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The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Oakham Pilgrim on April 26, 2018, 02:24:08 PM

Title: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on April 26, 2018, 02:24:08 PM
This has probably been aired before and I've missed it, but there seem to be 7 ex league clubs in National North (if one is generous to reformed BPA and Darlington) but none in National South. I have no conclusion to draw from this - it's just an observation!
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Ferret on April 26, 2018, 02:31:43 PM
I was thinking that Torquay will soon help to address the balance....but Chester will be joining us unless we win 9-0 on Saturday :-)
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: youngchubby69 on April 26, 2018, 03:35:40 PM
That is a strange statistic.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: leicester pilgrim on April 26, 2018, 07:25:46 PM
Hereford are coming up - possibility that they could end up in Conference South depending on who comes up with them.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Pilgrim86 on April 26, 2018, 07:36:54 PM
Hereford have not played in the Football League, you're confusing them with Hereford United.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: leicester pilgrim on April 26, 2018, 09:47:45 PM
No confusion, aware that Hereford are a reformed club. But if we're counting Darlington and BPA (as per original thread), we should also count Hereford.

Actually, Hereford are more closely linked to the original club than both BPA and Darlington as they still play at Edgar Street.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Pilgrim86 on April 27, 2018, 10:00:29 AM
I wouldn't count any of them.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on April 27, 2018, 11:30:38 AM
I wouldn't count any of them.

Bradford Park Avenue and Hereford are definitely NOT ex-League clubs. They are reformed versions of very, very defunct originals.

The situation is a little more complex with Darlington as I believe they assumed the assets of the old club including its debts, so I think they have more of a right to be considered a continuation of the old club, including its history. I think that's fair enough. The FA evidently agreed as they permitted them to drop the 1883 name and revert back to Darlington FC.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Pilgrim86 on April 27, 2018, 12:30:56 PM
I would count the change of name to Darlington 1883 (forced by the FA) as a hint it's a new club (in the same way that Nuneaton, Halifax, AFC R&D are, too).
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Pete Brooksbank on April 27, 2018, 01:49:05 PM
I would count the change of name to Darlington 1883 (forced by the FA) as a hint it's a new club (in the same way that Nuneaton, Halifax, AFC R&D are, too).

Like I say, the assets of the old Darlington were transferred over to a new company. It was more like a takeover. This doesn't often happen as normally the debt remains with the old club and the phoenix club starts from scratch as a new entity. The 1883 name was forced on them in quite controversial circumstances, presumably because although the old debt was paid off it wasn't done under any kind of FA-approved CVA as far as I know.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Ken Fox on April 27, 2018, 06:02:06 PM
I make it eight if Bradford Park Avenue and Darlington are included:

Boston United
Bradford Park Avenue
Darlington
Gainsborough Trinity
Kidderminster Harriers F.C.
Southport
Stockport County
York City

Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: youngchubby69 on April 27, 2018, 06:13:45 PM
Thanks for that Ken.
So do we take it that Northern based league clubs are more likely to get relegated than southern clubs, with the exception of Kidderminster from that list.
Would this be mostly down to North /South divide in terms of wealth and potential income.
Or is it that southern clubs have a bigger pool of players to choose from and a better development structure.
Very worrying though for us northern based clubs.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: leicester pilgrim on April 28, 2018, 09:02:53 AM
Chester are coming down and will add to the list (reformed club again, but still at the same stadium). And Barrow aren't quite mathematically safe yet. Could be that nearly half the league next year is made up of ex league clubs.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: aggy on April 28, 2018, 09:06:24 AM
Could be the kernel of a PhD thesis here.
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: SMELLS LIKE VICTORY on April 28, 2018, 12:30:12 PM

Sunderland are dropping line a stone.
They could add to the numbers in 3 years time.
(Apologies to any Mackems out there.)
Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Bodge on May 15, 2018, 05:44:57 PM
Really surprised when comparing the attendances between national north and south, only Dartford averaged over 1,000 in the south with about half in the North. Seems the north is much better supported but that doesn’t seem to equate to better performances on the pitch.

Title: Re: Ex League Clubs in National Leagues
Post by: Cavalier on May 15, 2018, 10:41:21 PM
A couple of "Southern" clubs who gained promotion from the level below us last season have been getting some good support, for example these matches in October.

2417    Dulwich Hamlet   V Needham Market   07.10.17.
1988    Billericay Town   V Hendon                   07.10.17.