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The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: The Third Twin on November 12, 2017, 03:41:44 PM

Title: Craig Elliot
Post by: The Third Twin on November 12, 2017, 03:41:44 PM
New chap at the helm.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Crazy Neil on November 12, 2017, 03:43:31 PM
Thought we were after someone with NL and NLN experience? Hope we have not fallen for the patter of saying all the right things, we had that with Drury.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: The Third Twin on November 12, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
Thought we were after someone with NL and NLN experience? Hope we have not fallen for the patter of saying all the right things, we had that with Drury.
3 promotions in 4 seasons with Shaw Lane and currently in a good position again this season. I appreciate that's at a lower level, but he's clearly playing winning football, and that's a good habit to bring to our club.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: copper89 on November 12, 2017, 03:55:25 PM
Good luck to him.They don't want to lose him.like Scott and Hurst has a good Northern League record so sounds promising. Brave appointment considering KHs efforts.
Welcome on-board Craig and whoever you bring with you.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: mike brolly boots on November 12, 2017, 04:05:13 PM
Good move someone progressing his career through the lower leagues not someone who's managed and failed from a higher level  #goodappointment
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Champs next year on November 12, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Thought we were after someone with NL and NLN experience? Hope we have not fallen for the patter of saying all the right things, we had that with Drury.
3 promotions in 4 seasons with Shaw Lane and currently in a good position again this season. I appreciate that's at a lower level, but he's clearly playing winning football, and that's a good habit to bring to our club.
Agree with that TTT turned SL into a winning force & he would have probably taken them into CN next season. Alot of these bright managers in NP do well in our league & further. Look at managers from NP with spennymoor & Blythe this season.
Elliot saw us a big club & is obviously more than up for the challenge. All the best to him.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 12, 2017, 04:47:04 PM
 Historically BUFC have recruited gaffers hugely from Yorks / NE .

  Gruff looking , Northern and a good record , trust the Owner  :angel:
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: lonegunman on November 12, 2017, 05:02:40 PM
Welcome Craig Elliot, I hope you can get us moving up the league.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 12, 2017, 05:32:03 PM
 I know its pit Leagues but his Shaw Lane history reads incredible   ::)

  There's some fairly interesting names there ..

   
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Shrimperpilgrim on November 12, 2017, 05:45:53 PM
Hmmmmmm
Shaw lane were basically a park team that have gone through the leagues let's hope along the way he has spotted a few gems and we can tempt a few to add to what Karl has got out of our improved side over the last 2 weeks.
This was a vital appointment which must work for the club.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 12, 2017, 05:57:51 PM
The Owner has decided ,looks the most proper manager since S & S combined .

   Hopefully we will be caused to keep off his back for the next few months / years ..

   Wonder how longs the contract ?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Crazy Neil on November 12, 2017, 06:17:48 PM
Thought we were after someone with NL and NLN experience? Hope we have not fallen for the patter of saying all the right things, we had that with Drury.

Not doubting he has promotions under his belt, was merely asking why DN said what I posted and then employed someone who had not been in either league.

Wish him well and after watching Shaw Lane on tv last week I like his approach to the game, just hope he doesn't bring a "best player in the league" type though  ;)
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Dipdodah on November 12, 2017, 06:59:08 PM
Nosher coming back?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: The Big M on November 12, 2017, 07:02:35 PM
Thought we were after someone with NL and NLN experience? Hope we have not fallen for the patter of saying all the right things, we had that with Drury.

You really couldn't make Boston fans up. Here is an idea giver him a chance. He's only managed in non League. He actually said he'd prefer someone with conference north experience not it was a deal breaker
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Crazy Neil on November 12, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
I am giving him a chance, just repeating what the Chairman said. We had a manager who made comments and they came back to haunt him remember  ;D

As I  said, I liked what I saw last week when Shaw Lane were on tv and welcome his appointment and, like every other manager, I will give him time and hope he is not driven out by the boo boys as he tries to get the lads playing his way. I have only ever called for one manager to be sacked and that was Moyes at United :D

Onwards and upwards and looking forward to the next chapter in our History.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: oxo on November 12, 2017, 07:39:14 PM
I am giving him a chance, just repeating what the Chairman said. We had a manager who made comments and they came back to haunt him remember  ;D

As I  said, I liked what I saw last week when Shaw Lane were on tv and welcome his appointment and, like every other manager, I will give him time and hope he is not driven out by the boo boys as he tries to get the lads playing his way. I have only ever called for one manager to be sacked and that was Moyes at United :D

Onwards and upwards and looking forward to the next chapter in our History.


And the hole gets deeper.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 12, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
Welcome Craig, good luck, can you bring some of that Shaw Lane team with you, especially a striker.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: leicester pilgrim on November 12, 2017, 08:14:10 PM
Former Harrogate player. Funny old game.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 12, 2017, 08:25:32 PM
Watched some of their games on utube ..
  Beat Barrow in FACQ4 
   

Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: james on November 12, 2017, 08:42:18 PM
Do hope Hawley stays on. Slightly surprised he hasn't got the gig for the rest of the season. Elliott more used to being near the top of the table at Shaw Lane. Bit different at a higher level near the drop zone. Wish him well of course. Certainly an interesting appointment.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 12, 2017, 09:15:25 PM
Hope Craig extends his success story with us ,  and thanks to Karl Hawley for showing there is potential in the present squad .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Crazy Neil on November 12, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
I am giving him a chance, just repeating what the Chairman said. We had a manager who made comments and they came back to haunt him remember  ;D

As I  said, I liked what I saw last week when Shaw Lane was on tv and welcome his appointment and, like every other manager, I will give him time and hope he is not driven out by the boo boys as he tries to get the lads playing his way. I have only ever called for one manager to be sacked and that was Moyes at United :D

Onwards and upwards and looking forward to the next chapter in our History.


And the hole gets deeper.

Cannot see why you say that, was merely quoting what DN said last week.  I have said I will back him as I have done previous managers and thought Shaw Lane were unlucky against Mansfield last week, if he instills that into the team then we will soon be out the relegation zone. Not sure what else you read into my post to come up with your comment to be honest.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: The Third Twin on November 12, 2017, 09:51:12 PM
Former Harrogate player. Funny old game.
also played for Ferriby, Stocksbridge, Farsley Celtic, Guiseley and Doncaster Rivers, plus another couple of lower ranked South Yorkshire teams.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 12, 2017, 09:55:12 PM
 Sheff Utd ?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: ceamboy on November 12, 2017, 10:03:36 PM
Well done Mr Newton for keeping to your statement when you said you wanted a experienced manager who knows the non league scene and players who ply their trade in it, Craig Elliot as proved it, This is a exiting signing for BUFC, let us hope Craig and his backroom team can  bring the good times back to BUFC like the last northern pair of managers Scott & Hurst did,  Welcome onboard to you and your team Craig and good luck in your challenges ahead. UP THE PILGRIMS.

Whoops too many shandies , stand corrected, now done.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 12, 2017, 10:33:36 PM
Well done Mr Newton for keeping to your statement when you said you wanted a experienced manager who knows the non league scene and players who ply their trade in it, Carl Elliot as proved it, This is a exiting signing for BUFC, let us hope Carl and his backroom team can  bring the good times back to BUFC like the last northern pair of managers Scott & Hurst did,  Welcome onboard to you and your team Carl, and good luck in your challenges ahead. UP THE PILGRIMS.

Who the fudge is Carl??
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Cavalier on November 12, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
We'll have to call him Mr. Elliot  so as not to confuse with our Craig!   :)
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 12, 2017, 11:10:23 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Artemis on November 12, 2017, 11:44:16 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Champs next year on November 13, 2017, 07:42:05 AM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.
The board must have wanted Craig enough to come to an agreement with Shaw Lane over the remainder of his contract.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 13, 2017, 11:58:22 AM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Doesn't say financial agreement... we'll probably be playing them next pre-season!
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pete B on November 13, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
True, and Shaw Lane's budget is such that they probably don't need to rinse us for taking their guy - but who knows?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2017, 01:14:21 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Yes you are right there, he did say that.
Probably none of the applicants really met the standard.
Definitely a u turn though.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Mick lawson on November 13, 2017, 03:08:31 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Yes you are right there, he did say that.
Probably none of the applicants really met the standard.
Definitely a u turn though.
didn't Dave newton say he wasn't going to go finding a manager from another club not say he wasn't going to pay compo .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2017, 03:56:15 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Yes you are right there, he did say that.
Probably none of the applicants really met the standard.
Definitely a u turn though.
didn't Dave newton say he wasn't going to go finding a manager from another club not say he wasn't going to pay compo .
Yes that is correct Mick, but we don't know who approached who, perhaps he did apply for the position.
I don't think there is anything stopping a manager applying for other jobs, freedom of movement etc.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2017, 04:16:13 PM
So all in all do we think this is a potentially good appointment or not, I was surprised when I heard.
Never saw that coming, unless I missed it no one mentioned his name.
This is an ambitious appointment, but also very risky and could seriously backfire on us.
KH was making progress and the improvement has been seen by all.
I would think KH will be a little gutted really, I would if it was me.
Well the proof will be in that big fat football pudding, but the best of luck to Craig and who ever he brings in with him, but I don't think KH will remain in that team.
KH though would be a great asset to help bunny out.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 13, 2017, 04:28:32 PM

I would think KH will be a little gutted really, I would if it was me.

He didn't apply for the job.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 13, 2017, 05:00:27 PM

I would think KH will be a little gutted really, I would if it was me.

He didn't apply for the job.
I didn't see that in the media, or is this inside information.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Steelihat on November 13, 2017, 05:12:46 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Doesn't say financial agreement... we'll probably be playing them next pre-season!

Craig Wood, chairman of Evo-Stik League Premier club Shaw Lane AFC, has announced the departure of manager Craig Elliott.

Wood announced that his manager had decided to make the step up into the Vanarama National League North with Boston United.

Wood said: “Craig has this morning announced that he will be leaving the club with immediate effect to join Boston United as their first-team manager.

“Craig spoke to myself this morning to announce his decision and stated that he had not made the decision lightly, but felt that the opportunity to manage such a big club as Boston United does not come around too often. Craig is expected to take his backroom staff with him, although this has yet to be confirmed.

“Craig was appointed as manager of Shaw Lane AFC by myself in February 2014 and in that time has brought three promotions in four seasons as well as securing the Sheffield Senior Cup last season and took the club to the First Round proper of the Emirates FA Cup this season. Unfortunately, when a manager is as successful as Craig has been, then invariably it will attract attention from other clubs and, although Craig was under contract with Shaw Lane until 2019, an agreement has been reached between both clubs and I would like to thank Craig for the great work he has done in that time at our football club and I wish him well for the future.


Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 13, 2017, 06:46:06 PM
With NPL being just below ConfNorth , the difference is approx 6 places .

  You would think CE could carry it  8)
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Champs next year on November 13, 2017, 07:03:59 PM

I would think KH will be a little gutted really, I would if it was me.

He didn't apply for the job.
I didn't see that in the media, or is this inside information.
In Standard last week
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 13, 2017, 07:27:35 PM
So all in all do we think this is a potentially good appointment or not, I was surprised when I heard.
Never saw that coming, unless I missed it no one mentioned his name.
This is an ambitious appointment, but also very risky and could seriously backfire on us.
KH was making progress and the improvement has been seen by all.
I would think KH will be a little gutted really, I would if it was me.
Well the proof will be in that big fat football pudding, but the best of luck to Craig and who ever he brings in with him, but I don't think KH will remain in that team.
KH though would be a great asset to help bunny out.

I think many will go along with your top four lines chubby , and yes like all appointments it is a risk .
I don't see where Karl fits in now , bench warmer at the best I would think .  Guess the new manager would like him to leave to free up money for new signing/s .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Champs next year on November 13, 2017, 08:13:04 PM
 As boring as it sounds Mr Elliot (like whoever else took it) has a massive job this season just keeping us in this league.
The table doesn't lie, 2nd bottom with just 4 wins from 18 games.
This season may be the most competitive the CN has ever been. Mid table may not exist until the final day of season as so many teams will scrap for that 7th place to get in play offs. That will only increase the pressure on other 2 drop places - with ferriby gone already.
It's been so much better last 3 games KH deserves much credit, as we also know teams always seem to lift it when the manager departs?
Tough start for CE Saturday, but let's face it the position we are in makes them all big games now. I didn't see Leamington, but if we play as we did Salford & Stockport we will get the points we need.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 13, 2017, 08:40:57 PM

I would think KH will be a little gutted really, I would if it was me.

He didn't apply for the job.
I didn't see that in the media, or is this inside information.


http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/sport/football/boston-united/deadline-extended-hawley-considering-boston-united-manager-job-as-chairman-newton-says-he-d-accept-his-caretaker-s-application-1-8230193
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 13, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Doesn't say financial agreement... we'll probably be playing them next pre-season!

Craig Wood, chairman of Evo-Stik League Premier club Shaw Lane AFC, has announced the departure of manager Craig Elliott.

Wood announced that his manager had decided to make the step up into the Vanarama National League North with Boston United.

Wood said: “Craig has this morning announced that he will be leaving the club with immediate effect to join Boston United as their first-team manager.

“Craig spoke to myself this morning to announce his decision and stated that he had not made the decision lightly, but felt that the opportunity to manage such a big club as Boston United does not come around too often. Craig is expected to take his backroom staff with him, although this has yet to be confirmed.

“Craig was appointed as manager of Shaw Lane AFC by myself in February 2014 and in that time has brought three promotions in four seasons as well as securing the Sheffield Senior Cup last season and took the club to the First Round proper of the Emirates FA Cup this season. Unfortunately, when a manager is as successful as Craig has been, then invariably it will attract attention from other clubs and, although Craig was under contract with Shaw Lane until 2019, an agreement has been reached between both clubs and I would like to thank Craig for the great work he has done in that time at our football club and I wish him well for the future.

Thanks for that... doesn't really answer my post though, does it? "an agreement has been reached between both clubs"
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Bostonshire on November 14, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Doesn't say financial agreement... we'll probably be playing them next pre-season!

Craig Wood, chairman of Evo-Stik League Premier club Shaw Lane AFC, has announced the departure of manager Craig Elliott.

Wood announced that his manager had decided to make the step up into the Vanarama National League North with Boston United.

Wood said: “Craig has this morning announced that he will be leaving the club with immediate effect to join Boston United as their first-team manager.

“Craig spoke to myself this morning to announce his decision and stated that he had not made the decision lightly, but felt that the opportunity to manage such a big club as Boston United does not come around too often. Craig is expected to take his backroom staff with him, although this has yet to be confirmed.

“Craig was appointed as manager of Shaw Lane AFC by myself in February 2014 and in that time has brought three promotions in four seasons as well as securing the Sheffield Senior Cup last season and took the club to the First Round proper of the Emirates FA Cup this season. Unfortunately, when a manager is as successful as Craig has been, then invariably it will attract attention from other clubs and, although Craig was under contract with Shaw Lane until 2019, an agreement has been reached between both clubs and I would like to thank Craig for the great work he has done in that time at our football club and I wish him well for the future.

Thanks for that... doesn't really answer my post though, does it? "an agreement has been reached between both clubs"

As you say it could be a freindly agreement,

Could even be something silly like a agreement that we wont raid there team
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 14, 2017, 02:42:05 PM
Yes that could very well be the agreement, as that would probably cost them promotion.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 14, 2017, 04:54:50 PM
Looks like we had to pay for his services, as he was on a contract until 2019.
Apparently they came to an agreement.

That's something else DN said wouldn't happen because BUFC couldn't afford it.

Doesn't say financial agreement... we'll probably be playing them next pre-season!

Craig Wood, chairman of Evo-Stik League Premier club Shaw Lane AFC, has announced the departure of manager Craig Elliott.

Wood announced that his manager had decided to make the step up into the Vanarama National League North with Boston United.

Wood said: “Craig has this morning announced that he will be leaving the club with immediate effect to join Boston United as their first-team manager.

“Craig spoke to myself this morning to announce his decision and stated that he had not made the decision lightly, but felt that the opportunity to manage such a big club as Boston United does not come around too often. Craig is expected to take his backroom staff with him, although this has yet to be confirmed.

“Craig was appointed as manager of Shaw Lane AFC by myself in February 2014 and in that time has brought three promotions in four seasons as well as securing the Sheffield Senior Cup last season and took the club to the First Round proper of the Emirates FA Cup this season. Unfortunately, when a manager is as successful as Craig has been, then invariably it will attract attention from other clubs and, although Craig was under contract with Shaw Lane until 2019, an agreement has been reached between both clubs and I would like to thank Craig for the great work he has done in that time at our football club and I wish him well for the future.

Thanks for that... doesn't really answer my post though, does it? "an agreement has been reached between both clubs"

As you say it could be a freindly agreement,

Could even be something silly like a agreement that we wont raid there team

There are FA rules about how many non-contract players you can sign from one team every 28 days. Although I assume most of their squad are on (well paid) contracts.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 15, 2017, 02:07:38 AM
One would like to think of hiring the odd younger player from Shaw Lane .

    I hope a distinctive and positive change in management style is seen from Saturday onwards  ::)
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Shrimperpilgrim on November 15, 2017, 06:59:45 AM
I hope we play with width and are in their faces out of possession add a forward and possibly 1 or 2 better additions then we will start to climb the league.
As for the current squad lads keep the work rate of the last 3 games up and we will move up the table.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 15, 2017, 03:45:01 PM
I agree Craig will have to add to this team, to avoid the drop.
I know we need another striker, but I guess we will need another midfielder, defender and possibly a goal keeper.
But Craig dissent seem to think he needs anyone at the moment, but I think he will soon realise he does.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on November 15, 2017, 05:37:41 PM
Will Hawley stay as a striker ?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: howmanynames2pick on November 15, 2017, 07:19:07 PM
bit harsh on the keeper Chubby :)
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 15, 2017, 07:19:49 PM
I don't know, but nobody has said that he has left yet.
So he may stay who knows.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 15, 2017, 07:22:07 PM
bit harsh on the keeper Chubby :)

No I meant as a good number two, I think Willis is a decent keeper, but we don't have anyone to really push him.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: The Third Twin on November 15, 2017, 11:05:19 PM
bit harsh on the keeper Chubby :)

No I meant as a good number two, I think Willis is a decent keeper, but we don't have anyone to really push him.
would the wages spent on a second keeper be better spent on extra outfield talent?
 assuming there is a limit to the playing budget? Maybe a second keeper is considered an unnecessary luxury?
Title: Re: where are they now?
Post by: Champs next year on November 15, 2017, 11:19:12 PM
Gregg Mills has joined Darlington.
29 goals in 74 Conf North games.
Good going for a left winger!
Title: Re: where are they now?
Post by: Cavalier on November 15, 2017, 11:38:35 PM
Gregg Mills has joined Darlington.
29 goals in 74 Conf North games.
Good going for a left winger!

To replace Mark Beck, a 6ft 5ins centre forward sold by Darlington to, you've guessed it, Harrogate Town.  He was The Quakers' leading scorer last season.  Will he be in the team against us on Sat?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 16, 2017, 01:57:52 AM
 6'5 ?
  No worries ..  :-X
Title: Re: where are they now?
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 16, 2017, 02:03:07 AM
Gregg Mills has joined Darlington.
29 goals in 74 Conf North games.
Good going for a left winger!

To replace Mark Beck, a 6ft 5ins centre forward sold by Darlington to, you've guessed it, Harrogate Town.  He was The Quakers' leading scorer last season.  Will he be in the team against us on Sat?

Let's hope that Harrogate get promoted, or all this splashing the cash around could seriously come back and bite them.
It seems to me that they are getting carried away with trying to keep up with Salford,.
If they don't get automatic promotion, it will mean the play offs for them, and we all know that is a lottery and very really goes to the favourite.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 16, 2017, 02:07:24 AM
bit harsh on the keeper Chubby :)

No I meant as a good number two, I think Willis is a decent keeper, but we don't have anyone to really push him.
would the wages spent on a second keeper be better spent on extra outfield talent?
 assuming there is a limit to the playing budget? Maybe a second keeper is considered an unnecessary luxury?

Probably TTT, I wouldn't think there is much money left to spend in the budget, or perhaps DN has held some back.
The Quadrant development seems to be moving along nicely, so there might be some extra Wonga available.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 16, 2017, 09:20:45 AM
 Probably the latest move in the 'we hate Boston ' vibe .

   Rue the money wasted on the last excuse for a manager .

  CE s experience in the NLP may come in very useful in the coming years ..

 
Title: Re: where are they now?
Post by: green hats mate on November 16, 2017, 09:51:05 AM
Gregg Mills has joined Darlington.
29 goals in 74 Conf North games.
Good going for a left winger!
Gregg Mills has joined Darlington.
29 goals in 74 Conf North games.
Good going for a left winger!

To replace Mark Beck, a 6ft 5ins centre forward sold by Darlington to, you've guessed it, Harrogate Town.  He was The Quakers' leading scorer last season.  Will he be in the team against us on Sat?

Real merry go round  resulting from York taking Darlo manager and Darlo replacing him with Nunny manager .

York have taken 3 players which Darlo fans seem disappointed to lose ,  they seem not to have any problems with Beck going to Harrogate as they claim he is injury prone .

Mills gaol return is fantastic considering he has scored few goals at Nunny and their fans are delighted to see the back of him .
Title: Re: where are they now?
Post by: green hats mate on November 16, 2017, 10:04:31 AM
Gregg Mills has joined Darlington.
29 goals in 74 Conf North games.
Good going for a left winger!
Gregg Mills has joined Darlington.
29 goals in 74 Conf North games.
Good going for a left winger!

To replace Mark Beck, a 6ft 5ins centre forward sold by Darlington to, you've guessed it, Harrogate Town.  He was The Quakers' leading scorer last season.  Will he be in the team against us on Sat?

Real merry go round  resulting from York taking Darlo manager and Darlo replacing him with Nunny manager .

York have taken 3 players which Darlo fans seem disappointed to lose ,  they seem not to have any problems with Beck going to Harrogate as they claim he is injury prone .

Mills gaol return is fantastic considering he has scored few goals at Nunny and their fans are delighted to see the back of him .


According to Wiki Greg Mills has scored 32 goals in 161 northern Con games .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 16, 2017, 02:24:59 PM
Probably the latest move in the 'we hate Boston ' vibe .

   Rue the money wasted on the last excuse for a manager .

  CE s experience in the NLP may come in very useful in the coming years ..

Do you think if we get relegated it would be the end of the world, I don't think it would and would probably give us a chance to save a bit of money and build a winning team, as S&H did.
The gates would probably be better than they are now.
I don't think we will go down, as I think this team is showing that it can dominate teams at the top end of this league.
We still need to improve on killing games off, but I feel that will come in time.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 16, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
 Hi YC .
   I touched on something similar at a point when DG was under scrutiny .
  It was the old 3/4 cornered argument re New ground when/ if / potential V going full / part time V ability/will of Bostonshire public to support a certain level of football .. ::)
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 16, 2017, 07:14:57 PM
Probably the latest move in the 'we hate Boston ' vibe .

   Rue the money wasted on the last excuse for a manager .

  CE s experience in the NLP may come in very useful in the coming years ..

Do you think if we get relegated it would be the end of the world, I don't think it would and would probably give us a chance to save a bit of money and build a winning team, as S&H did.
The gates would probably be better than they are now.
I don't think we will go down, as I think this team is showing that it can dominate teams at the top end of this league.
We still need to improve on killing games off, but I feel that will come in time.

Valid points there chubby , conversely getting promoted does not guarantee bigger gates if you cannot put out a winning side .
I think at the moment relegation would be preferable to promotion .
I think the next six games will give a good indication if relegation is a real threat .
Probably  more twists and turns before the season ends .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: oxo on November 16, 2017, 09:34:19 PM
Probably the latest move in the 'we hate Boston ' vibe .

   Rue the money wasted on the last excuse for a manager .

  CE s experience in the NLP may come in very useful in the coming years ..

Do you think if we get relegated it would be the end of the world, I don't think it would and would probably give us a chance to save a bit of money and build a winning team, as S&H did.
The gates would probably be better than they are now.
I don't think we will go down, as I think this team is showing that it can dominate teams at the top end of this league.
We still need to improve on killing games off, but I feel that will come in time.

Valid points there chubby , conversely getting promoted does not guarantee bigger gates if you cannot put out a winning side .
I think at the moment relegation would be preferable to promotion .
I think the next six games will give a good indication if relegation is a real threat .
Probably  more twists and turns before the season ends .


Valid point my backside Pete have you both been on the juice. Relegation preferable to promotion? never heard such crap, for goodness sake brighten up your outlook the pair of you and stop posting such rubbish. By the way you know I love you really.  UTP
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 16, 2017, 09:49:03 PM
Probably the latest move in the 'we hate Boston ' vibe .

   Rue the money wasted on the last excuse for a manager .

  CE s experience in the NLP may come in very useful in the coming years ..

Do you think if we get relegated it would be the end of the world, I don't think it would and would probably give us a chance to save a bit of money and build a winning team, as S&H did.
The gates would probably be better than they are now.
I don't think we will go down, as I think this team is showing that it can dominate teams at the top end of this league.
We still need to improve on killing games off, but I feel that will come in time.

Valid points there chubby , conversely getting promoted does not guarantee bigger gates if you cannot put out a winning side .
I think at the moment relegation would be preferable to promotion .
I think the next six games will give a good indication if relegation is a real threat .
Probably  more twists and turns before the season ends .


Valid point my backside Pete have you both been on the juice. Relegation preferable to promotion? never heard such crap, for goodness sake brighten up your outlook the pair of you and stop posting such rubbish. By the way you know I love you really.  UTP

We've a long way to go on and of the field before we can dream about promotion Mel ,  demotion might be the lesser of the two evils .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Crazy Neil on November 16, 2017, 10:33:06 PM
As my Lad said when we were two down the other week "Well, at least we will see some new teams and grounds next season" every cloud etc :D
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 17, 2017, 01:30:31 AM
A few little stats that kindly sent to me by Shaw Lane fan
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Tash on November 17, 2017, 07:26:14 PM
Probably the latest move in the 'we hate Boston ' vibe .

   Rue the money wasted on the last excuse for a manager .

  CE s experience in the NLP may come in very useful in the coming years ..
Do you think if we get relegated it would be the end of the world, I don't think it would and would probably give us a chance to save a bit of money and build a winning team, as S&H did.
The gates would probably be better than they are now.
I don't think we will go down, as I think this team is showing that it can dominate teams at the top end of this league.
We still need to improve on killing games off, but I feel that will come in time.

Valid points there chubby , conversely getting promoted does not guarantee bigger gates if you cannot put out a winning side .
I think at the moment relegation would be preferable to promotion .
I think the next six games will give a good indication if relegation is a real threat .
Probably  more twists and turns before the season ends .


Valid point my backside Pete have you both been on the juice. Relegation preferable to promotion? never heard such crap, for goodness sake brighten up your outlook the pair of you and stop posting such rubbish. By the way you know I love you really.  UTP

Relegation would be disastrous, don’t forget before the re-organisation of the Conf into national , north and south we are actually in the Northern Premier League now, if we were to be relegated this season it would be the equivalent to the Northern (evo lge 1 south). Anyone who thinks that would be a good thing needs to get real I’m afraid. Like Mel I love you really.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Champs next year on November 17, 2017, 09:58:09 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !



Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Cavalier on November 17, 2017, 11:59:59 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !

Agree with all the above.  Lets not let that happen and support our new manager.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 18, 2017, 12:29:52 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !


My statement was relegation is a better option than promotion .
Relegation to the Evo in recent history didn't do us any harm , remember S&H winning games in front of bigger gates than we are getting at the moment and bigger S/T sales ?. The vast majority of fans seemed happier then than they do now . Sponsors seemed happy .  That's a short summary to cover my relegation argument .

Where will we find a backer to fund F/T football to finance promotion ,and if promotion is achieved will the sponsor sink even more money in to sustain NC football without financial disaster ?  Idea's please .

Re: new ground ,  a lower grading ground would be acceptable resulting in lower initial costs .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Lee Newell on November 18, 2017, 12:46:10 PM
Worth bearing in mind it was only £10 to entrance fee when we were in the league below now, 30% higher at £13. This may have had some impact on attendances. But for the club 1000 @ £13 is more income than 1200 @ £10.

I really can't imagine relegation would be good for the club, financially or otherwise. If we did manage to get into the playoffs next season and get promotion, then I'm sure that this would be good for the club financially with higher attendances and can put the entry fee up from £13 to around £15. Yes, there may need to be an increase in playing budget but I'm sure the club would still be better off if stayed part time.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 18, 2017, 01:24:11 PM
Worth bearing in mind it was only £10 to entrance fee when we were in the league below now, 30% higher at £13. This may have had some impact on attendances. But for the club 1000 @ £13 is more income than 1200 @ £10.

I really can't imagine relegation would be good for the club, financially or otherwise. If we did manage to get into the playoffs next season and get promotion, then I'm sure that this would be good for the club financially with higher attendances and can put the entry fee up from £13 to around £15. Yes, there may need to be an increase in playing budget but I'm sure the club would still be better off if stayed part time.

Your figures do not stand up to scrutiny Lee ,  a substantial amount of support is pensioners and kids therefore I would estimate that admission price works out near to £10,  then Vat to be deducted .
Implementing your idea of a £3 price increase on attaining promotion ,working on a very optimistic figure of a 500 increase in attendances this would work out at an increase in income of £2500 per week , £500 extra would be needed in general overheads a week leaving £2000 a week extra for budget ,  nowhere near enough to compete at Nat Con level .
Working on your budgeting Lee we are doomed .


Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Champs next year on November 18, 2017, 01:26:14 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !


My statement was relegation is a better option than promotion .
Relegation to the Evo in recent history didn't do us any harm , remember S&H winning games in front of bigger gates than we are getting at the moment and bigger S/T sales ?. The vast majority of fans seemed happier then than they do now . Sponsors seemed happy .  That's a short summary to cover my relegation argument .

Where will we find a backer to fund F/T football to finance promotion ,and if promotion is achieved will the sponsor sink even more money in to sustain NC football without financial disaster ?  Idea's please .

Re: new ground ,  a lower grading ground would be acceptable resulting in lower initial costs .

You really need a bigger spade now GHM. I'm more than sure you will keep digging.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 18, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !


My statement was relegation is a better option than promotion .
Relegation to the Evo in recent history didn't do us any harm , remember S&H winning games in front of bigger gates than we are getting at the moment and bigger S/T sales ?. The vast majority of fans seemed happier then than they do now . Sponsors seemed happy .  That's a short summary to cover my relegation argument .

Where will we find a backer to fund F/T football to finance promotion ,and if promotion is achieved will the sponsor sink even more money in to sustain NC football without financial disaster ?  Idea's please .

Re: new ground ,  a lower grading ground would be acceptable resulting in lower initial costs .

You really need a bigger spade now GHM. I'm more than sure you will keep digging.

Sorry Champ you seem to miss entering details in your response ,  there for I can't detect why I need a spade .
I asked for a response to contradict my argument and you have failed to enclose it .  Awaiting your figures with interest .
Which part of my post gave incorrect details ?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Cavalier on November 18, 2017, 01:51:29 PM
This topic is supposed to be about Craig Elliot and I'm sure it won't do him or the club any good when supporters are "discussing" the merits or demerits of demotion.  Get a grip lads and lassies and let us pull our weight and put our efforts into positivity for this season.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: mdfman on November 18, 2017, 05:49:38 PM
Relegation would not be a good idea. There is no guarantee we would have a successful season in the division below so we cannot assume crowds would be higher than this season to make up for the reduced admission prices and other lost revenue. Let's hope the season picks up and this point becomes irrelevant.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on November 18, 2017, 07:11:19 PM
 I would ask folk to look at Shaw Lanes utubes from last few months and see what successful style of play they can glean .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 18, 2017, 07:30:43 PM
I would ask folk to look at Shaw Lanes utubes from last few months and see what successful style of play they can glean .

A lot of us don't have the time Ted ,   presumably you have had a look ,  what's your conclusion ?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 19, 2017, 04:04:49 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !


My statement was relegation is a better option than promotion .
Relegation to the Evo in recent history didn't do us any harm , remember S&H winning games in front of bigger gates than we are getting at the moment and bigger S/T sales ?. The vast majority of fans seemed happier then than they do now . Sponsors seemed happy .  That's a short summary to cover my relegation argument .

Where will we find a backer to fund F/T football to finance promotion ,and if promotion is achieved will the sponsor sink even more money in to sustain NC football without financial disaster ?  Idea's please .

Re: new ground ,  a lower grading ground would be acceptable resulting in lower initial costs .

You really need a bigger spade now GHM. I'm more than sure you will keep digging.

Sorry Champ you seem to miss entering details in your response ,  there for I can't detect why I need a spade .
I asked for a response to contradict my argument and you have failed to enclose it .  Awaiting your figures with interest .
Which part of my post gave incorrect details ?

CHAMPS ,  looks as if you are struggling for figures so I will help .
A 1500 gate in the Nat Con would bring in a net figure of appx £350,000 a year ,  approx. £7k a week .
With Chestnuts 150k a year and sponsorship would bring this up to about £12k a week .
Say the day to day running is £3k a week (low estimate I guess) that leaves  £9k a week for players wages .
Now if you are going to build a N C squad of 20 players on an average of £450 a week it will be certain relegation and gates down to 1,000 by the end of November . I doubt there is a team in NC with a wage bill of less than £12k  , and most in the £15 -£25+bracket.     DISASTROUS !!!

We've been along that route before with players on wages well over what we could  afford ,  but for the grace of God and Chestnuts purse we would not be discussing BUFC on Patter today .

Now I will repeat my statement , if we are relegated I would prefer the possibility of a S&H type season in the EVO to regroup and remain solvent . as opposed to disaster ( barring a miracle)  through living above our means for a season in the Nat Con .
Dress it up as you wish but without a sugar daddy NC would be a financial disaster for us at the present time .

Now if you, OXO and Tash can convince me and the majority of fans that the NC disaster option is the sensible way forward and explain how we would survive then forget  OXOs backside , I will willingly let OXO and TASH and yourself slap my arse in the centre of York St pitch pre-match Boxing Day .
 
No business plans accepted on Jim Rothwells discarded fag packets . :)

Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 19, 2017, 04:09:24 PM
Now if you are going to build a N C squad of 20 players on an average of £450 a week it will be certain relegation

Are you joking?
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Champs next year on November 19, 2017, 04:28:53 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !


My statement was relegation is a better option than promotion .
Relegation to the Evo in recent history didn't do us any harm , remember S&H winning games in front of bigger gates than we are getting at the moment and bigger S/T sales ?. The vast majority of fans seemed happier then than they do now . Sponsors seemed happy .  That's a short summary to cover my relegation argument .

Where will we find a backer to fund F/T football to finance promotion ,and if promotion is achieved will the sponsor sink even more money in to sustain NC football without financial disaster ?  Idea's please .

Re: new ground ,  a lower grading ground would be acceptable resulting in lower initial costs .

You really need a bigger spade now GHM. I'm more than sure you will keep digging.

Sorry Champ you seem to miss entering details in your response ,  there for I can't detect why I need a spade .
I asked for a response to contradict my argument and you have failed to enclose it .  Awaiting your figures with interest .
Which part of my post gave incorrect details ?

CHAMPS ,  looks as if you are struggling for figures so I will help .
A 1500 gate in the Nat Con would bring in a net figure of appx £350,000 a year ,  approx. £7k a week .
With Chestnuts 150k a year and sponsorship would bring this up to about £12k a week .
Say the day to day running is £3k a week (low estimate I guess) that leaves  £9k a week for players wages .
Now if you are going to build a N C squad of 20 players on an average of £450 a week it will be certain relegation and gates down to 1,000 by the end of November . I doubt there is a team in NC with a wage bill of less than £12k  , and most in the £15 -£25+bracket.     DISASTROUS !!!

We've been along that route before with players on wages well over what we could  afford ,  but for the grace of God and Chestnuts purse we would not be discussing BUFC on Patter today .

Now I will repeat my statement , if we are relegated I would prefer the possibility of a S&H type season in the EVO to regroup and remain solvent . as opposed to disaster ( barring a miracle)  through living above our means for a season in the Nat Con .
Dress it up as you wish but without a sugar daddy NC would be a financial disaster for us at the present time .

Now if you, OXO and Tash can convince me and the majority of fans that the NC disaster option is the sensible way forward and explain how we would survive then forget  OXOs backside , I will willingly let OXO and TASH and yourself slap my arse in the centre of York St pitch pre-match Boxing Day .
 
No business plans accepted on Jim Rothwells discarded fag packets . :)

I said you would keep digging with that bigger spade Hats & of course you have. You pathetically attempt to rationalise & justify your "preference that BUFC is relegated".

Your promotion argument is hypothetical as we are in a desperate fight to stay in the Conference North. Yes the Relegation fight that you would "Prefer" we Lost.

No doubt you will endeavour to continue to intellectualise your rediculous PRO Relegation nonsense even further.

You must feel increasingly lonely in that massive hole your digging.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on November 19, 2017, 04:33:15 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !


My statement was relegation is a better option than promotion .
Relegation to the Evo in recent history didn't do us any harm , remember S&H winning games in front of bigger gates than we are getting at the moment and bigger S/T sales ?. The vast majority of fans seemed happier then than they do now . Sponsors seemed happy .  That's a short summary to cover my relegation argument .

Where will we find a backer to fund F/T football to finance promotion ,and if promotion is achieved will the sponsor sink even more money in to sustain NC football without financial disaster ?  Idea's please .

Re: new ground ,  a lower grading ground would be acceptable resulting in lower initial costs .

You really need a bigger spade now GHM. I'm more than sure you will keep digging.

Sorry Champ you seem to miss entering details in your response ,  there for I can't detect why I need a spade .
I asked for a response to contradict my argument and you have failed to enclose it .  Awaiting your figures with interest .
Which part of my post gave incorrect details ?

CHAMPS ,  looks as if you are struggling for figures so I will help .
A 1500 gate in the Nat Con would bring in a net figure of appx £350,000 a year ,  approx. £7k a week .
With Chestnuts 150k a year and sponsorship would bring this up to about £12k a week .
Say the day to day running is £3k a week (low estimate I guess) that leaves  £9k a week for players wages .
Now if you are going to build a N C squad of 20 players on an average of £450 a week it will be certain relegation and gates down to 1,000 by the end of November . I doubt there is a team in NC with a wage bill of less than £12k  , and most in the £15 -£25+bracket.     DISASTROUS !!!

We've been along that route before with players on wages well over what we could  afford ,  but for the grace of God and Chestnuts purse we would not be discussing BUFC on Patter today .

Now I will repeat my statement , if we are relegated I would prefer the possibility of a S&H type season in the EVO to regroup and remain solvent . as opposed to disaster ( barring a miracle)  through living above our means for a season in the Nat Con .
Dress it up as you wish but without a sugar daddy NC would be a financial disaster for us at the present time .

Now if you, OXO and Tash can convince me and the majority of fans that the NC disaster option is the sensible way forward and explain how we would survive then forget  OXOs backside , I will willingly let OXO and TASH and yourself slap my arse in the centre of York St pitch pre-match Boxing Day .
 
No business plans accepted on Jim Rothwells discarded fag packets . :)

I agree GHM as I have said before if we can't compete financially in this league how the hell can we expect to in the NC.
It ain't going to happen full stop!!
Our future success revolves around getting that Stadium built,so we are making money not loosing it.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 19, 2017, 07:17:30 PM
I'm with Tash & Oxo, as I posted earlier I see relegation as a disaster for the club.

Consequences:

Reduced season ticket sales + expected lower home gates; along with possible withdrawn/stagnation in sponsorship.

A struggle to recruit quality players due to smaller playing budget with players unwilling to travel here on evostik wages.

Our better players leave to join other CN teams

Difficulty to challenge in the Evo Stik league due to the above.

Also where would lower league football leave BUFC re the proposed new stadium?

Plenty of games left to keep us in CN. Hope Craig Elliot is the man to do it !


My statement was relegation is a better option than promotion .
Relegation to the Evo in recent history didn't do us any harm , remember S&H winning games in front of bigger gates than we are getting at the moment and bigger S/T sales ?. The vast majority of fans seemed happier then than they do now . Sponsors seemed happy .  That's a short summary to cover my relegation argument .

Where will we find a backer to fund F/T football to finance promotion ,and if promotion is achieved will the sponsor sink even more money in to sustain NC football without financial disaster ?  Idea's please .

Re: new ground ,  a lower grading ground would be acceptable resulting in lower initial costs .

You really need a bigger spade now GHM. I'm more than sure you will keep digging.

Sorry Champ you seem to miss entering details in your response ,  there for I can't detect why I need a spade .
I asked for a response to contradict my argument and you have failed to enclose it .  Awaiting your figures with interest .
Which part of my post gave incorrect details ?

CHAMPS ,  looks as if you are struggling for figures so I will help .
A 1500 gate in the Nat Con would bring in a net figure of appx £350,000 a year ,  approx. £7k a week .
With Chestnuts 150k a year and sponsorship would bring this up to about £12k a week .
Say the day to day running is £3k a week (low estimate I guess) that leaves  £9k a week for players wages .
Now if you are going to build a N C squad of 20 players on an average of £450 a week it will be certain relegation and gates down to 1,000 by the end of November . I doubt there is a team in NC with a wage bill of less than £12k  , and most in the £15 -£25+bracket.     DISASTROUS !!!

We've been along that route before with players on wages well over what we could  afford ,  but for the grace of God and Chestnuts purse we would not be discussing BUFC on Patter today .

Now I will repeat my statement , if we are relegated I would prefer the possibility of a S&H type season in the EVO to regroup and remain solvent . as opposed to disaster ( barring a miracle)  through living above our means for a season in the Nat Con .
Dress it up as you wish but without a sugar daddy NC would be a financial disaster for us at the present time .

Now if you, OXO and Tash can convince me and the majority of fans that the NC disaster option is the sensible way forward and explain how we would survive then forget  OXOs backside , I will willingly let OXO and TASH and yourself slap my arse in the centre of York St pitch pre-match Boxing Day .
 
No business plans accepted on Jim Rothwells discarded fag packets . :)

I said you would keep digging with that bigger spade Hats & of course you have. You pathetically attempt to rationalise & justify your "preference that BUFC is relegated".

Your promotion argument is hypothetical as we are in a desperate fight to stay in the Conference North. Yes the Relegation fight that you would "Prefer" we Lost.

No doubt you will endeavour to continue to intellectualise your rediculous PRO Relegation nonsense even further.

You must feel increasingly lonely in that massive hole your digging.

Read it again Champs ,
Stick to what I put and don't distraught or take it out of context .
Many people on here know that I am a pilgrim fanatic (for 70 years) who can do simple calculations . You should have gathered this recently when I corrected your player goals/appns statistic . I don't want to see the team go down , likewise we aren't ready for promotion until we get a windfall
I don't feel lonely ,  As seen by P86 response a ridiculous budget to go into the CN with .
The other poster who has come on to comment agrees with my thoughts and projections .
Point out where they are unrealistic .
The "spade" is a weak excuse to avoid answering and trying to verify your comments .
Show us your projected figures that gives evidence BUFC have the finance in place to justify CN football .
I suspect you will be unable and revert to hiding behind your "spade" .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 20, 2017, 10:18:00 AM
As seen by P86 response a ridiculous budget to go into the CN with .

No, you misread me. £450 per player for 20 players and you should be finishing in the top 3 or 4 in Conference North.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Ernie100 on November 20, 2017, 11:11:19 AM
I may be wrong, but I thought this thread was about Craig Elliot and not the fiscal capabilities of BUFC sustaining life in the CN.   Leave the budgeting to DN and the Board, they should know how much is in the pot.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 20, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
As seen by P86 response a ridiculous budget to go into the CN with .

No, you misread me. £450 per player for 20 players and you should be finishing in the top 3 or 4 in Conference North.

I think your right P86 .  but the figures in the projection were as stated for the National Conference .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Shrimperpilgrim on November 21, 2017, 12:10:39 AM
Relegation would be a disaster end of!
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 21, 2017, 10:39:33 AM
Relegation would be a disaster end of!

Don't think last time we was relegated turned out to be a disaster , S & H provided us with a winning team , bigger gates and followed up by taking us to play-off place in Con North without any apparent financial set backs .
If the worse does happen I think CE has the credentials to get us back , not the most difficult task he will be confronted with if , as we hope he has a longer term future at Boston . Seeing he has got Shaw Lane into a play-off spot we must be doing something wrong if we can't provide the tools for him to do it here .

I think DN has made an astute appointment here ,  don't let's doubt his judgement and Craig's ability before the new manager gets his teeth into the job .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Pilgrim86 on November 21, 2017, 12:17:32 PM
Don't think last time we was relegated turned out to be a disaster

Really? We almost went down!
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on November 21, 2017, 02:30:22 PM
Don't think last time we was relegated turned out to be a disaster

Really? We almost went down!

Correct P86 , almost , then thankfully went on to have 5 decent seasons out of 8 .

I think as we get older a football "disaster" is rated in a different light .
Disaster to me in footballing terms is ...
Old foes like R&D , Kettering , Darlington etc losing their stadiums ,  and many other basket cases of financial lunacy by clubs like Ilkeston , Northwich etc etc .

Closer to home watching BUFC  ,yes the Pilgrims) of the Boston & District league  concede 16 goals in the FA CUP against Spalding U on a public playing field due to YS being padlocked for a season .

Small businesses (creditors) ruined or put in peril by crazy management decisions of bust clubs .

Turning up at YS on a Sunday morning expecting the demise of BUFC , thankfully a Chestnut turned up to safe the club .

Keith Alexander's early death .




Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on December 17, 2017, 05:31:26 PM
 CE .
  First Proper manager since ??
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: oxo on December 17, 2017, 07:43:13 PM
I feel very confident Craig will be a success, why? because he appears to know exactly what he wants and what is needed not just to stop the rot but move the club forward. I liked the fact that he didn't hesitate to make changes yesterday, not sticking rigidly to pre arranged times for substitutions but doing it when needed. I like the look of the new recruits who look very confident and happy on the ball and look forward to welcoming those that Craig is targeting to complete his own squad. I like the way his team are not accepting defeat when going a goal down, it seems he is instilling in them his ethic of winning at any cost which is exactly what is needed in our present battle. And the fact that he is a Ponty lad just like me is the icing on the cake.  UTP. 
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on December 17, 2017, 08:18:12 PM
I agree with much of that OXO but would question his two loanees from the Championship - Stabana and Curry. I don't think either add anything over and above what we've got and I would prefer to see Yeomans in the starting line up to either of them.

TEP
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: oxo on December 17, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
Agree with that T E P but I am confident if they don't cut it they will be gone as will anyone else who does't cut it.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: father Ted on December 17, 2017, 09:16:16 PM
They are loanees and will probably go .. as CE has signed 2 other defenders .

  One could argue there is now a servicable attack and midfield in place .

   And with improving results on the pitch , I would like to think (probably wrongly) that the purse strings are being relaxed to fix the defence  ::)
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: green hats mate on December 17, 2017, 10:12:40 PM
They are loanees and will probably go .. as CE has signed 2 other defenders .

  One could argue there is now a servicable attack and midfield in place .

   And with improving results on the pitch , I would like to think (probably wrongly) that the purse strings are being relaxed to fix the defence  ::)

I would think its a case of a one in one out process Ted .
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: youngchubby69 on January 08, 2018, 09:44:56 PM
He has been in charge for over a month now, so what do you think is his winning formula.
Be interesting to know what you all think, but it has been a remarkable turn around, in such a short time.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on January 08, 2018, 10:53:00 PM
He's recruited some better players and has a better backroom team. As a management team they appear to command respect and they have the ability to get the best out of the players.

Murray talked a great fight but delivered very little. Elliott doesn't say as much but let's his team do all the talking.

I dont think there's any magic formula. Some managers just have it.

TEP


Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: The Third Twin on January 08, 2018, 11:09:11 PM
The teams he's managed play(ed) winning football. His judgement of players seems very astute. He has brought workers and a unity to the team. There's no falling out on the field, and no giving up. As said, the results are doing the talking. He's stepped up to the level and the future under him looks very positive.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: danboston on January 17, 2018, 09:55:27 PM

With him, Boston is getting back on track: good choice by the board.  :angel:
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: Crazy Neil on January 18, 2018, 04:58:42 PM
Reading his interview in the Standard he sounds like a man with a plan and one who keeps it simple. AM was ok to begin with but then the philosophy came in and to me he confused the players. CE concentrates on US not the opposition too much, if we play to our strengths we can beat anyone (as it showed v York. Football (A) Net (B)  A goes into B as many times as you like, simple maths :D

Like the way he is quick to praise the players too rather than make it all about him. All in all a good interview and we have a man with a plan and I can see a couple more players arriving shortly with him sending three out on loan this week.
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: lonegunman on January 18, 2018, 06:06:01 PM
He has been in charge for over a month now, so what do you think is his winning formula.
Be interesting to know what you all think, but it has been a remarkable turn around, in such a short time.

Man management and letting everyone know who is  boss, I believe it's as simple as that.
Different league I know and far better players true, but look how AF at Man U kept order.
I bet he ruled with a rod of iron, if they didn't like it, off you go!!
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: chris b on March 25, 2018, 06:38:37 PM
Shaw Lane sacked Elliott's replacement after their loss to Nantwich yesterday. It’s obviously not that easy managing on a massive budget!
Title: Re: Craig Elliot
Post by: The Third Twin on March 25, 2018, 09:44:27 PM
Shaw Lane sacked Elliott's replacement after their loss to Nantwich yesterday. It’s obviously not that easy managing on a massive budget!
4 straight defeats and heading out of their playoffs