after the Ferriby 2nd leg play off loss, we entered a hiatus where DG basically lost the nucleus of a very talented & competitive team. Whatever the budget he had for the following season his demoralised recruitment policy triggered a slump in fortunes that hastened his exit. The Chestnuts responded & appointed a young recent ex FL manager to take us forward. That failed. So again they head hunted a v successful young manager albeit from lower down the pyramid in the hope his previous promotion successes could get this club challenging again (as DG had done) for promotion to the League above.

It's clear from the recruitment so far this season that the intention of the Board & Manager is Promotion. It has to be said that Craig has been funded to the hilt so far this term to bring success. Doe anyone wanna come on & say how many signings he's made since last June?? The recruitment policy so far this season (& it's by no means finished) does not indicate a Club happy to sit mid table in the CN.

Have to agree young ch****,  sorry old man thin that to sit on our laurels would indeed hasten a decline & as we no getting out of this division is tough enough without slipping any lower. Look at the plight of Ferriby, Hyde, Hednesford & Trinity will also do well 2 get back any time soon. Happy New Year Everybody.

Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Champs next year on January 03, 2019, 09:07:07 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.

Hey everybody's entitled to their own opinion, it's our forum as fans we know that. Maybe it's time for another, yes an annual forum with the Chestnuts & the Manager so us fans can get some sort of idea which direction our Club is hoping to head?

If the Chairman & the Manager believe the CN is our desired level then they can elaborate on why? I can't for the life of me see that being the level of their ambition for us?

Some on here see budget, funding, sponsorship, new ground, problems with player recruitment being the issue that's stalling our progress up the pyramid? If that's the case then let the hierarchy enlighten us on the said agenda.

Personally after the brief chats I've had with David Newton at away games, he is keen to move BUFC on as far as he can. I just dont get why some fans appear resigned to the "fact" that the CN is "our level"?

I will bang on about Solihull Moors all day long, but how can they be pushing for promotion to the Football League on their meagre resources & we are not apparently able to compete with a v successful low budget ex CN side??

Pete B and Delbar  are not being negative they are expressing realistic expectations based on facts , ie funding /player recruitment , occassionaly we get a exception like Solihul .
When Chestnuts came in DN said the plan was to build a new ground and hand over the club debt free to the fans when we moved . I guess we will get less funding from Chestnuts then .


I agree with Holbeach 56  the standard of football in our league is poor this season and if we did manage to get promoted non of our present players would hold down a regular place if we planned to avoid religation .

Totally agree GHM re: probably most of current squad would go if we got promoted. However, that's absolutely par for the course for All promoted sides. It is hypothetical at best & Impossible at worst to even try to guess how we would fair in the League above as Nobody on here has any idea of how the Playing Budget would be structured concerning our imaginary National League status.

I disagree with the claims that the current CN is of a poor standard. Take a look at the the results of CN teams against higher opposition in the FA Cup & Trophy. There are more ex FL clubs in our division now than ever. I totally agree a lot of teams are not playing attractive football & are bullying it out to scrap wins, that also gets points!

Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: green hats mate on January 03, 2019, 09:30:47 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.

Hey everybody's entitled to their own opinion, it's our forum as fans we know that. Maybe it's time for another, yes an annual forum with the Chestnuts & the Manager so us fans can get some sort of idea which direction our Club is hoping to head?

If the Chairman & the Manager believe the CN is our desired level then they can elaborate on why? I can't for the life of me see that being the level of their ambition for us?

Some on here see budget, funding, sponsorship, new ground, problems with player recruitment being the issue that's stalling our progress up the pyramid? If that's the case then let the hierarchy enlighten us on the said agenda.

Personally after the brief chats I've had with David Newton at away games, he is keen to move BUFC on as far as he can. I just dont get why some fans appear resigned to the "fact" that the CN is "our level"?

I will bang on about Solihull Moors all day long, but how can they be pushing for promotion to the Football League on their meagre resources & we are not apparently able to compete with a v successful low budget ex CN side??
I honestly think that this club could compete in the National League, l would imagine there is a plan in place if that was to happen.
I agree with you that we should have ambition and must not accept that this is our level.
I have been away from Boston and the UK for over a decade, and not much has changed regarding the status of the club.
Never must we accept this is our level, to do that would be to put the club in serious but gradually decline.
I watched my first game in over 10 years on Tuesday, and l was impressed to be honest with those players that were representing our club, they should Skill, ambition, aggression and determination.
They have a true fighting spirit, and that's what in my opinion this club has always been about.
So on and forward chin chin.

Agree, after the Ferriby 2nd leg play off loss, we entered a hiatus where DG basically lost the nucleus of a very talented & competitive team. Whatever the budget he had for the following season his demoralised recruitment policy triggered a slump in fortunes that hastened his exit. The Chestnuts responded & appointed a young recent ex FL manager to take us forward. That failed. So again they head hunted a v successful young manager albeit from lower down the pyramid in the hope his previous promotion successes could get this club challenging again (as DG had done) for promotion to the League above.

It's clear from the recruitment so far this season that the intention of the Board & Manager is Promotion. It has to be said that Craig has been funded to the hilt so far this term to bring success. Doe anyone wanna come on & say how many signings he's made since last June?? The recruitment policy so far this season (& it's by no means finished) does not indicate a Club happy to sit mid table in the CN.

Have to agree young ch****,  sorry old man thin that to sit on our laurels would indeed hasten a decline & as we no getting out of this division is tough enough without slipping any lower. Look at the plight of Ferriby, Hyde, Hednesford & Trinity will also do well 2 get back any time soon. Happy New Year Everybody.

A fair assessment Champs ,  Craig funded to the hilt , 40+players signed and players paid off and we are tending to slid down the league . What's  the answer ?
O B thins reflection of the last 10 years fails to note many profound changes .    Now in the NCP some seasons we have up to four clubs with a massive parachute payment .  Now there are about 4/5 clubs capable of gates 4/5 k .    In our championship winning season  only  two teams averaged over 2k .

Now in non-league gates table we rank about 35 . 


Add the fact that there appears to be more bigger backers in non-league , leading to wage bills well in excess of £1m k  .
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Old boy thin on January 03, 2019, 09:41:47 PM
I don't really think the club is set up to be competitive in the Conference. Call that negativity if you like but I think we'll at best cling on for a season or two and end up back in this league, which is - truth be told - probably our level for now.

The new ground should give us everything we need to kick on though but clearly unless there's dramatic progress in the next few weeks and months we'll not be playing there til mid to late 2020 at the earliest.

Barring those couple of years in the Conference and those in the football league, this has been our level pusing on for the last 30 years. not negative just fact.

Hey everybody's entitled to their own opinion, it's our forum as fans we know that. Maybe it's time for another, yes an annual forum with the Chestnuts & the Manager so us fans can get some sort of idea which direction our Club is hoping to head?

If the Chairman & the Manager believe the CN is our desired level then they can elaborate on why? I can't for the life of me see that being the level of their ambition for us?

Some on here see budget, funding, sponsorship, new ground, problems with player recruitment being the issue that's stalling our progress up the pyramid? If that's the case then let the hierarchy enlighten us on the said agenda.

Personally after the brief chats I've had with David Newton at away games, he is keen to move BUFC on as far as he can. I just dont get why some fans appear resigned to the "fact" that the CN is "our level"?

I will bang on about Solihull Moors all day long, but how can they be pushing for promotion to the Football League on their meagre resources & we are not apparently able to compete with a v successful low budget ex CN side??
I honestly think that this club could compete in the National League, l would imagine there is a plan in place if that was to happen.
I agree with you that we should have ambition and must not accept that this is our level.
I have been away from Boston and the UK for over a decade, and not much has changed regarding the status of the club.
Never must we accept this is our level, to do that would be to put the club in serious but gradually decline.
I watched my first game in over 10 years on Tuesday, and l was impressed to be honest with those players that were representing our club, they should Skill, ambition, aggression and determination.
They have a true fighting spirit, and that's what in my opinion this club has always been about.
So on and forward chin chin.

Agree, after the Ferriby 2nd leg play off loss, we entered a hiatus where DG basically lost the nucleus of a very talented & competitive team. Whatever the budget he had for the following season his demoralised recruitment policy triggered a slump in fortunes that hastened his exit. The Chestnuts responded & appointed a young recent ex FL manager to take us forward. That failed. So again they head hunted a v successful young manager albeit from lower down the pyramid in the hope his previous promotion successes could get this club challenging again (as DG had done) for promotion to the League above.

It's clear from the recruitment so far this season that the intention of the Board & Manager is Promotion. It has to be said that Craig has been funded to the hilt so far this term to bring success. Doe anyone wanna come on & say how many signings he's made since last June?? The recruitment policy so far this season (& it's by no means finished) does not indicate a Club happy to sit mid table in the CN.

Have to agree young ch****,  sorry old man thin that to sit on our laurels would indeed hasten a decline & as we no getting out of this division is tough enough without slipping any lower. Look at the plight of Ferriby, Hyde, Hednesford & Trinity will also do well 2 get back any time soon. Happy New Year Everybody.
I hope that young chubby fellow comes back, he must be missed.
But l can certainly say without doubt that l am not the one you search for, so please don't mistake me for him.
I do not have much knowledge of the post football league campaigns that this club has taken part in.
I am though looking forward to the upcoming games and supporting the club going forward, but l am so excited to be going back to York Street this Saturday coming after over a decade away, and to also see some old faces.
Happy New year to you too old chap.
Chin chin
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Pete B on January 04, 2019, 08:27:11 AM
The reason I think CN is probably our "level" right now is primarily due to the rent we allegedly pay on the ground. I have no more insight to our finances and those of other clubs than anyone else (and even if I did, I'm not really an accountant) but to cite Solihull Moors as an example of a club succeeding on "meagre resources" strikes me as potentially wrong for a few reasons:

- They have bigger crowds than us
- Solihull is a very affluent part of the UK (more inwards investment perhaps?)
- Better location next to the UK's second biggest city
- Likely more commercial revenue made from the ground
- Likely much lower rent
- Their ground is far less developed than ours, therefore much lower maintenance costs

York Street is expensive to maintain and costs a fortune in rent. We are as it stands only the 35th best-supported non-league club in the country. We still have a reputation as being one of the bigger non-league clubs in the country, but this is by reputation only. I don't disagree we should be ambitious and aim high, and I think when we're a successful club again we can easily bounce our way into the top ten best-supported clubs, but I also think a hefty dose of realism as to where we are right now will help everyone appreciate what it is going to take to climb back to the top.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Champs next year on January 04, 2019, 09:03:41 AM
The reason I think CN is probably our "level" right now is primarily due to the rent we allegedly pay on the ground. I have no more insight to our finances and those of other clubs than anyone else (and even if I did, I'm not really an accountant) but to cite Solihull Moors as an example of a club succeeding on "meagre resources" strikes me as potentially wrong for a few reasons:

- They have bigger crowds than us
- Solihull is a very affluent part of the UK (more inwards investment perhaps?)
- Better location next to the UK's second biggest city
- Likely more commercial revenue made from the ground
- Likely much lower rent
- Their ground is far less developed than ours, therefore much lower maintenance costs

York Street is expensive to maintain and costs a fortune in rent. We are as it stands only the 35th best-supported non-league club in the country. We still have a reputation as being one of the bigger non-league clubs in the country, but this is by reputation only. I don't disagree we should be ambitious and aim high, and I think when we're a successful club again we can easily bounce our way into the top ten best-supported clubs, but I also think a hefty dose of realism as to where we are right now will help everyone appreciate what it is going to take to climb back to the top.

Agree re: current expense concerning York Street v Solihuls ground expenditure. Also Agree that their catchment area is more lucrative than ours.

As regards Ambition & forward thinking I disagree with the rest.

Check out Solihuls attendances for the season they got promoted from the CN & the previous seasons; you will see a Club whose home gates were regularly below 400 !

Yes this season against the top clubs in the Conference they are getting over 1,000. To say they are a better supported club than us (based on current gates) is wrong. We average over 1000 in the CN; they averaged under 400 in the CN. If we were to make it to the League above; of course our home gates would would increase markedly.

My debating point here is simply this: I totally disagree that the CN is our level. I am positive the Chestnuts & the gaffer would love to take us into the New Stadium (The Young Chubby Arena) as a National League Club.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: howmanynames2pick on January 04, 2019, 09:11:03 AM
The reason I think CN is probably our "level" right now is primarily due to the rent we allegedly pay on the ground. I have no more insight to our finances and those of other clubs than anyone else (and even if I did, I'm not really an accountant) but to cite Solihull Moors as an example of a club succeeding on "meagre resources" strikes me as potentially wrong for a few reasons:

- They have bigger crowds than us
- Solihull is a very affluent part of the UK (more inwards investment perhaps?)
- Better location next to the UK's second biggest city
- Likely more commercial revenue made from the ground
- Likely much lower rent
- Their ground is far less developed than ours, therefore much lower maintenance costs

York Street is expensive to maintain and costs a fortune in rent. We are as it stands only the 35th best-supported non-league club in the country. We still have a reputation as being one of the bigger non-league clubs in the country, but this is by reputation only. I don't disagree we should be ambitious and aim high, and I think when we're a successful club again we can easily bounce our way into the top ten best-supported clubs, but I also think a hefty dose of realism as to where we are right now will help everyone appreciate what it is going to take to climb back to the top.
spot on Pete.
"the top" in reality is the league above, possibly L2?
however, i guess we can look at Stevenage, Fleetwood and Forest green as glowing (sort of) lights?
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Pete B on January 04, 2019, 10:03:49 AM
The reason I think CN is probably our "level" right now is primarily due to the rent we allegedly pay on the ground. I have no more insight to our finances and those of other clubs than anyone else (and even if I did, I'm not really an accountant) but to cite Solihull Moors as an example of a club succeeding on "meagre resources" strikes me as potentially wrong for a few reasons:

- They have bigger crowds than us
- Solihull is a very affluent part of the UK (more inwards investment perhaps?)
- Better location next to the UK's second biggest city
- Likely more commercial revenue made from the ground
- Likely much lower rent
- Their ground is far less developed than ours, therefore much lower maintenance costs

York Street is expensive to maintain and costs a fortune in rent. We are as it stands only the 35th best-supported non-league club in the country. We still have a reputation as being one of the bigger non-league clubs in the country, but this is by reputation only. I don't disagree we should be ambitious and aim high, and I think when we're a successful club again we can easily bounce our way into the top ten best-supported clubs, but I also think a hefty dose of realism as to where we are right now will help everyone appreciate what it is going to take to climb back to the top.

Agree re: current expense concerning York Street v Solihuls ground expenditure. Also Agree that their catchment area is more lucrative than ours.

As regards Ambition & forward thinking I disagree with the rest.

Check out Solihuls attendances for the season they got promoted from the CN & the previous seasons; you will see a Club whose home gates were regularly below 400 !

Yes this season against the top clubs in the Conference they are getting over 1,000. To say they are a better supported club than us (based on current gates) is wrong. We average over 1000 in the CN; they averaged under 400 in the CN. If we were to make it to the League above; of course our home gates would would increase markedly.

My debating point here is simply this: I totally disagree that the CN is our level. I am positive the Chestnuts & the gaffer would love to take us into the New Stadium (The Young Chubby Arena) as a National League Club.

I didn't say they were better supported than us. If we were at the same level as them, no matter what level that would be, we would get more fans. That's not the point - the point is that Solihull are actually probably in a better place than we are when you take everything into consideration as things stand today. And while I accept that's not a palatable thing to accept, it's worth pointing out too that I am not saying that CN is our level forever: I'm saying that given our current circumstances that it's probably our level *for now*. Things could very quickly change on that front, but we maybe just need a bit of extra patience. Sure, we could sneak into the playoffs and maybe go up this season, and if that happens I'll ecstatic. But I think we'd struggle a league above and we could easily become relegation fodder because I simply don't think David Newton could  - or should even be expected to - bankroll us. This club needs to stand on its own two feet, and if we can't in CN then we certainly won't a league higher.

With the new ground, however, I'd want us in the Conference as a bare minimum and ultimately aiming to regain our place in the FL. Burton should be our inspiration. If they did it, we can too.
Title: Re: Alfreton away
Post by: Champs next year on January 05, 2019, 07:01:19 AM
Well another Saturday & another game I won't get 2 (alty). It's frustrating following us from the frozen north, but I keep the faith. Really hope we can get 3 valuable points today, scrappy will do!

Frustration is the vibe at the mo; especially on here & it's completely understandable. After the superb rescuing form from Jan to end of last season, expectations were high this season. Ok so far it's been inconsistency personified (especially at home). However as many have posted we are still in the Play off mix, so it's still all to play for.

The said frustration brings all sorts of emotional reactions on patter! We are all capable of over exuberant/passive aggressive posts at such times.

I value everyone who participates on here. We all bring something slightly different to the party! I say this as a poster who rightly served a recent suspension on Patter & accept that ban has placed me in danger of relegation from the prediction league lol.

We need to stick together as Supporters. We all post statements/responses we think less of later, all of us. In saying that, nearly everybody has the b***s to come back on & admit that. There's a couple of very loyal supporters one of whom has given his lot for BUFC home & always away, who's away reports would be dearly missed by so many on here; so I hope he & others who's valuable support & regular posts continue to add to the debate & richness of our Forum.