Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Johnny Pilgrim on October 25, 2014, 05:37:54 PM
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Im normally very pro-Pilgrim in my postings,but Im afraid AFTER YET ANOTHER HOME DEFEAT,you can only come to the conclusion that we just aint good enough and even the most mild tempered fan has to make a comment like this......
We have,IMO, 3 good players....Mills,Pidge and Garner...all 100% commited to the cause...
the rest you may as well get rid of and start again...
We also HAVE NO TACTICS,apart from booting the high ball upfield and hoping for the best....Well come on,it may work every now and then BUT NOT EVERY WEEK....
We havent had a decent creative or defensive midfield player for ages....in fact we havent had a midfield all season...or last season....or the season before....
All these home defeats and a cup exit at Leak dont happen by accident....such results need to tell the Club something about either the players or the management they employ...
The true fans are getting restless,its all very well getting a new stadium but whats the point if the team is rubbish.....
Of course money is tight,it is at most non-league clubs,but we keep getting beaten by "small teams" who are technically better than us,physically stronger,more street-wise than us and have a game-plan to beat us.....
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Flashcore dynamic Conf North table indicates within 3 pts of playoffs ! . ignoring games in hand .
Certainly many samey ' mid table ' teams this yr .
That elusive area between defence and attack needs fixing . . and certainly now a call for a committed experienced goalkeeper . .
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As far as players with ability to perform at the top end of this league are concerned Southwell and Newsham are both top quality finishers - hopefully we will see the later now have a consistent run in the team and make an impact on games.
I think all will agree that midfield has been an issue all season. Dixon will hopefully be able to stay (along with Tempest) for at minimum another month and hold down a starting berth. McGhee played well last season and will hopefully be back soon? Marshall is solid in the middle. Maybe playing Felix from the start would offer a more natural attacking threat on the wing. A better quality midlfielder (at least one) should have been bought in during the summer months, either this was unaffordable or we were unable to find the right player due to not having the contacts.
Results haven't been good enough of late but I don't think we are that far off, today's performance was certainly better than against Hednesford so we are all disappointed tonight but not doom and gloom.
A top class, experienced 'keeper would be a massive boost, although not quite sure how and where we could get one at this stage of the season?
Yes today's game was re-arranged but the attendance was shocking. People of Boston need to turn up and support the team. Despite the result it wasn't a bad game to watch.
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As far as players with ability to perform at the top end of this league are concerned Southwell and Newsham are both top quality finishers - hopefully we will see the later now have a consistent run in the team and make an impact on games.
I think all will agree that midfield has been an issue all season. Dixon will hopefully be able to stay (along with Tempest) for at minimum another month and hold down a starting berth. McGhee played well last season and will hopefully be back soon? Marshall is solid in the middle. Maybe playing Felix from the start would offer a more natural attacking threat on the wing. A better quality midlfielder (at least one) should have been bought in during the summer months, either this was unaffordable or we were unable to find the right player due to not having the contacts.
Results haven't been good enough of late but I don't think we are that far off, today's performance was certainly better than against Hednesford so we are all disappointed tonight but not doom and gloom.
A top class, experienced 'keeper would be a massive boost, although not quite sure how and where we could get one at this stage of the season?
Yes today's game was re-arranged but the attendance was shocking. People of Boston need to turn up and support the team. Despite the result it wasn't a bad game to watch.
I agree Carl,todays attendance was shocking...but so have our home performances this season.....supporters obviously want to see a winning team but they are not mugs....they also want to see SOME CREATIVE FOOTBALL.....our only tactic it seems today was,once again,hoof it into the opponents penalty area and hope for the best....Just not good enough.
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Yes today's game was re-arranged but the attendance was shocking. People of Boston need to turn up and support the team. Despite the result it wasn't a bad game to watch.
People of Boston aren't stupid. When they're being asked to part with money and receiving no entertainment, players not playing football and a serious lack of response from the club, they're perfectly entitled to stop coming. I've yet to see us play convincingly for a full game since the start of the season. I hear mid table being branded around and that's being generous at best.
Why does this club find themselves having half decent managers / players one season only for them to be let them go next and for us to fall short and find ourselves with such mediocre clueless replacements. The answer is we simply can't afford to be ambitious and contract any quality that lands at this club. I think we're staring at attendances of 700, maybe lower and mid table worthless seasons if this is the new acceptable level for the club. I'm sick of being told by the club we're aiming to get out this league when obviously we aren't prepared to spend enough on decent players / managers. It's the chairmans money obviously that makes the club go on but surely the lack of investment in personnel is hurting the club with these terribly poor performances and low attendances. Put on a show and the people will eventually come out and watch us, continue with the clueless performances and people will stay away I'm sure. I'm bored to bloody death of these home games.
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Can't comment on today's game because I never went.I've lost the appetite since Den called some supporters knob heads!!! Shame he couldn't be bothered to apologise.
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Can't comment on today's game because I never went.I've lost the appetite since Den called some supporters knob heads!!! Shame he couldn't be bothered to apologise.
Were you at Anfield today calling the manager knobhead ?
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Poor result and struggled to really make an impact on the game. The fact dennis talks about today's performance being progress just about sums up how low our standards have slumped. Yes we looked solid enough and 2 errors cost us but we never looked like threatening there keeper. We lack any sort of creativity and entertainment. This has been the case for most of the season and I can fully understand why people choose to stay away.
What is the answer to the problem? It hasn't worked changing managers and the budget is low in comparison to others in the division. We as fans need to start seeing some real progression and get the buzz back around the club before we move to our new stadium.
The fans certainly deserve an apology from dennis regarding his outburst on social media. Things like this certainly won't entice fans back.
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What did the manager say? Called some fans knobheads? Gimme details....
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Den knows what he wrote and so do others!
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Surely we are not back to the old Knobhead thing again. For crying out loud give it a rest and move on and maybe, just maybe the team, manager, board , chairman etc will appreciate us "fans" once more and not think we are the knobheads which quite frankly the behavior of some lately is just that. ::) like a dog with a bone ::)
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Surely we are not back to the old Knobhead thing again. For crying out loud give it a rest and move on and maybe, just maybe the team, manager, board , chairman etc will appreciate us "fans" once more and not think we are the knobheads which quite frankly the behavior of some lately is just that. ::) like a dog with a bone ::)
Why should we move on ? The club are soon quick enough to clamp down on any misendeavours of fans. Yet when it's a member of staff it gets swept under the carpet. The club have peeved a lot of people off with this. I think the club need to wake up and realise the supporters are the make up of this club, and the true regulars are voting with there feet. Our support base is declining every couple of weeks.
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Den knows what he wrote and so do others!
He's quoted on Twitter as saying it was just banter. Worst excuse ever.
Am I the only person who thinks Garner has been very poor this season so far, you could argue the midfield isn't providing cover, but seems to get beaten to the ball a lot more...
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Den knows what he wrote and so do others!
He's quoted on Twitter as saying it was just banter. Worst excuse ever.
Am I the only person who thinks Garner has been very poor this season so far, you could argue the midfield isn't providing cover, but seems to get beaten to the ball a lot more...
Garners lack of speed has contributed to goals being conceded .
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Why should we move on ?
Because we're all adults?
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So people can act inappropriately at the club and aren't accountable ? Going to have to disagree with you on this MR W.
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I thought Garner played well today, a good defender just doesn't distribute the ball as well as Pidge and the rest of the back line at times and can be a bit guilty of hoofing the ball but tackles well and is a leader. A very good defender at this level.
As for dragging up a comment Greene made it's about time it was forgotten.
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I'm sorry to have to say this but we are all wrong about the team. I can say that with confidence because DG has said that this seasons team is stronger than last seasons and he is never wrong.
My personal view is that I agree that some, not all, of the players are not up to scratch but the chosen one has chosen them. If you were a footballer and was selected to play then you would play. I thought we were on a loser today when I saw the 'elbow' running around.
We have nothing up front that looks threatening, Jones gets up for the long high balls, which is good because that's all we play, and I hate to say it but I think Newsh has had his day, the length of time taken to get over the injury has seen to that. I would really like to see him back but time moves on.
A gate of 883, it will be hard to get back the disheartened ones.
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Den knows what he wrote and so do others!
He's quoted on Twitter as saying it was just banter. Worst excuse ever.
Am I the only person who thinks Garner has been very poor this season so far, you could argue the midfield isn't providing cover, but seems to get beaten to the ball a lot more...
TD......you probably are the only one who thinks that way about Garner,but you obviously agree on my point about our none existence midfield....Garner is one of our 3 "good players"...the others being Mills and Pidge....Garner IMO is an excellent leader and organiser and,Im sad to say......he is probably our best forward....with all the hoofing we do DG should play him upfront from the beginning of the game.
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Den knows what he wrote and so do others!
He's quoted on Twitter as saying it was just banter. Worst excuse ever.
Am I the only person who thinks Garner has been very poor this season so far, you could argue the midfield isn't providing cover, but seems to get beaten to the ball a lot more...
TD......you probably are the only one who thinks that way about Garner,but you obviously agree on my point about our none existence midfield....Garner is one of our 3 "good players"...the others being Mills and Pidge....Garner IMO is an excellent leader and organiser and,Im sad to say......he is probably our best forward....with all the hoofing we do DG should play him upfront from the beginning of the game.
Organiser!!!!! not seen one of those on or off the pitch this season . Seen Garner outpaced too many times this season , look at match vidios for limited examples .
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So people can act inappropriately at the club and aren't accountable ? Going to have to disagree with you on this MR W.
You can put those words in my mouth... doesn't mean I said them.
No, he shouldn't have typed those words - but should we really let it overshadow the actual concerns about the team?
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Why should we move on ?
Because we're all adults?
Exactly, short point but to the point ! I've called people worse in the name of banter or tongue in cheek or even where i have been peed off, but you know what...people have forgiven me ! After today, i really do feel BUFC fans ( not all ) are turning into a bunch of Victor Meldrews and the place really doesn't feel good at the moment and that not only is down to form, but to fans too.
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I like to read peoples views regarding the games, players performances and all things football about BUFC indeed I often contribute but, the majority of posts by a minority of contributors regarding anything other than football matters is a massive turn off therefore other than Kens prediction league I will not be bothering until the forum returns to football matters.
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Agreed Oxo - some of the anti Greene comments are getting pedantic at best. Yes the guy has a sense of humor and is a human being, in hindsight some of the comments may get up certain peoples backs but every word the guy says at the moment seems to be over scrutinized.
in terms of on the pitch yes results; especially at home haven't been good this season - although maybe we were slightly spoilt will the excellent home form last season. In my mind we were only out played twice against Oxford and Hednesford and on another day could have got a point against Solihull and NFU, although we were fortunate to get all three points against Barrow, my overall point being the entertainment value has still been good this season at home with the exception of the Hednesford game.
Players wise Greene has bought in Pidge, Garner, Mills, Steer, Dixon, Tempest, Southwell, Miller, McGhee and Marrs etc ALL of which are better than ANYONE Lee and especially the hapless Drury managed to bring in.
I still think we have a decent side but have struggled to get the team to gel properly due to being unable to field a regular 11 due to injuries/suspensions to key players such as Pidge, Newsh and McGhee. We haven't started the same 11 consecutively this season unlike last year and when we manage to get a run with our best 11 players out I don't see why we won't get a decent run of result and finish in the top 10 but may fall just short of the top 5 again.
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Cant be bothered to write it all again--my post under Solihull Moors--Cavalier says it all.
Hard facts--manager must be changed.
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So people can act inappropriately at the club and aren't accountable ? Going to have to disagree with you on this MR W.
You can put those words in my mouth... doesn't mean I said them.
No, he shouldn't have typed those words - but should we really let it overshadow the actual concerns about the team?
But it is certainly a contributing factor to why the atmosphere is extremely poor, obviously the performance is not helping. And this atmosphere at matches is not helping the players.
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Hard facts--manager must be changed.
I think that's actually an opinion. Calling it a fact doesn't make it one.
But it is certainly a contributing factor to why the atmosphere is extremely poor, obviously the performance is not helping. And this atmosphere at matches is not helping the players.
So why can't people choose to ignore it, and just support their team? Because it's easier to have a moan?
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I did state at the beginning of the season, a concern is that with the new stadium taking centre stage the team may suffer.
Are we in a 'mid-table' holding pattern until the stadium is built and then the club passed onto a 'supporters trust'?
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Carl at the football dinner in a few weeks ill get a few of the lads to ask to ladies behind the bar the same thing. Will that be acceptable as banter. I'm not anti DG albeit the games this year are borderline boring its just I agree with Bostonshire the manager needs to set a higher standard and that isnt
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Hard facts--manager must be changed.
I think that's actually an opinion. Calling it a fact doesn't make it one.
But it is certainly a contributing factor to why the atmosphere is extremely poor, obviously the performance is not helping. And this atmosphere at matches is not helping the players.
So why can't people choose to ignore it, and just support their team? Because it's easier to have a moan?
I do support my team, in fact I'm very encouraging during matches, as I don't believe in criticising during a match. I also don't think Greene should be booted out, he should be giving time to sort things out. But the silence from the fall out from this is says a lot about the club that we support.
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I did state at the beginning of the season, a concern is that with the new stadium taking centre stage the team may suffer.
Are we in a 'mid-table' holding pattern until the stadium is built and then the club passed onto a 'supporters trust'?
Totally agree with you, something I have said for a long time. I just hope that enough people "stick around" for when it does pass over to a trust.
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Pilgrim 86- A lot of people on here think you are a pedantic ****. Perhaps you could advise if that is an opinion or a fact! Dont bother to reply on my behalf as I am with Oxo and in future will only enter my view on the prediction league in future and let you and other deluded souls discuss inane topics.
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I just want to add that im not anti greene and why he is manager here he gets my support and so does the team. And i certainly dont think a change of manager at this point will be of benifit to the club or team. My point was that he needs to act a lot more proffesional in and around the club.
As for the game itself TBH i just thought once again we was poor althou i dont agree with the comments about light midfield on this game, i thought we battled well in the middle but we really do need to get our passing game sorted as most the team have no idea how to pass and what each other is doing. There seems to be completly no awareness throu out the team from top to bottom
I think the vast majority of fans will endorse your views on Greene , and your view as the way it should be responded to Bostonshire .
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I like to read peoples views regarding the games, players performances and all things football about BUFC indeed I often contribute but, the majority of posts by a minority of contributors regarding anything other t ;)
I think you should reconsider and continue contributing Mel . You enjoy contributing so why should you stop just because a few posters put their opinions over in an abrasive manner ? The ideal solution is for us all think before posting , any argument can be put over without using abrasive or swear words .
Your predictions are rubbish in any case :)
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The problem is people who know little about how to run a proffesional football club soon start calling for the managers head when results go the wrong way. I count myself in that brigade also by the way, chopping and changing managers is not the way forward in my opinion. I think we need to finish in the playoffs this season and if we don't I am quite happy to leave the big decisions to Mr Newton.
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Pilgrim 86- A lot of people on here think you are a pedantic ****. Perhaps you could advise if that is an opinion or a fact! Dont bother to reply on my behalf as I am with Oxo and in future will only enter my view on the prediction league in future and let you and other deluded souls discuss inane topics.
What's so precious about the prediction league?
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I remember Jason Lee being sacked due to a loss in the FA Cup against Altincham big crowd and atmosphere. Two shocking decisions for sending offs by the ref who the week after gave a ghost penalty at Man CIty the week after. A manager whose been their done it a higher level bought high standards a dress code and all the staff loved him where has all that gone are we any better off every player ate together and shook the big mans hand before leaving in their tie. Now all managers have their own style which is great however the posts of we cannot change now seems a little without substance. Just my opinion I hope we turn it round with Dg.
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I have to agree with FC, there is no professionalism with den greene, i only ever heard good reports from members of staff about Jason Lee and how he had the club running like a professional club. I am not saying i want Jason lee back but for me he was the closest to having a team that would of challenged in the play offs, he really was only two maybe three players away from having a very good team.
What annoys me is that, people really need to wake up and smell the coffee with Dennis Greene, he is certainly not all he cracks up to be, he got very lucky with last season, with how we had two goal scoring strikers who both got 20+, any manager that has two strikers that scored 20+ goals should ATLEAST finish in the play offs if not challenge for the league, we did neither. Yes it was a good season considering the disappointment of Graham Drury. But Den Greene is not a great manager, he only did well at St Neots because he had a lot of money, he doesnt have a great track record anywhere apart from st neots but like i previously stated, that was because he had a lot of money there. We went 2-1 down yesterday and then he brings on newsh and takes jonah off, we then start to panic and lump the ball forward? i am sorry but it doesnt take a genius to realise that neither newsh or southwell are going to win headers. Also we saw against leek (yes newsh isnt fully fit) but southwell and newsh cannot play up top together, no pace, no height and no physical presence. Centre backs will laugh all day all week to match day knowing they will be playing against newsh and southwell, i am sorry but this is the truth. Den does not know what to do if we are losing he panics and just tells the players to lump it forward. I thought last season i would give Den some time but the more and more i see of him and his tactics the more i feel he isnt a great manager, nearly every player that leaves hates him and are you telling me every player to leave the club has sour grapes? maybe one or two but not all, his man management is constantly questioned. He doesnt have any plan B at all and doesnt know what to do if the team goes a goal or two down, how many other teams we play against do you see stick their centre half up top when they go a goal down or just start lumping the ball? you dont see many i can tell you. We really do need somebody like rob scott to come in and try and save our season before it turns from bad to worse because we will only fall further and further behind the play off lot and then there is no way in getting back and im sorry nothing is dens fault always somebody elses or his playing budget, was it not the same last season?
I think its time something is done because its only going to get worse i am afraid. This is his team that he brought in so no excuses, i think jona is a good signing and admittedly i think the back line has looked quite good with marrs garner pidge tempest, steer and mills will work on the wings but we need two new centre midfielders, an experienced keeper and possibly one maybe two strikers because i just dont think newsh will cut it now after this injury, i am just being realistic about the situations guys.
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Some good points Swinshead Pilgrim. Jason Lee was and is a decent bloke and everyone from John Blackwell to players who left the club under him spoke very highly of Lee, his fault was sticking with Ward and Stainsfield and not bringing in a couple of centre halfs. Jason Lee often pointed to the budget for the reason why this was never rectified. We generally played decent football under Lee when he stopped playing himself and encouraged the likes of SWD, Newsh, Milnes and Ross etc to play a more pleasing style of football. Jason Lee was often questioned for being unable to bring players in and accused of not having the right contacts. Drury came in and bought in a load of "lumpers" from lower down the league and produced the worst team I have ever seen during my time supporting the club. Greene came in and to be fair bought in a couple of top class centre halfs in Pidge and Garner which we haven't had since Canners got injured and never rediscovered his form and Pearson moved on to Grimsby. Only issue since has been getting the central midfield in front of them sorted. Personally I would like to see Dixon starting as he is the most capable of partly solving the midfield fluency problem at the moment. As regards to having two 20+ scorers credit has to go to Greene for bringing Miller in last season who was nothing short of sensational. Credit has to also go for finding another in Southwell who despite being a different type of player will get 20+ barring injury, he is an intelligent play who works hard for the team and is clinical in the box. Main difference between this year and last up front is that Newsham hasn't been fit yet and we don't have the money for three top quality forwards. With Newsham back (hopefully) now I think he could partner Southwell. Both have very good footballing brains for non league players and could create chances for each other if we play the right way and don't lump the ball eight foot in the air.
Agreed that the central midfield position needs to be looked at and hopefully Dixon could make a difference if his loan deal is extended and he is started. Goalkeeper wise hopefully Lincoln lose Tue and Farman can return if not someone else with experience needs to come in ASAP.
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Pilgrim 86- A lot of people on here think you are a pedantic ****. Perhaps you could advise if that is an opinion or a fact! Dont bother to reply on my behalf as I am with Oxo and in future will only enter my view on the prediction league in future and let you and other deluded souls discuss inane topics.
What's so precious about the prediction league?
Pretty much my thoughts...surely it's the most 'inane' topic ever...
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I have to agree with FC, there is no professionalism with den greene, i only ever heard good reports from members of staff about Jason Lee and how he had the club running like a professional club. I am not saying i want Jason lee back but for me he was the closest to having a team that would of challenged in the play offs, he really was only two maybe three players away from having a very good team.
What annoys me is that, people really need to wake up and smell the coffee with Dennis Greene, he is certainly not all he cracks up to be, he got very lucky with last season, with how we had two goal scoring strikers who both got 20+, any manager that has two strikers that scored 20+ goals should ATLEAST finish in the play offs if not challenge for the league, we did neither. Yes it was a good season considering the disappointment of Graham Drury. But Den Greene is not a great manager, he only did well at St Neots because he had a lot of money, he doesnt have a great track record anywhere apart from st neots but like i previously stated, that was because he had a lot of money there. We went 2-1 down yesterday and then he brings on newsh and takes jonah off, we then start to panic and lump the ball forward? i am sorry but it doesnt take a genius to realise that neither newsh or southwell are going to win headers. Also we saw against leek (yes newsh isnt fully fit) but southwell and newsh cannot play up top together, no pace, no height and no physical presence. Centre backs will laugh all day all week to match day knowing they will be playing against newsh and southwell, i am sorry but this is the truth. Den does not know what to do if we are losing he panics and just tells the players to lump it forward. I thought last season i would give Den some time but the more and more i see of him and his tactics the more i feel he isnt a great manager, nearly every player that leaves hates him and are you telling me every player to leave the club has sour grapes? maybe one or two but not all, his man management is constantly questioned. He doesnt have any plan B at all and doesnt know what to do if the team goes a goal or two down, how many other teams we play against do you see stick their centre half up top when they go a goal down or just start lumping the ball? you dont see many i can tell you. We really do need somebody like rob scott to come in and try and save our season before it turns from bad to worse because we will only fall further and further behind the play off lot and then there is no way in getting back and im sorry nothing is dens fault always somebody elses or his playing budget, was it not the same last season?
I think its time something is done because its only going to get worse i am afraid. This is his team that he brought in so no excuses, i think jona is a good signing and admittedly i think the back line has looked quite good with marrs garner pidge tempest, steer and mills will work on the wings but we need two new centre midfielders, an experienced keeper and possibly one maybe two strikers because i just dont think newsh will cut it now after this injury, i am just being realistic about the situations guys.
Some good comments but take issue with call for Rob Scott , remember Rob,s conflicts with fans ?
Also Rob was a advocate of hoofball and seemed unable to produce a good plan B , seemed unable to play other than 442 . and this continued at Grimsby . We fell lucky with Rob and Paul as they were able to bring an almost full squad of players with proven play-off pedigree assembled by Houldsworth at Ilkeston .
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Hurst and Scott worked well as a team both here and at Ilkeston but I thought that it was always Hurst that had the more tactical viewpoint whereas Scott was the ranter and raver. i don't think that Scott would work on his own.
At this moment, i think that some one Greene's actions (mainly the "knobhead-gate") are not befitting of the role of Manager of BUFC. If there was a retraction and apology then i agree that we can say that it was a misjudgment and we can move on. But, correct me if i am wrong here, this has not occurred and i think those who are unhappy with that action are more than entitled to refer to it. As for the incident brought up in this thread about the bar, i am not going to comment as i don't know the context of such a comment.
More important are the matters on the pitch. Last year we didn't get lucky with 2 20+ centre forwards. We scouted players and brought in players the manager thought could do that role and it worked. Also, i believe that it wasn't until after Christmas that miller really hit his straps and it was at this time that Newsh dropped off and got injured. Before Christmas it was Newsh who was scoring for fun and miller playing the support act.
Before the season, i thought that we would finish 12th as i didn't think that the squad looked balanced and was particularly worried about the forward line. this appears to have not been that wide of the mark, despite Southwell stepping up to the mark with his goals so far.
The most worrying thing is the fact that we chop and change so much, not only personnel but formation. This is not the hallmarks of a promotion chasing team. At the end of the day, we concede too many goals (whether that is down to the keeper, defence, midfield cover or a combination of the both), the midfield is lacking potency and the hoofball isn't suited to the players we have.
Things aren't right at the moment but are no worse than i expected with the side assembled in august and assumed loan support. They are however below the standards we should aspire to be. We won't compete with the new riches of the teams from the North West coast but we should be competitive, especially at home. We currently are not.
This is the most important thing about retaining crowds. They not only look at table position but on home performances. If we were 8th but had an unbeaten home record then the crowds will be higher than if we were in the same position with a terrible home record and unbeaten away from York Street.
At the moment i would give Greene time (Christmas) but if there is no progress at all (or worse and we are looking over our shoulders) then action may need to be taken. I want him to succeed and think that he will, but the team have to be better than they currently are.
As for the sacking of Lee, I was at Gloucester for his last game in the league (about a month after the unlucky defeat to Alty in the cup that was referred to) and that was one of the most inept and tactically clueless performances that i have had the misfortune to have seen. It was inevitable that he had to go at that stage but Drury was even worse thereafter.
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We are a Northern league team, and as such should have a manager that is au fait with the northern football fraternity, someone who should know what a northern orientated football club requires. But, alas, we are stuck with a Southern league manager who seems to only look to the south for his players - loans excluded.
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Hurst and Scott worked well as a team both here and at Ilkeston but I thought that it was always Hurst that had the more tactical viewpoint whereas Scott was the ranter and raver. i don't think that Scott would work on his own.
At this moment, i think that some one Greene's actions (mainly the "knobhead-gate") are not befitting of the role of Manager of BUFC. If there was a retraction and apology then i agree that we can say that it was a misjudgment and we can move on. But, correct me if i am wrong here, this has not occurred and i think those who are unhappy with that action are more than entitled to refer to it. As for the incident brought up in this thread about the bar, i am not going to comment as i don't know the context of such a comment.
More important are the matters on the pitch. Last year we didn't get lucky with 2 20+ centre forwards. We scouted players and brought in players the manager thought could do that role and it worked. Also, i believe that it wasn't until after Christmas that miller really hit his straps and it was at this time that Newsh dropped off and got injured. Before Christmas it was Newsh who was scoring for fun and miller playing the support act.
Before the season, i thought that we would finish 12th as i didn't think that the squad looked balanced and was particularly worried about the forward line. this appears to have not been that wide of the mark, despite Southwell stepping up to the mark with his goals so far.
The most worrying thing is the fact that we chop and change so much, not only personnel but formation. This is not the hallmarks of a promotion chasing team. At the end of the day, we concede too many goals (whether that is down to the keeper, defence, midfield cover or a combination of the both), the midfield is lacking potency and the hoofball isn't suited to the players we have.
Things aren't right at the moment but are no worse than i expected with the side assembled in august and assumed loan support. They are however below the standards we should aspire to be. We won't compete with the new riches of the teams from the North West coast but we should be competitive, especially at home. We currently are not.
This is the most important thing about retaining crowds. They not only look at table position but on home performances. If we were 8th but had an unbeaten home record then the crowds will be higher than if we were in the same position with a terrible home record and unbeaten away from York Street.
At the moment i would give Greene time (Christmas) but if there is no progress at all (or worse and we are looking over our shoulders) then action may need to be taken. I want him to succeed and think that he will, but the team have to be better than they currently are.
As for the sacking of Lee, I was at Gloucester for his last game in the league (about a month after the unlucky defeat to Alty in the cup that was referred to) and that was one of the most inept and tactically clueless performances that i have had the misfortune to have seen. It was inevitable that he had to go at that stage but Drury was even worse thereafter.
Difficult to disagree with any of the above contents . As the last paragraph demonstrates sacking a manager does not mean you are sure the next one will be better . Unless ofcause those calling for the managers sack know a formula to select one that is sure to be better .
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We are a Northern league team, and as such should have a manager that is au fait with the northern football fraternity, someone who should know what a northern orientated football club requires. But, alas, we are stuck with a Southern league manager who seems to only look to the south for his players - loans excluded.
as far as I know only Rene Steer is London based.
cant see getting a "northern" manager would help.
DG lives in Boston!
New Keeper is heading south from Scotland.
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Also i disagree about this "Northern" ethos as it is not really that "northern" anymore with 9 of 21 teams (not including us) in the division being geographically level with us or below (teams like Lowestoft, Oxford, Brackley, Gloucester etc. are hardly the stereotypcial big northern lumps).
We need to build a team to get out of the league that faces us now, not the NPL form the 70s.
however, saying that, i think that we need to rejig the midfield to get a balance between creativity and solidity but that is applicable no matter where you play
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Northern, Midfield, Knob-heads... lets not hide from the fact that these are just the latest in a long line of smokescreen items hiding the fact that the good people of the patter simply love a bloody good moan.
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Northern, Midfield, Knob-heads... lets not hide from the fact that these are just the latest in a long line of smokescreen items hiding the fact that the good people of the patter simply love a bloody good moan.
And why not have a good old moan when there's nothing much else happening to comment on!!!! :)
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I think we can be too quick to move a Manager on. I think Greene should be given until the end of the season to prove his worth. It seems to be a modern day thing to ship managers in and out on the back of a couple of dodgy results. You only have to look at Leeds.
As for those saying it wouldnt have happened with Evans in charge. Some people have very short memories.
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Maybe we could start a 'what I would do with BUFC if I won 100million on the Euro lottery ' thread .. 8)
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Maybe we could start a 'what I would do with BUFC if I won 100million on the Euro lottery ' thread .. 8)
That's too much like trying to escape this league - wishful thinking.
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the most worrying thing is that we are gradually getting worse.
August average points per game = 1.83 over a season would be 77 points and the playoffs
September average points per game = 1.40 over a season would be 59 points and mid table
Octobers average points per game = 1.00 over a season would be 42 points and relegation ?
November ?, Flyde, Chorley could be less than a point per game
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Saying about shipping a manager out too quickly? I agree with that if you are getting some bad results but the team is giving hundred percent and you are in close fought games but we are not at the minute the last two home games we have probably had 2 shots altogether!
Also people saying it will be fine when newsh is back, I for one don't think it will, I'm willing to apologise and say I'm wrong but newsh and Southwell will not work together and it will be very frustrating to watch
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Leave Den as manager! The patter would be boring without him!!!!
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Not just Newsham but McGhee will be a big bonus when fully fit. We have been missing someone to take a decent free kick without him, has the work rate and posses an attacking threat unlike alot of our midfielders.
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McGhee is our biggest miss, I think.
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A touch ironic when people are moaning about other people moaning and more so when some are still moaning about DG moaning about them! :)
Even at our level managers have to be mindful of what they say when and to whom and even from last years shennaingans DG appears to not grasp that fact and the surest way to alienate supporters is to try and continually deflect things as he has a penchant to do.
That aside we cant , shouldn't even consider sacking him, what purpose would that solve, but equally and he won't need telling, what the team, what his team has shown thus far is way behind expectations which of course cheeses everyone off including Den and worryingly it would appear for BUFC fans generally.
Crowds have dwindled alarmingly from the 1200's, 1100's the 1000's, 900's and Saturday even the 800's which i am afraid reflects directly on what they see on the pitch.
The return of Newsh tho welcome won't change things as he's weeks a way from being at the top of his game. The defence is all over the place, the midfield unsettled and disjointed and in too many matches we just don't look like scoring never mind winning so it's inevitable the moaning, largely justified, will unfortunately continue.
We just have to ride the storm and hope they do but with our next three fixtures its not going to be easy. Six points, even seven though and everyone will feel a lot happier. Fingers crossed that's what happens
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A touch ironic when people are moaning about other people moaning and more so when some are still moaning about DG moaning about them! :)
Even at our level managers have to be mindful of what they say when and to whom and even from last years shennaingans DG appears to not grasp that fact and the surest way to alienate supporters is to try and continually deflect things as he has a penchant to do.
That aside we cant , shouldn't even consider sacking him, what purpose would that solve, but equally and he won't need telling, what the team, what his team has shown thus far is way behind expectations which of course cheeses everyone off including Den and worryingly it would appear for BUFC fans generally.
Crowds have dwindled alarmingly from the 1200's, 1100's the 1000's, 900's and Saturday even the 800's which i am afraid reflects directly on what they see on the pitch.
The return of Newsh tho welcome won't change things as he's weeks a way from being at the top of his game. The defence is all over the place, the midfield unsettled and disjointed and in too many matches we just don't look like scoring never mind winning so it's inevitable the moaning, largely justified, will unfortunately continue.
We just have to ride the storm and hope they do but with our next three fixtures its not going to be easy. Six points, even seven though and everyone will feel a lot happier. Fingers crossed that's what happens
Welcome to the happy clappers BG :-*
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I think we can be too quick to move a Manager on. I think Greene should be given until the end of the season to prove his worth. It seems to be a modern day thing to ship managers in and out on the back of a couple of dodgy results. You only have to look at Leeds.
As for those saying it wouldnt have happened with Evans in charge. Some people have very short memories.
Totally agree with this post, give him this season..as for Leeds...HAWHAWHAW!!!
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keep this manager until the bulldozers move in then get rid I say.
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Can't wait to see the posts on here after today's game, which I expect us to lose. Should make good reading if anyone can be bothered to write one.
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We were today
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Confidence flowing throughout the team wonder why? Probably the new keeper????
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Can't wait to see the posts on here after today's game, which I expect us to lose. Should make good reading if anyone can be bothered to write one.
Oops.
Confidence flowing throughout the team wonder why? Probably the new keeper????
Having a proper tackler in the middle of midfield, with the change to 4-3-3 worked. Zak Mills was my MotM.
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Agree with Zak Mills as Motm
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Thought we played 442 today not 442. Tempest left, Garns plus Dixon in the middle and Felix on the right.
Mills, Steer and Pidge all played very well today.
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Thought we played 442 today not 442. Tempest left, Garns plus Dixon in the middle and Felix on the right.
Garner in the middle, Dixon to his right, Tempest to his left. Felix and Southwell ran the channels with Jones in the middle.
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Greene also described the formation as a 442 during his interview :P Having Tempest and Dixon for free till after Christmas is a major coup and could help us go on a decent run. Tempest has a brilliant left foot and has set up several good assists from that side already whilst Dixon provides the balance between work rate, getting stuck in and quality on the ball that the likes of Meadows, Dowie, and Marrs when playing in that position weren't able to.
Also Greene apologies to the fans who were offended by the comment made a few weeks back. Those offended (don't class myself in that catergory as the comment was no different to the jovial comments made elsewhere on social media by Greene) need to forget this now, and hopefully we can all move on United and the support from the terraces can intimidate the away team not the home team as it did yesterday. Anyone interested the interview is on the official site and youtube.
Move on to the Chorley games now and hopefully we can get 4 points from the two games before the derby game.
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Agree totally Carl. We must move on and get behind Den and the team. Decent atmosphere yesterday and it helped the lads certainly the young ones like Felix who was terrific yesterday.
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Well i got to say i was gob smacked yesterday, I was left at the end of the game thinking where the heck did that come from.
I always said whiles we had Gardner and pidge at back our back line was full of goodness but was far to slow. The answere was already in the team and we never noticed before. Watching Zac play there he looked better than he did anywhere else. Gardner moving in the middle was a master stroke this turned the midfield into a good unit that was able to battle and hold the ball at ease.
Cant say to much about MOTM cus to fair there was so many players that could have got it and pidge was one of them. Finally we got to see what Den can see in felix they just didnt have a answere for him.
Dont know wether anything has been said at the club in regards to the comments Greene made but yesterday the players came out and really looked happy, the club just had a better feel around it so what ever happened ill give it the phumbs up and agree with Carl, time to put it behind us and move on
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Dont know wether anything has been said at the club in regards to the comments Greene made but yesterday the players came out and really looked happy
I don't think player morale has ever been an issue since Drury left when senior players such as Ian Ross slated his poor tactics and style of play.
Farman talked about the team spirit and the players love for the game at Boston during his interview with Radio Lincolnshire before the game yesterday.
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Dont know wether anything has been said at the club in regards to the comments Greene made but yesterday the players came out and really looked happy
I don't think player morale has ever been an issue since Drury left when senior players such as Ian Ross slated his poor tactics and style of play.
Farman talked about the team spirit and the players love for the game at Boston during his interview with Radio Lincolnshire before the game yesterday.
Not heard the interview, was it a swipe at his parent club, who seem to have an issue running through their core. They've not adapted to life in the non league well and until they do will continue to bounce from squad rebuild to squad rebuild without troubling the top.
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You only have to see how many of the players celebrate each goal to illustrate the team spirit. Garner celebrated Pidge's goals yesterday like he'd scored them himself.