Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: lonegunman on June 26, 2016, 10:32:59 AM
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He said remain and 75% of Boston said leave. As it's obvious he has no idea what the hells going on in this town, should he leave too? :)
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Maybe he's the one with a calm view of what's best for the town & the country in the long term. Maybe he has an understanding of the economic realities and some common human decency. Though I never thought I'd say that about a Tory MP.
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Maybe he's the one with a calm view of what's best for the town & the country in the long term. Maybe he has an understanding of the economic realities and some common human decency. Though I never thought I'd say that about a Tory MP.
Either that or he wanted his Christmas bonus from Dave.
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Maybe he's the one with a calm view of what's best for the town & the country in the long term. Maybe he has an understanding of the economic realities and some common human decency. Though I never thought I'd say that about a Tory MP.
sorry to be negative but how many murders and stabbings were there in Boston 20 years ago, and how m any are there now? Common human decency to me is not these vile things that have emerged in our town over the last 20 years.
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Maybe he's the one with a calm view of what's best for the town & the country in the long term. Maybe he has an understanding of the economic realities and some common human decency. Though I never thought I'd say that about a Tory MP.
sorry to be negative but how many murders and stabbings were there in Boston 20 years ago, and how m any are there now? Common human decency to me is not these vile things that have emerged in our town over the last 20 years.
You tell us! How many murders were there in 1995 compared to 2015? What's the actual number?
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Tory's, Labour, Unions, some Buisness people, bankers Londoners and all,
still are not listening.
OUR Nation voted OUT.
So put your dummies back in and do what the majority wanted, and stick your Xenophobia
Comments.
And for Scotland tell them they lost a democratic vote and stop the freebies.
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Its all part of putting a positive spin on any particular situation to suit the agenda, examples:-
The Newsnight debate from Boston Stump was manipulated by the BBC producers to such an extent that the overall impression given was that it was fairly evenly balanced, or maybe even slightly in favour of Remain...wrong.
The council had an article in the local rag stating that there were no problems on the streets of the town, the police agreed with this assessment. Having visited West Street most Saturday nights for 30 years, I know from personal experience that this is not true.
On two occasions last year the road.was closed off with the blue and white police tape due to an 'incident'.
There has been no increase in the policing that I have noticed. In the previous 29 years the only incident I witnessed was someone being hit by a passing car.
The intellectual consensus does not want there to be these problems so the media spin it that way, I think our local council even won some award last year for the way they've handled the integration problems of our diverse community. :police:
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This is what I don't understand: even if we left the EU tomorrow (and we will be in the EU for at least two and a bit years), unless the UK economy tanks, the EU workers in Boston are not going anywhere.
So, as you rightly say, what Boston needs is investment in things like housing, policing, schools, health-care and such like right now. But I fail to understand how our eventual departure from the EU will actually help with any of those things. This is failure of local and central government, which you/we all elect.
More mystifying is the fact that when investment in the town DOES arrive, e.g. additional housing developments like the Quadrant, my Facebook is full of people moaning about it!
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Its all part of putting a positive spin on any particular situation to suit the agenda, examples:-
The Newsnight debate from Boston Stump was manipulated by the BBC producers to such an extent that the overall impression given was that it was fairly evenly balanced, or maybe even slightly in favour of Remain...wrong.
The council had an article in the local rag stating that there were no problems on the streets of the town, the police agreed with this assessment. Having visited West Street most Saturday nights for 30 years, I know from personal experience that this is not true.
On two occasions last year the road.was closed off with the blue and white police tape due to an 'incident'.
There has been no increase in the policing that I have noticed. In the previous 29 years the only incident I witnessed was someone being hit by a passing car.
The intellectual consensus does not want there to be these problems so the media spin it that way, I think our local council even won some award last year for the way they've handled the integration problems of our diverse community. :police:
And not,s let forget the Question Time stitch up from Boston .
What the BBC do not show and the politicians push under the carpet is the heart break suffered by hard working Bostonian , many prisoners in their own homes and and unable to escape .
Many unable to move from homes they have worked hard to buy only to be ambushed by HMOs which brings noise and disorder . Trapped by the fact that the property is unsellable to the ordinary buyer , only landlords who want to extend their stock of HMOs will purchase it at a knock down price
Lets not forget the many OAPs (OK I know there,ll be no sympathy from hard hearted Adam )who suffer the same problem after a lifetime of work only to find have there retirement ruined . And not least those most vulnerable pensioners with serious health and/or injuries some received fighting for their country .
At least one minister did not overlook them , Ian Duncan Smith saw then as a source of extra income, i.e bang a bedroom tax on them .
Brexit gave this slimy character the excuse to abdicate the utter mess he created called "welfare reform"
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I posted this thread in the first place because i was wondering if like me, others believe that MP's are completely out of touch with the general public.
Watching the interviews of the general public, yes, immigration was high on the list. I also think that most working class people are sick to the back teeth with the rulers of this country. They and others got us in the mess we're in today, and who gets punished, not the bankers and fiddling MP's.
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There's a lot of talk about a snap General Election/ General Election.
Seems likely that Matt Warman would lose the seat under the current mood. Labour is in turmoil so it would be a shoe-in for a Kipper, although the one who stood last time has moved on so I'm not sure who would stand.
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Matt Warman is a very hard working MP for us and deserves our respect.He is in touch and available to all the people in his constituency and gets heard in Parliament. Matt is one of best MPs we have had, regardless of your political beliefs.
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Matt Warman is a very hard working MP for us and deserves our respect.He is in touch and available to all the people in his constituency and gets heard in Parliament. Matt is one of best MPs we have had, regardless of your political beliefs.
God help the rest, then.
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Matt Warman is a very hard working MP for us and deserves our respect.He is in touch and available to all the people in his constituency and gets heard in Parliament. Matt is one of best MPs we have had, regardless of your political beliefs.
Seems a decent enough bloke, and good luck to him in his political career.
The fact remains though that on the most important political decision of our lifetimes he did not represent the opinions of the majority of his constituents.
:police:
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This also raises the question of what would happen if or when the Brexit legislation is put before parliament in an attempt to get it voted down.
Would Matt vote as 75% of his constituents would like, ie in favour of the Brexit, or would he join the majority of MPs in voting against?
If its the latter then he probably should consider his position before the situation arises.
Maybe someone on his Twitter feed could ask him, in the interests of openness and transparency.
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This also raises the question of what would happen if or when the Brexit legislation is put before parliament in an attempt to get it voted down.
Would Matt vote as 75% of his constituents would like, ie in favour of the Brexit, or would he join the majority of MPs in voting against?
If its the latter then he probably should consider his position before the situation arises.
Maybe someone on his Twitter feed could ask him, in the interests of openness and transparency.
He'll be frightened to 'rock the boat' and be frightened he won't be considered for another bag-carrying job. He'll support the Party come what may - whatever they tell him to do, he'll do
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A bit like Corbyn then, although there's a rumour going around that Corbyn actually voted to leave.
If MPs are not going to represent the views of the majority in their constituency it will be a democratic disaster leading to civil unrest; effectively a in-in referendum, which will make our country the laughingstock of the democratic world :'(
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Matt will have another decision to make with the election of a new leader coming up .
Boris is a character some like and some despise . I,M sure Matt will reveal which candidate he,s backing .
Back Boris and he will upset some of his constituents .
NOT back Boris and he will upset a different segment of his constituents .
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Stepping back for a moment, the role of a Member of Parliament is to stand for what he believes and what he understands his electorate voted for at the time of his election; i.e. the views expressed in his manifesto. Unlike a trades union delegate, he is not mandated to vote, but votes on his own conscience, normally following the lead of his party.
At times like the present, this may be unpopular with supporters (including me) of a different opinion, but that is the parliamentary system.
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Stepping back for a moment, the role of a Member of Parliament is to stand for what he believes and what he understands his electorate voted for at the time of his election; i.e. the views expressed in his manifesto. Unlike a trades union delegate, he is not mandated to vote, but votes on his own conscience, normally following the lead of his party.
At times like the present, this may be unpopular with supporters (including me) of a different opinion, but that is the parliamentary system.
So we may just as well vote for a party and let them decide who represent us? God help us!
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So effectively, if it goes to a parliamentary vote, we will have gone through all this for nothing if MPs follow the party line.
Brexit will be voted down. :'(
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Remember Mark Simmonds ?
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Yes :dan
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So does anyone think that we vote for an individual and not the party? In the last election, the Labour candidate had an exemplary record of service to the local community and the Tory was unknown to the area. Unfortunately, in Boston & Skegness constituency, if you stick up a scarecrow and put a blue rosette on it, it will be voted in.
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So does anyone think that we vote for an individual and not the party? In the last election, the Labour candidate had an exemplary record of service to the local community and the Tory was unknown to the area. Unfortunately, in Boston & Skegness constituency, if you stick up a scarecrow and put a blue rosette on it, it will be voted in.
Looking at the make-up of the constituency I find it difficult to understand why that the Blues command such a large majority . Looking at Matt in the house the last two days I think he looks concerned , don,t think he would fancy a by-election any-time soon .
Extract from a letter I sent to Matt 08/04/2016 .....
"a year ago when you visited me I advised you to steer clear of Shapps , IDS and Cameron, time for forward looking MPs to start distancing themselves from the PM "
Slimy Shapps involved in campaign bus scandal was soon moved aside .
IDS saw virtue in the referendum by the fact it gave him opportunity to slip out of the utter mess he made of Works & Pensions .
Matt,s chance of progress now restricted due to backing Cameron to stay in EU.
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Matt will have another decision to make with the election of a new leader coming up .
Boris is a character some like and some despise . I,M sure Matt will reveal which candidate he,s backing .
Back Boris and he will upset some of his constituents .
NOT back Boris and he will upset a different segment of his constituents .
A bit easier for Matt now that Boris has gone .
Stephen Phillips MP(Sleaford) has quickly come out to back Mrs May , will Matt follow ?.
Seems like a well planned plot to stab Boris in the back .
Seems odd that a private email between Grove and his wife (a Daily Mail columnist) got leaked .
Gove stabs Johnson in the back .
The Daily Mail who backed leave and employs Mrs Gove backs Mrs May who was a remainer .
Mrs May known to been leaning towards Brexit before the referendum, quietly declaring herself a remainer but all the time during the campaign reminded virtually silent .
Seems like a well worked out scheme which may see Gove standing down for May to walk into the job . A declared remainer who will happily implement Leave proposals .
Matts best bet is to back Teressa May .
Would,nt trust Gove or Boris to do the job .
I did,nt see a copy of the email between Gove and his wife and don,t want to do .
But, if anyone can get hold of a copy of an email from Boris to his wife I would be pleased to see it . :)
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What a week of politics! Sometimes you get so spun round it's difficult to know if you're left right or centre!
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Simple solution to solve some of the issues, would be for the bone idle and long term useless of the town, to get off their backsides and look for a job. The mob culture that exists in this section of society, is helped by all of the spare time they have on their hands, waiting for their wages (benefit handouts).
There were always jobs for people going back through the years, cutting veg was always a well paid job, hard work, but well paid. Slowly the benefits dished out became more than a safety net and the rest is history.
As for BREXIT, it does not affect anyone who relies on handouts, as the country always finds a way to help, the only ones it affects are the folks who work their bits off year in, year out.
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Matt will have another decision to make with the election of a new leader coming up .
Boris is a character some like and some despise . I,M sure Matt will reveal which candidate he,s backing .
Back Boris and he will upset some of his constituents .
NOT back Boris and he will upset a different segment of his constituents .
A bit easier for Matt now that Boris has gone .
Stephen Phillips MP(Sleaford) has quickly come out to back Mrs May , will Matt follow ?.
Seems like a well planned plot to stab Boris in the back .
Seems odd that a private email between Grove and his wife (a Daily Mail columnist) got leaked .
Gove stabs Johnson in the back .
The Daily Mail who backed leave and employs Mrs Gove backs Mrs May who was a remainer .
Mrs May known to been leaning towards Brexit before the referendum, quietly declaring herself a remainer but all the time during the campaign reminded virtually silent .
Seems like a well worked out scheme which may see Gove standing down for May to walk into the job . A declared remainer who will happily implement Leave proposals .
Matts best bet is to back Teressa May .
Would,nt trust Gove or Boris to do the job .
I did,nt see a copy of the email between Gove and his wife and don,t want to do .
But, if anyone can get hold of a copy of an email from Boris to his wife I would be pleased to see it . :)
I wouldn't have a jot of sympathy for Boris - he campaigned for leave purely to further his own career, in the expectation that Remain would prevail but he would be a hero amongst Eurosceptic Tory members and therefore inherit the leadership from Cameron in 2019/2020. After years of economic growth, the deficit eliminated and Corbyn still in charge of Labour he would then win an enormous majority. You could see in his speech last Friday he had no appetite to clear up the mess he has created, and Gove stabbing him in the front tipped him over the edge and made him withdraw. As a remainer, it's grimly satisfying to see his career in tatters as well, but it's a Pyrrhic victory.
Looks like May will take on the poisoned chalice now. She is by far the least bad option, in my view. What I would give for a credible Labour Party led by the elder Miliband...