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Title: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 24, 2017, 07:49:09 AM
I think it would have been a nice gesture by the club to let kid's in for free on Boxing day, as I should imagine there will be a lot of people bringing their children with them.
It might even encourage a few more adults to come if the kids go free.
After all it is Christmas.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on December 24, 2017, 08:14:11 AM
I think this would be a first for Boxing Day so wasn't expecting it. Did you contact the Club to suggest it ?
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Shrimperpilgrim on December 24, 2017, 08:53:47 AM
Great idea chubby and I agree it probably would bring extra adults as well as added food programme merchandise sales but to do this the club would have needed to publicise it to max it out.
So probably a tad late.
Do agree though the club as a whole could really try a bit harder to grab people from their armchairs.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: York Street Pilgrim on December 24, 2017, 09:15:07 AM
Anyone who thinks Boston United should do more to get people out of their armchairs ought to take a look at clubs like Alfreton, £14 yesterday to enter one of the worst grounds in Conference North, and then £3 for a programme which doesn't contain one quarter the reading material of our own. Boston are streets ahead of many clubs in our league for the overall matchday experience and value for money, and I get fed up sometimes of reading people criticising our club!

Rant over, merry Xmas!

Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 24, 2017, 09:42:54 AM
Anyone who thinks Boston United should do more to get people out of their armchairs ought to take a look at clubs like Alfreton, £14 yesterday to enter one of the worst grounds in Conference North, and then £3 for a programme which doesn't contain one quarter the reading material of our own. Boston are streets ahead of many clubs in our league for the overall matchday experience and value for money, and I get fed up sometimes of reading people criticising our club!

Rant over, merry Xmas!
I am no criticising the club, but trying to tap into extra revenue from people who are probably visiting their relatives over the Xmas period and with the kids going free they would be able to treat a relative to a match.
Not to mention a much bigger crowd and atmosphere future supporters etc.
It was just a thought but a late one at that, I am not going to fall out over it.
So merry Xmas YSP and let's hope for another win on Boxing Day,4 in a row would be a massive achievement.
I  looking forward to going, and I have to admit I haven't felt like that many times this season.
I agree Alfertons ground is awful, can't agree more.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 24, 2017, 09:44:06 AM
I think this would be a first for Boxing Day so wasn't expecting it. Did you contact the Club to suggest it ?
Do you think it's to late to suggest it.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: joshb on December 24, 2017, 10:37:27 AM
If only... Club does its best to ensure it's own fans can't attend.....
When was the last time they did an offer for home games? The kiddy trophy game was always going to be reduced as neither were fussed about the cup.
They don't lower kids prices as they say the season ticket for them works out at a quid a game....
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: joshb on December 24, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
Anyone who thinks Boston United should do more to get people out of their armchairs ought to take a look at clubs like Alfreton, £14 yesterday to enter one of the worst grounds in Conference North, and then £3 for a programme which doesn't contain one quarter the reading material of our own. Boston are streets ahead of many clubs in our league for the overall matchday experience and value for money, and I get fed up sometimes of reading people criticising our club!

Rant over, merry Xmas!

Fully agree, even if I'll still find something to moan about at bufc. Theat programme yesterday was a disgrace and £14 to get in there is no better.
Good day out though
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 24, 2017, 11:28:55 AM
If only... Club does its best to ensure it's own fans can't attend.....
When was the last time they did an offer for home games? The kiddy trophy game was always going to be reduced as neither were fussed about the cup.
They don't lower kids prices as they say the season ticket for them works out at a quid a game....

Just thought it would have been a nice gesture to the fans.
For me it's just about getting more people in and a better atmosphere.
Notts County season ticket holders get to bring a friend free twice a year to a home match, and kid's often get in free.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Dipdodah on December 24, 2017, 11:58:16 AM
If only... Club does its best to ensure it's own fans can't attend.....
When was the last time they did an offer for home games? The kiddy trophy game was always going to be reduced as neither were fussed about the cup.
They don't lower kids prices as they say the season ticket for them works out at a quid a game....

Just thought it would have been a nice gesture to the fans.
For me it's just about getting more people in and a better atmosphere.
Notts County season ticket holders get to bring a friend free twice a year to a home match, and kid's often get in free.

That's a great idea.  Season ticket holders can bring a friend and kids for free.  Fill the ground make us the 12th man could be a loss leader, think for the future.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: green hats mate on December 24, 2017, 12:36:58 PM
If only... Club does its best to ensure it's own fans can't attend.....
When was the last time they did an offer for home games? The kiddy trophy game was always going to be reduced as neither were fussed about the cup.
They don't lower kids prices as they say the season ticket for them works out at a quid a game....

Easy to say reduce prices ,  my guess is those who suggest it would be the first to moan when the chairman had to reduce the managers budget through lower gate income .
The club put on a good offer on season tickets for the rest of the season .    I see on BUFC facebook Andy Butler suggested he would rather pay the full price to support club finances ,  I think most of our friends share Andys view .
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 24, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
If only... Club does its best to ensure it's own fans can't attend.....
When was the last time they did an offer for home games? The kiddy trophy game was always going to be reduced as neither were fussed about the cup.
They don't lower kids prices as they say the season ticket for them works out at a quid a game....

Easy to say reduce prices ,  my guess is those who suggest it would be the first to moan when the chairman had to reduce the managers budget through lower gate income .
The club put on a good offer on season tickets for the rest of the season .    I see on BUFC facebook Andy Butler suggested he would rather pay the full price to support club finances ,  I think most of our friends share Andys view .

To be honest GHM, I don't have a problem with what we pay for entry and season tickets.
I was only suggesting a one off kids go free for this very important Boxing day fixture to boost the crowd attendance.
As I have said before, you only get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Bostonshire on December 24, 2017, 01:01:02 PM
It doesnt work, Reduced matches for example the past 2 seasons have only reduced income, Boxing day is a important income stream for the club and with 3oo+ getting in for free it be  massive decrease
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Maxross on December 24, 2017, 05:59:00 PM
It doesnt work, Reduced matches for example the past 2 seasons have only reduced income, Boxing day is a important income stream for the club and with 3oo+ getting in for free it be  massive decrease

How do you know? There is no metric that allows you to measure the effectiveness of these kind of promotions in terms of their true aim, which is to cultivate new supporters. I can offer some anecdotal evidence though.

As a young 13 year old, many years ago I was handed a free ticket on one of the clubs promotions via school. I hadn’t considered coming to a Boston match before, but I was hooked after one game and came to every single match afterwards for about 5 years. I bought plenty of merchandise over the years and even persuaded a whole group of friends to come along. I visit less nowadays but I’ve passed my passion on to my kids who are now avid fans themselves. That free ticket may have cost the club £5 in lost revenue back in 1993, but it’s been paid back and then some.

My point is that these type’s of promotions are very much slow burners and are unlikely to yield obvious short term results. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them though.  In this day and age with all the distractions kids have we should be working even harder to attract the next generation of fans if we want to survive.

One final point, re Alfreron, I don’t think it’s a good idea to point at a poorly run club and give ourselves a pat on the back. We should be comparing ourselves to the best and realise we are not competing with the likes of Alfreton for fans. We are competing with Smart Phones, X Boxes, Televised matches and all the other things kids can do nowadays. If we want to compete with that we have to think outside the box and offer an excellent product. Or die.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Steviemas on December 24, 2017, 08:29:24 PM
Good post Maxross, with so much other attractions nowadays for kids, vitally important that clubs try and do all they can to bring in the future generation of supporters. Like yourself I was hooked at a very early age in the mid seventies when my parents took me to my first Bufc game, followed them ever since now for forty odd years.
 If clubs like ourselves are to survive they need to look at a long term solution to bring in a future fanbase, sure probably take a hit financially in the short term, but it only needs that one game for a young kid to go to be hooked for life, happened to me.
           We Are Boston
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Bostonshire on December 25, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
It doesnt work, Reduced matches for example the past 2 seasons have only reduced income, Boxing day is a important income stream for the club and with 3oo+ getting in for free it be  massive decrease

How do you know? There is no metric that allows you to measure the effectiveness of these kind of promotions in terms of their true aim, which is to cultivate new supporters. I can offer some anecdotal evidence though.

As a young 13 year old, many years ago I was handed a free ticket on one of the clubs promotions via school. I hadn’t considered coming to a Boston match before, but I was hooked after one game and came to every single match afterwards for about 5 years. I bought plenty of merchandise over the years and even persuaded a whole group of friends to come along. I visit less nowadays but I’ve passed my passion on to my kids who are now avid fans themselves. That free ticket may have cost the club £5 in lost revenue back in 1993, but it’s been paid back and then some.

My point is that these type’s of promotions are very much slow burners and are unlikely to yield obvious short term results. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them though.  In this day and age with all the distractions kids have we should be working even harder to attract the next generation of fans if we want to survive.

One final point, re Alfreron, I don’t think it’s a good idea to point at a poorly run club and give ourselves a pat on the back. We should be comparing ourselves to the best and realise we are not competing with the likes of Alfreton for fans. We are competing with Smart Phones, X Boxes, Televised matches and all the other things kids can do nowadays. If we want to compete with that we have to think outside the box and offer an excellent product. Or die.

It was mentioned several times on twitter last time we did match day reductions on twitter by a not those close to the club but those in the club. I do follow our General manager and media outlets
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Bostonshire on December 25, 2017, 09:50:23 AM
Just to add i sort of guess when you mention effectiveness im guessing you mean long term (please correct me if wrong). I see your point but we dont have that luxery at mo. Its a week to week here at mo
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Cavalier on December 25, 2017, 10:53:22 AM
Happy Christmas everyone.   Hope to celebrate the match on Boxing Day with as many young and not so young supporters as possible.  Much to look forward to after the recent results and every reason to join in.   
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Maxross on December 26, 2017, 09:47:45 AM
It doesnt work, Reduced matches for example the past 2 seasons have only reduced income, Boxing day is a important income stream for the club and with 3oo+ getting in for free it be  massive decrease

How do you know? There is no metric that allows you to measure the effectiveness of these kind of promotions in terms of their true aim, which is to cultivate new supporters. I can offer some anecdotal evidence though.

As a young 13 year old, many years ago I was handed a free ticket on one of the clubs promotions via school. I hadn’t considered coming to a Boston match before, but I was hooked after one game and came to every single match afterwards for about 5 years. I bought plenty of merchandise over the years and even persuaded a whole group of friends to come along. I visit less nowadays but I’ve passed my passion on to my kids who are now avid fans themselves. That free ticket may have cost the club £5 in lost revenue back in 1993, but it’s been paid back and then some.

My point is that these type’s of promotions are very much slow burners and are unlikely to yield obvious short term results. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them though.  In this day and age with all the distractions kids have we should be working even harder to attract the next generation of fans if we want to survive.

One final point, re Alfreron, I don’t think it’s a good idea to point at a poorly run club and give ourselves a pat on the back. We should be comparing ourselves to the best and realise we are not competing with the likes of Alfreton for fans. We are competing with Smart Phones, X Boxes, Televised matches and all the other things kids can do nowadays. If we want to compete with that we have to think outside the box and offer an excellent product. Or die.

It was mentioned several times on twitter last time we did match day reductions on twitter by a not those close to the club but those in the club. I do follow our General manager and media outlets

I think you missed my point. My point was that it is impossible to judge the short term or long term effectiveness of these kind of promotions with only attendance figures. You simply don’t have the data to make that judgement.

If you look at the game to which the promotion applies in isolation, then perhaps you’ll make a loss.  My own story provides an example of this. The club lost £5 on match day, but as I watched another 10 games over the remainder of the season, each at £5, then over the course of the season they actually made a £45 profit out of it. This wouldn’t show up in the attendance figures, but clearly it was a good investment. Both in the short term and the long term.

I disagree about it being a luxury, I think it’s actually a neccesity. You simply have to keep seeding the next generation of fans continuously to ensure the long term survival of the club. Watching football is an expensive leisure activity, taking for granted that we will always have 1000+ hardcore fans turn up and doing nothing to attract new ones is a dangerous game in my opinion.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: lonegunman on December 26, 2017, 11:35:55 AM
Lovely day for a footy match. Pint of spitfire, chips and curry, and three points, what could be better.
Be interested to see the team sheet, same as last time out, or a few changes?
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Bostonshire on December 26, 2017, 12:56:49 PM
It doesnt work, Reduced matches for example the past 2 seasons have only reduced income, Boxing day is a important income stream for the club and with 3oo+ getting in for free it be  massive decrease

How do you know? There is no metric that allows you to measure the effectiveness of these kind of promotions in terms of their true aim, which is to cultivate new supporters. I can offer some anecdotal evidence though.

As a young 13 year old, many years ago I was handed a free ticket on one of the clubs promotions via school. I hadn’t considered coming to a Boston match before, but I was hooked after one game and came to every single match afterwards for about 5 years. I bought plenty of merchandise over the years and even persuaded a whole group of friends to come along. I visit less nowadays but I’ve passed my passion on to my kids who are now avid fans themselves. That free ticket may have cost the club £5 in lost revenue back in 1993, but it’s been paid back and then some.

My point is that these type’s of promotions are very much slow burners and are unlikely to yield obvious short term results. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do them though.  In this day and age with all the distractions kids have we should be working even harder to attract the next generation of fans if we want to survive.

One final point, re Alfreron, I don’t think it’s a good idea to point at a poorly run club and give ourselves a pat on the back. We should be comparing ourselves to the best and realise we are not competing with the likes of Alfreton for fans. We are competing with Smart Phones, X Boxes, Televised matches and all the other things kids can do nowadays. If we want to compete with that we have to think outside the box and offer an excellent product. Or die.

It was mentioned several times on twitter last time we did match day reductions on twitter by a not those close to the club but those in the club. I do follow our General manager and media outlets

I think you missed my point. My point was that it is impossible to judge the short term or long term effectiveness of these kind of promotions with only attendance figures. You simply don’t have the data to make that judgement.

If you look at the game to which the promotion applies in isolation, then perhaps you’ll make a loss.  My own story provides an example of this. The club lost £5 on match day, but as I watched another 10 games over the remainder of the season, each at £5, then over the course of the season they actually made a £45 profit out of it. This wouldn’t show up in the attendance figures, but clearly it was a good investment. Both in the short term and the long term.

I disagree about it being a luxury, I think it’s actually a neccesity. You simply have to keep seeding the next generation of fans continuously to ensure the long term survival of the club. Watching football is an expensive leisure activity, taking for granted that we will always have 1000+ hardcore fans turn up and doing nothing to attract new ones is a dangerous game in my opinion.

Didnt miss it at all. i posted a 2nd post straight after
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Winging It on December 26, 2017, 05:26:38 PM
Another great win under a manager who is certainly turning some eyes. Time for all fans to stop the moaning about who was right and who was wrong about the previous two managers and focus on supporting this one and the team which he has got winning !! Awesome times are on the horizon.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: howmanynames2pick on December 26, 2017, 06:08:35 PM
You may well be spot on there Left back
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: lonegunman on December 26, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
Really enjoyed the game today.
Not sure about the MOM though, personally i'd have gone for Ben Middleton, or Reece Thompson.
Ben was a rock in defence and although Reece didn't score, he worked his socks off and never gave the defenders a moments peace.
All in all an enjoyable game and three big points.
Well done CE and all the lads.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Maxross on December 26, 2017, 06:17:15 PM
Really enjoyed the game today.
Not sure about the MOM though, personally i'd have gone for Ben Middleton, or Reece Thompson.
Ben was a rock in defence and although Reece didn't score, he worked his socks off and never gave the defenders a moments peace.
All in all an enjoyable game and three big points.
Well done CE and all the lads.

I thought Middleton played well too, particularly after taking a bad knock in the face early on. Overall a decent result and nice to keep the winning run going. If we win at Gainsborough on New Year’s Day, are we in with an outside shot at the playoffs?
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Shrimperpilgrim on December 26, 2017, 06:19:05 PM
Today showed how far we have come over recent weeks as after dominating for long periods on Saturday today was different and we had to earn the rite to play as it was a scrappy niggly opening half.
As the game wore on we showed our resolve and basically easily saw out a 2.0 win.
For me Either of our center halfs or Thommo were man of the match.
Well done to all let's take loads to boro and make it 5 wins on the spin!
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: lonegunman on December 26, 2017, 06:20:07 PM
I'm just happy to be away from the drop zone!!
I see FC United beat $alford today.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Cavalier on December 26, 2017, 06:29:19 PM
Happy Christmas everyone.   Hope to celebrate the match on Boxing Day with as many young and not so young supporters as possible.  Much to look forward to after the recent results and every reason to join in.

Not the best game but a battle of a local derby, 2 goals, a clean sheet and  a 4th consecutive win.  What's not to like.
Excellent turn out today.  Well done everyone and a Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Cousin Jack on December 26, 2017, 06:47:16 PM

  Nice to be joint top. Only the form table, but that's a good start!
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: baldfinn on December 26, 2017, 07:14:40 PM
One for Ken , when did we last win 4 league games in a row
Thanks
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 26, 2017, 07:17:05 PM
Very good gritty performance, I agree the man of the match was wrong in my opinion, should have been Middleton by country mile.
A very good gate and the atmosphere, Stainsfield is a very poor player and should have had a straight red card.
Jarman is a fat moaning joke, that should have been sent off as well, but the ref missed the late challenge.
We are going in the right direction, the two midfield lads are excellent on the ball, at last we have a decent midfield.
Thompson is a true worker and deserves to score more goals.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Bostonshire on December 26, 2017, 07:38:33 PM
Ill agree with young chubby, Bout spot on regarding Stainfield, Gritty game and a true edgy local game. They came to destroy the game and run with a point.  Dont know if Middleton and Stainfield have history but Stainfield looked at Middleton before he raised his elbows so hopefully someone might be able to find a link there.  Thompson as a motor on him and as played a big part of our recovery. and i thought he was MOM. Rollings up untill he scored i thought was terrible tried to take his man on and lost everytime
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: The Third Twin on December 26, 2017, 08:04:05 PM

Jarman is a fat moaning joke, that should have been sent off as well, but the ref missed the late challenge.
I reckon Jarman wasn't actually moaning to the ref, but kept going to her cos he was trying to give her his phone number!
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Crazy Neil on December 26, 2017, 08:22:14 PM
Sign of a good team when you can get a result when not playing at your best.

Stainfield should have walked, we all know that she obviously saw it otherwise no card would have been shown but then why wasn't it a red. Same as that one on halfway line when Reece turned his man and was chopped down, that was cynical to say the least.

Poor quality game but three points and 4 wins in 4 so we shouldn't really be picking faults with the team.

Bennett up front played well in my opinion, he kept running off the ball dragging the defenders all over the place, he always wanted the ball and a peach of a pass to set up Jay for the first goal.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on December 26, 2017, 08:45:14 PM
One for Ken , when did we last win 4 league games in a row
Thanks

15/16 season.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 27, 2017, 04:15:53 AM
One for Ken , when did we last win 4 league games in a row
Thanks

15/16 season.
When was the last time we got five in a row,, I don't remember DG getting us more than 4 in a row.
We are well capable of going to the northolme and taking another 3 points, the pressure is on them not us.
They know a defeat could see them back in the relegation places.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on December 27, 2017, 05:52:06 AM
Five in a row ? March 2015. More recent than you'd think.

TEP
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 27, 2017, 07:06:24 AM
Five in a row ? March 2015. More recent than you'd think.

TEP
What's our longest run of wins under DG.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on December 27, 2017, 08:18:43 AM
I don't think DG surpassed five in a row. Shorty & Shouty managed six I think - and a run of nine including cup games.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Ferret on December 27, 2017, 09:04:05 AM
If we win at Gainsborough on New Year’s Day, are we in with an outside shot at the playoffs?

We're only 7 points away now......and 50-1 with Betway.........
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: joshb on December 27, 2017, 11:05:14 AM
Last won 5 straight Harrogate to Worcester at the latter end of 2014/15
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on December 27, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
Have just listened to Dave Frecklington on the Trinity website and I must say that he made a very honest assessment of the game, not only about his own team but about the lack of class on the field. Clearly both teams have played better recently! But we have to take the positive that earlier in the season it was a game we might have lost or drawn and we now look a team whose members know the job they are supposed to be doing. I agree that Middleton should have been MOM, and I'm pleased that Keane is where he ought to be, not that he let us down when playing midfield. The players that CE has brought in all seem improvements and/or fit into the system. Brogan and Walker had steady games as did the midfielders. UTP.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Bostonshire on December 27, 2017, 12:43:57 PM
Im gonna differ a little about his lack of class comment. Rollings goal had a touch of class in it. The interchanges of passes in a cramped box followed by a inch perfect shot to the back post. Our class may not of been bright but its there to see in flashes, I think this team is about to click and when it does i think that class is about to show. Only thing i will say althou we wasnt punished yesterday we still left some massive gaps at the back
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Oakham Pilgrim on December 27, 2017, 03:19:59 PM
I was just agreeing with his observation that the game as a whole was not of a great standard, hence my comment that we have played better previously, and I confidently expect us to do so in the future.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 27, 2017, 08:35:31 PM
I think surely we all have got to be happy with the recent results and team performance.
Only a couple of weeks ago we looked like a team Destin for relegation with no direction and no confidence.
Let's enjoy our recent success, God knows it's took some time coming.
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: Crazy Neil on December 29, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
One more snippet, what the hell have they done to Jordan Richards? He looked great during his loan spell with us and added to the team but on Tuesday he just strutted around whining at the ref and had no impact on the game at all (not worried about that bit) has he really gone backwards or is it their management style as he looked no better than Shane Clarke.

Oh, Tinpot fans taking the piss out of us last season yet their team is made up off all the crap AM got rid of :D
Title: Re: Boxing Day v Trinity
Post by: youngchubby69 on December 29, 2017, 05:39:48 PM
One more snippet, what the hell have they done to Jordan Richards? He looked great during his loan spell with us and added to the team but on Tuesday he just strutted around whining at the ref and had no impact on the game at all (not worried about that bit) has he really gone backwards or is it their management style as he looked no better than Shane Clarke.

Oh, Tinpot fans taking the piss out of us last season yet their team is made up off all the crap AM got rid of :D
Spot on matey, I thought he looked awful and worse than Clark, the moaning comes from playing with Jarman.
Frecklington moans a lot, mostly about refs, but did praise us though.