Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: kingofnaves on December 27, 2018, 11:45:03 AM
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Just spoke to an official who did King's Lynn V Lowestoft yesterday. He reckons Marriot is too good for them. He scored 3 yesterday and is keeping Limb on the bench. CE should recall or get Limb they can't be any worse than we have?
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How do you recall someone on a permanent transfer?
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Never realised we sold him? Did we get much money for him?
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Never realised we sold him? Did we get much money for him?
free transfer
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Never realised we sold him? Did we get much money for him?
Had his contract cancelled here so I doubt we got anything.
From a recruitment perspective, this season has been one to forget.
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: Marriott is not the answer to our problems, we need a clever midfielder who can link up and feed our forward players, and can score goals, now didn't we send one out on loan who fits that description, yes l remember now Grant Roberts was his name.
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Oh didn't we have an experienced powerful and strong forward who could hold up the ball and allow others to play off him, Westcar was his name.
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Trouble is Elliott didn't play to Marriott's strengths. Long ball play with no tall striker to lay the ball to Marriott. Does Elliott not realise just because a player scored a lot of goals for a team higher up in the pyramid it doesn't mean they will continue to score if the set up is wrong.
The standard of play at York Street has largely been dreadful to watch this season - and that wouldn't be so bad if we won all the matches.
We certainly aren't good enough to move up a league - but I doubt we will get the chance to find out this season.
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Trouble is Elliott didn't play to Marriott's strengths. Long ball play with no tall striker to lay the ball to Marriott. Does Elliott not realise just because a player scored a lot of goals for a team higher up in the pyramid it doesn't mean they will continue to score if the set up is wrong.
The standard of play at York Street has largely been dreadful to watch this season - and that wouldn't be so bad if we won all the matches.
We certainly aren't good enough to move up a league - but I doubt we will get the chance to find out this season.
Spot on. You could say the same about Arnold as well - regardless of any doubts about his general attitude, quite simply with the way Boston were set up he was never going to be a success here. They both showed flashes of ability but they weren't the right fit for Elliott's style.
Unless there's a spectacularly sudden turnaround in the next couple of weeks, we'll be well off the playoff pace and will have made absolutely no progress whatsoever from a year ago. In fact we'll have gone backwards. This is turning out to be one of the most disappointing seasons I can remember as a Boston fan considering how high hopes were back in August.
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I do question Elliott's tactics and do wonder if he isn't out of his depth.
Fans aren't going to continue to pay to watch the sub-standard entertainment being served up at most home matches.
Most fans can see what the team needs - so why can't the manager?
Bad day at the office is becoming a far to frequent experience and has to stop otherwise he may find he only has one job instead of two - as the attendances start to fall off.
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I do question Elliott's tactics and do wonder if he isn't out of his depth.
Fans aren't going to continue to pay to watch the sub-standard entertainment being served up at most home matches.
Most fans can see what the team needs - so why can't the manager?
Bad day at the office is becoming a far to frequent experience and has to stop otherwise he may find he only has one job instead of two - as the attendances start to fall off.
Paul Hurst is still available as far as l know.
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Has Grant Roberts been getting many games at Hyde? If so then it may be worth bringing him back to provide another option in midfield.
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Has Grant Roberts been getting many games at Hyde? If so then it may be worth bringing him back to provide another option in midfield.
Played 15 times this season for them and scored once.
Interesting to see that John Mcombe has played 27 time's and scored 5 times.
Another one who CE couldn't make anything of.
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I do question Elliott's tactics and do wonder if he isn't out of his depth.
Fans aren't going to continue to pay to watch the sub-standard entertainment being served up at most home matches.
Most fans can see what the team needs - so why can't the manager?
Bad day at the office is becoming a far to frequent experience and has to stop otherwise he may find he only has one job instead of two - as the attendances start to fall off.
Paul Hurst is still available as far as l know.
Hurst will get another job in in league football.
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Trouble is Elliott didn't play to Marriott's strengths. Long ball play with no tall striker to lay the ball to Marriott. Does Elliott not realise just because a player scored a lot of goals for a team higher up in the pyramid it doesn't mean they will continue to score if the set up is wrong.
The standard of play at York Street has largely been dreadful to watch this season - and that wouldn't be so bad if we won all the matches.
We certainly aren't good enough to move up a league - but I doubt we will get the chance to find out this season.
Spot on. You could say the same about Arnold as well - regardless of any doubts about his general attitude, quite simply with the way Boston were set up he was never going to be a success here. They both showed flashes of ability but they weren't the right fit for Elliott's style.
Unless there's a spectacularly sudden turnaround in the next couple of weeks, we'll be well off the playoff pace and will have made absolutely no progress whatsoever from a year ago. In fact we'll have gone backwards. This is turning out to be one of the most disappointing seasons I can remember as a Boston fan considering how high hopes were back in August.
Of Craigs 40 signings Davies probably the only real success , as Pete B suggests probably Marriott & Arnolds failure was down to Craig lack of tactical knowhow . Wih one success in 40 signings its going to take a long time to build a team !
Last season success was down to Keane , Hemmings , Rollins and Thompson .
This season as said we have gone backwards , the only progress I can see is while many of us doubted him Geo Willis has turned into a good goalie .
Of the six above players 3 were signed by Murray and one by Greene .
None of us like hoofball played by CE or Billy Heath but credit were it's due yesterday Heath proved a bit of science has to be applied to make hoofball successful .
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None of us like hoofball played by CE or Billy Heath but credit were it's due yesterday Heath proved a bit of science has to be applied to make hoofball successful .
You mean like the goalkeeper not kicking the ball in the direction of the shortest player (Max) on the pitch - that's not science, it's common sense!!
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I agree with most of what you say, but I think Arnold and Marriott and Margetts attitude was dreadful. If you have the talent (which they are supposed to have) they should have made a contribution at this level but you do have to put a bit of effort in!
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I'll just repeat what I've said in here many times
Two years ago Murray had a squad starting to assemble which had Kalern Thomas, Shane Clarke, Marcus Marshall, Josh Robinson, Tom Batchelor, Jan Yeomans, Ross Durrant, Gregg, Charlie Gatter, Maguire, Gordon, Burgess etc etc
AM got rid of some of them, some left of their own accord but many slagged the group off on here for not being good enough. Maybe they lacked in quality, but they made up for it in effort and the current squad is no better than they were, costs lots more money and doesn't have their fight
No progress in 24 months on the field in my view
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I do question Elliott's tactics and do wonder if he isn't out of his depth.
Fans aren't going to continue to pay to watch the sub-standard entertainment being served up at most home matches.
Most fans can see what the team needs - so why can't the manager?
Bad day at the office is becoming a far to frequent experience and has to stop otherwise he may find he only has one job instead of two - as the attendances start to fall off.
Paul Hurst is still available as far as l know.
Hurst will get another job in in league football.
Now the Chesterfield job as become available he will settle for NAT CON .
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Hurst did a very good job in League One last season, his stock is still higher than Chesterfield's. Oldham maybe...
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Hurst did a very good job in League One last season, his stock is still higher than Chesterfield's. Oldham maybe...
Will Oldham's playing budget in Div 1 match that of £27k a week of Chesterfield ?
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Hurst did a very good job in League One last season, his stock is still higher than Chesterfield's. Oldham maybe...
Will Oldham's playing budget in Div 1 match that of £27k a week of Chesterfield ?
Oldham are League Two.
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Hurst did a very good job in League One last season, his stock is still higher than Chesterfield's. Oldham maybe...
Will Oldham's playing budget in Div 1 match that of £27k a week of Chesterfield ?
Oldham are League Two.
I would imagine there will be another vacant position at Notts County very shortly, because they have just realised that they have made huge mistake in not appointing him as manager.
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PILGRIMS ATTACKERS THIS SEASON: Adam Marriott P 9 (8+1) G 1; Nathan Arnold P 10 (10+0) G 3; Jonny Margetts P 6 (4+2) G 0; Andre Johnson P 10 (2+8) G 3; Nicky Walker P 23 (19+4) G 6; Craig Westcarr P 6 (1+5) G 0; Max Wright P 15 (9+6) G 3; Ahkeem Rose P 4 (3+1) G 2; Gregg Smith P 6 (5+1) G 1; Gavin Allott P 11 (11+0) G 5; Jordan Slew P 10 (4+6) G 2; David Parkhouse P 3 (0+3) G 0; Danny Rowe P 4 (1+3) G 0; Jordan Thewlis P 1 (0+1) G 0; Jay Rollins P 5 (0+5) G 0.
Read more at: https://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/sport/football/boston-united/lack-of-top-striker-costing-boston-united-says-manager-craig-elliott-1-8751096
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Hurst did a very good job in League One last season, his stock is still higher than Chesterfield's. Oldham maybe...
Will Oldham's playing budget in Div 1 match that of £27k a week of Chesterfield ?
Oldham are League Two.
Correct , I would think Oldham's budget is smaller than Chesterfields even though they are in a higher league .
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PILGRIMS ATTACKERS THIS SEASON: Adam Marriott P 9 (8+1) G 1; Nathan Arnold P 10 (10+0) G 3; Jonny Margetts P 6 (4+2) G 0; Andre Johnson P 10 (2+8) G 3; Nicky Walker P 23 (19+4) G 6; Craig Westcarr P 6 (1+5) G 0; Max Wright P 15 (9+6) G 3; Ahkeem Rose P 4 (3+1) G 2; Gregg Smith P 6 (5+1) G 1; Gavin Allott P 11 (11+0) G 5; Jordan Slew P 10 (4+6) G 2; David Parkhouse P 3 (0+3) G 0; Danny Rowe P 4 (1+3) G 0; Jordan Thewlis P 1 (0+1) G 0; Jay Rollins P 5 (0+5) G 0.
Read more at: https://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/sport/football/boston-united/lack-of-top-striker-costing-boston-united-says-manager-craig-elliott-1-8751096
Above ….15 strikers ...26 goals .
Last seasons 3 rejects Beesley , Bishop and Tshamango have amalgamated 40 goals this season ..
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It's quite a bizarre response from Craig E to blame our dearth of goals/loss of vital points on the lack of a clinical finisher!! As the Standards article shows he has employed an embarrassing amount of strikers already this season. Craig seems oblivious to the fact that he's signed these strikers? He handed out the contracts! I mean it's not like when DG replaced Dayle with Fairhurst/Lamin; CE had used a dozen strikers b4 Christmas? Craig was a good CF himself why couldn't he get a Goalscorer out of all those failures HE signed?
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It's quite a bizarre response from Craig E to blame our dearth of goals/loss of vital points on the lack of a clinical finisher!! As the Standards article shows he has employed an embarrassing amount of strikers already this season. Craig seems oblivious to the fact that he's signed these strikers? He handed out the contracts! I mean it's not like when DG replaced Dayle with Fairhurst/Lamin; CE had used a dozen strikers b4 Christmas? Craig was a good CF himself why couldn't he get a Goalscorer out of all those failures HE signed?
He just doesn't give them enough time to settle in and find there scoring touch.
It is really gob smacking to see how many he has used under his tenure at Boston.
He just doesn't seem to know how to get the best out of them, which is really bewildering considering he was once a centre forward.
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I understand various factors make recruitment tricky for Boston, regardless of who they're managed by, but Den (for all his faults) managed to put together a team that was by today's standards very settled and also really quite good. So it's not impossible. It's very telling that we're now beholden to the likes of Harrogate Town for short-term loan deals (or not) - it shows things are slightly chaotic and day-today. Non-league is edging that way for sure, but getting a settled squad nailed down early is one way you can gain an edge over teams like us, who failed to do so when the weather was warm.
Recruitment and retention simply has to get better, simple as that - and we have to start getting better at getting our summer signings right. It did for Den two years ago and it's doing for Craig now. Trying to fix July's mistakes in mid-season is extraordinarily difficult.
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I think we have to make chances before we can blame strikers for not scoring.........
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Marriot was a class little player but CE didn't play to his strengths On the floor and through the channels he would have had an hatful!
Don't think it was his attitude it was pure frustration...…….ie HOOFBALL.....
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http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/match-info/statistics?division_id=42377
http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/match-info/statistics?division_id=42378
Some interesting names in the leading goalscorer lists for the two leagues immediately below ours. Nathan Watson scored a lot of goals for Coalville (including, I think, a winner against Shaw Lane in a play off match), and he also scored against us after about 20 seconds of our opening pre season friendly. CE must be aware of him. Two leagues down, the leading scorer plays for Pontefract, CE's home town. For all of the geographical issues around Boston and the impact it has on our recruitment, the majority of players on this list must be in our catchment area.
Would any of these players want to test themselves at a higher level, and could any of them make the step up?
EDIT: just reading that Grimsby have released a 22 year old striker by mutual consent, Louis Robles. Wonder if he'll drop down a level or two and where he'll end up?
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I understand various factors make recruitment tricky for Boston, regardless of who they're managed by, but Den (for all his faults) managed to put together a team that was by today's standards very settled and also really quite good. So it's not impossible. It's very telling that we're now beholden to the likes of Harrogate Town for short-term loan deals (or not) - it shows things are slightly chaotic and day-today. Non-league is edging that way for sure, but getting a settled squad nailed down early is one way you can gain an edge over teams like us, who failed to do so when the weather was warm.
Recruitment and retention simply has to get better, simple as that - and we have to start getting better at getting our summer signings right. It did for Den two years ago and it's doing for Craig now. Trying to fix July's mistakes in mid-season is extraordinarily difficult.
You have got it spot on. As YC says As well most of his signings were not given time to settle in. So yes how was CE ever gonna get a settled side? As so many supporters have said: we just don't look like a Team....And this revolving door, quick fix, bring some more loans in, loan him out regime is the absolute root of this inconsistency. Once the star summer signings were deemed unfit for purpose, the die was cast & Craig has gone through a ridiculous amount of players.
As u say the successful sides at this level know each other inside out, they have a gang mentality & A strong Team work ethic (And a goalscorer). Greene's successful 3 full seasons was built on the above qualities. He could also get the absolute max out of players & they fought for each other. You have to say that Craig appears unable to foster that spirit, belief & mentality into any of the dozens he has signed never mind build a consistent, settled side.
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Marriot was a class little player but CE didn't play to his strengths On the floor and through the channels he would have had an hatful!
Don't think it was his attitude it was pure frustration...…….ie HOOFBALL.....
Marriott to me was a 2nd striker - play him off a big man and he'll score goals.
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Marriot was a class little player but CE didn't play to his strengths On the floor and through the channels he would have had an hatful!
Don't think it was his attitude it was pure frustration...…….ie HOOFBALL.....
Marriott to me was a 2nd striker - play him off a big man and he'll score goals.
If only we'd brought Allott in earlier.... might be a neat little partnership going now.
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I understand various factors make recruitment tricky for Boston, regardless of who they're managed by, but Den (for all his faults) managed to put together a team that was by today's standards very settled and also really quite good. So it's not impossible. It's very telling that we're now beholden to the likes of Harrogate Town for short-term loan deals (or not) - it shows things are slightly chaotic and day-today. Non-league is edging that way for sure, but getting a settled squad nailed down early is one way you can gain an edge over teams like us, who failed to do so when the weather was warm.
Recruitment and retention simply has to get better, simple as that - and we have to start getting better at getting our summer signings right. It did for Den two years ago and it's doing for Craig now. Trying to fix July's mistakes in mid-season is extraordinarily difficult.
You have got it spot on. As YC says As well most of his signings were not given time to settle in. So yes how was CE ever gonna get a settled side? As so many supporters have said: we just don't look like a Team....And this revolving door, quick fix, bring some more loans in, loan him out regime is the absolute root of this inconsistency. Once the star summer signings were deemed unfit for purpose, the die was cast & Craig has gone through a ridiculous amount of players.
As u say the successful sides at this level know each other inside out, they have a gang mentality & A strong Team work ethic (And a goalscorer). Greene's successful 3 full seasons was built on the above qualities. He could also get the absolute max out of players & they fought for each other. You have to say that Craig appears unable to foster that spirit, belief & mentality into any of the dozens he has signed never mind build a consistent, settled side.
Yeah, agreed. I've said it many times before but while Den's off-field antics were an embarrassment to the kind of club we're trying to be they shouldn't detract from the fact his best side had a real "us v the world" feel to it. The players got on really well - they were forever posting pics of themselves on social media as mates, and that spirit even extended to Katie Cooper in the back room staff. Never underestimate the power of proper friendships! Although I'm forever suspicious of people bleating about "passion" and "desire", there's no doubt that in this case that sense of team spirit did translate to better performances on the pitch. We're a long way from that now. That being said, Craig Elliott is still the right man for the job. I think he has huge potential as a manager if he can learn from the mistakes made this season.
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Marriot was a class little player but CE didn't play to his strengths On the floor and through the channels he would have had an hatful!
Don't think it was his attitude it was pure frustration...…….ie HOOFBALL.....
Marriott to me was a 2nd striker - play him off a big man and he'll score goals.
If only we'd brought Allott in earlier.... might be a neat little partnership going now.
Maybe Allott and Margetts will work... if given the chance!
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I think we have to make chances before we can blame strikers for not scoring.........
We made chances on Boxing day, but our million pound striker put it over the bar from 5 yard's out.
Strikers should also be capable of carving out there own chances, like Reece Thompson and Ricky Miller.
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I understand various factors make recruitment tricky for Boston, regardless of who they're managed by, but Den (for all his faults) managed to put together a team that was by today's standards very settled and also really quite good. So it's not impossible. It's very telling that we're now beholden to the likes of Harrogate Town for short-term loan deals (or not) - it shows things are slightly chaotic and day-today. Non-league is edging that way for sure, but getting a settled squad nailed down early is one way you can gain an edge over teams like us, who failed to do so when the weather was warm.
Recruitment and retention simply has to get better, simple as that - and we have to start getting better at getting our summer signings right. It did for Den two years ago and it's doing for Craig now. Trying to fix July's mistakes in mid-season is extraordinarily difficult.
You have got it spot on. As YC says As well most of his signings were not given time to settle in. So yes how was CE ever gonna get a settled side? As so many supporters have said: we just don't look like a Team....And this revolving door, quick fix, bring some more loans in, loan him out regime is the absolute root of this inconsistency. Once the star summer signings were deemed unfit for purpose, the die was cast & Craig has gone through a ridiculous amount of players.
As u say the successful sides at this level know each other inside out, they have a gang mentality & A strong Team work ethic (And a goalscorer). Greene's successful 3 full seasons was built on the above qualities. He could also get the absolute max out of players & they fought for each other. You have to say that Craig appears unable to foster that spirit, belief & mentality into any of the dozens he has signed never mind build a consistent, settled side.
Yeah, agreed. I've said it many times before but while Den's off-field antics were an embarrassment to the kind of club we're trying to be they shouldn't detract from the fact his best side had a real "us v the world" feel to it. The players got on really well - they were forever posting pics of themselves on social media as mates, and that spirit even extended to Katie Cooper in the back room staff. Never underestimate the power of proper friendships! Although I'm forever suspicious of people bleating about "passion" and "desire", there's no doubt that in this case that sense of team spirit did translate to better performances on the pitch. We're a long way from that now. That being said, Craig Elliott is still the right man for the job. I think he has huge potential as a manager if he can learn from the mistakes made this season.
All above true , the trick Craig has missed is he's failed to make quality signings like Greene did .
Our revolvng door is now well known throughout the league and every time it revolves it makes it harder to tempt players to come through it .
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I think we seemed a bit more canny then. Richard the scout had a brilliant eye for a player and he's back with us now so it's been a real surprise to me that recruitment over the last few weeks and months has been so scattergun. Hoping for a much more settled 2019. To be honest I'm not expecting much for the reason of the season now, but I'm happy to be pleasantly surprised. Failing that, using the last few weeks of the season to lay the groundwork for a real push in 2019/20 would be nice. I know it's hard to plan, but if Den can do it then Craig can too. He's not daft.
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The problem is there is a lot more money sloshing about in this lge and the one above than there was three years ago, BPA being a prime example. If we had Miller,Southwell and pidge now there is no way we would be able to hold onto them. Money talks, we may have a decent budget but as for competing for top players forget about it. We must try and find a hidden gem in the lge below some how. Over to you Mr Boryszczuk.
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The problem is there is a lot more money sloshing about in this lge and the one above than there was three years ago, BPA being a prime example. If we had Miller,Southwell and pidge now there is no way we would be able to hold onto them. Money talks, we may have a decent budget but as for competing for top players forget about it. We must try and find a hidden gem in the lge below some how. Over to you Mr Boryszczuk.
Yes, excellent point. Suppose that feeds into the issue we have about location as well. Even if we could identify a gem a division below, would the step up, bigger crowds and a bit more money compensate them for the extra travelling and inconvenience? I think players these days can pick and choose their clubs a bit more because more can pay them a decent wage. No doubt that has made us much less attractive than we were 15-20 years ago.
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I can agree with location to a point but if we were doing well players would come. They want to be in a winning side and if we were paying in the right ballpark distance wouldn't be a problem. Always have and always will.
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Would"nt mind seeing Lewis Hilliard back - 4 goals and an amazing 18 assists from 23 matches for Peterborough Sports so far this season. We were away so did"nt see the cup game against them, but told that he played well. The return of Hilliard coupled with Grant Roberts recall would offer some strong options in midfield.
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Would"nt mind seeing Lewis Hilliard back - 4 goals and an amazing 18 assists from 23 matches for Peterborough Sports so far this season. We were away so did"nt see the cup game against them, but told that he played well. The return of Hilliard coupled with Grant Roberts recall would offer some strong options in midfield.
Couldnt agree more with this - Hilliard is class and playing well below where he should be. Mybe not the fastest but would certainly give competition for thanoj and abbot. Hilliard is one of the best passes.of the ball we have have had..
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Would"nt mind seeing Lewis Hilliard back - 4 goals and an amazing 18 assists from 23 matches for Peterborough Sports so far this season. We were away so did"nt see the cup game against them, but told that he played well. The return of Hilliard coupled with Grant Roberts recall would offer some strong options in midfield.
Couldnt agree more with this - Hilliard is class and playing well below where he should be. Mybe not the fastest but would certainly give competition for thanoj and abbot. Hilliard is one of the best passes.of the ball we have have had..
Lewis is what I refer as a luxury player. How I mean, is when he's good, there's no doubt he's good, but have a look back a couple of years to the posts that mention him. When he's not on his game, he's a liability because he can't cover the ground, and you effectively play a man short. When he was here last, there's plenty of moans along the lines of he only has 1 good game in 3/4. Now, I've no doubt we need a third body in the middle, and it's such a shame Agnew's loan couldn't be extended, but comparatively, Lewis is nowhere near the same player. At the risk of upsetting the debate, it seems we're collectively clutching at straws in order to turn our season around. To answer the next obvious question "who would I look to bring in?", I personally think we need a big strong player in there to do all the ugly stuff alongside Abbott, which would allow Thanoj to express himself a little more. Somebody built like Ellender or Garner, for example. Either that or somebody who puts his whole self into every minute on the pitch, for example a Jamie Maguire type.