Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Winging It on October 11, 2014, 03:52:08 PM
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Sounds like we will have Mark Jones back , on loan from Spalding after todays game. If this is true, will be a good signing for us.
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Sounds like we will have Mark Jones back , on loan from Spalding after todays game. If this is true, will be a good signing for us.
Anyone moving the other way ?
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Sounds like we will have Mark Jones back , on loan from Spalding after todays game. If this is true, will be a good signing for us.
Anyone moving the other way ?
Not from us, sounds like they are moving for Jordan Nuttell from Boston Town.
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Marshall ?
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Marshall ?
Half the team as a trade in would be good at the mo
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Plus manager
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Is signing a player who,s been on the bench of a team 2 leagues lower than us the answer ?
Mark failed at Trinity , Only Jason Lee seemed capable of getting goals out of him .
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Is signing a player who,s been on the bench of a team 2 leagues lower than us the answer ?
Mark failed at Trinity , Only Jason Lee seemed capable of getting goals out of him .
Can it be much worse than our last 3 games
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Sanders?
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Sanders?
Okay ya got me on that one
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Is signing a player who,s been on the bench of a team 2 leagues lower than us the answer ?
Mark failed at Trinity , Only Jason Lee seemed capable of getting goals out of him .
I think DG has been after him for a while, he rejected us in the summer. A loan move means Jones keeps the same weekly wage, a transfer would surely mean a wage cut!
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Is signing a player who,s been on the bench of a team 2 leagues lower than us the answer ?
Mark failed at Trinity , Only Jason Lee seemed capable of getting goals out of him .
I think DG has been after him for a while, he rejected us in the summer. A loan move means Jones keeps the same weekly wage, a transfer would surely mean a wage cut!
I think more news will emerge in the next few days .
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Jonah split opinion when he was here last and I was one of those who neither disliked him nor raved about him.
Neither Lee or Drury made him their first choice
Wentnto GT on a silly contract but worryingly they too were glad to get him off the payroll and tho there may be reasons we aren't privvy to being a sub in the NPL South hardly inspires does it. Please prove me wrong but am afraid not for me unless its a short term deal until Newsh gets fit
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Jonah split opinion when he was here last and I was one of those who neither disliked him nor raved about him.
Neither Lee or Drury made him their first choice
Wentnto GT on a silly contract but worryingly they too were glad to get him off the payroll and tho there may be reasons we aren't privvy to being a sub in the NPL South hardly inspires does it. Please prove me wrong but am afraid not for me unless its a short term deal until Newsh gets fit
Liked what I saw first time, can't forgive leaving for greener grass.
When he played for Tinpoty against us he was awful.
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Jonah split opinion when he was here last and I was one of those who neither disliked him nor raved about him.
Neither Lee or Drury made him their first choice
Wentnto GT on a silly contract but worryingly they too were glad to get him off the payroll and tho there may be reasons we aren't privvy to being a sub in the NPL South hardly inspires does it. Please prove me wrong but am afraid not for me unless its a short term deal until Newsh gets fit
Liked what I saw first time, can't forgive leaving for greener grass.
When he played for Tinpoty against us he was awful.
He was only like me and you. if your gonna get cash thrown at you your gonna take it
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Liked what I saw first time, can't forgive leaving for greener grass.
Really ??? Your telling me during your lifetime you wouldn't take a better offer if it came up ?!! Don't see the point of holding grudges, he done what any one of us would have done and i welcome him back and hope he proves the knobheads wrong :bunny
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Think we will be getting neck ache from the high balls being launched up field with this desperate signing.
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NOT a good choice he's way off match fitness, and we have not got a player the like's of ROSS to feed him.
I think SPALDING have pulled a fast one, I just cannot get my head round this one.
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Liked what I saw first time, can't forgive leaving for greener grass.
Really ??? Your telling me during your lifetime you wouldn't take a better offer if it came up ?!! Don't see the point of holding grudges, he done what any one of us would have done and i welcome him back and hope he proves the knobheads wrong :bunny
Maybe I would, but if I made my bed, I'd understand if others wanted me to lie in it. I'm also not sure throwing another striker at it is the answer to our problems. Time will tell.
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NOT a good choice he's way off match fitness, and we have not got a player the like's of ROSS to feed him.
I think SPALDING have pulled a fast one, I just cannot get my head round this one.
Spalding have made some big mistakes recently miele , a few days ago they were silly enough to lety your hero Peter Bore go :) what did your grandad think to that ?
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Think we will be getting neck ache from the high balls being launched up field with this desperate signing.
We are getting neck ache watching high balls going to small strikers .
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According to my son in law who supports Stamford but lives I'm Spalding, Jonah has missed a good few games through injury and needs to get match fit!
In principle we all understand that but i have to say I cant remember any examples of players being loaned to a team two leagues above them to get it!
If the manager of Spalding doesn't want to play him in his team why should we. A strange one, a bit like loaning Newsh to say Nortampton to get his match fitness
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Does it matter where the players come from? Surely what matters is how the player performs for us.
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Does it matter where the players come from? Surely what matters is how the player performs for us.
It shouldn't but it does! :-* :bunny
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Does it matter where the players come from? Surely what matters is how the player performs for us.
It shouldn't but it does! :-* :bunny
Why does it matter? The 16 who are picked to start or on the bench next week are Boston United players.
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I am told SPALDING turned down the chance to take SANDERS and opted to take JORDAN NUTTELL to replace JONES.
strange things are happening if true.
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Jonah split opinion when he was here last and I was one of those who neither disliked him nor raved about him.
Neither Lee or Drury made him their first choice
Wentnto GT on a silly contract but worryingly they too were glad to get him off the payroll and tho there may be reasons we aren't privvy to being a sub in the NPL South hardly inspires does it. Please prove me wrong but am afraid not for me unless its a short term deal until Newsh gets fit
Trinity offered him a better deal than he was on at BUFC, and a contract. He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT. He will cost Boston a fair amount, but probably no more than your current established players.
However, taking unfit players from lower league teams smacks of desperation- DG must be feeling the pressure
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Jonah split opinion when he was here last and I was one of those who neither disliked him nor raved about him.
Neither Lee or Drury made him their first choice
Wentnto GT on a silly contract but worryingly they too were glad to get him off the payroll and tho there may be reasons we aren't privvy to being a sub in the NPL South hardly inspires does it. Please prove me wrong but am afraid not for me unless its a short term deal until Newsh gets fit
Trinity offered him a better deal than he was on at BUFC, and a contract. He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT. He will cost Boston a fair amount, but probably no more than your current established players.
However, taking unfit players from lower league teams smacks of desperation- DG must be feeling the pressure
Depends what we are paying, A lot of loan deals are split wages
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He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT.
Are we to take this as gospel, or as you just guessing?
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He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT.
Are we to take this as gospel, or as you just guessing?
take it as gospel
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He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT.
Are we to take this as gospel, or as you just guessing?
take it as gospel
This Gospel everyone is talking about, can he play in midfield and does he have a foot like a traction engine?
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He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT.
Are we to take this as gospel, or as you just guessing?
take it as gospel
What documentation did you see to obtain these facts ?
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Always rated Jonah, welcome back and good luck. :dan
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Happy to see him back but where's the service going to come from ? Unless changes in midfield are made all the forwards will be feeding off is desperate long punts up the pitch. Good luck Jona.
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He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT.
Are we to take this as gospel, or as you just guessing?
take it as gospel
What documentation did you see to obtain these facts ?
He's either an accountant for both clubs (he isn't), or he's just guessing...
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pleased to see jones back, hope he gets fit and starts to enjoy his football again as i felt last time he still had a lot to offer. No doubt we find somewhere else to play him than upfront :o
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He was still on less than most of Boston's team at that time, and Spalding paid for him, and improved his terms when they took him from GT.
Are we to take this as gospel, or as you just guessing?
take it as gospel
What documentation did you see to obtain these facts ?
He's either an accountant for both clubs (he isn't), or he's just guessing...
BUFc's accounts are for public scrutiny. (as an Internet troll you will know where to look)
Huge losses over the period, would suggest a wage bill of at least £8k per week. It doesn't need Sherlock Holmes to deduce that the £80 per week Jones was getting, would make him one of Boston's lower paid players.
Peter Swan signed Jones for Trinity (seemingly without the managers input) and paid him (up to)£350 per week, and gave him a contract.
At the end of the season the chairman left, and the new board cut costs and wages, which left Jones as Trinity's highest paid player.
Spalding, splashing the cash, offered him a better deal than his current deal to entice him to drop a couple or three divisions.
All of which is well documented in local press. (but you already knew that)
As you don't know me, you have no idea what I do for a living
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The summaries are for public scrutiny, but not the individual payments (especially per staff member). Where did you get the £80 a week figure from? And this £8,000 a week total? Are you not trolling on here yourself with this 'info'?
Huge losses are not always because of high wages. The main financial outlays for BUFC are ground rent and ground maintenance (necessary for the safety certificate), probably totalling a similar amount for the wage bill. I would expect at that time, that Trinity's main outlay was indeed the playing budget, due to enticing several players to the club
I notice you put the "up to" in your sentence, which indicates a lack of certainty (also you misspelt your former Chairman's surname - says a lot?)
The press will know nothing for certain - the only people to know will be the player (and he can then disclose it if he wishes), the manager, the chairman, directors and whoever does the payroll/tax - at clubs our size this will be by an accountant.
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The summaries are for public scrutiny, but not the individual payments (especially per staff member). Where did you get the £80 a week figure from? And this £8,000 a week total? Are you not trolling on here yourself with this 'info'?
Huge losses are not always because of high wages. The main financial outlays for BUFC are ground rent and ground maintenance (necessary for the safety certificate), probably totalling a similar amount for the wage bill. I would expect at that time, that Trinity's main outlay was indeed the playing budget, due to enticing several players to the club
I notice you put the "up to" in your sentence, which indicates a lack of certainty (also you misspelt your former Chairman's surname - says a lot?)
The press will know nothing for certain - the only people to know will be the player (and he can then disclose it if he wishes), the manager, the chairman, directors and whoever does the payroll/tax - at clubs our size this will be by an accountant.
What a poor response
Your Trolling is pretty pathetic. Ground rent etc, is pre determined and is accounted for. Therefore any losses are almost always due to overpaying players.
Jones' wages were "up to" because they included bonuses, appearance money etc (yes I was privy to that information)
The local press present facts reported to them ( they don't want to suffer the fallout from potential litigation) and have sources on hand- to suggest otherwise is naive
Trinity's wage bill was covered by the chairman at that time, much reduced from Brian Little's time, but Jones' £80 per week was well reported in local press.
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If I'm reading Steelihat's post correctly, then he's just made a point about Boston's losses being down to us overpaying players. Pot? Kettle? Black?
How is Jamie Yates these days?
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Dont like players coming back in circumstances like this.
Never has worked in the past, and unlikely to this time either.
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NOW we can see why SPALDING wanted to offload JONA, who's this guy WAUMSLEY they have scoring for fun.
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The summaries are for public scrutiny, but not the individual payments (especially per staff member). Where did you get the £80 a week figure from? And this £8,000 a week total? Are you not trolling on here yourself with this 'info'?
Huge losses are not always because of high wages. The main financial outlays for BUFC are ground rent and ground maintenance (necessary for the safety certificate), probably totalling a similar amount for the wage bill. I would expect at that time, that Trinity's main outlay was indeed the playing budget, due to enticing several players to the club
I notice you put the "up to" in your sentence, which indicates a lack of certainty (also you misspelt your former Chairman's surname - says a lot?)
The press will know nothing for certain - the only people to know will be the player (and he can then disclose it if he wishes), the manager, the chairman, directors and whoever does the payroll/tax - at clubs our size this will be by an accountant.
What a poor response
Your Trolling is pretty pathetic. Ground rent etc, is pre determined and is accounted for. Therefore any losses are almost always due to overpaying players.
Jones' wages were "up to" because they included bonuses, appearance money etc (yes I was privy to that information)
The local press present facts reported to them ( they don't want to suffer the fallout from potential litigation) and have sources on hand- to suggest otherwise is naive
Trinity's wage bill was covered by the chairman at that time, much reduced from Brian Little's time, but Jones' £80 per week was well reported in local press.
So can you please tell me how YOU have access to players' weekly ages. Not the press, YOU. Present facts, don't use terms like "almost always" - it's still a guess!
The press use words like "reported" for a reason - because they haven't seen the pay packets first hand, and rely on educated guess. The only recent example of accurate wage reporting I can think of is the outcome of the Scott & Hurst court case, against Grimsby Town. The court awarded BUFC compensation based on their contracts' salaries (as was written in their contracts), and the amount was disclosed (http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Refusal-agent-key-factor-case/story-15532852-detail/story.html).
Trinity actively outbid other clubs for players - doesn't matter if this was covered by the Chairman at that time (good job it was!). Your biggest outlay then was the playing budget. For BUFC, it isn't. You cannot model BUFC's financial status just on what happened at Trinity.
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Oh dear Steelihat, you've upset Pedantic Pete. This could go on for months. ask Burgh Boy.
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The summaries are for public scrutiny, but not the individual payments (especially per staff member). Where did you get the £80 a week figure from? And this £8,000 a week total? Are you not trolling on here yourself with this 'info'?
Huge losses are not always because of high wages. The main financial outlays for BUFC are ground rent and ground maintenance (necessary for the safety certificate), probably totalling a similar amount for the wage bill. I would expect at that time, that Trinity's main outlay was indeed the playing budget, due to enticing several players to the club
I notice you put the "up to" in your sentence, which indicates a lack of certainty (also you misspelt your former Chairman's surname - says a lot?)
The press will know nothing for certain - the only people to know will be the player (and he can then disclose it if he wishes), the manager, the chairman, directors and whoever does the payroll/tax - at clubs our size this will be by an accountant.
What a poor response
Your Trolling is pretty pathetic. Ground rent etc, is pre determined and is accounted for. Therefore any losses are almost always due to overpaying players.
Jones' wages were "up to" because they included bonuses, appearance money etc (yes I was privy to that information)
The local press present facts reported to them ( they don't want to suffer the fallout from potential litigation) and have sources on hand- to suggest otherwise is naive
Trinity's wage bill was covered by the chairman at that time, much reduced from Brian Little's time, but Jones' £80 per week was well reported in local press.
You can soon bring this debate to an end Steeli , show us the documentation as requested . Don,t know what job you are in but you should know better than take at face value everything you read in the press . Put proof on here for P86 to see then the debate is finished .
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NOW we can see why SPALDING wanted to offload JONA, who's this guy WAUMSLEY they have scoring for fun.
Former Boston youth teamer and local lad from the Deepings. He's one to watch for the future, am sure the scout is aware. But all due respect, Jona is proven at this level, young Waumsley is not.
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I'm with Pilgrim 86 and Green Hats Mate on this one. I don't think it's pedantic at all within the context of this thread to ask for something to back up Steelihats claims. Anyone can start chucking figures around, with the only evidence to back it up being "I'm in the know".
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Does anyone know what the highest paid player gets paid at Boston Utd and the average wage overall?
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Does anyone know what the highest paid player gets paid at Boston Utd and the average wage overall?
John Blackwell, David Newton and Neil Kempster,
All other figures are guesses
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2PICK what's the name of boston's scout pl. and du he get paid ?
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The summaries are for public scrutiny, but not the individual payments (especially per staff member). Where did you get the £80 a week figure from? And this £8,000 a week total? Are you not trolling on here yourself with this 'info'?
Huge losses are not always because of high wages. The main financial outlays for BUFC are ground rent and ground maintenance (necessary for the safety certificate), probably totalling a similar amount for the wage bill. I would expect at that time, that Trinity's main outlay was indeed the playing budget, due to enticing several players to the club
I notice you put the "up to" in your sentence, which indicates a lack of certainty (also you misspelt your former Chairman's surname - says a lot?)
The press will know nothing for certain - the only people to know will be the player (and he can then disclose it if he wishes), the manager, the chairman, directors and whoever does the payroll/tax - at clubs our size this will be by an accountant.
What a poor response
Your Trolling is pretty pathetic. Ground rent etc, is pre determined and is accounted for. Therefore any losses are almost always due to overpaying players.
Jones' wages were "up to" because they included bonuses, appearance money etc (yes I was privy to that information)
The local press present facts reported to them ( they don't want to suffer the fallout from potential litigation) and have sources on hand- to suggest otherwise is naive
Trinity's wage bill was covered by the chairman at that time, much reduced from Brian Little's time, but Jones' £80 per week was well reported in local press.
Nice posting, Steelihat. :bunny
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Does anyone know what the highest paid player gets paid at Boston Utd and the average wage overall?
John Blackwell, David Newton and Neil Kempster,
All other figures are guesses
Perhaps, but £500 a week for a part time player seems a bit excessive.
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Does anyone know what the highest paid player gets paid at Boston Utd and the average wage overall?
John Blackwell, David Newton and Neil Kempster,
All other figures are guesses
Perhaps, but £500 a week for a part time player seems a bit excessive.
I am not privy to payments but I would doubt very much if any player is on £500.....
You would have to go back to the league days and poss just after (dregs) for that kind of money
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2PICK what's the name of boston's scout pl. and du he get paid ?
Unsure of his name MIELE.
And I haven't a clue if he gets paid. He won't do it for nothing, his ex's must be a few quid
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Does anyone know what the highest paid player gets paid at Boston Utd and the average wage overall?
John Blackwell, David Newton and Neil Kempster,
All other figures are guesses
Perhaps, but £500 a week for a part time player seems a bit excessive.
I am not privy to payments but I would doubt very much if any player is on £500.....
You would have to go back to the league days and poss just after (dregs) for that kind of money
They were my thoughts until was told otherwise recently, but spending 6 weeks in the Far East isn't cheap;-) Perhaps not basic wage but with appearance and bonuses £500 a week is achievable.
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The summaries are for public scrutiny, but not the individual payments (especially per staff member). Where did you get the £80 a week figure from? And this £8,000 a week total? Are you not trolling on here yourself with this 'info'?
Huge losses are not always because of high wages. The main financial outlays for BUFC are ground rent and ground maintenance (necessary for the safety certificate), probably totalling a similar amount for the wage bill. I would expect at that time, that Trinity's main outlay was indeed the playing budget, due to enticing several players to the club
I notice you put the "up to" in your sentence, which indicates a lack of certainty (also you misspelt your former Chairman's surname - says a lot?)
The press will know nothing for certain - the only people to know will be the player (and he can then disclose it if he wishes), the manager, the chairman, directors and whoever does the payroll/tax - at clubs our size this will be by an accountant.
What a poor response
Your Trolling is pretty pathetic. Ground rent etc, is pre determined and is accounted for. Therefore any losses are almost always due to overpaying players.
Jones' wages were "up to" because they included bonuses, appearance money etc (yes I was privy to that information)
The local press present facts reported to them ( they don't want to suffer the fallout from potential litigation) and have sources on hand- to suggest otherwise is naive
Trinity's wage bill was covered by the chairman at that time, much reduced from Brian Little's time, but Jones' £80 per week was well reported in local press.
You can soon bring this debate to an end Steeli , show us the documentation as requested . Don,t know what job you are in but you should know better than take at face value everything you read in the press . Put proof on here for P86 to see then the debate is finished .
Not surprisingly it looks as though Steeli has conceded defeat to P86 on this one . To back his claims Steeli would have had to have seen the contracts of all of BUFC players , most unlikely !!!!!!
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Does anyone know what the highest paid player gets paid at Boston Utd and the average wage overall?
John Blackwell, David Newton and Neil Kempster,
All other figures are guesses
Perhaps, but £500 a week for a part time player seems a bit excessive.
I am not privy to payments but I would doubt very much if any player is on £500.....
You would have to go back to the league days and poss just after (dregs) for that kind of money
They were my thoughts until was told otherwise recently, but spending 6 weeks in the Far East isn't cheap;-) Perhaps not basic wage but with appearance and bonuses £500 a week is achievable.
Probably sitting on the back of a camel all day is cheaper than sat in a car all day down John Adams Way with the engine running ???
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Without knowing exact details Pidge and garner will be our highest earners, maybe £400,give or take. Newsh would be next am guessing well would be if fit and the rest between £80/90 for the youngsters and up to £200/250 for the rest.
Compare that to the barrows, harrogates and Fyldes of this world and you can see the problem DG has. Their budgets are alleged to be in the region of £15k and £20k +
Even the Tamworth's the ferribys appear by the players they have signes to have budgets probably double even as much nas treble ours.
That said we have something to offer that they dont......we're ba proper football club? ;D
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Without knowing exact details Pidge and garner will be our highest earners, maybe £400,give or take. Newsh would be next am guessing well would be if fit and the rest between £80/90 for the youngsters and up to £200/250 for the rest.
Compare that to the barrows, harrogates and Fyldes of this world and you can see the problem DG has. Their budgets are alleged to be in the region of £15k and £20k +
Even the Tamworth's the ferribys appear by the players they have signes to have budgets probably double even as much nas treble ours.
That said we have something to offer that they dont......we're ba proper football club? ;D
I doubt very much that any of our players are on £400 pw.
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Would any player be paid more than Greene?
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Would any player be paid more than Greene?
Should anybody be paid more than their line manager?
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In Sales I would imagine with bonuses and commissions it would happen plenty of times.
I also would see it happening in most professional sports at the top level.
More a case of making sure we have the appropriate value for money with everyone. Miller was great value for money last season, Timms less so.
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I don't claim to know if the same applies in NL or semi pro football, but I would imagine every professional club wold have 'some' players on their books that earn significantly more than the manager and the bigger the team the more it will probably occur.
Most professional players have a tangible worth in the transfer market and I would assume that could be the main reason, and wherever you look it could be argued that some players worth in regards to contribution to the team and more who will probably be listed on the stock market or Companies House as a company asset, is more valuable.
Even Ferguson who must have surely been the leagues highest paid manager wouldn't have earned as much as say Rooney or RVP and Van Gaal not as much as his recent arrivals. You can debate the logic behind it, but no managers command £40m transfer fees and even if they walk out of their contracts and straight into another job in doing so, the club they desert invariably only gets contract compensation or at best a couple of million in mutually agreed compensation.
Fascinating question though
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I don't think a manager necessarilly gets more than the top players .
If he does he has to be consistently successful in my book ..
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Brian Little?
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or Stuart Little? :bunny :bunny