Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Ed Kandii on August 14, 2018, 08:58:14 PM
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... any goals yet? ???
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That was dreadful.....we were bad and they were worse! Add to that an incompetent referee........
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I wouldn't say we were bad! It wasn't pretty but we were attacking for most of the game. Thought Walker played brilliantly in the second half, very direct with his dribbling and always offering an option.
Let's keep the run going.
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Agree about Walker....
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That was dreadful.....we were bad and they were worse! Add to that an incompetent referee........
"Dreadful"? Really?
You must have been watching a different game to me mate! I thought it was a pulsating game with lots of incidents and talking points.Football is all about opinions and thats mine. Our midfield IMO played really well,very strong and kept pressing all the time. I agree with you that the Officials were {very} poor....inconsistent with their decisions and a Linesman who wasnt capable of making ANY decisions. A well deserved 3 points and a good healthy attendance. COYY.
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I agree about the ref. Should have shown cards earlier, you could see it was going to turn ugly.
I enjoyed the match, thought we were the better team.
I also agree about Walker, I think he has earned himself a starting slot.
Could not see the tackle, that got him sent off. Pity straight red, three games missed.
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Who cares about if we were dreadful or not, 'as some would counter claim'. Its all about points on the board and flying high in the league ! Every single Pilgrim should be happy with our start points wise ;D
In any sport or profession, there is always room for improvement. But lets be thankful for what we have so far.
Onto the next game, another three points and put ourselves in the position of a team to fear.
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Great result. I thought we bossed the game for 44 minutes and they managed to frustrate us, but a quality finish from Arnold changed both half time team talks. They had to try to score rather than nullify our possession, and I thought we took control of the game. Abbott, Thanoj and Waffula never stopped, and I have to say Walker played possibly his best 52 minutes in a Boston shirt. We got what we deserved, despite the worst efforts of the referee. I've been complimentary of Ms Fearns in the past, but pardon the puns, she had a mare, and once the handbags started, she lost control. Yes, it was a red card, but so should their #9 have had one earlier for quite deliberately shoving Willis into the boards. And where she got the extra minutes from I will never know. Anyway, if you'd offered me 9 points from 12 two weeks ago, I've had snapped anyone's hand off. As I said, a great result.
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I was surprised to see three minutes added, I thought it was at least five. Not sticking up for her, but perhaps the 4th official put the wrong time up.
Never in a million years was it seven thou.
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I was surprised to see three minutes added, I thought it was at least five. Not sticking up for her, but perhaps the 4th official put the wrong time up.
Never in a million years was it seven thou.
Im pleased she did not ask for 5 to go up we would missed breakfast
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If that’s awfull I’ll take that every week. We played some great one touch football through the middle and perhaps let it down with the final ball which will come in time. Second half Walker added to it with a pace I didn’t see last time here was here. As for the red not far from it the player was caught yes but never a red and then their player does the cheeky head into ours and gets a yellow. Not to criticL of ref as players from any team try and con the ref but the limo was dreadful. But we won good support and atmosphere second half and again the team was clapped off from the town end and at the tunnel. I’ll take awful more often.
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Not dreadful in my opinion. Nuneaton are always difficult to break down. We were patient and got our goals. Red card made it a nervy last ten when we should have been home and dry but that's football. Great start to the season,
TEP
Ps. See Gregg Smith scored tonight.
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Great result, some good attacking football, defence was strong, goals well taken, great effort and energy.
Was not a sending off, happened straight in front of me, late yes but only just caught him, only yellow considering the other incidents, Willis pushed deliberately into the boarding head first, Marriott taken out from behind and l think the late lunge on Middleton.
She had an awful game and the two officials didn't exactly help her out.
But a win and 9 points and 3rd yes 3rd in the league, things are certainly looking good.
Come on you super pilgrims.
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All in all a good performance. First half a few things felt forced - Abbott seemed to be trying too hard with his play, but he kept it simple in the second half and was more effective. Johnson struggled a little and the substitution made sense - especially when on came Walker who put in a hell of a shift. Someone pacey who chases down lost causes can often find an extra 5 or 6 chances and his introduction made a big difference.
First goal may have been scrappy but we had been working hard for it. The second goal was good play by all involved, Arnold's pass, Walker chasing it down and managing to pick out a pass back inside to Wafula who presumably nobody expected to get the ball as he drifted forward unmarked.
I thought the sending off was a shame as he had been coming into the game more and more - the opposite of their left back who by the second half was getting found out and his flaws shone more than his fancy footwork.
The defence were solid again, a few shaky moments early on but they got stronger as the game progressed. Arnold is also looking better each week, a goal will help his cause and interesting to see what comes from him as you can tell he still as another gear to slip into.
The less said about the referee, the better. Nice to hear the noise inside as the game began to go on too, was good to hear the whole crowd get behind the team in the final 15.
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I wouldn't have called the game 'dreadful', but for all their ability this is a Boston side still well short of the levels I think they can achieve. Some of the final balls were terrible and I felt we were extremely wasteful in possession at times. But this is all stuff that will come as we get more games under our belt so I'm not at all concerned.
Arnold's off-the-ball movement is what I think marks him out as a player coming from a few levels up. Some of it, particularly early on, was superb but he wasn't getting the ball in those positions so started to drift inside looking for it and ended up perhaps trying a tad too hard, but swapping wings seemed to bring him back into the game. It was shame to hear fans behind me chuntering on about him even though he didn't have a bad game.
Nicky Walker was extremely impressive after he came on, but I have to say I was a tad alarmed by Willis charging out of his area into a full-throttle challenge given we didn't have a spare keeper on the bench!
Officials were dreadful. The shove on Willis deserved a red, but by only showing a yellow Fearn set the tone and was always likely to run into problems later on. Still, there was no need for the "get back in the kitchen" shouts. It's 2018 lads...
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Just wait until we really click and get a referee who gives us some change.....
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I wouldn't have called the game 'dreadful', but for all their ability this is a Boston side still well short of the levels I think they can achieve. Some of the final balls were terrible and I felt we were extremely wasteful in possession at times. But this is all stuff that will come as we get more games under our belt so I'm not at all concerned.
Arnold's off-the-ball movement is what I think marks him out as a player coming from a few levels up. Some of it, particularly early on, was superb but he wasn't getting the ball in those positions so started to drift inside looking for it and ended up perhaps trying a tad too hard, but swapping wings seemed to bring him back into the game. It was shame to hear fans behind me chuntering on about him even though he didn't have a bad game.
Nicky Walker was extremely impressive after he came on, but I have to say I was a tad alarmed by Willis charging out of his area into a full-throttle challenge given we didn't have a spare keeper on the bench!
Officials were dreadful. The shove on Willis deserved a red, but by only showing a yellow Fearn set the tone and was always likely to run into problems later on. Still, there was no need for the "get back in the kitchen" shouts. It's 2018 lads...
I agree with you Pete. You must have been stood very close to me. Old " green hat " was giving it plenty again. The sooner he learns he is being counter-productive with his comments the better ( don't hold your breath ). I saw one or two giving him verbal for his comments. He has picked his player to call for the season, and no surprise it is Nathan Arnold. A Lincoln City supporter told me, you get the best out of Arnold if you keep off his back, when he is good he is Very good, but his head drops when criticised. I was pleased to see him change wings. I was stood with my daughter and grand daughter and my grand daughter could not believe the comments made towards the ref concerning her gender. I said as a ref she was crap, but being a woman had nothing to do with it, being a crap ref is part and parcel of this league.
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A great start to the season, Ok we haven't played the best teams but to keep picking up the points whilst sorting out the best starting eleven is just what the doctor ordered. I feel there is so much more to come from this squad and when we really gel we will be a real force to reckon with.
Thanks to those who dropped their jam jars in to me last night, it would be lovely if more fans could get involved.(just chuck your loose change in a container and drop off with me in the Pilgrims Lounge prior to all home games) up to plus 2,300 pounds towards a fans project chosen by you in the new stadium. UTP
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I hadn't seen us play for a while and I enjoyed the match. First half I thought was poor quality, passing was inaccurate and far too hurried, our midfield needed a bit more composure when we are in possession. Johnson also struggled upfront to hold the ball up and made some poor decisions when he was in good positions. Second half was much better and we looked a lot more threatening and played some good football. Must say that our fitness levels are very impressive and when we lose possession, the way we press and harry to regain possession is very impressive. The crowd got behind the team in the second half and it made for a good atmosphere. Thought the sending off was very harsh, the tackle was a bit late but certainly not malicious, the ref looked a bit out of her depth to be honest. All in all a very enjoyable evening. UTP
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Must say that our fitness levels are very impressive and when we lose possession, the way we press and harry to regain possession is very impressive.
Good point that. We did it throughout, but I was really impressed with some of the pressing/closing down towards the later stages of the game, especially considering we were down to ten men.
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Been a couple of comments about Johnson but what he did do in the first half was pestered their defence to death and thus created space for others, He is still learning his trade and will be a great asset going forward.
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Oxo, think you are absolutely correct about Johnson but I feel he might be more effective coming on as an impact substitute at the moment, but definitely one for the future. UTP
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I wouldn't have called the game 'dreadful', but for all their ability this is a Boston side still well short of the levels I think they can achieve. Some of the final balls were terrible and I felt we were extremely wasteful in possession at times. But this is all stuff that will come as we get more games under our belt so I'm not at all concerned.
Arnold's off-the-ball movement is what I think marks him out as a player coming from a few levels up. Some of it, particularly early on, was superb but he wasn't getting the ball in those positions so started to drift inside looking for it and ended up perhaps trying a tad too hard, but swapping wings seemed to bring him back into the game. It was shame to hear fans behind me chuntering on about him even though he didn't have a bad game.
Nicky Walker was extremely impressive after he came on, but I have to say I was a tad alarmed by Willis charging out of his area into a full-throttle challenge given we didn't have a spare keeper on the bench!
Officials were dreadful. The shove on Willis deserved a red, but by only showing a yellow Fearn set the tone and was always likely to run into problems later on. Still, there was no need for the "get back in the kitchen" shouts. It's 2018 lads...
I agree with you Pete. You must have been stood very close to me. Old " green hat " was giving it plenty again. The sooner he learns he is being counter-productive with his comments the better ( don't hold your breath ). I saw one or two giving him verbal for his comments. He has picked his player to call for the season, and no surprise it is Nathan Arnold. A Lincoln City supporter told me, you get the best out of Arnold if you keep off his back, when he is good he is Very good, but his head drops when criticised. I was pleased to see him change wings. I was stood with my daughter and grand daughter and my grand daughter could not believe the comments made towards the ref concerning her gender. I said as a ref she was crap, but being a woman had nothing to do with it, being a crap ref is part and parcel of this league.
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I wouldn't have called the game 'dreadful', but for all their ability this is a Boston side still well short of the levels I think they can achieve. Some of the final balls were terrible and I felt we were extremely wasteful in possession at times. But this is all stuff that will come as we get more games under our belt so I'm not at all concerned.
Arnold's off-the-ball movement is what I think marks him out as a player coming from a few levels up. Some of it, particularly early on, was superb but he wasn't getting the ball in those positions so started to drift inside looking for it and ended up perhaps trying a tad too hard, but swapping wings seemed to bring him back into the game. It was shame to hear fans behind me chuntering on about him even though he didn't have a bad game.
Nicky Walker was extremely impressive after he came on, but I have to say I was a tad alarmed by Willis charging out of his area into a full-throttle challenge given we didn't have a spare keeper on the bench!
Officials were dreadful. The shove on Willis deserved a red, but by only showing a yellow Fearn set the tone and was always likely to run into problems later on. Still, there was no need for the "get back in the kitchen" shouts. It's 2018 lads...
I agree with you Pete. You must have been stood very close to me. Old " green hat " was giving it plenty again. The sooner he learns he is being counter-productive with his comments the better ( don't hold your breath ). I saw one or two giving him verbal for his comments. He has picked his player to call for the season, and no surprise it is Nathan Arnold. A Lincoln City supporter told me, you get the best out of Arnold if you keep off his back, when he is good he is Very good, but his head drops when criticised. I was pleased to see him change wings. I was stood with my daughter and grand daughter and my grand daughter could not believe the comments made towards the ref concerning her gender. I said as a ref she was crap, but being a woman had nothing to do with it, being a crap ref is part and parcel of this league.
Sounds as though little has changed since I abdicated to the main stand a couple of years ago DIP, a move that has made a positive effect on my the enjoyment of the game .
No "green hat" in sight , no one to tell CE to get "the useless b*****d" off , only to tell him after a substitution the sub is "f***ing useless" and its too late in any case .
I think CE will stick to his stratagy and put Walker in the starting line up on Saturday as reward for his performance . Problem at the moment seems due to match fitness etc Craig is still working out his best strike pairing .
What has " green hat" got to say on the striking situation Dip ? . are all ajudged "f***ing useless" ?
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KEEP IT ON THE GROUND ;D ;D
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Sorry Pete and DIP I feel I must stand-up for Dave this time, last night he was well behaved until the two brothers started on to him. It was me that kept telling them to play it on the ground, when they did we got the second goal :) A fair portion of last nights game seemed, to me anyway, seemed to be "hoof ball" from Nuneaton and "head tennis" from both teams, but I enjoyed the game!!!
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I have no major problems with Jackson's sending off, as it was very late and potentially damaging. However, I do have a problem with the ref not sending off their bloke who blatantly and deliberately pushed Willis off the pitch, itself potentially very damaging. At least Jackson was trying to play the ball - their bloke was making no attempt at all. If refs don't take a firm line on that sort of thing, we will never get thuggery out of football.
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PS If what their bloke did wasn't deliberate foul play, I've no idea what is. And they had another couple of similar incidents.
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I have no major problems with Jackson's sending off, as it was very late and potentially damaging. However, I do have a problem with the ref not sending off their bloke who blatantly and deliberately pushed Willis off the pitch, itself potentially very damaging. At least Jackson was trying to play the ball - their bloke was making no attempt at all. If refs don't take a firm line on that sort of thing, we will never get thuggery out of football.
The sending off was wrong as l have stated earlier, but Ashley hasn't had much sympathy from the camp, l would imagine that the opinion is that he gave the ref who was very unpredictable all gane, the chance to make that decision.
Ashley is a very exciting young talent and l am sure he will learn from this incident.
As l was always told by the more mature and experienced players when l played as a young man, don't dive in,stay on your feet and stand the player up
Sound advice back then, which l never forgot and stood me in good stead for the rest of my playing days.
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Been a couple of comments about Johnson but what he did do in the first half was pestered their defence to death and thus created space for others, He is still learning his trade and will be a great asset going forward.
I am with you on that one, he will be very good as he develops.
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Criticise me if I say something wrong, but total misrepresentation last night. It was people around me that had issues with things. So please dont slag me off for something I have not said.
For what its worth my views on last night are as follows..
-- poor first half we must play it more on the ground
-- they won nearly every header first half.
-- thought walker was outstanding in second half
--they tired a lot second half but we played some great passing football until the sending off
--I thought it was harsh, full blooded tackle, not off the ground, Jackson had to fully commit because he would had been seriously injured by the Nuneaton player if he pulled out of the tackle. Blame the linesman he must have said something because the ref did not see it.
-- Previously thought Amy had been OK in games, but I think she would admit she had a bad game last night. Where did the extra time come from.
Overall I think we look very encouraging, some shrewd signing by an excellent northern manager.
So those accusing me of various comments get it right in future
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Criticise me if I say something wrong, but total misrepresentation last night. It was people around me that had issues with things. So please dont slag me off for something I have not said.
For what its worth my views on last night are as follows..
-- poor first half we must play it more on the ground
-- they won nearly every header first half.
-- thought walker was outstanding in second half
--they tired a lot second half but we played some great passing football until the sending off
--I thought it was harsh, full blooded tackle, not off the ground, Jackson had to fully commit because he would had been seriously injured by the Nuneaton player if he pulled out of the tackle. Blame the linesman he must have said something because the ref did not see it.
-- Previously thought Amy had been OK in games, but I think she would admit she had a bad game last night. Where did the extra time come from.
Overall I think we look very encouraging, some shrewd signing by an excellent northern manager.
So those accusing me of various comments get it right in future
I don't stand near you, so l can't comment on what you did or didn't say, but a decent summing up though.
Sometimes we all like to look at things through rose tinted spectacles, and do not say what we really think.
But Craig Elliott often says what he thinks and can be very critical of his team's performance.
What l would say in general terms, it is not helpful to single out any player for constant criticism, it shatters their confidence and will not improve them.
Chapman came under a massive amount of abuse when he was here, he never once said he was the best midfielder in this league and was picked by Murray every week to play, he wasn't picked by himself.
Encourage these set of players, and they will excel.
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Well said youngchubs, heartily agree with you
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Just seen the highlights and the sending off looks a fair decision to me
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Criticise me if I say something wrong, but total misrepresentation last night. It was people around me that had issues with things. So please dont slag me off for something I have not said.
For what its worth my views on last night are as follows..
-- poor first half we must play it more on the ground
-- they won nearly every header first half.
-- thought walker was outstanding in second half
--they tired a lot second half but we played some great passing football until the sending off
--I thought it was harsh, full blooded tackle, not off the ground, Jackson had to fully commit because he would had been seriously injured by the Nuneaton player if he pulled out of the tackle. Blame the linesman he must have said something because the ref did not see it.
-- Previously thought Amy had been OK in games, but I think she would admit she had a bad game last night. Where did the extra time come from.
Overall I think we look very encouraging, some shrewd signing by an excellent northern manager.
So those accusing me of various comments get it right in future
To clarify, I wasn't accusing you of anything - I don't know who you are. I was just referring to various people around me (and it wasn't restricted to one person).
As for your summing up of the game, very fair. I was told afterwards (couldn't see myself) that Amy Fearn had a yellow card out but was instructed by her linesman to offer Jackson a free upgrade to an early shower. Very poor decision in the context of the game. Definitely a yellow card offence, but one of those that looked far worse than it actually was.
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I still can't agree about Ashley's sending off. It was right in front of us and was reckless (those around me immediately said that he'd be lucky to stay on) - although I agree with Pete that in the context of the game, and the ref's failure to send off the Willis-pushing Nuneaton player, it didn't fit in. And you're right - she did take a yellow out first. The point is that he gave her a decision to make.
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Just seen the highlights and the sending off looks a fair decision to me
I agree with you.
I often look at incidents like this in reverse. Ask yourself, if Nuneaton's left back had tackled Wafula in the same way, would we have accepted a yellow was fair? I certainly wouldn't have, so for me, red was right.
I don't mean for a minute that anything about it was malicious, but it was hard and late and at full speed looked horrible.
Until VAR arrives in the Vanarama North, rightly or wrongly the ref gets one chance, and I can agree with the decision.
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Just seen the highlights and the sending off looks a fair decision to me
I agree with you.
I often look at incidents like this in reverse. Ask yourself, if Nuneaton's left back had tackled Wafula in the same way, would we have accepted a yellow was fair? I certainly wouldn't have, so for me, red was right.
I don't mean for a minute that anything about it was malicious, but it was hard and late and at full speed looked horrible.
Until VAR arrives in the Vanarama North, rightly or wrongly the ref gets one chance, and I can agree with the decision.
You are both right vin the end he did give the ref the chance to make the decision, l am sure he will learn from it.
Stay on your feet don't dive in
I hope though this doesn't affect the lad to much, as l really believe he has some talent, and in the future will play at a much higher level.
I do rate him very much.
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I still can't agree about Ashley's sending off. It was right in front of us and was reckless (those around me immediately said that he'd be lucky to stay on) - although I agree with Pete that in the context of the game, and the ref's failure to send off the Willis-pushing Nuneaton player, it didn't fit in. And you're right - she did take a yellow out first. The point is that he gave her a decision to make.
I watched the highlights yesterday afternoon after my original post and on a second viewing it does look a pretty bad challenge, much worse than it seemed at the time. I don't think it was malicious, just badly timed, but yes - had that happened in reverse I would have been screaming for a red. Perhaps the linesman did get it right after all!
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At the time I thought Jackson could get away with a yellow card but the video shows it was a red, not a malicious tackle but over forceful and mistimed. Amy Fearn wasn't going for red and wrote on her yellow card but the lino convinced her otherwise.
What was George doing charging out of his goal and did he actually head the ball off the centre forwards foot? The No. 9 should have gone for his retaliation knocking Willis into the hoarding.
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At the time I thought Jackson could get away with a yellow card but the video shows it was a red, not a malicious tackle but over forceful and mistimed. Amy Fearn wasn't going for red and wrote on her yellow card but the lino convinced her otherwise.
What was George doing charging out of his goal and did he actually head the ball off the centre forwards foot? The No. 9 should have gone for his retaliation knocking Willis into the hoarding.
Yes George did head the ball, it was impressive.
But a little reckless considering if he had missed the ball, he would have probably seen red also.
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At the time I thought Jackson could get away with a yellow card but the video shows it was a red, not a malicious tackle but over forceful and mistimed. Amy Fearn wasn't going for red and wrote on her yellow card but the lino convinced her otherwise.
What was George doing charging out of his goal and did he actually head the ball off the centre forwards foot? The No. 9 should have gone for his retaliation knocking Willis into the hoarding.
Yes George did head the ball, it was impressive.
But a little reckless considering if he had missed the ball, he would have probably seen red also.
Hugely reckless given we also had no sub goalkeeper on the bench... even getting akick would have been a disaster.
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See a few ppl have mentioned about us not winning many headers in the first half. TBH i thought we did win our fair share if not more than them. The issue was to me in that area was only on a few was there any control on them and 90% of the time we never collected the 2nd ball. We was basicly winning the ball for them in the first half. The red card to me was red. even the replay shows it as a tad reckless but the way the ref was it was always going to be that way