Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: howmanynames2pick on October 17, 2017, 11:16:34 PM
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Sad to lose .
But.....
I was entertained. .which is a first...
Their keeper pulled off at least one worldy save and the no 7 was brilliant.
Good effort...just not quite enough but improvement
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Couldn't be there, but it did sound like a good game and it shows that with attacking positive play that we can be a threat in front of goal. While this result hurts, especially on knowing who the next round threw up we now have to take the positives into these upcoming league games and get some well needed points on the board. We can be proud of the team tonight, they have shown that they can be creative so onwards we march. Big games coming up now !
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Full on fa cup tie, yes hmn2p it was very entertaining. That save from kabby 94th min was world class. Their no 7 was one of the best players I've seen at this level, u won't c a better hat trick than that. The sending off changed the game, sadly in their favour. Hope we can kick on from this in the league.
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I fail to see how anyone can call for AM to be sacked after tonight's game. Every player gave everything they had but we were beaten by some wonder strikes. At 1-0 Kabbo had a chance to pass to Hawley but flashed his shot wide of the post, they went straight up the other end and equalized. The ref was crap again, number 8 deliberately elbowed and it was obvious the ref saw it as he called the player over so why no card? Number 8 then committed four more fouls and did not see a card. Vinno pushed over in the box in last few seconds but a goal kick given. Unbelievable Jeff. At the end, we had no option but to pass back to George to try and draw them out as they had 10 behind the ball but it did not work yet still we got corners. Cannot fault anyone tonight apart from the muppets calling for AM to be sacked. Were they even there??
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Sad to lose .
But.....
I was entertained. .which is a first...
Their keeper pulled off at least one worldy save and the no 7 was brilliant.
Good effort...just not quite enough but improvement
agreed, at least we had a bloody go at it. I saw some passion and effort, which has been lacking. Their #7 ran the second half for them, yet, ironically he's a Fleetwood loanee, and probably won't play in the next round. I have to make mention of our senior players, Maguire and Hawley. Maguire left nothing back, and gave absolutely everything tonight, and Karl Hawley's ability to bring others around him into play in dangerous places gave us much more shape up front. Shame about the result, but a damn good game in my book. Unlike Crazy Neill, i thought the ref did a decent job at letting lots of the stupid niggly stuff go. He could have spent all night whistling, yet didn't, but he did take decisive action when he had to. I'm not saying he was perfect, but Mr Massey-Ellis (for example) could learn plenty from him.
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Not a one in fact the support for AM was clear to see and hear.
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I sadly could not be there, but I wished I was.
Unlucky lads, but they have done us proud.
Adam should not go, but lots to do yet.
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Not a one in fact the support for AM was clear to see and hear.
Guess you haven't been on the Facebook page then? They were posting AM out within 5 minutes of the final whistle. usual suspects plus a lot of newbies, think a few aliases have been formed.
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Fishtoft Crew I think they are having a wind up!!!
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We were a clear second best all night. Chorley played all the football, us on the other hand hoofed it and hoped someone would be on the end of it.
I'd like Adam to tell us how Chorley, who looked the poorest side to visit us a couple of months ago, can improve so dramatically and yet we regress in the same time.
I'm really concerned for the future going forward, I've been really supportive of the management but last night I despaired, it was big boot and no thought, horrible to watch and I may well not bother for a few games, I think DN has a big decision to make but if we're not careful we'll be this seasons Altrincham and find ourselves in the HFS Loans League next season.
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Whilst I agree with points made about the effort we gave 100% and the players are clearly still playing for Murray. The gulf in quality was there to see last night! Boston's only way forward was punt down the line or hoof, this told when they went down to 10 men as they kept the ball better!
What we saw in Chorley was a really well coached side, everyone knew there jobs and there was a game plan. You could tell each player knew their role from the deep midfielder who gets the ball off the defenders, to the wide men who knew when to go forward at the right times to the forwards making intelligent runs!
I am not calling for AM to be sacked, but let's not gloss over the fact that we lack quality and an identity other than long ball! I do worry for the rest of the season because hard work will only take you so far. As for AM saying that this team will climb up the table, I hope he realises last night that we are way off that!
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I hadn’t been since early season and have to say it was an improvement. We showed passion and commitment and caused them plenty of problems. The irony is that 3 of the 4 goals scored and 3 fantastic saves were made by Fleetwood players and that was really the difference. How many National North players would have that quality? .I’ve been negative about things but I have to say if we play like we did last night we will climb the table.
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If this lad had been better handled it might have different...
It's a long time since a player so stood out from the crowd.
https://youtu.be/lxm4XGvtu1I
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The only way is down. Yes they gave 110% but I'm afraid to say this team is no better than last season. Luckily AM hasn't suffered too many injuries yet. If Chapman is the best midfielder in the league then the 7 is the the best in the world. We gave them too much time to pass the ball on a perfect pitch. Why don't we use the quality pitch to play football?
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Why don't we use the quality pitch to play football?
Because we're not good enough to use it?
I'm sat here this morning absolutely pi$$ed off with that last night, I don't buy all the stuff about passion, fact is we were out footballed by a team no bigger or better than us who came into the game with a plan. Our plan was hoof it and hope and frankly its just not good enough from a full time manager and a bench full of support staff. No doubt it'll be the same garbage on Saturday at Curzon and another bunch of clichéd excuses.
Fact is its all wearing thin now, results must change or personnel must change.
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We were a clear second best all night. Chorley played all the football, us on the other hand hoofed it and hoped someone would be on the end of it.
I'd like Adam to tell us how Chorley, who looked the poorest side to visit us a couple of months ago, can improve so dramatically and yet we regress in the same time.
I'm really concerned for the future going forward, I've been really supportive of the management but last night I despaired, it was big boot and no thought, horrible to watch and I may well not bother for a few games, I think DN has a big decision to make but if we're not careful we'll be this seasons Altrincham and find ourselves in the HFS Loans League next season.
I have to agree with you, the style of play even though I have not been able to attend games looks dreadful on the highlights and other fans are echoing the same sentiments. The manager is solely to blame for tactics and signings. But what has gone wrong ? I remember your words when he signed where you stated that we have a good up and coming manager after a harsh sacking, and that he has good contacts in the right areas and is the type to go out on a cold February night to check out a player. Like I say, what has gone wrong ? I know you touted him as a breath of fresh air after the stale excuses trotted out by the previous manager but during our very poor run on league results Murray does seem like a broken record now ! I am sure you'll agree, we have to pick up some wins over the next three games otherwise the managers job will be under threat. As you know, I supported Greene and I've supported Murray since he came in but can I see this expected professionalism and improvement .... mmmm, results so far in the league leave a lot to be desired. He talks a good game, but for me, results is all that matters. We can be proud of last night as it proved we do have goals in us, but a huge step forward is still needed in the league. Hopefully that starts this weekend !
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First off you need to get the idea out of your head Greene was harshly treated, he wasn't, he had to go, there's a lot more to that than we'll ever know about.
Other than that I agree with you, AM is like a broken record now, the same lazy excuses for players that are either not upto the job or not performing for him. He has to turn it round before mid November or we'll be looking at relegation.
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First off you need to get the idea out of your head Greene was harshly treated, he wasn't, he had to go, there's a lot more to that than we'll ever know about.
I've not mentioned about Greenes treatment ? I've moved on from all of that as soon as Murray came into the job. I wish too some fans would move on from giving me grief for what....supporting the previous rightly or wrongly. As I say, I've equally supported both during their reins. But you can only keep supporting to a certain point, if you remember I called for the previous manager to go several games before he did, and at the moment I am sitting on the fence over Murray until we see what the next crucial few games bring. I'm all for giving people a chance, but inevitably it is the results that count.
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I think because AM is a nice guy he's been given a relatively easy ride by the support, but that patience will be tested if things don't pick up and quickly. The next game at Curzon and the two home games in a week could be pivotal.
DN will support him, of that I'm sure, but the quality of football coupled with poor results is a lethal combination. I hope for AM's sake he gets some points on the board quickly.
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Why don't we use the quality pitch to play football?
Because AM is a long-ball manager. The football is boring, mostly.
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What I can’t understand is why AM insisted on having a perfect surface as opposed to the uneven playing surface. If as people are saying he is mostly a long ball merchant then the pitch should have been left and money put into the squad instead. If we had been playing on last seasons surface last night, we probably IMO would be playing Fleetwood in a couple of weeks time
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Disappointing but predictable result .
I guess it feels like the play offs v Ferriby and Fylde .
I would still tell Ruby 3 points in next 2 . . or . .
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The long ball tactic was not a bad option really, we had pace upfront against tall defenders who cannot turn quickly, hence Kabbi's goal, they lost him as they did a three-point turn. When they went down to 10 and took the lead they parked the bus, we had no option but to pass back to George and try to bring them forward so we could utilize the space behind. I am not a fan of the long ball but as a backup tactic it can be useful but looking back on the game I cannot recall many passes to Jay and he was basically wasted. Not moaning at AM tactics as they worked in the first half a lot of the time but when we brought the faster players on (Jay and Vinno) we had to use them more.
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First off you need to get the idea out of your head Greene was harshly treated, he wasn't, he had to go, there's a lot more to that than we'll ever know about.
I've not mentioned about Greenes treatment ? I've moved on from all of that as soon as Murray came into the job. I wish too some fans would move on from giving me grief for what....supporting the previous rightly or wrongly. As I say, I've equally supported both during their reins. But you can only keep supporting to a certain point, if you remember I called for the previous manager to go several games before he did, and at the moment I am sitting on the fence over Murray until we see what the next crucial few games bring. I'm all for giving people a chance, but inevitably it is the results that count.
First and foremost a thank you to both sets of players for a great nights entertainment every player on the pitch showing 100% commitment , also Chestnuts for promoting the game at reduced prices , great value for £7. Sadly listening fans comments leaving the match they were of the same opinion as me , no quality in the team .
Now from time to time I have a little difference of opinion with Andy (NF) on here but his and LBDR comments regarding on pitch matters are an accurate reflection on our position .
In the last 11 games against C North opposition we have only won 1 game , that was to rock bottom NFU , our last point was at home with against a Darlington side in freefall .
Like LB I would like to request Andys opinion on what went wrong with the so called Knobhead Armies plan .
As I recall it was loudly voiced that bringing in a new manager would improve the team to better standard and improve gates . where has it all gone wrong Andy ? Where did you for see the club would stand today ?
Credit due to Andy he has maintained coming on patter and standing his corner , we now never hear from the aggressive abusive posters that represented the same opinion as Andy , probably too busy eating huge portions of humble pie .
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I think because AM is a nice guy he's been given a relatively easy ride by the support, but that patience will be tested if things don't pick up and quickly. The next game at Curzon and the two home games in a week could be pivotal.
DN will support him, of that I'm sure, but the quality of football coupled with poor results is a lethal combination. I hope for AM's sake he gets some points on the board quickly.
I think some are overestimating the quality of last nights performance and like Andy I think he will have to prove himself over the next three games . Dare I say it ? Gainsborough have left us standing in the FA Cup stakes , if we only get a 3/4 point return on the above games we may well be second bottom of the league , if fact lose at Curzon and we may be sitting in a relegation Saturday night , it's that close .
The gate at the Brackley match may well be an indicator as to how tenable the managers position is .
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Pete, if you think I'm going to apologize or back down on my opinions on Greene then you're going to be disappointed! He'd run his course here and the fact he's still not employed nearly a year on from leaving us tells you a lot about how he's perceived in football.
However I think Adam has proved that once again appointing a manager with FL pedigree (Tommy Taylor, Peter Morris, George Kerr) into a non league environment isn't the way to go. If you look at the (relatively) successful managers down here all have had a non league background (Evans, S&H, Fee, Greene) and I think that when the inevitable parting of the ways happens Dave will have to look down the pyramid and hope to find another guy who wants to prove himself. Who that might be is a question for others to answer.
Adam is a nice guy and a scholar of the game, but his ideas simply aren't working. I'll hold my hands up when he goes and say I backed the wrong horse. Its a real shame, he's obviously a guy with great focus and professionalism but him and Boston are just not working. I hope he turns it round in the next few weeks but I can't see for the life of me where its going to happen with this current squad.
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Greene brought all the trouble on himself. I was with N40 at Skeggy after the Bradford away game. Like N40 I was very disappointed with DG comments regarding our loyal away supporters.
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I still don't know what brought all that on, was it something to do with team selection or a shortage of players?
Another reason not to get too close to the employee's of the club on social media. I've only just found Twitter but its just for cricket and football updates and a few friends, I'd never follow a BUFC player or manager, its not what I'm after.
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Why don't we use the quality pitch to play football?
Because AM is a long-ball manager. The football is boring, mostly.
As I mentioned recently, what we could do with ideally is someone who could get our team playing in the style of that of Greene's or Scotty and Hurst's team's combined with the off field professionalism of Murray. Some of the best matches I have ever witnessed were under the guidance of the aforementioned managers. I like others on here like to see wing play and feeding our strikers from the wide positions rather than the route one style which always gives me neck ache! I think it's time we all buried the 'Greene did this or did that' debate, it's doing nothing for fan's harmony and grouping as one. We all have differing opinions of everything in life, football just been one of them.
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Can someone enlighten me as to what that off field professionalism of AM is bringing to the team? Is it good passing football? Smart recruitment of players or Good game management?
All I see is a rigid predictability of long ball stuff. Teams know exactly what they are up against even before they play us. The commitment could not be faulted last night but that wasn't enough to save alty or sbridge last season. He's got to get some more quality into midfield before as many have said it will be be 2 late & we will be joining ferribye.
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Why don't we use the quality pitch to play football?
Because we're not good enough to use it?
I'm sat here this morning absolutely pi$$ed off with that last night, I don't buy all the stuff about passion, fact is we were out footballed by a team no bigger or better than us who came into the game with a plan. Our plan was hoof it and hope and frankly its just not good enough from a full time manager and a bench full of support staff. No doubt it'll be the same garbage on Saturday at Curzon and another bunch of clichéd excuses.
Fact is its all wearing thin now, results must change or personnel must change.
Sorry you wanted change last season and that hasn't worked, so we change again to what??
I am sorry Andy but you call for change,but give us no explanation to what and who would bring in to replace the current management and team.
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Pete, if you think I'm going to apologize or back down on my opinions on Greene then you're going to be disappointed! He'd run his course here and the fact he's still not employed nearly a year on from leaving us tells you a lot about how he's perceived in football.
However I think Adam has proved that once again appointing a manager with FL pedigree (Tommy Taylor, Peter Morris, George Kerr) into a non league environment isn't the way to go. If you look at the (relatively) successful managers down here all have had a non league background (Evans, S&H, Fee, Greene) and I think that when the inevitable parting of the ways happens Dave will have to look down the pyramid and hope to find another guy who wants to prove himself. Who that might be is a question for others to answer.
Adam is a nice guy and a scholar of the game, but his ideas simply aren't working. I'll hold my hands up when he goes and say I backed the wrong horse. Its a real shame, he's obviously a guy with great focus and professionalism but him and Boston are just not working. I hope he turns it round in the next few weeks but I can't see for the life of me where its going to happen with this current squad.
Never asked you to apologise Andy , what I was interested in is what level of achievement was expected of the new manager .
I can,t get involved with immature petty squabbling on social media and his non football antics .
Managing a group of young men is not the job for nice guys in my experience . Look at our most successful managers you've listed above , Evans , Scotty and Green, don't think we can list them under nice guys .
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The answer sat in the stands last night, DF.
Now let's now move on.
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So last night we were beaten by a Full time team, with more money than us, fielding two league one player's, one scored a hatrick, and the other made some world class saves.
We played hood long ball football but managed to score 3 goals!!
We have improved, but we still lost, Trinity went to Harrogate and won at the weekend, they are improving for me Jarman looked finished last season but DF has turned him around and has put some money in the bank.
They probably have one of the smallest budgets in the league.
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One more thing, why is Willis letting in shots in from outside of the 18yard box, this is becoming a worrying and frequent occurrence.
FFS you tell me he can't see them coming, if not we don't stand a chance.
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Still staggered that there has been no "Club Statement" today, as I think a lot of us expected, now we are out of The Cup, albeit a good contest last night. Not wishing to deprive anyone of a salary, but I simply cannot see what else Mr Murray can achieve here. However, I am sure he is a character who can succeed elsewhere.
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Can someone enlighten me as to what that off field professionalism of AM is bringing to the team? Is it good passing football? Smart recruitment of players or Good game management?
Keeping off social media platforms such as Facebook or Twitter, this was proved to lead to very awkward verbal confrontations which just escalated. In the old days, things were said face to face and I strongly believe that many things which get said on social media get misinterpreted etc whereas face to face one can always question the other immediately to clarify and clear up and misunderstandings. I'm not going to go down the route of discussing the past, but your question is answered as to what Murray is doing right. That alone though doesn't bring us success !
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So those people calling for change- change to who?
Murray goes so someone put in charge on a caretaker basis =instabilty as he can't really change anything whilst recruitment takes place. New manager then needs time to get to know players =instability trying out different formations. New manager then decides who's not good enough and brings players in ( if there are any better out there! ) =more instability. For want of a cliche ( or 2) "Rome wasn't built in a day" "you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette".
Everyone gave their all last night and the Town end responded. We need more of that in the weeks ahead so lets get behind them and give them our support.
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Don't think Chorley are full time. And doubt their wage bill is bigger
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One more thing, why is Willis letting in shots in from outside of the 18yard box, this is becoming a worrying and frequent occurrence.
FFS you tell me he can't see them coming, if not we don't stand a chance.
He made an absolutely stupendous save early on, getting fingertips to a shot I thought was easily going to hit the net.
He's not going to be perfect... it's why he's playing for us, and not any higher.
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Can someone enlighten me as to what that off field professionalism of AM is bringing to the team? Is it good passing football? Smart recruitment of players or Good game management?
Keeping off social media platforms such as Facebook or Twitter, this was proved to lead to very awkward verbal confrontations which just escalated. In the old days, things were said face to face and I strongly believe that many things which get said on social media get misinterpreted etc whereas face to face one can always question the other immediately to clarify and clear up and misunderstandings. I'm not going to go down the route of discussing the past, but your question is answered as to what Murray is doing right. That alone though doesn't bring us success !
That should be a given for any manager at any level. I was referring to current progress on the pitch not the off field behaviour of Dennis Greene
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So those people calling for change- change to who?
Murray goes so someone put in charge on a caretaker basis =instabilty as he can't really change anything whilst recruitment takes place. New manager then needs time to get to know players =instability trying out different formations. New manager then decides who's not good enough and brings players in ( if there are any better out there! ) =more instability. For want of a cliche ( or 2) "Rome wasn't built in a day" "you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelette".
Everyone gave their all last night and the Town end responded. We need more of that in the weeks ahead so lets get behind them and give them our support.
Why does Murray feel the need to have so many non players in the dugout? If the results were good then it wouldn't matter but surely they are being paid so what do they all do?
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Just seen a tweet from a Chorley fan which suggests that the away supporters bus was damaged by Boston fans after the game. Says a window was smashed. Any truth? If so, hope the club identify the perpetrators and ban them for life.
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Just seen a tweet from a Chorley fan which suggests that the away supporters bus was damaged by Boston fans after the game. Says a window was smashed. Any truth? If so, hope the club identify the perpetrators and ban them for life.
when I walked past, it was parked on York St still waiting for their fans, no obvious damage, and one of our stewards talking to the driver quite happily.
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I think the club is suggesting that it happened as the bus was leaving the town.
Yes the perpetrators should be banned for life.
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If it happened in the town, surely it becomes a police matter...