Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: ALICE on November 03, 2009, 09:41:44 PM
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Gutted - :(
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I'm not.
The league is everything, this cup is a distraction we can do without. We wouldn't have won it and we'd have lost money unless we'd got to the final.
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Thanx for your work ' Alice ' ..
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Distraction or not we should be beating these teams.
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How do work that out Shods ..?
The only extra earner now is the Playoffs ..
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Thats what you get for being the understanding girlfriend of Craig hence why Im gutted - cos he has not had a good day and has still got to travel back and come home.
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Bit of a blow that.
Still, provided we respond to this like we did the last cup defeat - with five wins on the trot* - the kick up the backside will be worth it.
*Apart from in the Unibond Cup. Which we must get ourselves knocked out of at all costs.
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Thanks for the updates Alice I still love you just not as much as I did 10 minutes ago.
This was a pathetic result so lets see the managers put their money where their mouths are and shake these buggers up. At least we can look forward to a thrilling trip to Osset on the 21st.
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Disgusting result.There can be no excuses.
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Shodfried is correct.
The league is the most important competition.
Concentrate on winning the league. Don't want the play-offs because we would probably blow our chances of promotion.
(Besides - I have a bet at 14/1 to win the league!)
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dissapointed but not overly so.
at least it wasnt the league
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Winning breeds winning-we should treat all competitions the same.
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Don't know how much is tongue in cheek but its a mite SILLY ( and early ) to be writing Off Cup competitions in pursuit of ' Promotion at all costs ' ??? ...
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Not good enough 2nd week in a row to take the lead and then loose , bet the changing room is
blue with the words the managers will be saying to them , well if its not i will be worried ??? ???
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dam...! cant go to wembley now............... ;D
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Just got home from watching the shambles that was Boston United tonight. The only consolation was that it wasn't far to travel. Anyone would think we played to lose tonight. We were beaten by a better side in Quorn and good luck to them in the next round - although it would hardly have been a money spinner for us! It's hard to think this is the same team which took Nantwich apart only 10 days ago. The defeat at Stocksbridge could be put down to oh well you can't win them all and it's only another blip. Then Saturday's performance and now tonight's abysmal display. So it's what some people on here wanted - we can concentrate on the league now - but what about the hardy supporters who turn up week in week out. To turn out rubbish like the last 3 games is totally unacceptable and something needs to be done and quickly. Our problem has been scoring - the defence of late has been sound - but tonight for 2 of the goals they were all over the place. Lets be fair there is nearly 2 leagues difference between the 2 teams playing tonight. We should have finished the job on Saturday and tonight having gone 1-0 up we shouldn't have given 3 goals away the way we did. As previously said many will be happy we lost tonight (of that's how it seems) so we can concentrate on the league. Lets hope this is correct starting with what looks a dodgy game on Saturday against North Ferriby. Still I'll be there, as usual. If you don't turn out to support your team you really don't have any cause to complain do you. Rant over I'll leave it to the experts on here to dissect the game tonight.
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We've only got a thin squad so maybe all is not lost with this result, we know we would have had to then get through Vauxhall Motors (hardly a big pull) before we could get anywhere near anything resembling a decent tie so like others, it is disappointing but not overly upsetting.
It just sets our sights firmly on one goal.... POSITION 1, UNIBOND PREMIER.
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Let's face it - it's a bad result. Yes, let's concentrate on the league, but for crying out loud - beaten by Quorn?!!!
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Just got home. Best side won but I shouldn't be saying that. They outplayed us. Saying we can now concentrate on the league is a kop out from facing the facts.We virtually had the same team on the pitch that has given us some good results but for the last three games have been terrible. Our defence, despite losing tonight is still a good one. The midfield aren't too bad either but our forward line needs a lot of attention. I know we all have our favourites but get rid of MS, DD and Newsham and start again. We have no one with that bit of sparkle, that bit of imagination that even Scott mentioned after Saturdays game. Mr Newton deserves better than this. Perhaps its Mr Angry speaking after seeing tonights game and I know I'll get some flack but our forwards are not delivering the goods, they didn't on Saturday and they didn't tonight. Against the Odds is right. Sometimes rose tinted spectacles need cleaning.
Perhaps I'll feel better in the morning with a change of heart just like Mr Newton did a few weeks ago. Who would question him after these performances if he had another change of heart. I wouldn't. By the way, I call him Mr Newton and not David Newton out of respect for what he has done at the club. If you hadn't noticed I'm feeling pretty miffed.
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Just got home. Best side won but I shouldn't be saying that. They outplayed us. Saying we can now concentrate on the league is a kop out from facing the facts.We virtually had the same team on the pitch that has given us some good results but for the last three games have been terrible. Our defence, despite losing tonight is still a good one. The midfield aren't too bad either but our forward line needs a lot of attention. I know we all have our favourites but get rid of MS, DD and Newsham and start again. We have no one with that bit of sparkle, that bit of imagination that even Scott mentioned after Saturdays game.
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I see from the Unibond official results that Clarky was on the score sheet again against
his old club Stamford tonight in Div1 South, I do believe thats 3 in 5 appearances for
them. If things continue to go well on his loan move surely the Management will at
least consider bringing him back into the fold if things don't improve with what we have
presently.I am not wishing to pass comment that he could or would be the spark that
Scott refers to but, at least give the guy an opportunity and a run of games to show
what he could be capable of, the same would also apply to other members of the squad.
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Complete embarassment
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Ricky Miller and Lee Beeson also both on the score sheet last night in the same game as Jamie.
Agree with the comments about tonight's and recent poor performances, can't believe that's the same team on the pitch as at Nantwich!
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Still in shock after watching last night's game, where we gave a Stocksbridge performance not a Nantwich one. The might of Lowestoft and Quorn have ended our cup competition's this year, who would believe it? Not the chairman who would us seen us receive a useful cheque for £3000 for winning last night. After the last three performances the players should return last weeks wages to the club.
We didn't lose last night through lack of effort, just through sloppy,careless play and not having the correct mental attitude when we stepped onto the pitch. It was Quorn's Cup Final, and a team that lost 3-0 to Spalding not long ago was able to win it. The team owes us and the management a performance on Saturday, though I saw North Ferriby win 3-0 last week and if we play like last night.....Heaven help us! Containing Tom Matthews and Ben Morley they did the basics well but I know we are capable of beating them. Again it will be a case of , which Boston United will turn up? Jeckyl or Hyde?
Was quite stunned last night when some muppet/so called Boston supporter decided to come over to Rob Scott and call him a s*** and embarassement near the end of the game. People like that shouldn't bother attending, part of being a supporter is sticking with your team when things are going wrong.No one was more gutted than me walking out that ground last night but I don't start abusing people who are doing a good job. Is third in the league an embarassement?
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Loved scotts retort' thanks. That was constructive'
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I think I must be cursed. After a hectic few weeks during which I managed only the FCUM game – which, despite the result, was hardly a marvellous performance - I returned to regular spectatorly duties just in time for last week’s defeat at Stocksbridge and last night’s dismal performance at some village near Loughborough.
I’m starting to get a little tired now of being jeered out of these little grounds by a gaggle of gloating 14 year old wannabe fecktards while knowing, deep down, that they have every right to gloat because their team was simply a lot better than mine. Make no mistake, Quorn deserved their victory last night and what’s galling about that statement is that they are quite evidently a very limited team with one of the most nervous goalkeepers I have ever seen. Yet somehow United contrived to be as bad, and then progressively worse, than them. The passing was awful, the speculative long balls tiresome, the marking distinctly suspect. To compound matters, despite him haplessly flapping at the ball any time it came near him, Boston only started putting the Quorn keeper under any kind of consistent pressure during the very latter stages, which was just a little bit too cocking late to make any difference.
More worrying is that the best description I could give an interested party this morning of Davidson and Suarez is that they looked, in the context of this game (and last week’s), hopelessly out of their depth. Which, given that Boston were playing a struggling NPL 1 side with a panicky goalkeeper and two not-exactly-towering centre-backs with the pace of an obese turtle with a fat man sat on its back, is quite an achievement. And the less said about the defending last night the better – to say it was shambolic would hardly begin to describe how awful it was.
Still. Never mind. I’m sure Scott and Hurst were just as appalled at the performance as the rest of us. And the league position confirms that the team isn’t as bad as the pretty rubbish rabble I’ve had the misfortune of seeing so far this season. Enigmatic is probably the word – I’m sure with a minor re-shuffle and a decent striker we can put teams like Quorn to the sword in future.
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Was quite stunned last night when some muppet/so called Boston supporter decided to come over to Rob Scott and call him a s*** and embarassement near the end of the game. People like that shouldn't bother attending, part of being a supporter is sticking with your team when things are going wrong.No one was more gutted than me walking out that ground last night but I don't start abusing people who are doing a good job. Is third in the league an embarassement?
Disgrace to hear that, i hope Scott punched him in the face
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Both team and managers are to blame for such a piss poor performance. I hope the Chestnuts gave the managers as much of a rollicking as what the players should receive.
And I don't buy into this focus on the league position only - not that we have much fecking choice now - either! We should be capabale of maintain a cup run and a decent league position by now - clearly we are not and things still need addressing. Being dumped out of both cups by lowere league teams cannot do much for morale in my opinion.
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Our defence, despite losing tonight is still a good one. The midfield aren't too bad either but our forward line needs a lot of attention. I know we all have our favourites but get rid of MS, DD and Newsham and start again.
I don't understand why people single out players and think that replacing 1 or 2 will miraculously make results better. This is still the same team that has took on Nantwich, BPA and Guiseley in their own back yard and outplayed all 3. These are 3 of the best teams in this league.
Last night the defence was shocking, all 3 goals being down to inept defending and poor goalkeeping. The midfield again lacked any quality to open up a team who put men behind the ball so quite how you can defend these and attack the forward line I find bizarre. I'm not saying we where good going forward but 1 thing about this team is it is a team with no star players, they win as a team and take the plaudits and lose as a team and take the criticism.
Anyone who's says that doesn't matter as it's only the Trophy and we should concentrate on the league...ffs it's your team it SHOULD hurt when you lose whatever the competition. I know it hurt like hell to watch us be outplayed by a team that quite frankly weren't much better than Boston Town, to then come home and read garbage like that from people that where not there makes my blood boil. This team is really starting to frustrate me like everyone else, we seem to beat the quality teams but lose to the dross, a little harsh on Quorn who fully deserved their win but in comparison to teams we have beaten that is exactly what they are.
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At home against Quorn our strikers couldn't finish their dinner which cost us and away from home our defence was obviously the problem. There is no way you should go to a team at the bottom half of the division below, SCORE 2 GOALS, and STILL lose!! That is a joke! The whole team is to blame not individual players.
Saying that Cup upsets happen and this year we have been the ones on the recieving end - simple. Lets just hope the squad learn and react from this.
At the end of the day the league is what we want so not having distractions from cup competitions can only enhance our chances of getting automatic promotion.
Onwards and upwards!!!
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Was quite stunned last night when some muppet/so called Boston supporter decided to come over to Rob Scott and call him a s*** and embarassement near the end of the game. People like that shouldn't bother attending, part of being a supporter is sticking with your team when things are going wrong.No one was more gutted than me walking out that ground last night but I don't start abusing people who are doing a good job. Is third in the league an embarassement?
Probably one of those who still thinks Evans 'did a great job'........like the brain dead moron who I overheard telling his mate the other week..... those idiots disgust me, they're not Boston or football fans.
Scott and Hurst are on a learning curve, they make mistakes but a top 5 league finish will do fine.......so long as we either win the league or win the play off.
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just got home after witnessing our journey to Wembley end :(
we were not beat by a better team
we were not beat by a more skillful team
we were not beat by a fitter team
WE WERE BEAT BY A TEAM WHO WANTED IT MORE.
(talking to the dad of the No6 who scored the 2nd goal. It cost him £50! Also the lad had laid around 600 bricks during the day but didnt look tired, I guess it was DESIRE)
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I think I must be cursed.
Actually Pete I think it is me that is cursed. I watched Quorn quite a lot last season, as it is very close to home for me and their midweek matches on Tuesdays never seemed to clash with our own matches on Wednesdays. In seven or eight visits to Farley Way, I don't think I've ever seen Quorn lose. I hoped and I expected to break that duck last night, though have to concede that Quorn were the best side.
The talk about "let's concentrate on the league" is about all we can say now, but in truth there have been enough warning signs from the performances at Burscough, Stocksbridge and Quorn to suggest that this squad plainly isn't good enough. The management too must take some criticism for some of their substitutions. When 4-3-3 works it works well (e.g. Nantwich), but Plan B always seems to involve changes players rather than changing formation. And some teams have worked out how to play against 4-3-3. Last night, a goal down in a cup competition, we replaced Yates with Cotton. Like for like. Surely we should have been looking to throw everything but the kitchen sink at Quorn, especially given some of their goalkeepers fine ball juggling skills?
Newsham has scored goals and Davidson has height, but in my opinion none of our forwards are currently imposing enough pressure on opposing defenders. When you're playing against a dodgy goalkeeper you need to put them under pressure. But at times I'm not sure some of our players even know what a challenge is. Memories of Matt Bloomer at Kendal, anyone?
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Memories of Matt Bloomer at Kendal, anyone?
Corrected ;D
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Bloody hell. Was howmanynames2pick walking home or does he really live 21 hours away from Quorn!!!!!!
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I said the traffic was bad on Saturday.
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Think he took a detour via Belgium ;)
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Bloody hell. Was howmanynames2pick walking home or does he really live 21 hours away from Quorn!!!!!!
Just got back myself.
Obviously didn't go straight home...didn't enjoy the football this time >:(
Another chance of a repeat visit to Wembley slips away, how many years left on the York Street lease?
Will we make it back to the Conference before time is up? Probably not, but it won't be for lack of effort, hopefully the Chestnuts will keep us going till then.
Fair play to the Quorn, they wanted it more. They did to us what I was hoping we would do to some of the bigger teams in the competition in the later stages.
I was hoping for at least another St Albans...sorry, I was dreaming I know, now I'm just gutted :(
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The talk about "let's concentrate on the league" is about all we can say now, but in truth there have been enough warning signs from the performances at Burscough, Stocksbridge and Quorn to suggest that this squad plainly isn't good enough. The management too must take some criticism for some of their substitutions. When 4-3-3 works it works well (e.g. Nantwich), but Plan B always seems to involve changes players rather than changing formation. And some teams have worked out how to play against 4-3-3. Last night, a goal down in a cup competition, we replaced Yates with Cotton. Like for like. Surely we should have been looking to throw everything but the kitchen sink at Quorn, especially given some of their goalkeepers fine ball juggling skills?
I don't agree with this. Yes the 3 performances you talk of have been poor, but for all those you can pick out a good performance like Nantwich. The squad is good enough, I still haven't seen a better team than us when we are on our game. Where I do think we are short is in the middle, Camm, Sleath and Church are automatic choices and have nobody to replace them until Millson is fit. For me this has led to a bit of complacency in the 3 and needs to be addressed.
As for the formation, when everyone was calling for 4-4-2 and it was implemented at Lowestoft it was an unmitigated disaster. Last night when Weir-Daley came on we basically went 4-2-4 (admittedly for only 10 mins) it didn't really work any better than the 4-3-3.
If it where me I'd let Weir-Daley go, who has been a big name flop so far, recall Jamie Clarke and give him a place for Davidson in the front 3. I'd also get in another player who can play in the middle who can pass the ball a bit, if the funds aren't available I'd drop 1 of the middle 3 and give Cotton a run (even though this is a little out of position). Oh and the 1 player who has come out with credit from the last 3 "performances" is Yates, if we can we need to get him signed permanently.
edit: the other point I wanted to make was when we are on our game everything is obviously fine, when we are not on our game we are shocking, if we could turn these into mediocre performances and pick up draws and the odd win it would make a world of difference.
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I think what we are saying is then when fully fit and on it, our first 11 is the strongest team we have seen, but when we have an off day or need to rest one of the middle 3 then we just don't have the depth of squad to compete (something the likes of BPA etc will pip us at the post at if we don't address it.)
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If it where me I'd let Weir-Daley go, who has been a big name flop so far.
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Could someone furnish me with an explanation as to why the Club have gone out of
their way to bring in Weir-Daley a forward line player who clearly isn't fully fit,offer him
only a bench position and use him as a only a ten or fifteen minute substitute in the
games he's featured in so far ?
I am not fully aware, but i am led to believe that our player out on loan is contracted to
the Club but has been sent out as quoted by Paul Hurst (Lincs Sports Echo) 'To start
enjoying his Football again'. Give him the opportunity of doing that here at York Street,
I don't recall him being injured prior to his deal at Loughborough Dynamo apart from
his ego being a little bit bruised ! Supporters i speak with share the same opinions that
Weir-Daley is no better than what we have, but obviously Scott and Hurst have different
valuations, if that be the case play him.
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It's good to read constructive comments without the abuse I have sometimes read on here so well done everyone, thats how it should be. Interesting about the exchange of like for like(Cotton for Yates). Only last night my mate said the same thing but also included Suarez for Davidson. If a tactical change is needed how about Clark for DD or MS, oops sorry, forgot for a moment he's on loan to learn how to enjoy the game again. Surely all players want to play and get fed up being left on the bench. Butcher must be really fed up not getting a game but credit to him cos he keeps turning up. As for Tuesday, it was the best team that won. They passed the ball well and dribbled round our players like they weren't there. I thought we ought to be trying to sign a few of them. Oh well, we should be disgusted that we have no choice but to concentrate on the league so early in the cup competitions but thats the fact now so lets get on with it. I'll be there on Saturday cheering them on and relieving the stress of the week by abusing Fancy dress man. Ps We need Quorns catering at our ground, the burger and chips were great.
As for the person calling Scott names, CUT IT OUT. If you did that in the street you'd get your head knocked off.
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Think he took a detour via Belgium ;)
did indeed :)
was still shaking my head in disbelief in France.
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If a tactical change is needed how about Clark for DD or MS, oops sorry, forgot for a moment he's on loan to learn how to enjoy the game again. Butcher must be really fed up not getting a game but credit to him cos he keeps turning up.
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Just to be a little critical of your post Seeingbetter, Clarky has been sent out to start and
enjoy his football again not as you see it as enjoying the game,Hursty's words not mine.
Some supporters thought he was trying to hard to impress and they are probably right
in some respect being played out of a position as a wide man,leave those positions to
the Yates and the Cottons of the squad.
With reference to 'Butch' and credit to him he keeps turning up without getting a game,
I think as a Contract player that is part of his duty to the Club and should always be
named on the bench as reserve keeper until his opportunity to play comes along.
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Someone said earlier ..'winning breeds winning '
Well not for long at York St at the moment .. a run of victories seems to be a prequel and sequel to about 7 games without winning .
This management need to show they have ability to gain more consistency ..
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Fare comments Sparks. I was never in a goalkeepers situation but I wonder if a day may come when Butch will have to be loaned out to get match experience. Sitting on the bench all the time can't be doing him much good as far as getting that experience is concerned. I'm pleased for him that he was signed but Evans is doing a good job and I just feel for him a bit cos all players like to play, except most of last years crew that is. As you say, Butch is doing his job and we need a reserve keeper. I hope that soon, when we are beating someone 6-0 with 15 minutes to go, he will get a go. ( Perhaps this Saturday ? )
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I personally have alot of time and respect for Butch as a young man who is being very
proffesional about the situation he finds himself in here at York St. He obviously is
chomping at the bit to get a first team game but is always there with a smile on his face
helping Tommy warm up prior to the games.
He will get his opportunity I'm sure, his Father always appears to be supportive of him
and that will help in the intrim period.Tommy is a big figure to move in respect of his
experience and it would appear thats how the Management see it also.
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Just to let you know Butch is apparently doing a great job coaching goalkeepers of the future here in Lincoln for our local club. According to the club chairman all the kids love him so he is passing on his skills to the next generation.