Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Ernie100 on January 01, 2018, 04:24:42 PM
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2nd half: 1-1 Jarman off following 2nd yellow card. ;D
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FT 1-1 but according to Twitter we had chances to win it near the end, but a point will do.
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I listened to the last 15 minutes on the net, we had several chances to win at the end.
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I listened to commentary
Many chances yes .
But I think various managers have agreed there is a lack of skill (inc finishing ) at this level of football .
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It sounds like a game where we had chances then.
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It sounds like a game where we had chances then.
I think so lol
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Created enough chances to win two games but lacked that ruthless edge with the finishing. Failing to shoot first time or the final ball not finding a man having done the hard work.
They had two serious efforts all game, scored one.
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A decent performance without tearing any trees up. A solid point. Before Christmas I would have taken 4 points from the 2 local derbies, so I guess I should be happier, but playing against 10 men for much of the second half, maybe we could have come away with all 3 today. We lacked that killer touch in the final third. The midfield worked hard, and Thompson ran himself into the ground again. The ref could have given Jarman a straight red in the first half when he gave Willis 2 feet, studs up and straight in the guts, but he got his deserved early bath in the end. Well done to the 380 Pilgrims who turned out. They put the home contingent of 640 to shame. 13 points from the last 15 is a great foundation to build on into January and for the remainder of this campaign.
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Firstly well done to everyone yesterday players and fan's, a game we should have won easily in the end, we do need to be more clinical in front of goal.
Just listened to Frecklington on YouTube, what planet does this bloke live on, he thought it was an even game, again he bemoans the refs performance and defends Jarman for his disgraceful thuggish behaviour again.
The ref apparently should take in to consideration the wet pit h and the fact they have a small squad.
What Mr Frecklington should do is, put Jarman on a diet,fine him and then look for a replacement.
Trinity will go down, because their manager will not face up to the facts, and defends poor players, he has ruined Jordan Richards and Warren Mason, the only decent player he has got is Ravas, without him yesterday it would have been an embarrassing thrashing for Trinity.
I am just thankful that we didn't get Frecklington as our manager, or we would have been watching the tripe that he calls a good team.
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Firstly well done to everyone yesterday players and fan's, a game we should have won easily in the end, we do need to be more clinical in front of goal.
Just listened to Frecklington on YouTube, what planet does this bloke live on, he thought it was an even game, again he bemoans the refs performance and defends Jarman for his disgraceful thuggish behaviour again.
The ref apparently should take in to consideration the wet pit h and the fact they have a small squad.
What Mr Frecklington should do is, put Jarman on a diet,fine him and then look for a replacement.
Trinity will go down, because their manager will not face up to the facts, and defends poor players, he has ruined Jordan Richards and Warren Mason, the only decent player he has got is Ravas, without him yesterday it would have been an embarrassing thrashing for Trinity.
I am just thankful that we didn't get Frecklington as our manager, or we would have been watching the tripe that he calls a good team.
Good rant. Total bollocKs though
Jarman should not have been booked for either (fair) challenge - but disgraceful reaction of BUFC players (all swarming round the ref demanding red) probably sealed his fate. The first was a 50/50 the second was a clean tackle - watch the highlights on you tube
Contrast this with Thompson, who could have been booked four times including the equaliser
When he jumped leading with his elbow which caught our keeper. Foul, no goal and second yellow
Trinity shaded first half with two really good saves by Willis, and two good efforts for Boston
Second half and Boston started much better, the theatrics which ensured Jarman was sent off (defender jumping up and running off as soon as red was shown, is a little embarrassing for your player) left Boston in box seat for rest of game, but without any conviction in front of goal.
Draw was probably fair, but Boston will feel they should have won with extra man for most of second half
Btw who is Warren Mason?
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What highlights on you tube? I cant see any.
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Firstly well done to everyone yesterday players and fan's, a game we should have won easily in the end, we do need to be more clinical in front of goal.
Just listened to Frecklington on YouTube, what planet does this bloke live on, he thought it was an even game, again he bemoans the refs performance and defends Jarman for his disgraceful thuggish behaviour again.
The ref apparently should take in to consideration the wet pit h and the fact they have a small squad.
What Mr Frecklington should do is, put Jarman on a diet,fine him and then look for a replacement.
Trinity will go down, because their manager will not face up to the facts, and defends poor players, he has ruined Jordan Richards and Warren Mason, the only decent player he has got is Ravas, without him yesterday it would have been an embarrassing thrashing for Trinity.
I am just thankful that we didn't get Frecklington as our manager, or we would have been watching the tripe that he calls a good team.
Good rant. Total bollocKs though
Jarman should not have been booked for either (fair) challenge - but disgraceful reaction of BUFC
Second half and Boston started much better, the theatrics which ensured Jarman was sent off (defender jumping up and running off as soon as red was shown, is a little embarrassing for your player) left Boston in box seat for rest of game, but without any conviction in front of goal.
Draw was probably fair, but Boston will feel they should have won with extra man for most of second half
Btw who is Warren Mason?
Total bollocks, what a laugh. No theatrics from Boston, Steelihat, Jarman let his manager, teammates and fans down. Don't forget Stainfield got away with only a yellow for a blatant elbow on boxing day. In case you forgot, our centre half wore #6, #20 and a blank shirt due to blood spilt thanks to this. Jarman could have had a straight red for the challenge on Willis, so to do the same thing again was sheer stupidity, and he fully deserved the early bath. When you say draw was fair, I suspect you're actually pleased to get something out of the game. You have a manager happy to blame everything else rather than admit his team didn't do the job, and whilst his head is in the sand, Trinity will never achieve anything other than mid table indifference. We may have plenty of issues still to sort out at Boston, but recognising and accepting them is the first step.
Ps Mason Warren is a decent player who was on loan to us earlier this season. Wide left and attacking is the best way to play him, not in centre mid.
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Firstly well done to everyone yesterday players and fan's, a game we should have won easily in the end, we do need to be more clinical in front of goal.
Just listened to Frecklington on YouTube, what planet does this bloke live on, he thought it was an even game, again he bemoans the refs performance and defends Jarman for his disgraceful thuggish behaviour again.
The ref apparently should take in to consideration the wet pit h and the fact they have a small squad.
What Mr Frecklington should do is, put Jarman on a diet,fine him and then look for a replacement.
Trinity will go down, because their manager will not face up to the facts, and defends poor players, he has ruined Jordan Richards and Warren Mason, the only decent player he has got is Ravas, without him yesterday it would have been an embarrassing thrashing for Trinity.
I am just thankful that we didn't get Frecklington as our manager, or we would have been watching the tripe that he calls a good team.
Good rant. Total bollocKs though
Jarman should not have been booked for either (fair) challenge - but disgraceful reaction of BUFC players (all swarming round the ref demanding red) probably sealed his fate. The first was a 50/50 the second was a clean tackle - watch the highlights on you tube
Contrast this with Thompson, who could have been booked four times including the equaliser
When he jumped leading with his elbow which caught our keeper. Foul, no goal and second yellow
Trinity shaded first half with two really good saves by Willis, and two good efforts for Boston
Second half and Boston started much better, the theatrics which ensured Jarman was sent off (defender jumping up and running off as soon as red was shown, is a little embarrassing for your player) left Boston in box seat for rest of game, but without any conviction in front of goal.
Draw was probably fair, but Boston will feel they should have won with extra man for most of second half
Btw who is Warren Mason?
Firstly bad offensive language is not the way we communicate on here, so if you want to use language like that go to the Facebook site.
Childish to pick out and make a point getting a players name wrong, when you clearly know who I am talking about.
To defend Jarman is futile,he has a track record for being sent off for dangerous tackle's and violent conduct, so ref's are always going to be looking out for him.
All players surround referees, so yours would have done the same.
At the end of the day, you are probably a little sore about the results and the fact that we are now streak's ahead of you regarding quality on the pitch, and our manager is far better than yours and actually has the guts to stand up and tell the truth about his players, good or bad.
Unlike Frecklington who just blows sunshine up his players backside, and blame's the officials.
What you really want to be worried about is loosing Ravas, without him between the sticks you are buried as he saved you from a thrashing on Monday,and that was confirmed by him getting MOM.
Perhaps he might be heading to Boston now, as he would be the only player of yours we would want,you keep the rest of your dross and Boston rejects.
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Firstly well done to everyone yesterday players and fan's, a game we should have won easily in the end, we do need to be more clinical in front of goal.
Just listened to Frecklington on YouTube, what planet does this bloke live on, he thought it was an even game, again he bemoans the refs performance and defends Jarman for his disgraceful thuggish behaviour again.
The ref apparently should take in to consideration the wet pit h and the fact they have a small squad.
What Mr Frecklington should do is, put Jarman on a diet,fine him and then look for a replacement.
Trinity will go down, because their manager will not face up to the facts, and defends poor players, he has ruined Jordan Richards and Warren Mason, the only decent player he has got is Ravas, without him yesterday it would have been an embarrassing thrashing for Trinity.
I am just thankful that we didn't get Frecklington as our manager, or we would have been watching the tripe that he calls a good team.
Good rant. Total bollocKs though
Jarman should not have been booked for either (fair) challenge - but disgraceful reaction of BUFC players (all swarming round the ref demanding red) probably sealed his fate. The first was a 50/50 the second was a clean tackle - watch the highlights on you tube
Contrast this with Thompson, who could have been booked four times including the equaliser
When he jumped leading with his elbow which caught our keeper. Foul, no goal and second yellow
Trinity shaded first half with two really good saves by Willis, and two good efforts for Boston
Second half and Boston started much better, the theatrics which ensured Jarman was sent off (defender jumping up and running off as soon as red was shown, is a little embarrassing for your player) left Boston in box seat for rest of game, but without any conviction in front of goal.
Draw was probably fair, but Boston will feel they should have won with extra man for most of second half
Btw who is Warren Mason?
Firstly bad offensive language is not the way we communicate on here, so if you want to use language like that go to the Facebook site.
Childish to pick out and make a point getting a players name wrong, when you clearly know who I am talking about.
To defend Jarman is futile,he has a track record for being sent off for dangerous tackle's and violent conduct, so ref's are always going to be looking out for him.
All players surround referees, so yours would have done the same.
At the end of the day, you are probably a little sore about the results and the fact that we are now streak's ahead of you regarding quality on the pitch, and our manager is far better than yours and actually has the guts to stand up and tell the truth about his players, good or bad.
Unlike Frecklington who just blows sunshine up his players backside, and blame's the officials.
What you really want to be worried about is loosing Ravas, without him between the sticks you are buried as he saved you from a thrashing on Monday,and that was confirmed by him getting MOM.
Perhaps he might be heading to Boston now, as he would be the only player of yours we would want,you keep the rest of your dross and Boston rejects.
Take your points in order
Bad language not acceptable
Wrong name, poor research or proof reading on your part
Whatever Jarman’s previous, he was booked twice wrongly, and you neglect to mention the ridiculous reaction of your centre half - he should be ashamed of himself
Not all players surround the ref - note Trinity’s reaction to Thompson leading with his elbow to equalise
You drew against a team with ten for most of second half - quality didn’t show there
Ravas played well, good handling, but your keeper made more outstanding saves on the day
Did you actually go to the game?
We do have some ex Boston players - and you have at least four in your sixteen who have played for us. Two of whom you paid for
Your manager has only been there a few weeks give him time
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Firstly well done to everyone yesterday players and fan's, a game we should have won easily in the end, we do need to be more clinical in front of goal.
Just listened to Frecklington on YouTube, what planet does this bloke live on, he thought it was an even game, again he bemoans the refs performance and defends Jarman for his disgraceful thuggish behaviour again.
The ref apparently should take in to consideration the wet pit h and the fact they have a small squad.
What Mr Frecklington should do is, put Jarman on a diet,fine him and then look for a replacement.
Trinity will go down, because their manager will not face up to the facts, and defends poor players, he has ruined Jordan Richards and Warren Mason, the only decent player he has got is Ravas, without him yesterday it would have been an embarrassing thrashing for Trinity.
I am just thankful that we didn't get Frecklington as our manager, or we would have been watching the tripe that he calls a good team.
Good rant. Total bollocKs though
Jarman should not have been booked for either (fair) challenge - but disgraceful reaction of BUFC players (all swarming round the ref demanding red) probably sealed his fate. The first was a 50/50 the second was a clean tackle - watch the highlights on you tube
Contrast this with Thompson, who could have been booked four times including the equaliser
When he jumped leading with his elbow which caught our keeper. Foul, no goal and second yellow
Trinity shaded first half with two really good saves by Willis, and two good efforts for Boston
Second half and Boston started much better, the theatrics which ensured Jarman was sent off (defender jumping up and running off as soon as red was shown, is a little embarrassing for your player) left Boston in box seat for rest of game, but without any conviction in front of goal.
Draw was probably fair, but Boston will feel they should have won with extra man for most of second half
Btw who is Warren Mason?
Firstly bad offensive language is not the way we communicate on here, so if you want to use language like that go to the Facebook site.
Childish to pick out and make a point getting a players name wrong, when you clearly know who I am talking about.
To defend Jarman is futile,he has a track record for being sent off for dangerous tackle's and violent conduct, so ref's are always going to be looking out for him.
All players surround referees, so yours would have done the same.
At the end of the day, you are probably a little sore about the results and the fact that we are now streak's ahead of you regarding quality on the pitch, and our manager is far better than yours and actually has the guts to stand up and tell the truth about his players, good or bad.
Unlike Frecklington who just blows sunshine up his players backside, and blame's the officials.
What you really want to be worried about is loosing Ravas, without him between the sticks you are buried as he saved you from a thrashing on Monday,and that was confirmed by him getting MOM.
Perhaps he might be heading to Boston now, as he would be the only player of yours we would want,you keep the rest of your dross and Boston rejects.
Take your points in order
Bad language not acceptable
Wrong name, poor research or proof reading on your part
Whatever Jarman’s previous, he was booked twice wrongly, and you neglect to mention the ridiculous reaction of your centre half - he should be ashamed of himself
Not all players surround the ref - note Trinity’s reaction to Thompson leading with his elbow to equalise
You drew against a team with ten for most of second half - quality didn’t show there
Ravas played well, good handling, but your keeper made more outstanding saves on the day
Did you actually go to the game?
We do have some ex Boston players - and you have at least four in your sixteen who have played for us. Two of whom you paid for
Your manager has only been there a few weeks give him time
your manager has had time and still hasn't improved anything. I also understand he's failed to check how many players are eligible to play at Spennymoor and he's now making excuses pre match for his impending defeat! Good luck naming a bench! PS I DID go to the game, and your Tinpot tinted glasses are still seeing things that didn't happen.
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Not sure which points you are referring to, but highlights are (now) available on you tube, and all my statements are backed up
Btw I was replying to young chubby
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Not sure which points you are referring to, but highlights are (now) available on you tube, and all my statements are backed up
Btw I was replying to young chubby
i was replying to your comments as a fellow fan, whoever you intended them to. Its a public forum, so i didn't realise we could only address points specifically put to us as individuals. we too are "in it tog...", no, wait a minute, I've got a better one, " we are United". BTW I was there and don't need highlights.
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The one thing that I know is that from both fixtures,we have gained 4 points and Trinity got 1.
Points are what will keep you up, not blaming the officials and constant moaning by Mr Frecklington,who should be putting his full focus on stopping your current slide down the league.
Now move on and good luck with the rest of the season.
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all my statements are backed up
Well you would say that. Jarman was late with both challenges - 2 bookings very much deserved.
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Not sure which points you are referring to, but highlights are (now) available on you tube, and all my statements are backed up
Btw I was replying to young chubby
If you say about poor facts it was a center midfielder not a center half.
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Not sure which points you are referring to, but highlights are (now) available on you tube, and all my statements are backed up
Btw I was replying to young chubby
i was replying to your comments as a fellow fan, whoever you intended them to. Its a public forum, so i didn't realise we could only address points specifically put to us as individuals. we too are "in it tog...", no, wait a minute, I've got a better one, " we are United". BTW I was there and don't need highlights.
Being there was good, however as you were best part of 100yards from second incident, perhaps another look might change your mind (perhaps not 😎)
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The one thing that I know is that from both fixtures,we have gained 4 points and Trinity got 1.
Points are what will keep you up, not blaming the officials and constant moaning by Mr Frecklington,who should be putting his full focus on stopping your current slide down the league.
Now move on and good luck with the rest of the season.
Can’t argue with the points, think you deserved four points from the two games.
New manager has made a big difference (would have liked to play you when you had the best midfielder in the league) not sure I like all the play acting and haranguing of the ref (Brogan didn’t do it when he played for us) but the team looks quite good
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all my statements are backed up
Well you would say that. Jarman was late with both challenges - 2 bookings very much deserved.
First challenge 50/50
Second challenge he won the ball one footed - your player was late and dived when he didn’t get the ball. Highlights available on you tube
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Not sure which points you are referring to, but highlights are (now) available on you tube, and all my statements are backed up
Btw I was replying to young chubby
If you say about poor facts it was a center midfielder not a center half.
Last player between Jarman (a striker) and the goal.
Perhaps nominally a centre mid, but at that moment he was in centre half position
He should be ashamed of himself getting another player sent off
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Why are we still discussing this? It was definitely a red card, why? Because the ref gave it. End of. Move on.
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I wasn't at the match listened in on BBC Lincs , looking at the video ex-pro Hone I think got it right , the two offences justified a red card .
Makepeace and Hone thought the first offence may have justified a red .
Looking at the second offence several times my two main observations were , 1. the player did over react after the incident but if he had not jumped he would probably got a smashed ankle at the least . 2 . the ref was within a few feet looking at the incident with a better closer view than fans or video watchers this along with the ex-pro view I think the sending off was well justified .
As for the alleged elbow could anyone see it on the video ? I failed to do , where was the elbow blow supposed to have landed ?
To me it appeared that the claim by Ravas was somewhat delayed .
Not often I disagree with you Steeli but I do on this occasion . sorry .
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From my view i thought the first challenge was 50/50. The second looked overly aggressive. One yellow from me but I am not the ref.
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I can see why Jarman thought of going for the first challenge but since Willis got the ball cleanly I'm not sure it was actually 50-50. Also Willis was going in head first to grasp the ball so Jarman going in feet first was dangerous as he was putting Willis at risk of a kick in the head. I thought Jarman shouldn't have gone to ground but instead ran in and hurdled the keeper as forwards often do. So definitely a yellow at least.
I couldn't see much of the second so can't comment on that
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I wasn't at the match listened in on BBC Lincs , looking at the video ex-pro Hone I think got it right , the two offences justified a red card .
Makepeace and Hone thought the first offence may have justified a red .
Looking at the second offence several times my two main observations were , 1. the player did over react after the incident but if he had not jumped he would probably got a smashed ankle at the least . 2 . the ref was within a few feet looking at the incident with a better closer view than fans or video watchers this along with the ex-pro view I think the sending off was well justified .
As for the alleged elbow could anyone see it on the video ? I failed to do , where was the elbow blow supposed to have landed ?
To me it appeared that the claim by Ravas was somewhat delayed .
Not often I disagree with you Steeli but I do on this occasion . sorry .
Wouldn’t do for us all to agree ghm, but also after viewing the second offence lots of times, still come to the conclusion that it was a fair challenge, the ball won cleanly, and the reaction got Jarman a card.
No problems with players jumping out of way, but the ‘pretending’ was disgraceful.
As you say the ref was close by, and should have seen it for what it was.
Your team were playing well, and were marginally on top - this deflects from an otherwise good performance
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all my statements are backed up
Well you would say that. Jarman was late with both challenges - 2 bookings very much deserved.
First challenge 50/50
Second challenge he won the ball one footed - your player was late and dived when he didn’t get the ball. Highlights available on you tube
Would never call the first 50/50 - Willis got the ball first, Jarman should have seen this was gong to happen and pull out, rather than slide in.
He jumped into both 'tackles'. Winning the ball does not guarantee it not being a foul... from the highlights (which you keep referring to), Jarman landed his studs on the foot of Abbott for the 2nd challenge - definite yellow.
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I was very close to the first imcident with Jarman. It was plainly obvious from where I was stood that he wasn’t ever going to get there first and he dived in. In my opinion it was a brief moment of madness where he decided to leave something on the keeper. I think he was lucky not to get a red. With that in mind and on a yellow, the lunge at Abbot in the box was foolish at best, especially right in front of the ref. I agree contact is minimal, but nowadays it’s considered dangerous play to lunge in, whether you take the ball or not. I think he was very foolish having got away with the first, to go for the second one.
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Also I think your memory is very selective Steeli, I saw a couple of occasions where Trinity players tried to cajole the ref into dishing out cards for minor infractions.
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Not forgetting the eight or so who crowded the ref on Boxing Day after Stainfields elbow incident.
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At the end of the day, Jarman should not have given the ref the chance to make those decisions.
He has a reputation for his rash and sometimes dangerous tackle's.
So he should know better.
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I was very close to the first imcident with Jarman. It was plainly obvious from where I was stood that he wasn’t ever going to get there first and he dived in. In my opinion it was a brief moment of madness where he decided to leave something on the keeper. I think he was lucky not to get a red. With that in mind and on a yellow, the lunge at Abbot in the box was foolish at best, especially right in front of the ref. I agree contact is minimal, but nowadays it’s considered dangerous play to lunge in, whether you take the ball or not. I think he was very foolish having got away with the first, to go for the second one.
I think the Trinity fans condemning the ref are probably like me , an old fart living in the past .
On BBC Lincs Mark Hone backed the red card decision pointing out as Maxross says nowadays it's considered dangerous to lunge in .
Hone commented when he played 20/25 years ago it was an accepted part of the game , but rightly so these injury threatening " tackles" are no longer permitted .
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I was very close to the first imcident with Jarman. It was plainly obvious from where I was stood that he wasn’t ever going to get there first and he dived in. In my opinion it was a brief moment of madness where he decided to leave something on the keeper. I think he was lucky not to get a red. With that in mind and on a yellow, the lunge at Abbot in the box was foolish at best, especially right in front of the ref. I agree contact is minimal, but nowadays it’s considered dangerous play to lunge in, whether you take the ball or not. I think he was very foolish having got away with the first, to go for the second one.
He probably thought he would get away with it again as the ref bottled the first one, anyway he got what he deserved in the end.
I personally can't stand him, he has never been anything other than a moaning winging thug.
Childish pathetic spoilt brat, that I am pleased we never signed for how club.
I know that sounds harsh, but I can't hide my disgust for him.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Jarman
Jarman was sent off during his Football League debut for Bury. He was then sent off on his club debut for Grimsby. And then he was sent off in his last game for Grimsby. His red card on New Year's Day was his second one this season. But presumably Gainsborough fans will still insist "he's not that kind of player."
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Jarman
Jarman was sent off during his Football League debut for Bury. He was then sent off on his club debut for Grimsby. And then he was sent off in his last game for Grimsby. His red card on New Year's Day was his second one this season. But presumably Gainsborough fans will still insist "he's not that kind of player."
Like GHM, I also listened to Mark Hone on Radio Lincolnshire after the game. He made reference to being a former team mate of Jarman and said that he has a tendency to get caught up in the emotion of games and make rash tackles. I think that was clear for all to see last week, after the booking for the foul on Willis, he lost his head a bit with some of our fans. I thought he was a good player to be honest but he’s no use if he’s taking an early bath every other week.