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Title: Striker to watch .
Post by: green hats mate on November 10, 2018, 05:01:12 PM
Young Oxford City striker scores a hat-trick at Tranmere in the FA Cup
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Post by: garry@ on November 10, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
Totally agree with you GHM.
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Post by: Burgh Boy on November 10, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
Clearly - yes!!
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Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 10, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
The same player who only scored a single first half goal last season? (At Salford, from 2 inches). He wasn't consistent enough to warrant starting games, and left because of that.
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Post by: howmanynames2pick on November 10, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
I came across some old team sheets the other day... lots of names already forgotten...Tyron Hare was one i did recall.. what happened to him??
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: green hats mate on November 10, 2018, 09:41:05 PM
The same player who only scored a single first half goal last season? (At Salford, from 2 inches). He wasn't consistent enough to warrant starting games, and left because of that.

The second half of last season we had Rollins , Thompson , Hemmings to get the ball in the box to create him chances .
Now we lack quality in almost all positions .
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Post by: TriKillieTom on November 11, 2018, 08:29:54 AM
I came across some old team sheets the other day... lots of names already forgotten...Tyron Hare was one i did recall.. what happened to him??
Playing at Matlock
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: The Third Twin on November 11, 2018, 09:24:09 AM
The same player who only scored a single first half goal last season? (At Salford, from 2 inches). He wasn't consistent enough to warrant starting games, and left because of that.

The second half of last season we had Rollins , Thompson , Hemmings to get the ball in the box to create him chances .
Now we lack quality in almost all positions .
I agree GHM, he needs a supply man, and the 3 you mention gave him that in bucket loads. And again you're right, we haven't replaced any of them.

You're final comment regarding "quality players" is also very true. We've now got a team of players from Shaw Lane's level with an odd exception. CE has signed guys he knows well but mostly are from below our level, hence IMO one reason for our inconsistency. Apologies if I offend anybody, but in my book we have 3 players who I would say are genuinely good enough for this level. 2 proven ones in David Norris and Ben Davies, and 1 up and comer, Ashley Jackson. Beyond that, there's a lot of huff and puff without consistency.

I'm still very much a believer that we can achieve a play-off place this season, but the in consistency is very frustrating. Having said that, a good friend of mine BOSTON UTD STATS on Twitter tells me his record over 12 months is very similar to DG first 12 months, and his record brought us play-off football, so I remain optimistic, yet frustrated!
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: green hats mate on November 11, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
The same player who only scored a single first half goal last season? (At Salford, from 2 inches). He wasn't consistent enough to warrant starting games, and left because of that.

The second half of last season we had Rollins , Thompson , Hemmings to get the ball in the box to create him chances .
Now we lack quality in almost all positions .
I agree GHM, he needs a supply man, and the 3 you mention gave him that in bucket loads. And again you're right, we haven't replaced any of them.

You're final comment regarding "quality players" is also very true. We've now got a team of players from Shaw Lane's level with an odd exception. CE has signed guys he knows well but mostly are from below our level, hence IMO one reason for our inconsistency. Apologies if I offend anybody, but in my book we have 3 players who I would say are genuinely good enough for this level. 2 proven ones in David Norris and Ben Davies, and 1 up and comer, Ashley Jackson. Beyond that, there's a lot of huff and puff without consistency.

I'm still very much a believer that we can achieve a play-off place this season, but the in consistency is very frustrating. Having said that, a good friend of mine BOSTON UTD STATS on Twitter tells me his record over 12 months is very similar to DG first 12 months, and his record brought us play-off football, so I remain optimistic, yet frustrated!

As you say TTT we have 3 players just about good enough for a play-off challenge but 2 of then 37 ,  will be a big ask for them to play regular until the end of the season .

What the main difference  between DG and CE teams at this stage is that Greene's team contained Miller, Mills, Pidge, Garner , all in the early 20's who have gone on to a higher level ,  and when the revolving door went into motion a young skilled player from Sunderland's 23's Prem League leaders usually walked through .
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Champs next year on November 11, 2018, 01:22:52 PM
Southport will be a different proposition on Sat than their league position indicates. New signings & a resurgence in place there, including recently hammering kiddie 4-1 away, and knocking a Conference side out the cup yesterday (Boreham Wood). Our fate this season will be much clearer after the next 9/10 fixtures: Chorley, York, Spenny, Alfreton twice, BPA, Altrincham, Kiddie, Leamington & Guiseley.
All tough games against mostly top sides challenging for the top 7. Yes so are we, but the way we are set up at present where's the goals coming from? Like yesterday, with our lack of creativity & supply  I can see us losing vital games; that when we go behind teams find it easy to shut us out & they are more likely to score again as we push forward with little or no quality to open the opposition up.
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Post by: John Chapman on November 11, 2018, 04:18:43 PM
Yes I think Curzon is the only game when we have got points after going behind. As Tipps End Pilgrim and others have said, we lack the creativity of last year. Watching yesterday we thought the only way we were going to score was if a Telford player made a mistake rather than anything positive we did.

That said, I'm pleased the Chestnuts are not in the habit of sacking managers unless we look like we might be getting relegated and so CE will be given time. I am not sure he will be able to sort it all out, but I do think he will give a good go. Again as others have said he is still learning at this level. I suspect he has looked at Paul Hurst's managerial career and fancies that for himself (maybe not the recent sacking mind!), in a way I never got the impression that Jason Lee, by all accounts a nice man, was driven to have a managerial career. CE must know if he fails here he is unlikely to get a job further up the pyramid.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 11, 2018, 05:45:55 PM
I do agree with most of what is said above by many, but one thing I disagree with is that a few people think that we will be in the play offs positions come the end of the season.
We will not and l can't see any improvement in performance very shortly.
At this point in the season, players that are available to sign are often cast offs from other clubs.
I would like to know how much money has been spent so far on under performing players, and if that money has surpassed the transfer fee that was demanded by Guisley for Thompson.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Champs next year on November 11, 2018, 06:35:25 PM
I do agree with most of what is said above by many, but one thing I disagree with is that a few people think that we will be in the play offs positions come the end of the season.
We will not and l can't see any improvement in performance very shortly.
At this point in the season, players that are available to sign are often cast offs from other clubs.
I would like to know how much money has been spent so far on under performing players, and if that money has surpassed the transfer fee that was demanded by Guisley for Thompson.
Just a thought.

Its a really valid point YC. Craig wanted Reece to build his forward line around, Guiseley knew that so coupled with that impressive loan spell here last season, they tried to get silly money out of DN. I questioned the players attitude, not what I saw here, but based on the contempt Guiseley fans have: 're his temperament? In hindsight yes CE would have been better advised to pay the fee for Thompson, as I'm sure the money wasted on the other strikers Would have covered the RT deal & easily left enough over for an attacking midfielder or 2.
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Post by: tom and jerry on November 11, 2018, 08:46:27 PM
I come back to what I've said time and time again. Early in Murray's reign the team contained the likes of Kalern Thomas, Shane Clarke, Lewis Hilliard, Ross Durrant, Gregg Smith, Marcus Marshall, Jan Yeomans, Jack Broadhead, Josh Robinson, Tom Batchelor etc etc

The side is no better now than it was then. God only knows how many players have been recruited (some at considerable cost) and subsequently shown the door since then

No real progress in two years tbh. And the style of play is no better either

Views?
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Post by: The Third Twin on November 11, 2018, 09:35:12 PM
A couple of wins in the next two or three games, and we will be right back amongst it! I still believe!
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 11, 2018, 10:49:56 PM
I come back to what I've said time and time again. Early in Murray's reign the team contained the likes of Kalern Thomas, Shane Clarke, Lewis Hilliard, Ross Durrant, Gregg Smith, Marcus Marshall, Jan Yeomans, Jack Broadhead, Josh Robinson, Tom Batchelor etc etc

The side is no better now than it was then. God only knows how many players have been recruited (some at considerable cost) and subsequently shown the door since then

No real progress in two years tbh. And the style of play is no better either

Views?
Totally agree it's a bloody shambles and embarrassing at time's, and to be honest who the hell doesn't offer one of there top scorers, who contributed massively to our survival last season"Kaba" a new deal.
Yes Kaba got the service from Hemmings and co, but the lad made sure he stuck them away, unlike the pathetic strikers we have now.
If we loose on Saturday Elliott must go, yes it's harsh but he had no more clue about players and tactics then Murray did.
Shaw Lane had a big financial backing and we're able to sign players that were from higher leagues, and that's what was behind Elliott's success.
I am so disappointed by him, and if he proves me wrong I will happily apologize for my comments.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on November 12, 2018, 09:43:55 AM
YC - big words. If we lose on Saturday then CE must go. We're hardly bottom of the league. Realistically, given our circumstances, financial position, geographical location etc etc, what do you think our level is ? I would say play-offs zone in the NLN. I'm not saying I wouldn't want better than that but I am realistic.

Yes, it's not great that CE is getting through a load of players but if at the end of the season we are in the play-offs then I'm not too fussed how many players he has used - as long as he hasn't got us into debt. We'd all like a nice settled squad of 18 players - same team week in week out but it doesn't always work out like that. I believe CE is suffering as a result of his summer recruitment. He thought he'd got it spot on with the like of Marriott, Arnold, Margetts, the Harrogate centre half - and most fans would have thought the same too. As it happened, they didn't deliver. CE has had to react (unlike Murray who stuck with his failures and took us to the bottom of the table - a manager you vehemently backed don't forget) . He has reacted but it's not easy to get replacements once the season has started so it's trial and error to a certain extent.

Let's keep the faith. Nothing to be gained from more chopping and changing off the pitch at this stage. Unless you have the perfect manager lined up ?

TEP
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Post by: howmanynames2pick on November 12, 2018, 10:10:15 AM
YC - big words. If we lose on Saturday then CE must go. We're hardly bottom of the league. Realistically, given our circumstances, financial position, geographical location etc etc, what do you think our level is ? I would say play-offs zone in the NLN. I'm not saying I wouldn't want better than that but I am realistic.

Yes, it's not great that CE is getting through a load of players but if at the end of the season we are in the play-offs then I'm not too fussed how many players he has used - as long as he hasn't got us into debt. We'd all like a nice settled squad of 18 players - same team week in week out but it doesn't always work out like that. I believe CE is suffering as a result of his summer recruitment. He thought he'd got it spot on with the like of Marriott, Arnold, Margetts, the Harrogate centre half - and most fans would have thought the same too. As it happened, they didn't deliver. CE has had to react (unlike Murray who stuck with his failures and took us to the bottom of the table - a manager you vehemently backed don't forget) . He has reacted but it's not easy to get replacements once the season has started so it's trial and error to a certain extent.

Let's keep the faith. Nothing to be gained from more chopping and changing off the pitch at this stage. Unless you have the perfect manager lined up ?

TEP
ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON THERE  TEP.
ITS AN ODD SEASON, WE THINK WERE RUBBISH BUT THEN WE LOOK AT THE LEAGUE TABLE AND AS THEY SAY "LEAGUE TABLES DONT LIE"
GIVEN A COUPLE OF WINS WE WOULD BE NEAR THE TOP!
LAST SEASON WE WERE NEARER THE BOTTOM.
WHO WOULD BE A MANAGER!
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 12, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
Some people need to go back 12 months and see where we were! Karl Hawley was still caretaker manager, and we'd drawn 2-2 at home to Stockport just before CE took over.
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Post by: Dipdodah on November 12, 2018, 11:04:26 AM
As I said in an earlier post sort the midfield, and we have a team.  That is the stupidest remark I have heard Chubby. CE is the man for the job at the present time.  We have to give him a season then review the situation.
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Post by: Champs next year on November 12, 2018, 11:35:45 AM
Some people need to go back 12 months and see where we were! Karl Hawley was still caretaker manager, and we'd drawn 2-2 at home to Stockport just before CE took over.

Correct, also 4 points adrift in bottom 3. I think we hadn't won in about 10 games & a tough run of fixtures coming up,  & with a new manager needed most fans thought we were down. Ive said it often enough that run from Craig Elliot coming in was an  incredible run of results culminating in the thrashing of the top 2 Harrogate & Salford. All those results weren't a fluke. We are still in with a shout of play offs so calling for CE to go????
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 12, 2018, 01:11:43 PM
If we put last season to one side, and look at our current league position and lack of consistent form, are we honestly looking like a side that has improved from last season.
The team is no better with what we finished with last season, so have we improved????
We can all sit and blow sunshine up CE backside but the truth is we are not progressing on the pitch, results and performances speak for themselves, ultimately CE is responsible for recruitment, tactics, motivation and performances, that's his job he is the manager.
He won't get the sack and he doesn't look like a quitter, but yes we have a chairman that is willing to give a manager time to improve,but we also know that he is not afraid to release a manager or two if he sees no improvement in performance, that's a fact.
I personally don't see the point in this revolving door of players coming in and out of the team, it suggests to me that the coaching staff are not capable of developing what they have signed, and are desperately trying to bring players in as a quick fix.
The revolving door policy only promotes, disharmony, uncertainty, distrust,lack of consistency and disruption.
We have been lucky so far that other teams have had inconsistencies in their results, but that will soon change and if we don't follow suit, we will be set adrift in the deep waters of mid table trying to tread water and not slowly sink into relegation places.
All l am saying is if a change in manager is required to prevent this, then so be it.
I don't personally want that to happen as l like the guy, and yes he saved us from relegation and gave us something to play for at the end of the season, but that was last season and now we are in a new one that so far has been so up and down with performance that l actually feel sea sick.
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Post by: oxo on November 12, 2018, 03:19:05 PM
Eeeh Lad tha does talk a load of tripe sometimes. Time you gave it a rest and spent a bit of time thinking before writing.
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Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on November 12, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
This is modern day non-league football for you YC - not everywhere but it's becoming more common. It's not as if CE has been signing all these players on long-term contracts.

As for not improving on last year, you're probably right. But maybe you can't always improve year on year - otherwise you'd ultimately end up always climbing the table and always getting promoted. I guess it's about setting expectation and the level you think the Club should be at. It would be great to have a promotion like say Guiseley, Telford, Alty etc but then they've all had to go through the NL struggle and been relegated shortly afterwards. Was it worth it? Are these Club's any further forward because of what they've gone through? You could argue that a good season for us would be winning plenty of games, getting to the play-offs, getting through to the final and then losing - not having the worry of NL football the following year and whether we go full time, rebuild the squad etc etc. Not wishing to sound unambitious as I'd love us to win every week but just taking a different perspective on the bigger picture.

Who'd be a manager - especially at non-league level. Maybe the only job that's worse is that of a non-league linesman :)


TEP
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Post by: youngchubby69 on November 12, 2018, 03:42:24 PM
Eeeh Lad tha does talk a load of tripe sometimes. Time you gave it a rest and spent a bit of time thinking before writing.
Do not see your point there, as what I have wrote is mainly from facts and personal experience, if you go by your own posts you often complain about the players that have been signed.
The only thing you haven't complained about is the man who signed them.
Let's see what happens by the end of the season.
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Post by: youngchubby69 on November 12, 2018, 03:46:15 PM
This is modern day non-league football for you YC - not everywhere but it's becoming more common. It's not as if CE has been signing all these players on long-term contracts.

As for not improving on last year, you're probably right. But maybe you can't always improve year on year - otherwise you'd ultimately end up always climbing the table and always getting promoted. I guess it's about setting expectation and the level you think the Club should be at. It would be great to have a promotion like say Guiseley, Telford, Alty etc but then they've all had to go through the NL struggle and been relegated shortly afterwards. Was it worth it? Are these Club's any further forward because of what they've gone through? You could argue that a good season for us would be winning plenty of games, getting to the play-offs, getting through to the final and then losing - not having the worry of NL football the following year and whether we go full time, rebuild the squad etc etc. Not wishing to sound unambitious as I'd love us to win every week but just taking a different perspective on the bigger picture.

Who'd be a manager - especially at non-league level. Maybe the only job that's worse is that of a non-league linesman :)


TEP
I don't really want promotion as of yet and perhaps that's why CE is going through so many players and experimenting.
The problem is with that is many fans are getting frustrated with it.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on November 12, 2018, 04:15:31 PM
YC, I would say that frustration is all part and parcel of football. It's what we unknowingly sign up to when we start being supporters. Man Utd fans will be frustrated at their team at the moment - spent all that money and they aren't winning the league. Stockport - they were in the Championship. Their fans seem permanently frustrated. Lots of examples everywhere. There will always be something to be frustrated about. :)

TEP
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Post by: leftbackinthedressingroom on November 12, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
Totally disagree about the manager must go if we see defeat on Saturday Young Chubby. If we were down near the bottom them yes, you could state a case. But we are still in a competitive position, albeit there in average form. I do agree that the strikers are not as good as some of recent years. But was we just lucky to have the likes of the 'Miller's' or 'Southwell's' or defenders like the 'Pidge's' or 'Pearson's' of this world. The manager which we have here now clearly knows about players of such calibre, but sadly they come at a high cost. Of course, there are some rough diamonds out there and it is the job of the scout and manager to find them. But are we, as fans, too quick to dismiss players at York Street ? Are we led into this false perception that because we have a history as a top non league side that we now have that god given right to be playing in the Conference Prem ? Sadly the years of a level playing field in non league has long gone, it's now the battle of the richest. It is frustrating, but unless any of us can find a way of injecting huge cash sums into the club to improve chances of promotion then we'll just have to keep battling it out until we can find those cheap rough diamonds that can give us some success.
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Post by: holbeach 56 on November 12, 2018, 06:06:25 PM
I can totally see where you are coming from yc, however I think we have to stick with CE until end of the season unless we get dragged into trouble, which the way the league is this year could happen.

We pay good money for admission and should expect effort and a little skill from our team management , which at the moment we are only getting from about 3 players. If we settle for mediocre then gates will fall , possibly back to the days of 600, and it will be very difficult get back as we are finding out already.

In my opinion the turnover of players is contributing to poor team spirit and hence erratic results.

We had a great opportunity to get somewhere this year but sadly we are not taking advantage of it.

I think we will finished nearer bottom than top but really hope not.
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Post by: The Third Twin on November 12, 2018, 07:14:36 PM
If we put last season to one side, and look at our current league position and lack of consistent form, are we honestly looking like a side that has improved from last season.
The team is no better with what we finished with last season, so have we improved????
We can all sit and blow sunshine up CE backside but the truth is we are not progressing on the pitch, results and performances speak for themselves, ultimately CE is responsible for recruitment, tactics, motivation and performances, that's his job he is the manager.
He won't get the sack and he doesn't look like a quitter, but yes we have a chairman that is willing to give a manager time to improve,but we also know that he is not afraid to release a manager or two if he sees no improvement in performance, that's a fact.
I personally don't see the point in this revolving door of players coming in and out of the team, it suggests to me that the coaching staff are not capable of developing what they have signed, and are desperately trying to bring players in as a quick fix.
The revolving door policy only promotes, disharmony, uncertainty, distrust,lack of consistency and disruption.
We have been lucky so far that other teams have had inconsistencies in their results, but that will soon change and if we don't follow suit, we will be set adrift in the deep waters of mid table trying to tread water and not slowly sink into relegation places.
All l am saying is if a change in manager is required to prevent this, then so be it.
I don't personally want that to happen as l like the guy, and yes he saved us from relegation and gave us something to play for at the end of the season, but that was last season and now we are in a new one that so far has been so up and down with performance that l actually feel sea sick.
YC, he didn't just "save us from relegation" he damn near took us into the playoffs from the bottom 3. I've tried to avoid being confrontational, but we are 6 points from the top of the league, what exactly is it that you expect? You were still backing AM 12 months ago when we were firmly in the relegation spots. I fully accept we have different opinions, but WTF?
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Post by: Tash on November 12, 2018, 08:08:37 PM
I am afraid our chubby is a reactionary poster as far as football management is concerned, win four back him, lose two sack him. I will leave that side to Mr Chairman he has all the facts and I trust his judgement.
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Post by: youngchubby69 on November 12, 2018, 08:50:46 PM
If we put last season to one side, and look at our current league position and lack of consistent form, are we honestly looking like a side that has improved from last season.
The team is no better with what we finished with last season, so have we improved????
We can all sit and blow sunshine up CE backside but the truth is we are not progressing on the pitch, results and performances speak for themselves, ultimately CE is responsible for recruitment, tactics, motivation and performances, that's his job he is the manager.
He won't get the sack and he doesn't look like a quitter, but yes we have a chairman that is willing to give a manager time to improve,but we also know that he is not afraid to release a manager or two if he sees no improvement in performance, that's a fact.
I personally don't see the point in this revolving door of players coming in and out of the team, it suggests to me that the coaching staff are not capable of developing what they have signed, and are desperately trying to bring players in as a quick fix.
The revolving door policy only promotes, disharmony, uncertainty, distrust,lack of consistency and disruption.
We have been lucky so far that other teams have had inconsistencies in their results, but that will soon change and if we don't follow suit, we will be set adrift in the deep waters of mid table trying to tread water and not slowly sink into relegation places.
All l am saying is if a change in manager is required to prevent this, then so be it.
I don't personally want that to happen as l like the guy, and yes he saved us from relegation and gave us something to play for at the end of the season, but that was last season and now we are in a new one that so far has been so up and down with performance that l actually feel sea sick.
YC, he didn't just "save us from relegation" he damn near took us into the playoffs from the bottom 3. I've tried to avoid being confrontational, but we are 6 points from the top of the league, what exactly is it that you expect? You were still backing AM 12 months ago when we were firmly in the relegation spots. I fully accept we have different opinions, but WTF?
Yes he did nearly take us to 3 points of the play offs, but not with the team he has now, and that's my point.
So l ask the same question again, is this / his team any better than he inherited from AM.
I expect a settled team now, with consistency in performance and a decent attacking front line, can you say that we have now, OXO has often commented on how poor our midfield is, even going as far to say it's the worst he has ever seen.
What the hell has happened to Wafula and Johnson again, they both seemed willing to take on defenders.
Believe me and table's don't lie, if other teams in this league had been consistent with performances we would be down the bottom half of the table and my comments would be not be out of place.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Wyberton pilgrim on November 12, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
I did not hear many complain about the summer star signings pre season. If one had been a failure we could have got over it but when they all let us and themselves down it was always going to be a struggle but Craig got rid and started again. It was always going to be difficult to get good players mid season as good players already have a club. He has given lower league players a chance to better themselves but if they cannot do it he has to let them go and try someone else, that is why we have had a big turnover of players, if the stars had done what they were once capable of we would not be in this position. It is easy to see the problem after the event but not so easy to correct it.
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Post by: Lee Newell on November 12, 2018, 09:28:18 PM
A win at home on Saturday and we could be back in playoff spot. Before start of season playoffs would be a decent season. So we should be content that we're in the mix for playoffs.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2018, 12:05:01 AM
I am afraid our chubby is a reactionary poster as far as football management is concerned, win four back him, lose two sack him. I will leave that side to Mr Chairman he has all the facts and I trust his judgement.
I know Tash but I am also a mischief maker, stirred up some discussion soup this time.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 13, 2018, 08:50:16 AM
I don't really want promotion as of yet

Why the bloody hell not?
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
I don't really want promotion as of yet

Why the bloody hell not?
As much as l would love to see us get promoted, l truly think we would struggle financially to survive in the league above.
There is some big clubs in there with bigger budgets and full time, that struggle to compete.
I say get the new stadium built and then go for it, when the club has a sustainable income.
The worst thing that could happen to us is to go up and then come back down again
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Champs next year on November 13, 2018, 03:37:27 PM
I don't really want promotion as of yet

Why the bloody hell not?
As much as l would love to see us get promoted, l truly think we would struggle financially to survive in the league above.
There is some big clubs in there with bigger budgets and full time, that struggle to compete.
I say get the new stadium built and then go for it, when the club has a sustainable income.
The worst thing that could happen to us is to go up and then come back down again

If U don't want us promoted this season YC then why post that if we lose Saturday u want CE sacked? Surely in your scheme of things it's more than evident we will achieve enough points to stay up....so if u don't want promotion why would u want the Manager sacked? I thought u were basing us analysis of CE on the fact that we were not in the top 2 ?

Newton, Kempster, Elliot & most fans want us playing in the division above! Elliot wants to take this club as high up the pyramid as he can & so do the Chestnuts. We have to be ambitious & we've been in the CN long enough. Promotion would bring  bigger gates , lucrative sponsorship, we would attract better players & we would get to visit some new grounds as well. It would also be fantastic to go into the new stadium as a National League Premier Club. FFS if Solihull Moors, Harrogate etc can do well in there why shouldn't we?
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: green hats mate on November 13, 2018, 03:58:59 PM
I don't really want promotion as of yet

Why the bloody hell not?
As much as l would love to see us get promoted, l truly think we would struggle financially to survive in the league above.
There is some big clubs in there with bigger budgets and full time, that struggle to compete.
I say get the new stadium built and then go for it, when the club has a sustainable income.
The worst thing that could happen to us is to go up and then come back down again

If U don't want us promoted this season YC then why post that if we lose Saturday u want CE sacked? Surely in your scheme of things it's more than evident we will achieve enough points to stay up....so if u don't want promotion why would u want the Manager sacked? I thought u were basing us analysis of CE on the fact that we were not in the top 2 ?

Newton, Kempster, Elliot & most fans want us playing in the division above! Elliot wants to take this club as high up the pyramid as he can & so do the Chestnuts. We have to be ambitious & we've been in the CN long enough. Promotion would bring  bigger gates , lucrative sponsorship, we would attract better players & we would get to visit some new grounds as well. It would also be fantastic to go into the new stadium as a National League Premier Club. FFS if Solihull Moors, Harrogate etc can do well in there why shouldn't we?


I think we  discuss  this every season , to stand a fair chance of survival in the NC a budget of £1 million is required . If we are struggling gates will soon dip to 1k .     How are we going to raise £15k a week on top of the gate takings ?   
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Champs next year on November 13, 2018, 04:11:32 PM
I don't really want promotion as of yet

Why the bloody hell not?
As much as l would love to see us get promoted, l truly think we would struggle financially to survive in the league above.
There is some big clubs in there with bigger budgets and full time, that struggle to compete.
I say get the new stadium built and then go for it, when the club has a sustainable income.
The worst thing that could happen to us is to go up and then come back down again

If U don't want us promoted this season YC then why post that if we lose Saturday u want CE sacked? Surely in your scheme of things it's more than evident we will achieve enough points to stay up....so if u don't want promotion why would u want the Manager sacked? I thought u were basing us analysis of CE on the fact that we were not in the top 2 ?

Newton, Kempster, Elliot & most fans want us playing in the division above! Elliot wants to take this club as high up the pyramid as he can & so do the Chestnuts. We have to be ambitious & we've been in the CN long enough. Promotion would bring  bigger gates , lucrative sponsorship, we would attract better players & we would get to visit some new grounds as well. It would also be fantastic to go into the new stadium as a National League Premier Club. FFS if Solihull Moors, Harrogate etc can do well in there why shouldn't we?


I think we  discuss  this every season , to stand a fair chance of survival in the NC a budget of £1 million is required . If we are struggling gates will soon dip to 1k .     How are we going to raise £15k a week on top of the gate takings ?

Yes GHM of course it's a regular topic of discussion. Regarding sources of finance & prosperity in the league above: somehow all the following clubs (mostly all of whom attract fewer home fans than us) survive in that league:

Harrogate
Solihull Moors
Sutton
Gateshead
Eastleigh
Boreham Wood
Bromley
Ebbsfleet
Halifax (part time)
Barrow
Maidstone
Dag & Red
Braintree
Dover.

Discuss??
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 13, 2018, 04:45:17 PM
And then look at Burton and Accrington in League 1...
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Lee Newell on November 13, 2018, 05:11:50 PM
Income would go up significantly maybe nearly double if we got promoted.

Main income is from gate receipts, and we would get more home and away fans in league above. If we go up admission price will go up, at a guess from £13 to £15. With the BT sport deal the league above have I should think that would be a good extra amount of income too, plus sponsorship money would go up a bit.

This season avg attendance so far is 1137 for home league  matches. The first season we were in conference last time with a mid table finish avg attendance for home league matches was 1983.

Simple rough sums on the difference on gate receipts for an avg home page shows this would be about double the income. Yes, doesn't work exactly like this as some of these will be kids paying less and adults in seats will be paying more but the rough logic works.

1137 x £13  = £14781
1983 x £15 = £29745

Apart from having to pay players more I should think other additional expenses would be minimal. It would then come down to how much the club choose to increase the playing budget by. Could go full time and spend all the extra doubled income, or could stay part time and only spend 20% more.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2018, 05:54:20 PM
The problem is with all that has been said regarding budget and future income/ cost is just pure speculation, unless people on here have access to our finances at the club.
Will we get promoted who knows, but it had to be done by not busting the bank, we have been there and done that.
Regarding the other clubs that are currently in the NL, they obviously have some kind of income stream, so they do not have to rely on gate receipts.
No doubt many of them are carrying huge debt's too.
So my answer to you champs, is yes l do want Boston to get promoted, but as long as our finances stack up to sustain us in the NL.
Regarding CE and me calling for him to be sacked, which l clearly stated that he wouldn't be.
That decision will be taken by the board, if it needs to be.
But then we may be 6points clear at the top by Christmas and wouldn't that be fantastic with us chanting Craig's name as the great Messiah.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2018, 06:05:03 PM
I don't really want promotion as of yet

Why the bloody hell not?
As much as l would love to see us get promoted, l truly think we would struggle financially to survive in the league above.
There is some big clubs in there with bigger budgets and full time, that struggle to compete.
I say get the new stadium built and then go for it, when the club has a sustainable income.
The worst thing that could happen to us is to go up and then come back down again

If U don't want us promoted this season YC then why post that if we lose Saturday u want CE sacked? Surely in your scheme of things it's more than evident we will achieve enough points to stay up....so if u don't want promotion why would u want the Manager sacked? I thought u were basing us analysis of CE on the fact that we were not in the top 2 ?

Newton, Kempster, Elliot & most fans want us playing in the division above! Elliot wants to take this club as high up the pyramid as he can & so do the Chestnuts. We have to be ambitious & we've been in the CN long enough. Promotion would bring  bigger gates , lucrative sponsorship, we would attract better players & we would get to visit some new grounds as well. It would also be fantastic to go into the new stadium as a National League Premier Club. FFS if Solihull Moors, Harrogate etc can do well in there why shouldn't we?
I am totally with you champs, and of course I would love to see us promoted, and have bigger crowds etc.
As long as we can be competitive in the NL and not fall into bankruptcy again.
I don't know how much money the chestnuts have invested and are willing to invest going forward, but I don't think it's going to be an endless stream of money.
Because I think if they had a million to spend on a budget they would have done it already to get us out of this league.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Ernie100 on November 13, 2018, 06:58:23 PM
But surely once we move into the new stadium we would not be paying the large amount of rental that we are forking out at the moment, then this money could be used in other areas.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2018, 07:03:35 PM
But surely once we move into the new stadium we would not be paying the large amount of rental that we are forking out at the moment, then this money could be used in other areas.
That is the plan as l understand, which will be of some help.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: green hats mate on November 13, 2018, 08:36:17 PM
Income would go up significantly maybe nearly double if we got promoted.

Main income is from gate receipts, and we would get more home and away fans in league above. If we go up admission price will go up, at a guess from £13 to £15. With the BT sport deal the league above have I should think that would be a good extra amount of income too, plus sponsorship money would go up a bit.

This season avg attendance so far is 1137 for home league  matches. The first season we were in conference last time with a mid table finish avg attendance for home league matches was 1983.

Simple rough sums on the difference on gate receipts for an avg home page shows this would be about double the income. Yes, doesn't work exactly like this as some of these will be kids paying less and adults in seats will be paying more but the rough logic works.

1137 x £13  = £14781
1983 x £15 = £29745

Apart from having to pay players more I should think other additional expenses would be minimal. It would then come down to how much the club choose to increase the playing budget by. Could go full time and spend all the extra doubled income, or could stay part time and only spend 20% more.

Your figures are well adrift Lee , I am a season ticket holder who sits in the main stand , my ticket works out less than £8 per match .
 I look around me and the big majority of the fans are OAPs ,  then you've got the kids at £2/3 a time .  I would think the average admission struggles to reach £10 .   Gross income = £11000k and unlike the old days we now pay the HMRC which will reduce it to about £9000k x 46 matches = £200k a year .    At £15 admission I think a 2000 gate is out of our reach these days ,  I think we only averaged 2500 when we won the league .   
Lets be positive and say our net income from games is £400,k,  . Spending all the gate money on the playing budget works out 16 players on £500 a week ,  don't think that will produce a team to maintain a place in the NC .
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: green hats mate on November 13, 2018, 08:48:00 PM
And then look at Burton and Accrington in League 1...

Accy are situated in an area where plenty of big clubs are releasing good young players .  All the same Coleman has don a fantastic job there .


Burton ?   Fantastic fans and a good chairman and manager in Nigel Clough who was given time to build the club on and off the field .
Would a manager at Boston be given 10 years to get 2 promotions ?
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: green hats mate on November 13, 2018, 09:17:08 PM
I don't really want promotion as of yet

Why the bloody hell not?
As much as l would love to see us get promoted, l truly think we would struggle financially to survive in the league above.
There is some big clubs in there with bigger budgets and full time, that struggle to compete.
I say get the new stadium built and then go for it, when the club has a sustainable income.
The worst thing that could happen to us is to go up and then come back down again

If U don't want us promoted this season YC then why post that if we lose Saturday u want CE sacked? Surely in your scheme of things it's more than evident we will achieve enough points to stay up....so if u don't want promotion why would u want the Manager sacked? I thought u were basing us analysis of CE on the fact that we were not in the top 2 ?

Newton, Kempster, Elliot & most fans want us playing in the division above! Elliot wants to take this club as high up the pyramid as he can & so do the Chestnuts. We have to be ambitious & we've been in the CN long enough. Promotion would bring  bigger gates , lucrative sponsorship, we would attract better players & we would get to visit some new grounds as well. It would also be fantastic to go into the new stadium as a National League Premier Club. FFS if Solihull Moors, Harrogate etc can do well in there why shouldn't we?


I think we  discuss  this every season , to stand a fair chance of survival in the NC a budget of £1 million is required . If we are struggling gates will soon dip to 1k .     How are we going to raise £15k a week on top of the gate takings ?

Yes GHM of course it's a regular topic of discussion. Regarding sources of finance & prosperity in the league above: somehow all the following clubs (mostly all of whom attract fewer home fans than us) survive in that league:

Harrogate
Solihull Moors
Sutton
Gateshead
Eastleigh
Boreham Wood
Bromley
Ebbsfleet
Halifax (part time)
Barrow
Maidstone
Dag & Red
Braintre

Discuss??
I think we all know about Harrogate .    Eastleigh where it was  reported players were on up to £2k a week last season .
Most of the rest are in the bottom halve of the league but are in a better recruiting area than us .
 
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: The Third Twin on December 24, 2018, 06:52:17 PM
Scored his 18th of the season at the weekend. He's clearly benefited from the regular starts he wasn't guaranteed here. His eye for goal hasn't deserted him in the South.
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: The Third Twin on December 30, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
Scored his 18th of the season at the weekend. He's clearly benefited from the regular starts he wasn't guaranteed here. His eye for goal hasn't deserted him in the South.
2 more yesterday, how we could have done with somebody with even half of this return this season! I know hindsight is easy, but what if....
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on December 30, 2018, 08:54:35 PM
Mainly tap ins. They play with two wingers. Always getting to the line and putting crosses in.

TEP
Title: Re: Striker to watch .
Post by: The Third Twin on December 30, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
Mainly tap ins. They play with two wingers. Always getting to the line and putting crosses in.

TEP
you've still got to put yourself in the right place! As I say, I accept hindsight is easy, but wouldn't it be nice to at least have somebody (anybody) in double figures by now?