Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: green hats mate on September 10, 2017, 02:46:35 PM
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Although they have only won one game at home this season they should not be underestimated . At the moment they have clawed their way into the top half of the table .
Midway through last season they had already been deemed certain for relegation . In late September they brought in Mark Bower as manager . Bower had just been sacked by Guiseley for poor results , at Guiseley in 150+ matches his win record was 42.5 % , yes I know , that's the sort of figure we only dream of .
Bower dragged them up to one place below us by the end of the season , this season the improvement continues and they could be a good bet for climbing into the play-offs .
Got to show a big improvement to win this one , but win it we must to begin to edge toward a play-off spot .
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Not missing a trick GHM .
I would wish a midfield or defensive loan in by Tues midday ,and maybe one out .
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Silent thinking ???
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Not missing a trick GHM .
I would wish a midfield or defensive loan in by Tues midday ,and maybe one out .
That will be too late for Mondays match Ted !!
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Hmm maybe
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Fantastic GHM I fully support that post, well said.
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Looking forward to tonights game, cant wait for all the changes, but to be honest I am dreading it.
I do try and be positive but we do need to try something different in midfield the time has come for change and it must start tonight.
I feel Adam is now walking the tightrope, prior to the last match the results have probably saved his job, but we all know that Newton sacks who he wants.
if it all goes wrong tonight, dont be surprised if you see Bunny at the helm for Saturdays FA CUP game, the only downside to that is the money the club will have to shed out to terminate his contract.
If we do need another manager in a couple weeks time, we need to not rush in to it and probably make approaches instead of waiting for the CV,s to roll in, a bit of head hunting is required, not emplyoing the rolled heads.
Been a terribble weekend for me, and have been on a tightrope myself and fell off it I am afraid, so I am sorry for any offence caused through my postings, especialy GHM.
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Looking forward to tonights game, cant wait for all the changes, but to be honest I am dreading it.
I do try and be positive but we do need to try something different in midfield the time has come for change and it must start tonight.
I feel Adam is now walking the tightrope, prior to the last match the results have probably saved his job, but we all know that Newton sacks who he wants.
if it all goes wrong tonight, dont be surprised if you see Bunny at the helm for Saturdays FA CUP game, the only downside to that is the money the club will have to shed out to terminate his contract.
If we do need another manager in a couple weeks time, we need to not rush in to it and probably make approaches instead of waiting for the CV,s to roll in, a bit of head hunting is required, not emplyoing the rolled heads.
Been a terribble weekend for me, and have been on a tightrope myself and fell off it I am afraid, so I am sorry for any offence caused through my postings, especialy GHM.
I promise a positive and constructive post after the BPA match chubby .
No offence caused to me , many posters disagree with my comments but the only ones that offend me are those that direct vitriol at managers and players .
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Many Thanks GHM are you going tonight, if so have a safe journey and I hope the match gives you something to be positive about.
The one common thing on here is everyones frustration at this teams position at the moment, you can sense it nearly in everyones posts.
In all the years that I have been supporting this club,I have never been so confused over tactics and players, yes I know the budget is not the size of Salford and others, but surley its bigger than most clubs.
If Adam is here to deliver a long term project and get this club League ready, why dosent the chairman say so, that would at least give some kind of insight as to what lies ahead for the future.
I would imagine when the New Stadium is built and the Qaudrant homes are being sold more funds will be available to invest in the team, but I wish DN would say so, it would at least give us something to get behind and support it.
We are rapidly heading in to winter and DN said the new stadium would start to be built this year, but I dont see that happening due to the restrictions that the winter months brings to the construction industry, perhaps I am wrong about that and someone else could shed more light on it.
When I have asked DN about this he just says everything is moving along nicely, how nicely who knows?? He also said that funds would have to be raised, but nothing else has been confirmed as to how this is going to happen, the only person so far who is doing something is OXO bless his heart, but we need more updates to settle the nerves and to give us something to support.
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Maybe my reply #1 will stand ::)
Pitch inspection .
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Is it raining in Bradford Ted
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There's something on Twitter@bostonunited YC .
Hope you're feeling better :)
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Yes thanks Ted, been a lot of family problems of late.
You know you can pick your friends not your family.
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MATCH ON .
PITCH PASSED INSPECTION.
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Good
Still time for a loan in to be announced :P
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How much do you want Ted?
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Is that a loan out or in Ted.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/livesportsfm/status/906882705660502016
Live commentary of tonights game
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Thanks YC :angel: surely at least a draw to nite .
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Oh Ted let's hope so, things have to change quick.
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I think Montalbano is playing his best team over 90 mins ..with Hawley starting .
Bradford commentators say Boston shi(r)t stripe looks like a seatbelt .
Bring back the proper stripes .
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1 nil up :)
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1-1
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Chapman subbed ! 75m 1-2
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Chapman subbed ! 75m 1-2
Wonder if he will be "saved" for our Big FA cup game or "rested"
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Chapman subbed ! 75m 1-2
Shouldn't that read "2-1" ?
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My mistake sorry .
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Another loss, and I don't call that a positive reaction.
Murray cant lift them at all, sorry he now must resign.
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Yet another defeat with the radio commentator saying a very poor game.
Nothing new there then😉
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Didn't go to the game and have been told off about being negative but where do we go now?
Just cant see where we go from here but something needs to change and quick, dont really regard anything changing player wise today compared to saturday?
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It's time the excuses stopped, nobody can surely keep defending this mediocre team and manager. It's embarrassing, points mean everything its no good snatching at little bits of 'positives'. We are good for one thing though at the moment, the trap door !
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Look on the bright side, we will still be playing Gainsboring and The National Farmers Union next year when we all get relegated
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It's time the excuses stopped, nobody can surely keep defending this mediocre team and manager. It's embarrassing, points mean everything its no good snatching at little bits of 'positives'. We are good for one thing though at the moment, the trap door !
As much as I would like to say otherwise, you are right and surely the decision must be made tonight and Adam must be released from his torment.
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Won there 2 nil last season with the players everyone keeps saying weren't good enough
At least they were cheap cos this lot aren't
Team that day was
Boston (4-3-3): Ross Durrant; Kalern Thomas, Nat Brown, Tom Batchelor, Ben Gordon; Charlie Gatter (Marcus Marshall 58), Joe Fitzpatrick, Shane Clarke; Jay Rollins, Richard Brodie (Karl Hawley 75), Alex Simmons (Callum Chippendale 60). Subs (not used): Lewis Hilliard, Joe Maguire.
So there can be no disputing this is Murrays team now can there?
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We are going to be in a relegation battle me thinks. The time for talking is over, big game on Saturday for AM.
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It's time the excuses stopped, nobody can surely keep defending this mediocre team and manager. It's embarrassing, points mean everything its no good snatching at little bits of 'positives'. We are good for one thing though at the moment, the trap door !
As much as I would like to say otherwise, you are right and surely the decision must be made tonight and Adam must be released from his torment.
Wish i could say different, wish i could be praising them each week. But results don't lie. I love this club, and this is why we are so passionate no matter which side of the fence we sit on issues. But my view is we are worse now than the beginning of last season when so many were shouting out. How much more time do we give ? All the hype by some that Murray will get things right when he signs HIS team, well he has signed them, so these failures are his to shoulder.
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We are going to be in a relegation battle me thinks. The time for talking is over, big game on Saturday for AM.
We knew we would be in a relegation battle before pre season. Not sure why BUFC fans think their team should be play-off material.
This league, probably more than any other, is divided by the haves, and the have nots.
Seven teams are full time, and six or seven of the others are paying full time wages to some of their players. Kidderminster have paid £75k for a player (and wages to match) and Salf*rd offered £200k for a striker - loose change to the ex Manure players, but more than our entire annual budget.
We are in a league of about six teams (NFU, Leamington, Telford, Curzon, and I originally predicted BPA, but now it's FCUM) trying to stay in the division - BUFC could get drawn into this, but I expect them to be in the next group of lower mid table anonymity
The division above is not the promised land, but seemingly the path to potential obscurity - of which some teams are struggling to recover
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If any of you go on the BUFC Facebook page, you must read the comment from Andy Butler,its as two faced as it comes.
After all the crap he have Dennis last season, I just can't get over his post.
So his attack on Dennis was purely personal and not for the club.
The reply he got from one poster is spot on.
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After listening to many of AM post match interviews and the Adam Chapman post match interview on Saturday I would like to extend an invitation to AM to come and join us in the real world .
Adam this is BUFC in the 6th step of English football , not Barcelona on the Champions league circuit . The chairman has spoilt you by giving you the toys you demanded i.e Gps , video equipment , sprinklers , vastly improved pitch , tents and tent pegs etc . All you have given him in return is dross.
Instead of trying to improve non-league players with technical stuff that only top class full time players benefit from , apply same training methods as successful non-league managers do .
Certainly if the chairman retains your services he should confiscate your technical toys and demand you commence conventional training methods .
The good news is on Saturday we have the return of Gregg Smith an exponent of the art of non-league football.
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Bloody right GHM the reaction was no reaction still a loss.
They should have battered Bradford tonight after Saturday.
Same thing again poor defending.
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I have said it before - where is the evidence that AM is a good coach.
Results don't lie - at Mansfield and now at BUFC they are even worse.
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Disappointing result....i can't say whether we were unlucky or similar as I wasn't there.
Nice to have taken the lead..shame to concede virtually straight away...
Shame Batchelor went?? Various views on this.
The Facebook warriors are calling for AMs head....as they did for DG last year....
We definitely need a good result on Saturday to calm the nerves.
I believe DG tweeted something like "you won't get anywhere with those players"
So far he has been proved right
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I have said it before - where is the evidence that AM is a good coach.
Results don't lie - at Mansfield and now at BUFC they are even worse.
Well if he is a good coach as some claim the results just go to show what utter dross he has signed .
Win rate this season now below 30% . poor even by his standards .
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Now this is just a suggestion, but with saturday being a cup match and all that why dont they take a leaf out of a few other clubs in the league and let kids get in free with a paying adult, fill the house up and give em some much needed support, it should increase the crowd surely, and give.them the best chance possible of winning on saturday
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Now this is just a suggestion, but with saturday being a cup match and all that why dont they take a leaf out of a few other clubs in the league and let kids get in free with a paying adult, fill the house up and give em some much needed support, it should increase the crowd surely, and give.them the best chance possible of winning on saturday
Don't think this would be permitted by the FA , Gate is split three ways (home and away teams and the FA)
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How do other.clubs manage it i.e. Spennymore?
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We are going to be in a relegation battle me thinks. The time for talking is over, big game on Saturday for AM.
We knew we would be in a relegation battle before pre season. Not sure why BUFC fans think their team should be play-off material.
This league, probably more than any other, is divided by the haves, and the have nots.
Seven teams are full time, and six or seven of the others are paying full time wages to some of their players. Kidderminster have paid £75k for a player (and wages to match) and Salf*rd offered £200k for a striker - loose change to the ex Manure players, but more than our entire annual budget.
We are in a league of about six teams (NFU, Leamington, Telford, Curzon, and I originally predicted BPA, but now it's FCUM) trying to stay in the division - BUFC could get drawn into this, but I expect them to be in the next group of lower mid table anonymity
The division above is not the promised land, but seemingly the path to potential obscurity - of which some teams are struggling to recover
Well said Steeli
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Big game on Saturday! Let's all go to Dereham and support local lads who give 110% every week for a few quid!
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If any of you go on the BUFC Facebook page, you must read the comment from Andy Butler,its as two faced as it comes.
After all the crap he have Dennis last season, I just can't get over his post.
So his attack on Dennis was purely personal and not for the club.
The reply he got from one poster is spot on.
I like to think I'm a friend of Andy but you are absolutely right ,
Many warned that things may not be better with a change of management .
As no footballing reasons appeared to be explained for the demand of his dismissal, your personal theory
appears to be justified .
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Will the prices be dropped for Saturday???
As I'm not paying full price and I feel others will stay away too.
Think it's worth a journey to watch town play in the cup.
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My lad and I are making the journey to Dereham on Saturday to watch town, saw them in the previous round and was impressed with their passion and commitment, good set of lads who I think deserve a bit of vocal support, will make a change from the town end plus a new ground to tick off.
We Are Boston
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Looks like the management team need to work some magic with loan players. Must be some good players at football league level that we can borrow on the cheap.
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Another poor result. Saturday's cup match should now be a welcome distraction, get a win to boost confidences.
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Could Saturday be Adam Murrays Fergie moment?
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Saturday is largely irrelevant. Expect a win and clean sheet. Only issue I can see is conceding early which will bring nerves
Players are under lots of pressure from the sideline. Manager shouts instructions almost all the time. Maybe leaving them alone to get on with it might help
Clearly though, he doesn't know his best team. Chopping and changing makes it hard for lads to form partnerships
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Just listened to AM in post match interview , same old stuff. Again talking the talk and his comments only go and annoy those that scrutinise then .
The "young lads " bit is used again as an excuse , really he should be reminded to be more careful with his comments . In our last two play off teams where made up mainly of teenagers and under 21 players ,I think Scott Garner was the "old man "of the team in his mid twenties .Last nights team contained 5 players over that age . Maybe too many old players in the team would have been more appropriate excuse last night .
He expressed relief that the midweek games had come to an end giving him more time on the training ground to get things sorted , doesn't he realise other teams with completely new set of players and have had midweek games have got their teams firing , it's been a level playing field Adam.
Complained for all the second half of last season his hands were tied due to the sub standard players he inherited , now he's got his own signings to work with he admits their not good enough , no excuse Adam you signed them . Along with the number of players he signed last season and shortly after discarded , and the poor quality players already signed this season, if DN retains his services I would put a ban on new signings , Would they be any better than the lot we have ? I doubt it.
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Yes GHM I agree, other teams including the one we lost too last right, had a poor season last term, and have had to rebuild their team, but BPA are doing much better than us.
Yam Yeoman's looked thoroughly depressed about the whole situation, it clearly sounds like the changing room is divided and that just spells disaster full stop.
If Adam has any real man management skills he will have to use them quick, a divided team,is like a divided workforce, not efficient and non productive.
Always ending in the demise of the manager.
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Now this is just a suggestion, but with saturday being a cup match and all that why dont they take a leaf out of a few other clubs in the league and let kids get in free with a paying adult, fill the house up and give em some much needed support, it should increase the crowd surely, and give.them the best chance possible of winning on saturday
Kids get in free to every league game at Kings Lynn, but I agree with GHM I don't think it's allowed in the FA Cup, I think the FA set the gate price.
Maybe wrong though.
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Saturday is largely irrelevant. Expect a win and clean sheet. Only issue I can see is conceding early which will bring nerves
Spot on with that! Saturday after a win ( it bloody well should be a win ) i expect to see some pro Murray fans saying he's got things right but in reality, and addressing the true balance, i think we can only judge any improvement when we play teams from our level as that is the level we need to make progress at to make our way safely up the league table. The FA Cup is a welcome sidetrack from our recent dismal displays, if we win it by a few clear goals it could be the boost we need. But dare i say it, should we lose, that should be the end of the manager ? I cannot see how he would be able to stay if we did lose to a team from such a lower level. So while you state that Saturday is largely irrelevant, in many ways it should be as I've explained. But given our current form it could turn out to be an embarrassment and thus highly relevant to our immediate future.
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The admission prices have to be mutually agreed between the two clubs immediately after the draw has been made, with the home club submitting a match arrangement form containing the details to the FA (via MOAS this season).
Therefore, the admission prices for your game on Saturday and for any potential replay will almost certainly have already been agreed and submitted to the FA.
The FA stipulate a minimum adult admission price per round, which is £5 for the second qualifying round, but a higher cost can be charged if both clubs mutually agree.
It is up to the two clubs to mutually agree the admission price for children and senior citizens. I have known clubs to agree allow children in free under circumstances with no problems. e.g. when we played Hinckley in an earlier round it was agreed that children aged 10 and under were admitted free of charge if accompanied by an adult.
At this stage of the competition any profit from the gate receipts are shared equally between the two clubs, the FA do not take any.
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The admission prices have to be mutually agreed between the two clubs immediately after the draw has been made, with the home club submitting a match arrangement form containing the details to the FA (via MOAS this season).
Therefore, the admission prices for your game on Saturday and for any potential replay will almost certainly have already been agreed and submitted to the FA.
The FA stipulate a minimum adult admission price per round, which is £5 for the second qualifying round, but a higher cost can be charged if both clubs mutually agree.
It is up to the two clubs to mutually agree the admission price for children and senior citizens. I have known clubs to agree allow children in free under circumstances with no problems. e.g. when we played Hinckley in an earlier round it was agreed that children aged 10 and under were admitted free of charge if accompanied by an adult.
At this stage of the competition any profit from the gate receipts are shared equally between the two clubs, the FA do not take any.
Then I really hope someone from the Club reads this forum and does it for the best of the Club. I'll admit, I'm biased and have 2 young lads, crazy about Football, and it would be a no brainer for me to come if they were free - Honestly what harm can it do - they are Boston's future and surely it would encourage other parents who otherwise wouldn't come the chance to support the club, and it's support that we so dearly need at the moment.
Come on BUFC, encourage the kids and get more people down there.
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Now this is just a suggestion, but with saturday being a cup match and all that why dont they take a leaf out of a few other clubs in the league and let kids get in free with a paying adult, fill the house up and give em some much needed support, it should increase the crowd surely, and give.them the best chance possible of winning on saturday
Don't think this would be permitted by the FA , Gate is split three ways (home and away teams and the FA)
It's only 2 ways in the qualifying rounds, and rounds 1 and 2 (except replays where a cut in rounds 1 and 2 goes into a pot and is redistrubuted to all teams competing in that round). FA only take a cut once the Premier League teams are introduced.
Minimum adult ticket price is £5 in the 2nd qualifying round.
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Many Thanks for the information,most interesting and informative.
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Keeping my fingers crossed that the club will do something otherwise it could be a low crowd
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I don't know whether sacking him would be the wisest decision at this stage but it's got to change it or we are in big trouble. He has to stop putting his mates in the team I:E Hawley and Chapman. Every time i've seen Waite and Tshimanga they have been a threat to the opposition but both on the bench last nigh, but Chapman has been awful Captain or not. He needs some steal in that backline and midfield as I think we have the potential up top.
Saturday is a must win or I feel Newton may have his hand forced.
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I went last night and wasn't impressed. Even away, how can you expect to win when all your players spend a lot of time in your own half.
The first goal was a set piece, lets face it we wasn't going to score any other way. Conceded two terrible goals. Lazy defending. However i didn't think Chapman played that bad. Huge issue for me is playing at least seven people behind the ball all the time. We even won a few second balls but couldn't distribute it as most of our players were in the same area. Then a huge gap to the forwards so were lumping up for Rollings and Hawley to run after. Looked slightly better after the subs went 442 or 433 With Waite seemed far more balanced.
I Thought Beatson put a decent performance in as did Hemmings. Yeomans also worked hard but his interview seemed to suggest others can't be bothered
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A problem I've noticed is that when our players have the ball, particularly in our own half, there's rarely anyone running towards the player to take the ball off him. Ie keeping it simple. The player is then forced to play it long. This is a simple thing that would make us much more effective. I bet in training there's loads of play like this but it all goes out of the window in match situations. There's a time and place for the long ball - note Leicester with Jamie Vardy. It rarely works without bags of pace.
TEP
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A problem I've noticed is that when our players have the ball, particularly in our own half, there's rarely anyone running towards the player to take the ball off him. Ie keeping it simple. The player is then forced to play it long. This is a simple thing that would make us much more effective. I bet in training there's loads of play like this but it all goes out of the window in match situations. There's a time and place for the long ball - note Leicester with Jamie Vardy. It rarely works without bags of pace.
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I agree with your "having to play it long"...when you line up with a back 5 and 2 defensive midfielders, it doesn't give many options. There's often a 30 yard gap between these 7 and the attacking 3, so no option but to knock it long. When Harry Vince plays, he does drop into the 30 yard gap, so there's at least more option then. The other factor in this is that we spend so much time soaking up opposition attacks, the ball invariably starts in our own third with a hoofed clearance, and the same scenario applies. The one man who seems able to continually drop into the gap and bring others into the game in my opinion is Karl Hawley. Now, admittedly I wasn't a fan, and I would guess he'd struggle to last 90 minutes, but he seems to have more time on the ball, better vision, and in my book, recently his class has started to come through. Maybe he is the missing link, and should play a little deeper?
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We are going to be in a relegation battle me thinks. The time for talking is over, big game on Saturday for AM.
We knew we would be in a relegation battle before pre season. Not sure why BUFC fans think their team should be play-off material.
This league, probably more than any other, is divided by the haves, and the have nots.
Seven teams are full time, and six or seven of the others are paying full time wages to some of their players. Kidderminster have paid £75k for a player (and wages to match) and Salf*rd offered £200k for a striker - loose change to the ex Manure players, but more than our entire annual budget.
We are in a league of about six teams (NFU, Leamington, Telford, Curzon, and I originally predicted BPA, but now it's FCUM) trying to stay in the division - BUFC could get drawn into this, but I expect them to be in the next group of lower mid table anonymity
The division above is not the promised land, but seemingly the path to potential obscurity - of which some teams are struggling to recover
this just about hits the nail on the head.....