Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Anita Goodsheet on September 26, 2015, 05:39:15 PM
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It feels like we've stepped back 3 years and aren't kicking on from the last couple of seasons. Is it time for a change, or are we just down on our luck a bit ?
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Both!
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Had enough of Greene! Time for a change NOW
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I'm watching Newcastle V Rent Boys. Rent Boys are woeful, this is the team that last season won the Prem. They have, or so some say, the best manager in the world!!
Would you sack Jose? No, so stop moaning and put up with it. At the moment we're poor, at the moment the Rent Boys are poor!!
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They won the league last year but we never!!!!
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I'll be very surprised if we finish higher in our league than Chelsea do in the prem come the end of the season, but we'll have to wait and see. Den's steady, but is steady good enough to keep people coming through the gate.
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Sad thing is Spalding are further in the cup than us
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Oh Dear.
Never mind, soon be Christmas.
As I have said before, don't blame the players because they are chosen by a higher being.
The players didn't look happy before the start of the game, never mind the end.
A few 'supporters' gathered near the dugout at the end to have words with the manager which I could understand but I was pleased to see they didn't abuse the players. Can you imagine how frustrating it must be for the 5/6 quality players we have, like Mills, Pidge, to be playing with other lads who are not of the same quality. Not their fault they are not up to standard, I wonder whose fault it is.
Just a thought, does Greeny ever praise and encourage our players or does he only know how to criticise them. I have never heard or seen such a person who has such an abundance of hindsight.
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Oh Dear.
Never mind, soon be Christmas.
As I have said before, don't blame the players because they are chosen by a higher being.
The players didn't look happy before the start of the game, never mind the end.
A few 'supporters' gathered near the dugout at the end to have words with the manager which I could understand but I was pleased to see they didn't abuse the players. Can you imagine how frustrating it must be for the 5/6 quality players we have, like Mills, Pidge, to be playing with other lads who are not of the same quality. Not their fault they are not up to standard, I wonder whose fault it is.
Just a thought, does Greeny ever praise and encourage our players or does he only know how to criticise them. I have never heard or seen such a person who has such an abundance of hindsight.
"abundance of hindsight " :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Plenty of that on here .
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Said it a week ago. Today should be the last straw. Can't be doing with promises of strengthening the team to improve the season. Exactly the same happened last year waiting for the busa bus to leave leek town in remarkably similar circumstances. Time's up.
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No abundance of hindsight from most of us, we all knew we only needed 3 or 4 players to make us serious contenders this year.
player one = totally obvious that once Rene Steer left we needed a left back, not sorted
player two = experienced playmaker or ball winner in central midfield, bit of a calm head to help the young squad, not sorted
player three = physical striker to put defences under pressure and set up play for Dayle, not sorted
player four = good quality keeper, hopefully with some experience, not sorted
why can Gainsborough attract players like Jarmen and D'Laryea who would have improved us, please please someone tell me why we take on young lads of 17, 18 from league teams who just can’t compete physically in this league. Isn’t our budget big enough or is several weeks in Benidorm more appealing than signing players.
Crowds will dwindle and all the positivity from last season will quickly fade. Hope I’m wrong but we could be in a relegation battle, the year we were relegated from the conference time and time again we were told were too good to go down, well we did. Changes need to be made quick, not saying Dennis should go now but if we are still in the same predicament after the next 4 league games we will have to see what happens.
Yes we’ve won 4 games, Curzon 21st , Brackley 18th, Gloucester 17th, Corby 16th and not beaten a single team above us.
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At the end of the day, it's only the FA Cup which most clubs find a distraction anyway. A Cup Competition, just like the FA Trophy, which is in Purgatory. Sorry, but this is 2015 and it's Leagues, Leagues, Quadrant, Leagues which count!!!! We've still got a new ground and 500 houses to look forward to!
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Well said Hozzer in your post totally spot on I agree with every word.
One thing id like to be answered which would be vital in knowing if we should get of Greens back or give him the benefit of time is this...
Has he identified quality players in the summer to fill the gaps which Hozzer points too only to be told by the chairman to find cheaper younger replacements.
If this is the answer to the critical question then its not Dennis Greens fault at all and he blame solely lays with the Chairman of the club.
Its a huge question that needs to be answered.
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The chairman is a truly wonderful chap, lets get that out of the way first.
Just remember how much debt we have, i would think we don't have has much money to spend as lots on here think.
I'm not saying DG is bullet proof, he could as some think get the chop if things don't improve. The next problem is, who replaces him if that happens?
Will whoever get a bigger budget, i very much doubt it. They will, like DG have the same players, yes he could move them on and replace. How much would they ask for, players are not stupid, they know how much they want.
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I believe the club is on approx 3500 pw budget.
Take away the 1750 rent.
Do the maths
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Dont be daft, that may be spot on with the playing budget, but will not have anything to do with the operational budget. Even suggesting we are working on a weekly playing pay roll of less than £2000 a week is madness. Pidge, bearing in mind he signed a two year deal last season, and Garner, probably still our two highest earners will logically take out between six and eight hundred of that between them, and even if 6,7,8 players were under £200, maybe some even under £150, you cant do that on the budget you are suggesting.
Its also why, despite what some may think the FA Cup and Trophy are so vital. A win yesterday and one more in the next round, money that common sense says you can't budget for pre-season, may have given Greene an extra £10,000 to spend on recruitment and could have made the difference between bringing in a couple of really decent players or couple of good ones, and how badly could the squad do with a bit of that extra quality.
The FA Cup may not mean a lot to teams in the premiership hell bent on survival, but to teams at our level, they can be a godsend, two more victories and we could have featured in a televised match, and suddenly our income because of it could have topped six figures and I cant believe anyone can dismiss our exit quite so flippantly
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Putting aside the poor results of late and crashing out the cup at the first point, it's even more alarming to see on social media DG telling a paying customer to go watch his football elsewhere. In any other business field telling a customer to go to another business would not be tolerated. It is simply unprofessional and shows great disrespect to the customers loyalty. This kind of conduct cannot be tolerated by the club.
It's not the first time he's shown an error of judgement by commenting on social media and criticising fans when it's his mistakes that's to blame for poor performances. The best thing for DG to do is to let his work do the talking, improve the team and results instead of making ridiculous comments on social media. Personally I'd prefer a manager that quietly gets on with the task in hand and then that can be the only thing I ultimately judge them on. While some fans will no doubt tolerate his behaviour if results pick up, he cannot conduct himself like this when results are also lacking. It doesn't bode well for the clubs image either when a clubs manager is slating the fans, it's poor form and slows a lack of class. Perhaps it's a sign of the pressure he's starting to feel ?
I hope DN reminds DG that he represents the club, the business and that incidents like this shouldn't be happening.
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At the end of the day, it's only the FA Cup which most clubs find a distraction anyway. A Cup Competition, just like the FA Trophy, which is in Purgatory. Sorry, but this is 2015 and it's Leagues, Leagues, Quadrant, Leagues which count!!!! We've still got a new ground and 500 houses to look forward to!
Disagree , as B Grimes says the potential cash windfall is vital for most small clubs to break even .
All the same nice to read the posters on this thread this morning making real attempt to be constructive .
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At the end of the day, it's only the FA Cup which most clubs find a distraction anyway. A Cup Competition, just like the FA Trophy, which is in Purgatory. Sorry, but this is 2015 and it's Leagues, Leagues, Quadrant, Leagues which count!!!! We've still got a new ground and 500 houses to look forward to!
Disagree , as B Grimes says the potential cash windfall is vital for most small clubs to break even .
All the same nice to read the posters on his thread this morning making real attempt to be constructive .
Agree with you g h m. Well said.
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No abundance of hindsight from most of us, we all knew we only needed 3 or 4 players to make us serious contenders this year.
player one = totally obvious that once Rene Steer left we needed a left back, not sorted
player two = experienced playmaker or ball winner in central midfield, bit of a calm head to help the young squad, not sorted
player three = physical striker to put defences under pressure and set up play for Dayle, not sorted
player four = good quality keeper, hopefully with some experience, not sorted
why can Gainsborough attract players like Jarmen and D'Laryea who would have improved us, please please someone tell me why we take on young lads of 17, 18 from league teams who just can’t compete physically in this league. Isn’t our budget big enough or is several weeks in Benidorm more appealing than signing players.
Crowds will dwindle and all the positivity from last season will quickly fade. Hope I’m wrong but we could be in a relegation battle, the year we were relegated from the conference time and time again we were told were too good to go down, well we did. Changes need to be made quick, not saying Dennis should go now but if we are still in the same predicament after the next 4 league games we will have to see what happens.
Yes we’ve won 4 games, Curzon 21st , Brackley 18th, Gloucester 17th, Corby 16th and not beaten a single team above us.
Another good post asking for questions to be answered . Greene knew we needed he players listed by hozzer so why no players signed of the required standard ?
Many don,t seem to grasp the complex problems for non-league players combining jobs with football .
Over the years there has been few local players produced suitable for our level ( "big northeners") leaving the club to look further afield .
If you are seeking to bring in players from long distances the player has to take into account travelling time and the cost , maybe lost wages and less family time .
For example a player in the Manchester area with offers from NC local club/s would maybe require another £2/300 a week to be tempted to Boston .
I think a few GTFC are fairl local and some have good jobs local .
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No abundance of hindsight from most of us, we all knew we only needed 3 or 4 players to make us serious contenders this year.
player one = totally obvious that once Rene Steer left we needed a left back, not sorted
player two = experienced playmaker or ball winner in central midfield, bit of a calm head to help the young squad, not sorted
player three = physical striker to put defences under pressure and set up play for Dayle, not sorted
player four = good quality keeper, hopefully with some experience, not sorted
why can Gainsborough attract players like Jarmen and D'Laryea who would have improved us, please please someone tell me why we take on young lads of 17, 18 from league teams who just can’t compete physically in this league. Isn’t our budget big enough or is several weeks in Benidorm more appealing than signing players.
Crowds will dwindle and all the positivity from last season will quickly fade. Hope I’m wrong but we could be in a relegation battle, the year we were relegated from the conference time and time again we were told were too good to go down, well we did. Changes need to be made quick, not saying Dennis should go now but if we are still in the same predicament after the next 4 league games we will have to see what happens.
Yes we’ve won 4 games, Curzon 21st , Brackley 18th, Gloucester 17th, Corby 16th and not beaten a single team above us.
Another good post asking for questions to be answered . Greene knew we needed he players listed by hozzer so why no players signed of the required standard ?
Many don,t seem to grasp the complex problems for non-league players combining jobs with football .
Over the years there has been few local players produced suitable for our level ( "big northeners") leaving the club to look further afield .
If you are seeking to bring in players from long distances the player has to take into account travelling time and the cost , maybe lost wages and less family time .
For example a player in the Manchester area with offers from NC local club/s would maybe require another £2/300 a week to be tempted to Boston .
I think a few GTFC are fairl local and some have good jobs local .
Well said Hozzer in your post totally spot on I agree with every word.
One thing id like to be answered which would be vital in knowing if we should get of Greens back or give him the benefit of time is this...
Has he identified quality players in the summer to fill the gaps which Hozzer points too only to be told by the chairman to find cheaper younger replacements.
If this is the answer to the critical question then its not Dennis Greens fault at all and he blame solely lays with the Chairman of the club.
Its a huge question that needs to be answered.
Possible that the answer is contained in the above post (players demands )
Difficult to question the chairman when Chestnuts sink £100k a year into club .
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Whatever the pros and cons of Cup Competitions (FA Cup, FA Trophy, Lincolnshire Senior Cup), we shouldn't take into account yesterday's result regarding Den's future at the Club. Cup games, although ranking above Friendlies, are still less important than League encounters. The Chairman, when looking at the Footballing side of the business, appears quite happy with the way Den conducts himself at the moment. Naturally, if our final League position at the end of the season is anything below mid-table, there may be some "reviewing of the situation" but not necessary any changes in employees. The construction side of the business, Chestnuts, is a healthy business and with the Quadrant will provide much needed affordable housing and jobs for this area.
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Let's just simplify the issue. Doesn't matter if it's Cup, League, Friendly or the daft Lincs cup, the bottom line is we are fed up with losing. Losing twice at Gainsborough in one season is just too much to stomach. 12 competitive matches and just four wins is not conducive to crowd attraction. Something, that has been pointed out by others, that should have been done was not done. It appears we waited until all the good uns were snatched up and then went looking at whatever was left and then looked for the cheapest. Still feel sorry for the good players we have who have been let down by the manager. I don't think we have a happy changing room at the moment and that's not because of us losing. I wonder if a few of those 'good uns' will go elsewhere when the opportunity arises.
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I would be surprised if 1or2 players does not leave . At least most the best players are contracted so a fee will be due .
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Earlier posts have set out exactly what player changes are needed. I could not agree more, as several of us have been saying this for months and being shouted down by the usual suspects. 5 players are trying to carry this team at present and its telling that they are getting frustrated like the rest of us. The manager is losing or has already lost the dressing room. He is responsible for squad building, team selection and team tactics, and it seems to me he has failed on all fronts. You cannot rely on young inexperienced loan players in this league. I am convinced that Garner is best as a central defender which means we are totally lacking in midfield and are getting overwhelmed every game once other managers realise our problems. I totally respect David Newton he is an honourable chairman and we all know we would not have a club without him, and he likes to be loyal to his managers, but I think that now is the time to say thank you Dennis and move on to a new manager before the season gets significantly worse. As somebody else has said we have only beaten teams below us in the league and the next few games look pretty grim to me with this squad.
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Putting aside the poor results of late and crashing out the cup at the first point, it's even more alarming to see on social media DG telling a paying customer to go watch his football elsewhere. In any other business field telling a customer to go to another business would not be tolerated. It is simply unprofessional and shows great disrespect to the customers loyalty. This kind of conduct cannot be tolerated by the club.
It's not the first time he's shown an error of judgement by commenting on social media and criticising fans when it's his mistakes that's to blame for poor performances. The best thing for DG to do is to let his work do the talking, improve the team and results instead of making ridiculous comments on social media. Personally I'd prefer a manager that quietly gets on with the task in hand and then that can be the only thing I ultimately judge them on. While some fans will no doubt tolerate his behaviour if results pick up, he cannot conduct himself like this when results are also lacking. It doesn't bode well for the clubs image either when a clubs manager is slating the fans, it's poor form and slows a lack of class. Perhaps it's a sign of the pressure he's starting to feel ?
I hope DN reminds DG that he represents the club, the business and that incidents like this shouldn't be happening.
These people were abusing him on social media too, so is that acceptable ? if someone was to abuse me verbally, i would stand my ground too same as anyone would. Yes, he is the manager but the comments made that were personal towards him was not acceptable and the song that the fans chant of "kn**head army actually fits for some, as they are behaving as one ! Time some of our fans grew up to be honest.
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Just heard DGs interview. So there is hope, we went out of the cup to Leek this time last year and still finished 3rd. But we shouldn't be in this position. You cannot start the season 3 months after all the other teams in the league and expect to do well at the end because you lose too many points and make life really difficult.
As for the abuse he gets at the end of the games I can understand the feelings of those few individuals butI felt for DG on Saturday as he received that sort of abuse. How about if those folk got together and stayed away for a few games to show how unhappy they are. Sometimes no noise is louder than lots of noise.
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Putting aside the poor results of late and crashing out the cup at the first point, it's even more alarming to see on social media DG telling a paying customer to go watch his football elsewhere. In any other business field telling a customer to go to another business would not be tolerated. It is simply unprofessional and shows great disrespect to the customers loyalty. This kind of conduct cannot be tolerated by the club.
It's not the first time he's shown an error of judgement by commenting on social media and criticising fans when it's his mistakes that's to blame for poor performances. The best thing for DG to do is to let his work do the talking, improve the team and results instead of making ridiculous comments on social media. Personally I'd prefer a manager that quietly gets on with the task in hand and then that can be the only thing I ultimately judge them on. While some fans will no doubt tolerate his behaviour if results pick up, he cannot conduct himself like this when results are also lacking. It doesn't bode well for the clubs image either when a clubs manager is slating the fans, it's poor form and slows a lack of class. Perhaps it's a sign of the pressure he's starting to feel ?
I hope DN reminds DG that he represents the club, the business and that incidents like this shouldn't be happening.
These people were abusing him on social media too, so is that acceptable ? if someone was to abuse me verbally, i would stand my ground too same as anyone would. Yes, he is the manager but the comments made that were personal towards him was not acceptable and the song that the fans chant of "kn**head army actually fits for some, as they are behaving as one ! Time some of our fans grew up to be honest.
This is the exact reason why I thought he shouldnt be in the FB group...Oh well.
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Putting aside the poor results of late and crashing out the cup at the first point, it's even more alarming to see on social media DG telling a paying customer to go watch his football elsewhere. In any other business field telling a customer to go to another business would not be tolerated. It is simply unprofessional and shows great disrespect to the customers loyalty. This kind of conduct cannot be tolerated by the club.
It's not the first time he's shown an error of judgement by commenting on social media and criticising fans when it's his mistakes that's to blame for poor performances. The best thing for DG to do is to let his work do the talking, improve the team and results instead of making ridiculous comments on social media. Personally I'd prefer a manager that quietly gets on with the task in hand and then that can be the only thing I ultimately judge them on. While some fans will no doubt tolerate his behaviour if results pick up, he cannot conduct himself like this when results are also lacking. It doesn't bode well for the clubs image either when a clubs manager is slating the fans, it's poor form and slows a lack of class. Perhaps it's a sign of the pressure he's starting to feel ?
I hope DN reminds DG that he represents the club, the business and that incidents like this shouldn't be happening.
These people were abusing him on social media too, so is that acceptable ? if someone was to abuse me verbally, i would stand my ground too same as anyone would. Yes, he is the manager but the comments made that were personal towards him was not acceptable and the song that the fans chant of "kn**head army actually fits for some, as they are behaving as one ! Time some of our fans grew up to be honest.
This is the exact reason why I thought he shouldnt be in the FB group...Oh well.
Agree totally, but my feelings are that some wanted him on there purely so they can dish out the abuse.
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Let's just simplify the issue. Doesn't matter if it's Cup, League, Friendly or the daft Lincs cup, the bottom line is we are fed up with losing. Losing twice at Gainsborough in one season is just too much to stomach. 12 competitive matches and just four wins is not conducive to crowd attraction. Something, that has been pointed out by others, that should have been done was not done. It appears we waited until all the good uns were snatched up and then went looking at whatever was left and then looked for the cheapest. Still feel sorry for the good players we have who have been let down by the manager. I don't think we have a happy changing room at the moment and that's not because of us losing. I wonder if a few of those 'good uns' will go elsewhere when the opportunity arises.
Making assertions here ? or do you know Greene sat back and waited for the best players to go ?
What advantage would it be for him to wait for the "cheapest " he,s not footing the wage bill .
My assertion would be that Greene probably made good offers to players but they decided Boston did not fit there requirerments ie location or was outbid by a club living beyond their means .
I know his grates with most of us but do we want to return to the days of "outbidding " other clubs and what it entails ? Not for me
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Dont be daft, that may be spot on with the playing budget, but will not have anything to do with the operational budget. Even suggesting we are working on a weekly playing pay roll of less than £2000 a week is madness. Pidge, bearing in mind he signed a two year deal last season, and Garner, probably still our two highest earners will logically take out between six and eight hundred of that between them, and even if 6,7,8 players were under £200, maybe some even under £150, you cant do that on the budget you are suggesting.
Its also why, despite what some may think the FA Cup and Trophy are so vital. A win yesterday and one more in the next round, money that common sense says you can't budget for pre-season, may have given Greene an extra £10,000 to spend on recruitment and could have made the difference between bringing in a couple of really decent players or couple of good ones, and how badly could the squad do with a bit of that extra quality.
The FA Cup may not mean a lot to teams in the premiership hell bent on survival, but to teams at our level, they can be a godsend, two more victories and we could have featured in a televised match, and suddenly our income because of it could have topped six figures and I cant believe anyone can dismiss our exit quite so flippantly
sorry for being daft, thankfully its not a family trait.
however...........I am nearer the figure than you may think.
in your summary there are a few "probablys".......ie you don't actually know.
the figure of 3500 as far as I know is correct. this is why DG is getting loan players in etc.
I don't like it as others don't but this is a reality.
the chestnuts can not throw money at it indefinitely (they've subbed it for 8 years)
maybe stormy waters ahead??????????
be thankful for what we have.
(generally agree with you Mr Grimes :) )
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Dont be daft, that may be spot on with the playing budget, but will not have anything to do with the operational budget. Even suggesting we are working on a weekly playing pay roll of less than £2000 a week is madness. Pidge, bearing in mind he signed a two year deal last season, and Garner, probably still our two highest earners will logically take out between six and eight hundred of that between them, and even if 6,7,8 players were under £200, maybe some even under £150, you cant do that on the budget you are suggesting.
Its also why, despite what some may think the FA Cup and Trophy are so vital. A win yesterday and one more in the next round, money that common sense says you can't budget for pre-season, may have given Greene an extra £10,000 to spend on recruitment and could have made the difference between bringing in a couple of really decent players or couple of good ones, and how badly could the squad do with a bit of that extra quality.
The FA Cup may not mean a lot to teams in the premiership hell bent on survival, but to teams at our level, they can be a godsend, two more victories and we could have featured in a televised match, and suddenly our income because of it could have topped six figures and I cant believe anyone can dismiss our exit quite so flippantly
sorry for being daft, thankfully its not a family trait.
however...........I am nearer the figure than you may think.
in your summary there are a few "probablys".......ie you don't actually know.
the figure of 3500 as far as I know is correct. this is why DG is getting loan players in etc.
I don't like it as others don't but this is a reality.
the chestnuts can not throw money at it indefinitely (they've subbed it for 8 years)
maybe stormy waters ahead??????????
be thankful for what we have.
(generally agree with you Mr Grimes :) )
Rather than guess why don,t you two buy some shares in the club and get a copy of the balance sheet ,
or be like me and gadge a copy off some one else . :)
Looks to me that when we take into account the unknown wages of the manager , physio, kitman and scout £3.5k a week on players wages is no far adrift .
How long would it take the would-be managers on here to bust the budget in a early season rush to sign players ?
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The budget last season was £3000 per week. This season's budget has been increased so presume it's an extra £500 per week making the £3500.
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Rather than guess why don,t you two buy some shares in the club and get a copy of the balance sheet ,
or be like me and gadge a copy off some one else . :)
Looks to me that when we take into account the unknown wages of the manager , physio, kitman and scout £3.5k a week on players wages is no far adrift .
How long would it take the would-be managers on here to bust the budget in a early season rush to sign players ?
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interesting thought GHM............however ..........what the shares of?
the name BUFC?
there is nothing solid to buy shares in is there?
it would be interesting to see if the club was prepared to do a Bond holding at the new ground rather like Arsenal did at the Emirates.
over you P86 and Ken :)
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Great read .
Time does indeed stand still on Patter , this old thread almost a carbon copy of posts submitted this weekend .
Critics still unable to grasp how we are restricted by finance and geographical position .
Interesting comments on budget with various estimates of what it is .
Maybe this one can now be put to bed as comment by Andy (Butler) on facebook suggests Greene has got a fair budget ,
sure Andy will clarify the figure for us .
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Put it this way. Our budget isn't the 22nd best....
Wouldn't surprise me if it's top 10. Who will be spending less than us
Gloucester
Worcester
Gainsborough
Curzon
Stalybridge?
Bpa?
Alfreton?
I doubt tamworth and Nuneaton are offering less, even though we got a couple off them.
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But aside from darlington who still have the north east and a decent catchment area from the northern leagues, who is in a worse location than us???
It's also why barrow are never really challengers at level 5, without significant money involved. Same for us. Lowestoft struggled here too for two years.
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Put it this way. Our budget isn't the 22nd best....
And the season hasn't ended, either.
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Put it this way. Our budget isn't the 22nd best....
Wouldn't surprise me if it's top 10. Who will be spending less than us
Gloucester
Worcester
Gainsborough
Curzon
Stalybridge?
Bpa?
Alfreton?
I doubt tamworth and Nuneaton are offering less, even though we got a couple off them.
Can,t see above far adrift josh .
As you suggest Tamworth , Nuneaton and probably Telford on a par with us . there again these clubs are in a better catchment area to us to attract players . Also Nuneaton are full- time based on the "Ilkeston Town model . " (Ilkeston have had a playing ban imposed on them by Evo-stik )
The 8 biggest spenders Darlo, Halifax , Stockport, Harrogate , AFC Man U, Kiddy , Salford and Fylde also have a big advantage by the fact of where their situated .
So after top 8 spenders it leaves Boston , Telford , Nuneaton and Brackley who appear to be spending big again in the second block of spenders .
Fact we have to face is that all the other 11 teams in this group are in a far better recruitment area than Boston.
So whether DG knockers like it or not, the fact is anything above 12th place this season would be over achieving .
Reflecting on make up of the league last season (less competitive ) 8th in the league would have been a realistic target .
So we overachieved last season , also similar the season before .
Checked your Dads BU Facebook comment re:playing budget .
What he suggested it was DG fault for lack of success so far because he had a realistic budget .
I think DN has mentioned it in the past , what he means is a realistic budget that will not put the club in dire straits .
In reality Greene has overachieved on a realistic budget , unless Andy can come up with figures that suggest Greene,s was up there with the Fylde,s etc .