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Title: oh dear Den!
Post by: kingofnaves on October 04, 2014, 03:52:45 PM
Bring Marshall on!!!!
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Post by: Ed Kandi on October 04, 2014, 03:59:28 PM
What's the score?
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 04, 2014, 04:07:56 PM
About time Den!
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 04, 2014, 04:08:32 PM
Losing 2 nil
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Post by: Ed Kandi on October 04, 2014, 04:13:06 PM
Oh dear Den
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Post by: lonegunman on October 04, 2014, 05:11:18 PM
Just got back from the game. To be honest we were never at the races, they out muscled us all over the pitch. They had a game plan to press in midfield and we didn't have the knowhow to deal with it. I can't think of one stand out player today, lots of huffing and puffing and nothing to show for it.

Check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry.  :bunny
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 04, 2014, 05:14:00 PM
Mr Genius will be calling us knobheads for writing this!
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Post by: Steviemas on October 04, 2014, 05:22:34 PM
Far too lightweight in midfield, doesn't take a genius to work it out, been watching Boston for forty years and that comes close to one of the worse displays yet, still, onwards to Leek.
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Post by: Odin on October 04, 2014, 05:31:55 PM
Can you imagine what DG will say. Don't blame us, it was Hednesford fault we lost. They turned up and played football, took us completely by surprise and if it wasn't their fault then blame our team for screwing up, after all, what's it got to do with me, I have told you we have a stronger team than last year so we should have won.
Depressing game, not one attempt on their goal in 90 minutes.
He has just said "no desire, no work ethic". He must come from the same bloodline as Simpson, blame everyone but himself.
Absolute rubbish, and now he's blaming the fans. For goodness sake DG give us something to cheer and perhaps we won't be so quiet.
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Post by: hozzer on October 04, 2014, 05:52:48 PM
just heard Gainsboroughs Housham apologising for the clear mistakes he made in the first half of their match, do we think mr football geniuos DG will apologise ?
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Post by: garry@ on October 04, 2014, 05:53:12 PM
Wonder if it will cross DG's mind that since his mate Dowie came back from injury and straight back into the side we have been absolute rubbish, today he was a total embarrassment again gave the ball away couldn't pass and didn't even seem to know where he was suppose to be playing.
Meadows and Doran also waste of a squad number Doran the same as Dowie and Meadows just not good enough and never looks interested.
Thought DG was making a good sub when bringing Marshall on but then played him right back and put Marrs on right midfield.
Fallah also bloody rubbish can't jump, can't hold the ball and can't pass he falls down like a premiership star every time contact is made.
Let's look forward to next weeks shake up ?? When the only player we stuck a long contract on gets recalled and takes the mantle of being a total waste of space he's got pace but a foot like a shovel and can't pass or cross but has played for DG before  it's the mighty Felix.
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Post by: doc on October 04, 2014, 06:07:24 PM
Not too happy then!?
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Post by: spannerman on October 04, 2014, 06:13:57 PM
What a waste of a afternoon can not see how any of the new players are better that what we let go in the summer , we ran around like headless chickens
what has happened to garner not the player he was . >:( >:(
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Post by: Fishtoft Crew on October 04, 2014, 06:18:48 PM
Hate to say it, but awful. For a home team not to manage a shot at home against a mid table side isnt good enough. No atmsopshere, no drive. First half on several occassions Farman walked to the corner posts to fetch the ball , walked ,we are one down get on it , lets play no nothing, need questions answered was he told to slow down, if not whats going on. in his head. Two lads from County on the bench why, whats the formation, gates are going slowly down and will continue to do so we pay money to be entertained not watch  that im afraid.Sorry to be negative the only plus was the ref had a great game.
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Post by: oxo on October 04, 2014, 06:20:29 PM
To be fair in the after match interview he summed up the performance quite well but he could have saved a lot of time by just saying crap. To be honest with performances like that if I wasn't a season ticket holder I don't think I would pay to see it. The only starting player to put in a shift was Garner who you could see was totally frustrated with the pathetic efforts of his team mates. It has been said that we didn't have one effort on goal but I remember one it was cleared by Fallah who I am afraid is probably our worst signing. No matter how poorly Southwell may play strangely he is never brought off which shows how desperate we are up top. Where we go from here I really don't know but if we have many more performances like this one we are in trouble.
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Post by: Bostonshire on October 04, 2014, 06:23:45 PM
Ermmm is it me or is it getting worse

Oh just to add insult Greene and the team are on the pxss tonight
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Post by: black n yella on October 04, 2014, 06:24:51 PM
From the off Hednesford looked more eager to win every ball and make every tackle count. The only
positive from today's game is that we  weren't beaten by any more goals. There's some real worrying signs about this squad.
1. We play long balls to small players. It makes the oppositions life so easy, they keep retrieving the ball off us and immediately have the advantage.
2. There's gaping holes in midfield and defence, the team bus could pass through without an eyelid being batted.  Most of the time players are out of position and not even picking up their man.
3. Playing football backwards and sidewards only works if you have a team which has a first rate passing ability. Naturally you'd assume players would pass and go, moving into supporting positions.
4. Very few players are willing to close down and hassle the opposition when they've got the ball, let alone put a meaningful tackle in.
5. When we loose the ball, we can't even win 2nd or 3rd balls. The majority of the time we're outmuscled or there's a lack of effort to win it.

But naturally as a nobhead on the terrace I know fack all. It's about time you prove to us this squad is equally as capable as last seasons because I simply don't see any evidence for this claim. Today's performance reminded me of the Jason Lee, Drury era. Lack of effort and togetherness as a team. We're so negative even at home now. Blame the fans, blame the players, but take a look at yourself Den, you've put this squad together and adopted this anti football style. It's boring the tits off me.
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Post by: Fishtoft Crew on October 04, 2014, 06:40:19 PM
Team bonding, not on the pxxxs.
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 04, 2014, 06:42:11 PM
Think they were on the piss before the game!
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Post by: uncleremus on October 04, 2014, 06:46:18 PM
bit difficult for the team to be on the piss when most of them are too short to see over the bar to order a drink, and most would need ID as they are so young.
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Post by: Bostonshire on October 04, 2014, 07:03:05 PM
Team bonding, not on the pxxxs.

You couldn't bond this lot using a combo of nails and glue let alone a pint or to

bit difficult for the team to be on the piss when most of them are too short to see over the bar to order a drink, and most would need ID as they are so young.

They be on there backs after a sniff there that light weight
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Post by: Carl Newell on October 04, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
Not sure I have seen many worse performances than today. Garner and Dixon were probably the only two to come out of that game with credit. Nothing was happening for us today and we desperately needed a game changer and from what we have Felix is our best option and should have come on at half time. Dowie was shocking today and struggled to complete simple passes. Would like to see us play 442 when we have the personnel available, instead of crowding the midfield play with two wide men who will cause the opposition problems. McGhee, Felix, Meadows, Dixon, Newsham and Southwell could be a good combination if we can get all of them fit together. The defence picks itself. Despite the players missing today no excuses can be made for that performance.

Last season we played the same eleven for the first eight games (even using the same two subs in those games in Galinski and Fairclough) and only lost one. This season we haven't used the same eleven for any two game. Obviously injuries and suspension have played a big part in this but the players lacked an understanding today so hopefully we can get our best team playing together for several games and win games before we slip away.

Whilst no one is making excuses for the performance today the reaction from the crowd this season at times has been awful. Several around me today seemed to enjoy the fact that we were being out played and gave them an excuse to hurl abuse at our players which was neither constructive or needed. Far too many this season have should little support for the team. Results at home this season have been poor and as fans we need to play our part in supporting the team.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: howmanynames2pick on October 04, 2014, 07:19:49 PM
Not sure I have seen many worse performances than today. Garner and Dixon were probably the only two to come out of that game with credit. Nothing was happening for us today and we desperately needed a game changer and from what we have Felix is our best option and should have come on at half time. Dowie was shocking today and struggled to complete simple passes. Would like to see us play 442 when we have the personnel available, instead of crowding the midfield play with two wide men who will cause the opposition problems. McGhee, Felix, Meadows, Dixon, Newsham and Southwell could be a good combination if we can get all of them fit together. The defence picks itself. Despite the players missing today no excuses can be made for that performance.

Last season we played the same eleven for the first eight games (even using the same two subs in those games in Galinski and Fairclough) and only lost one. This season we haven't used the same eleven for any two game. Obviously injuries and suspension have played a big part in this but the players lacked an understanding today so hopefully we can get our best team playing together for several games and win games before we slip away.

Whilst no one is making excuses for the performance today the reaction from the crowd this season at times has been awful. Several around me today seemed to enjoy the fact that we were being out played and gave them an excuse to hurl abuse at our players which was neither constructive or needed. Far too many this season have should little support for the team. Results at home this season have been poor and as fans we need to play our part in supporting the team.
Fully agree Carl.
Just add that we don't have a leader, someone who will drag us through a game.
still on the coat tails of the play offs though, but we can't afford many more bad days at the office.
I believe DG can do it, but there's no getting away from the fact we were abject today,
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Post by: yam man on October 04, 2014, 07:26:51 PM
Far too lightweight in midfield, doesn't take a genius to work it out, been watching Boston for forty years and that comes close to one of the worse displays yet, still, onwards to Leek.

That's exactly what I was going to say
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Post by: green hats mate on October 04, 2014, 08:12:26 PM
Ermmm is it me or is it getting worse

Oh just to add insult Greene and the team are on the pxss tonight

Not seen them in the Eagle yet ,  will they be coming in ?
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 04, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
Probably having a Happy Meal in McDonalds!
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Post by: Bostonshire on October 04, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Ermmm is it me or is it getting worse

Oh just to add insult Greene and the team are on the pxss tonight

Not seen them in the Eagle yet ,  will they be coming in ?

They went to lincoln
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Post by: Eddie Killick on October 04, 2014, 08:22:14 PM
Went to see AFC Fylde this afternoon. What a revelation. They have players who know how to score and players who can defend, unlike Boston. Heaven help us when they play us - their two wingers will run us ragged. Please get this sorted, Den or I will die with embarrassment. With both Fylde and Chorley doing so well this season makes me realise there is little difference in standards between Conference North and the Northern Premier.
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Post by: green hats mate on October 04, 2014, 08:30:39 PM
What a waste of a afternoon can not see how any of the new players are better that what we let go in the summer , we ran around like headless chickens
what has happened to garner not the player he was . >:( >:(

Were you one of the Spayners chanting for Charley Sanders recall?
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Post by: milo1972 on October 04, 2014, 08:58:23 PM
Two words summarise todays perfomance ` bloody awful`

Sorry if my comments at the end of the match offended anyone but we all have an opinion, we all pay our money and we all expect passion, desire and enthusiasm. Unfortunately today Boston United didnt show any of them.

If my performance at work was poor i would get a rollicking so hopefully DG has done the same today to his team.

BUT I will be there at Leek Town next saturday along with a 150 or so Pilgrims Faithful who believe we can get a result in the FA Cup.

#upthepilgrims
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Post by: Lord Cutler Knobhead on October 04, 2014, 09:15:18 PM
Certainly the worst performance of the Dennis Greene era.  Can't remember another time under Greene where I've thought the team looked like journeymen picking up a wage. Today they did and I felt I could walk out at half time knowing I'd not miss anything, that turned out to be true.  Turgid performance.
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Post by: Leek Tourist Information on October 04, 2014, 09:27:07 PM

BUT I will be there at Leek Town next saturday along with a 150 or so Pilgrims Faithful

YES! That's the spirit.
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Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 04, 2014, 09:27:26 PM
For a team without any tall forward players, it's stupid to play without any width. Stretch their defence, rather than going through the middle.
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 04, 2014, 09:59:15 PM
Charley Sanders! He would probably last 10 minutes! Atleast he would put more tackles in(elbows) in that time than that lot did today!
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Post by: Winging It on October 04, 2014, 10:04:08 PM


Whilst no one is making excuses for the performance today the reaction from the crowd this season at times has been awful. Several around me today seemed to enjoy the fact that we were being out played and gave them an excuse to hurl abuse at our players which was neither constructive or needed. Far too many this season have should little support for the team. Results at home this season have been poor and as fans we need to play our part in supporting the team.

So right to mention this Carl,  some might joke they are knobheads on here but some of those today should have a medal for being just that !!  Its like you say, some so called fans seem to be taking great pleasure this season from just turning up to abuse the players.  Had these so called fans turned their jeers from the off to cheers from the off we might have actually lifted the team. No atmosphere at all today,  yet on other home games when we get it rocking you can see it lifts the team.
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Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on October 04, 2014, 10:32:08 PM
Scrap the entire midfield - all average or below average for this league. Can't understand bringing two in from a League 1 club and then putting them on the bench - would suggest they are not as good as what we have - so why get them in the first place ? Also need something else up front as Southwell hasn't got the legs / capability / height to do a job by himself.

TEP
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Post by: Odin on October 04, 2014, 10:41:37 PM
I stopped insulting individual players a few seasons ago when it occurred to me that it's the manager who signs them, selects the team to play each game, decides on tactics to be used, makes the substitutions and blames everyone but himself for under performing. Today I don't think you could single individual players for that performance. To me everything was wrong, there was nothing positive about the whole team performance. Lack of motivation could be the problem. Do remember that on Tuesday night the performance was crap as well. Have the team lost confidence in the manager, is he not motivating them, has the manager lost the plot, has he reached the limit of his ability. Swapping players around, playing them out of position is unsettling. At this time the team is not very good and losing to Leek is more likely than winning.
To sum up, well I think 90 mins of a home game without one attempt on goal sums it up, it's not surprising the crowd were quiet. Also needs remembering that it was not just one player that under performed it was almost the whole team, almost.
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Post by: Carl Newell on October 04, 2014, 11:00:44 PM
Lets keep perspective here - yes we were awful today and have not been great on the whole this season but we are still 7th and if we can get a settled team playing the right way we could still have a good season.
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Post by: Winging It on October 04, 2014, 11:04:11 PM
Odin, the crowd was quiet from the first min so your points not really valid. Surly the crowd should be chanting and cheering from the moment they come out to at the very least if and when we concede. Then i could understand the quietness.
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Post by: Burgh Boy on October 04, 2014, 11:23:26 PM
Two words: Duran Reynolds.
We had him and let him go. The was the start of our troubles. End of.
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Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 04, 2014, 11:42:09 PM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
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Post by: Odin on October 05, 2014, 12:38:53 AM
The crowd is always quiet at the beginning. At the Boston games it's usually the teams performance that gets the crowd going, I know that's the wrong way round but that's how it is.
A settled team with players in their best position would help. Anyway the clubs ambition for promotion is irrelevant an will be until after the big move because it cannot afford the extra dosh on players. All we ever hear from the top is that funds are short so talk of promotion is required to keep people interested not as a realistic ambition.
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Post by: miele on October 05, 2014, 09:40:33 AM
I cant see NEWSAM wanting to come back to soon to this shower.   we have a decent foundation in
FARMAN         GARNER ,MARRS,MILLS,PIERGIANNI,STEER.
from there we need a complete revamp,it's a big building progect but is GREENE up to admitting that to often he 's  getting the mix wrong.
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Post by: Burgh Boy on October 05, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
Well, P86, he would have filled the gap in our leaky defence which is almost as big as your over inflated ego!
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Post by: Winging It on October 05, 2014, 09:43:27 AM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?

Actually that would have freed up the option to stick Garner up top, who has already proved he can be a target man when needed. We had no other CB options yesterday so Garns had to stay where he was.  Obviously when we have Pidge back from suspension we will then have the three CB options but when we had four, one of those simply had to go.  I'm more surprised nobody has said we shouldn't have let SWD go at the end of the season !
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Post by: Winging It on October 05, 2014, 09:47:52 AM
The crowd is always quiet at the beginning. At the Boston games it's usually the teams performance that gets the crowd going

I would refer you to watch and listen to youtube clips titled "Boston United, teams out", you might then see your wrong on this point mate ! 
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Post by: B Grimes on October 05, 2014, 09:58:49 AM
It does seem to be getting progressively worse doesn't it and like every other team the buck stops with the manager whether DG wants to accept it or not.
I too can't work out the rationale of bringing in loanees without first establishing if they are better than what we already have which he obviously feels aren't hence seeing them on the bench. Even Marrs the best full back in the league last year and who we all welcomed back appears to have been earmarked for midfield.
Maybe we were spoilt last season but we so badly need to recruit someone who can make things happen in the final third which Dennis has failed to do since the summer and you can't deflect the blame of that one.
But his tactics whatever they are currently meant to be, and I can't work them out, need to change sooner rather than later as does i feel, quite a few of the current personnel as with a quarter of the season now gone its now pretty obvious that several are not good enough.
Dear oh dear
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Post by: black n yella on October 05, 2014, 10:10:38 AM
So fans now even blaming fellow fans for our poor performances  ::) Sunday league / amateur league footballers don't rely upon the supporters chants to perform to the best of their ability. Yes it can give the players a boost at times but if players are simply relying on that then there's something drastically wrong. Yes some the fans were quick to criticise players yesterday but for all the crap sprouted I also herd plenty of encouragement. Just because the fans made little attempt to sing does that mean as a team they can't perform. Some would argue that poor performances like yesterday will sap the energy from the terraces. Players need to rise above negative comments coming from the sidelines and get on with doing their best. We as supporters do need to make more positive noise I concede but that's easier said than done.

I'm of the mindset that the players aren't performing mainly because the chopping and changing of our squad and playing them out of position. I'm uncertain whether our manager has the tactical knowledge to help us progress through these difficult times. They looked a bunch of dejected individuals yesterday and not a team. We desperately need a strong character on the pitch and in the dressing room to galvanise the squad. 
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Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 05, 2014, 10:17:04 AM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
Well, P86, he would have filled the gap in our leaky defence which is almost as big as your over inflated ego!
You didn't answer the question I asked...
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Post by: Shauneyg on October 05, 2014, 10:51:37 AM
Agree on that one B.Grimes. We are seriously lacking a player who can make things happen. We have no pace in key areas. its okay saying we have newsh to come back which will be great but he won't solve our lack of lack creativity and pace. teams are happy to sit back and let us have the ball because we can't break teams down and have no width so only option is to play it long and it's coming back straight away cos we have no height upfront. something needs to change quickly that's for sure.
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Post by: Odin on October 05, 2014, 11:28:57 AM
Re the vocal support, someone next to me asked why the feller who brings the drum wasn't banging it yesterday. Perhaps he was using it as a seat. Let's get this right, when the town endears get going they are fantastic support for the team but yesterday it was quiet. Anyway, it has been correctly pointed out that if the team cannot play well without the vocals then they are not worth much. We had a lot of individuals running around but Not a team. Got to agree with the last few posts.
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Post by: Bostonshire on October 05, 2014, 12:39:12 PM
Newsh won't help at all if we carry in like this. Strikers need halls to them to do summit with and we can't get balls to them at mo
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Post by: green hats mate on October 05, 2014, 01:03:06 PM
Two words: Duran Reynolds.
We had him and let him go. The was the start of our troubles. End of.

Hardy anyone complained at the time and the fact he dropped down two leagues says it all .

Also another poster asks was it right to let SWD go ?   Yes it was as he was not good enough , but Den failed to replace him with someone better .

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Post by: Bostonshire on October 05, 2014, 01:18:09 PM
Two words: Duran Reynolds.
We had him and let him go. The was the start of our troubles. End of.

Hardy anyone complained at the time and the fact he dropped down two leagues says it all .

Also another poster asks was it right to let SWD go ?   Yes it was as he was not good enough , but Den failed to replace him with someone better .

Your spot on with what you said. The players we let go are the correct players, we just fail to replace them with better
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Post by: father Ted on October 05, 2014, 01:51:31 PM
 ' Bewildered '  boss bemoans bogstandard Boston .
     Time for the exit door to open somewhat methinks ..
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Post by: B Grimes on October 05, 2014, 02:26:12 PM
Very few crowds continually and verbally get behind their teams when nothing happens to inspire them to do so. The noisiest crowds I ever heard were at Newcastle and Portsmouth but what happens on the pitch invariably dictates the level and volume if their support and am afraid there was nothing at all happening on the pitch yesterday for anyone to get even remotely enthused about and if anyone never mind the boss tries to cite the crows as even the smallest part of mitigation for the current rubbish then it would be a very sad state if affairs
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Post by: Deeping Pilgrim on October 05, 2014, 04:45:34 PM
One of the most frustrating things about yesterday was the amount of times, especially in the first half, that Steer was completely unmarked and yet he never received the ball.

Also, I don't believe that any of the new midfielders are any better than Ross, Milnes and, to a lesser extent, Konadu.

Finally, I felt sorry for the sponsors who were on a hiding to nothing when it came to selecting a MOTM.
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Post by: Tash on October 05, 2014, 06:14:44 PM
Two words: Duran Reynolds.
We had him and let him go. The was the start of our troubles. End of.

Hardy anyone complained at the time and the fact he dropped down two leagues says it all .

Also another poster asks was it right to let SWD go ?   Yes it was as he was not good enough , but Den failed to replace him with someone better .

IMHO the player we should have kept was Ian Ross.
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 05, 2014, 06:41:50 PM
Bring Marshall on!!!!
good luck Connor !
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Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on October 05, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
I think we should have held onto the following until we had better:

Milnes
Ross
Konadu
Ben Fairclough
Reed
Hall

Maybe we can draw some comparisons with Liverpool. Star striker gone. A load of average players come into the team and then it all goes tits up. 

In all seriousness, Newsham isn't the answer. He will score goals if given service - just like Southwell does. In fact, I wouldn't play both together as I think they are too similar. As mentioned above, we need creativity in the final third - players that are not afraid to run at the opposition and get to the touchline. Although rubbish yesterday, I think Dowie is ok for this level but Hollingsworth, Meadows, Fallah, Felix - probably missed a few - all just average at best - on a good day that is.

Not going to Leek now as been deflated by Dereham, Worcester away and yesterday. Going to have a week off, do a bit of decorating and come back for a goal fest against Hyde.

TEP
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Post by: green hats mate on October 05, 2014, 07:46:39 PM
I think we should have held onto the following until we had better:

Milnes
Ross
Konadu
Ben Fairclough
Reed
Hall

Maybe we can draw some comparisons with Liverpool. Star striker gone. A load of average players come into the team and then it all goes tits up. 

In all seriousness, Newsham isn't the answer. He will score goals if given service - just like Southwell does. In fact, I wouldn't play both together as I think they are too similar. As mentioned above, we need creativity in the final third - players that are not afraid to run at the opposition and get to the touchline. Although rubbish yesterday, I think Dowie is ok for this level but Hollingsworth, Meadows, Fallah, Felix - probably missed a few - all just average at best - on a good day that is.

Not going to Leek now as been deflated by Dereham, Worcester away and yesterday. Going to have a week off, do a bit of decorating and come back for a goal fest against Hyde.

TEP

We should be looking to improve the team , you don,t do that by retaining players like the above named who none  could  hold down a regular place , again all have fallen to a lower level team .

Most posts point to failings in mid-field and forwards ,   anyone noticed like last season we leak more goal;s than most teams ?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Shrimperpilgrim on October 05, 2014, 08:09:36 PM
Have to agree since moving up at start of season to live in the area yesterday was hard to watch for many reasons against an average side at best for this level of football.
We certainly missed Mills from right back he starts many moves off and can be found in the final 3rd supporting play offering a delivery from wide positions.
Yesterday the back 4 always looked hesitant in playing a forward ball and hardly never to feet opting for straight long balls.
Midfield never dropped off short to find the ball with backs to goal to offer short pass options.
A lack of someone who actually looks like they are going to head the ball on or hold it up as a forward... must be the best set of forwards who make out they are gonna head it (by jumping early) ive seen.
A total lack of drive in winning the ball back when play gets turned around.
Lack of ideas all round never got behind them by pulling their full backs out of comfort zones.
A lot of the above results in Trusting a player when he shows for the ball something in pre season I noticed the side had in abundance but has ebbed away on occasions lately.
As a new supporter I want to cheer the side on but its really hard if the game is not up to the quality of the surroundings York Street is a great place to watch football and with average crowds around the 1000 mark everyone could still be mistaken for thinking your watching football at a League club but the reality is we are watching football in the conference north.
Ill hope we can turn this around lets get that buzz that we had around the place like we had before kick off Vs Barrow it was great.
Come on you boys!!
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Fishtoft Crew on October 05, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
Ross could easily hold his place, but as you often see a new manager likes his own type of player. Ross was a quality player who made things happen,not a workhorse as it wasn't his game, but with respect to the current lads made chances and scored goals. Another thing with Rossy came into the clubhouse win , lose or draw and have a chat in his BUFC tracky, this year jeans hoodies are the code or many don't either bother going in. Over the years since I was a kid supporting the club players always mixed, and chatted where has it all changed. Love him or hate him Jason Lee always went in with the players and set a standard, i just feel perhaps we need a bit of that all in here together back again.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 05, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
Ross could easily hold his place, but as you often see a new manager likes his own type of player. Ross was a quality player who made things happen,not a workhorse as it wasn't his game, but with respect to the current lads made chances and scored goals. Another thing with Rossy came into the clubhouse win , lose or draw and have a chat in his BUFC tracky, this year jeans hoodies are the code or many don't either bother going in. Over the years since I was a kid supporting the club players always mixed, and chatted where has it all changed. Love him or hate him Jason Lee always went in with the players and set a standard, i just feel perhaps we need a bit of that all in here together back again.

Wheres Ian playing now?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: joshb on October 05, 2014, 08:32:03 PM
Odin, the crowd was quiet from the first min so your points not really valid. Surly the crowd should be chanting and cheering from the moment they come out to at the very least if and when we concede. Then i could understand the quietness.

Difficult when only 3 can be arsed to join in. People are spending a fortune to watch that and not make something out of it. They're too busy checking other scores and social media
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 05, 2014, 08:37:22 PM
Odin, the crowd was quiet from the first min so your points not really valid. Surly the crowd should be chanting and cheering from the moment they come out to at the very least if and when we concede. Then i could understand the quietness.

Difficult when only 3 can be arsed to join in. People are spending a fortune to watch that and not make something out of it. They're too busy checking other scores and social media

A couple of blokes stood in front of me was at it all match josh
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: kingofnaves on October 05, 2014, 08:41:33 PM
More interesting than watching the game!
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: dt woodhall on October 05, 2014, 08:42:34 PM
Mr Genius says he is bewildered at yesterdays performance. Let me help him understand

1 -- the fans are bewildered also at 4 changes from a good draw in midweek.
      we never seem to have the same team in consectutive games

2-- why get midfielders in on loan from better clubs and then not start them

3-- this league is very physical but we have a team of midgets.

4-- newsham and miller were excellent last year. neither has been effectively replaced.

5-- answer-simple--wrong team, wrong tactics, wrong manager
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Amber Man on October 05, 2014, 09:08:13 PM
my first home game after the shambles of oxford at home. although i did manage to have the will power to stop 10 mins longer than i did that game. but i must differ from peoples opinion of den, i find den to be one of our better managers for a while ( obviously thats not hard, compared to recent comparison) any manager would struggle to replace a 20+ plus goalscorer like ricky miller on our budget. Yesterdays performance was dreadful, my main complaint was the midfield offering no options for the defence when they had the ball which forced them into hoofing it in too southwell who probably won 3 out 15 headers he went for which is frustrating to watch and like people have mentioned about the recruitment in the summer, although i wasn't the biggest fan of rossy as at time he could be a liability he could at least pass a bloody good ball
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Burgh Boy on October 05, 2014, 09:41:30 PM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
Well, P86, he would have filled the gap in our leaky defence which is almost as big as your over inflated ego!
You didn't answer the question I asked...
Don't think you deserve an answer! What are you? Some sort of interrogator? Now stop trawling through my postings or I may get a little offended.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on October 05, 2014, 09:45:10 PM
GHM. Of course we should be looking to improve but we haven't. Don't replace the existing players until you have better ones. I don't give two hoots who Ross is  playing for now. He is miles better than any of our current crop.

TEP
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Odin on October 05, 2014, 09:47:42 PM
I think you will agree that it's all about money. Perhaps we should just sit back, accept we are a mid table or just below the play offs football club and stop false ambitions. The problem that brings is without ambition to progress why bother. Another issue would then be why pay the gate fees charged when other clubs who have a fraction of our support and don't have sugar daddies charge a lot less and seem to have a better side than we do. ( I am aware of the ground rate we pay ).
As for the quality of the squad I actually think we have a strong defence, but it must be disheartening for them to clear the ball only to have it coming back at them 20 seconds later. Newsh certainly won't be the answer. I recall last season people telling me that DG is a defence centred manager and I think that's his weakness.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: howmanynames2pick on October 05, 2014, 10:03:27 PM
Mr Genius says he is bewildered at yesterdays performance. Let me help him understand

1 -- the fans are bewildered also at 4 changes from a good draw in midweek.
      we never seem to have the same team in consectutive games

2-- why get midfielders in on loan from better clubs and then not start them

3-- this league is very physical but we have a team of midgets.

4-- newsham and miller were excellent last year. neither has been effectively replaced.

5-- answer-simple--wrong team, wrong tactics, wrong manager
Wrong manager?
Is that from a personal or football perspective?
Any suggestions?
I recall when people were calling for Jason Lees head various names being put forward.
One was G Drury and the other was D Green.
Fwiw, I agree with the other statements. Although I think all leagues are physical aren't they?
I can't understand why he isn't playing Marrs as a full back. He seems pretty ineffectual going forward.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 05, 2014, 10:28:35 PM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
Well, P86, he would have filled the gap in our leaky defence which is almost as big as your over inflated ego!
You didn't answer the question I asked...
Don't think you deserve an answer! What are you? Some sort of interrogator? Now stop trawling through my postings or I may get a little offended.
No, I'm a person on an Internet forum asking you a question, which you ducked. I didn't trawl through anything, this is a current thread.

If you're offended, then switch off your computer.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Winging It on October 05, 2014, 10:39:06 PM
More interesting than watching the game!

Then why do you go if you prefer checking the premier scores on your mobile ?? tut,tut
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Burgh Boy on October 05, 2014, 10:44:53 PM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
Well, P86, he would have filled the gap in our leaky defence which is almost as big as your over inflated ego!
You didn't answer the question I asked...
Don't think you deserve an answer! What are you? Some sort of interrogator? Now stop trawling through my postings or I may get a little offended.
No, I'm a person on an Internet forum asking you a question, which you ducked. I didn't trawl through anything, this is a current thread.

If you're offended, then switch off your computer.
Yawn   :-*! Actually, you are a NOBODY on an Internet forum!  :bunny . Now you turn your computer off as it is getting late and you've work tomorrow morning!  :dan
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: kingofnaves on October 06, 2014, 07:15:08 AM
More interesting than watching the game!

Then why do you go if you prefer checking the premier scores on your mobile ?? tut,tut
actuslly check non league results! Anyway its better than listening to the moaners behind abusing Boston players everytime they kick the ball!
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Odin on October 06, 2014, 07:58:24 AM
Just heard DG saying it doesn't help booing and jeering the players off the pitch. So it's the players again. Perhaps most of the booing and jeering was for him, after all, he only told us last week that this seasons team is stronger than last seasons and he picks the team and the positions they play in. A strong manager would say if you want to jeer anyone then it should be me, don't take it out on the players, I pick them, I select the tactics. If I have signed the wrong players I will sort it out.
Perhaps there should be less slagging the players because footballers want to play football and if selected, wether good enough or not, they would not turn down the opportunity.
So in the words of pratman who sits behind us "sort it out Den".
For those of you who shout abuse at the player I say cut it out, if they are not up to it blame the manager who clearly thinks they are.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 06, 2014, 08:30:02 AM
Realistically holding onto the list of players previously mentioned including Ross would not be the answer. We missed out on the play offs last year primarily because of the way DG approached and played away from home the problem being this season we are now doing similarly at home!

He must have known Newsh was going to he missing a chunk of the season and never brought in a replacement nor  however hard it was going to be has he replaced Miller the one player who could steal a goal (or penalty) from nothing.
We have have got some very good defenders but no idea how to defend especially when as so many teams appear to, attack down the channels which has become a serious Achilles heel, we have lots (and lots) of very similar midfield players but none who stand out from the others, we  have pace in the team which without any inclination to get the ball out wide is never utilised and despite the ongoing reliance to play it long and high have no target man to either win or at least hold the ball up.....in short nothing whatsoever to differentiate us from the other teams destined to finish 9th to 18th and worse we have suddenly become knobheads simply for saying so or worse show any discontent. Dear oh dear.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 06, 2014, 08:33:21 AM
Just heard DG saying it doesn't help booing and jeering the players off the pitch. So it's the players again. Perhaps most of the booing and jeering was for him, after all, he only told us last week that this seasons team is stronger than last seasons and he picks the team and the positions they play in. A strong manager would say if you want to jeer anyone then it should be me, don't take it out on the players, I pick them, I select the tactics. If I have signed the wrong players I will sort it out.
Perhaps there should be less slagging the players because footballers want to play football and if selected, wether good enough or not, they would not turn down the opportunity.
So in the words of pratman who sits behind us "sort it out Den".
For those of you who shout abuse at the player I say cut it out, if they are not up to it blame the manager who clearly thinks they are.

+1

Where is the interview. Asking for trouble if he tries to deflect anything away from him onto the supporters
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: kodger on October 06, 2014, 09:48:46 AM
That was possibly the worst I have ever seen a Boston United team play..personally I would never boo the players off, but I can understand why it happened. For some to try and blame the (diminishing) crowd is laughable. I was pretty disgusted at that display, and still am.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 06, 2014, 12:26:59 PM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
Well, P86, he would have filled the gap in our leaky defence which is almost as big as your over inflated ego!
You didn't answer the question I asked...
Don't think you deserve an answer! What are you? Some sort of interrogator? Now stop trawling through my postings or I may get a little offended.
No, I'm a person on an Internet forum asking you a question, which you ducked. I didn't trawl through anything, this is a current thread.

If you're offended, then switch off your computer.
Yawn   :-*! Actually, you are a NOBODY on an Internet forum!  :bunny . Now you turn your computer off as it is getting late and you've work tomorrow morning!  :dan
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 06, 2014, 12:34:41 PM
Please explain how Duran Reynolds playing today would have seen us show more of an attacking threat?
Well, P86, he would have filled the gap in our leaky defence which is almost as big as your over inflated ego!
You didn't answer the question I asked...
Don't think you deserve an answer! What are you? Some sort of interrogator? Now stop trawling through my postings or I may get a little offended.
No, I'm a person on an Internet forum asking you a question, which you ducked. I didn't trawl through anything, this is a current thread.

If you're offended, then switch off your computer.
Yawn   :-*! Actually, you are a NOBODY on an Internet forum!  :bunny . Now you turn your computer off as it is getting late and you've work tomorrow morning!  :dan
             
P86 can argue he is one of the more constructive contributors to this forum .
I recall in the past he has posted  links etc on here which have been useful and informatative and helpful
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: black n yella on October 06, 2014, 02:19:34 PM
Having time to reflect now I can see how lucky we were last season or should I say how lucky Den was. We had a great finisher in Newsham up until his injury and had a creative element in which fed him decent balls. This continued when Miller came in, a different style of player than Newsham but still contributed heavily to the goal tally. Goals also came from other players in the squad which they certainly needed to as we leaked goals heavily. The general philosophy of last season to me was we'll score more goals than you and for the best part of the season, at home at least, it worked. Now last seasons midfield problems also existed, it was far too lightweight and was prone to letting teams run through like this season. The only difference being last years midfield worked better with the defence when it came to looking for an outlet for defenders to pass to rather than this seasons tactic of no option, smash it up the pitch. This makes Dens lack of replacements for these attacking players absolute suicide in my opinion as we've no hope of attacking football and crucially goals. We've the same weak midfield and exposed defence and no hope of making up the goals we concede. Doesn't bare well does it ......
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Odin on October 06, 2014, 02:37:06 PM
Heard his comments on the sports report on radio Lincoln at 7.35 this morning. You can hear it again on the Dalton show replay on the internet.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 06, 2014, 03:18:29 PM
Available here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radiolincolnshire/latest-clips
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 06, 2014, 04:17:44 PM
Mr Genius says he is bewildered at yesterdays performance. Let me help him understand

1 -- the fans are bewildered also at 4 changes from a good draw in midweek.
      we never seem to have the same team in consectutive games

2-- why get midfielders in on loan from better clubs and then not start them

3-- this league is very physical but we have a team of midgets.

4-- newsham and miller were excellent last year. neither has been effectively replaced.

5-- answer-simple--wrong team, wrong tactics, wrong manager

Agree with items 1/2/3.

4. Very difficult to find a pair of goalscorers like them even if you,ve got plenty of money to spend .

5. Who will do a better job as manager ?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Shoddys Lane on October 06, 2014, 04:20:31 PM
Mr Genius says he is bewildered at yesterdays performance. Let me help him understand

1 -- the fans are bewildered also at 4 changes from a good draw in midweek.
      we never seem to have the same team in consectutive games

2-- why get midfielders in on loan from better clubs and then not start them

3-- this league is very physical but we have a team of midgets.

4-- newsham and miller were excellent last year. neither has been effectively replaced.

5-- answer-simple--wrong team, wrong tactics, wrong manager

Agree with items 1/2/3.

4. Very difficult to find a pair of goalscorers like them even if you,ve got plenty of money to spend .

5. Who will do a better job as manager ?

There would appear to be several suitable candidates on this forum.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: kingofnaves on October 06, 2014, 04:23:48 PM
I think Den needs an holiday!
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 06, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
Odd that reading posts the have no mid/fielders and no decent forwards .   But we have good defenders .
Bit confusing when only 5 teams have scored more goals than us .  Alarmingly only 4 teams have conceded more goals .  Should we scrutinise the defence closer ?     In the reconised back four we have a defender who looks great going forward but is poor at defending ,  also one who clearly lacks pace which has been punished with goals conceded .

My back four :    Marr     Mills     Pidge     Steer ( due to no other left sided option )
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: father Ted on October 06, 2014, 10:44:48 PM
 That goal difference is quite common GHM ..
   Its called midtable mediocrity ..
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: BradHealy24 on October 07, 2014, 09:32:16 AM
Well i for one think some people need to take a reality check!

Under previous ( Lee and Drury) where was we finishing in the league? Den has taken over with the same budget, Put a squad together last season on the same budget(so we are told) and we just missed out on the play offs, Players went in the summer, Milnes/Wier-daley where not good enough ,which may upset people but its the truth or why they at  the level they are at? Obviously losing Miller was a huge blow and as mentioned earlier its hard to replace someone like that with our budget and i am sure den said in the paper he tried getting Kendall and mettam in who would have been good signings but wages were a problem,  Now if i recall most fans were backing Den and the team to do well this season and where right behind the team, Now we have stuttered a bit at times this season but Jesus we are sat 7th in the table,Booing and getting on the teams back isn't going to help, Get behind the lads and if its bad have a say when they come of at half time then get behind them again second half, We all want the club to do well so if we all pull together we can play our part and their can be no complaints about us fans can there?  i dont think we have really got going yet this season and certainly we have more to come, I think fans of teams like Tamworth, Harrogate especialy and others like Bradford pa, have more to worry about than us with their budgets which must be much bigger than ours,

YES we need another striker and Yes we need some presance in midfield but i am sure den knows this,  The defence on paper good but still we leak goals? Is this because we need a change in there? is the midfield not protecting the defence? everyone has their own opinion and rightly so if they pay good money to watch the game.

if we dont have much in the bank to get people in then how about getting some out like Sanders(why is he even still here) Hollingsworth, mcghee, Doran, can all go for me

End of the day we all think we no best dont we?

DG is in charge and i will continue to go to games good or bad and support the team i love BUFC
and ill let DG do the job he is paid to do and i dont think he doing that bad tbh

Brad Healy
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 07, 2014, 09:42:22 AM
That goal difference is quite common GHM ..
   Its called midtable mediocrity ..

You miss my point ft ,   I was pointing out our scoring rate is decent although our forwards along with  the mid-field are getting to blame for our bad run .
Against that we have a defence that leaks more goals than most in the league and as i stated we have a defender who is good at going forward but poor at defending .  Add to that another defender who lacks speed which I think opposing teams are getting wise to .
 I was suggesting our defensive shortcomings are being overlooked .
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: BradHealy24 on October 07, 2014, 09:45:30 AM
our scoring rate is good GHM, I agree does the defence need a closer look? easilly gets over looked, we have the same defence yet leak goals?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Fishtoft Crew on October 07, 2014, 11:54:51 AM
Brad good post. My only gripe was the poor entertainment value. Against Oxford I was entertained I know we got thumped but could have had six ourselves. Saturday the tempo wasn't there, even our keeper as I mentioned before, walked to fetch the ball, at home the emphasis is to entertain the home fans so keeping a quick tempo is vital especially when losing.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Odin on October 07, 2014, 11:59:56 AM
It doesn't help when a team can score 7 agin us in one game, it only takes that to make goal difference a bit of a joke. If the ball spends more time in our half of the pitch than theirs is that the defences fault. On Saturday our defenders had no one to pass it to in midfield so the long ball was the only option and with the size of our forwards being beaten to the ball in the air every time meant it was coming straight back at our defence. Of course we are going to let goals in when in 90 minutes of footy we never had one attempt on their goal and they were running down our flanks with nothing to stop them, we weredarn lucky it wasn't another half dozen goals against us. I find it difficult to blame the defence when they are so over worked. And let's not forget,as I have said earlier, we played a game only a few days earlier and were total crap in that as well. I actually think we missed McGhee on Saturday and putting Marrs on in midfield and moving Marshall to right back seemed a strange move. I also think that's a problem, sometimes there seems no sense in the substitutions made and as others have said to leave on loan players who have something to offer on the bench is bewildering. Perhaps the problem was we were getting too close to the top of the table and we can't risk the chance of possible promotion. (That last sentence is a bit of sarcasm by the way).
As FC has just said, no desire to win. Why ?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 07, 2014, 03:00:42 PM
our scoring rate is good GHM, I agree does the defence need a closer look? easilly gets over looked, we have the same defence yet leak goals?

Agree Brad ,  we have the same defence last season and it leaked goals . 
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Carl Newell on October 07, 2014, 03:38:54 PM
Many have questioned why the lads on loan didn't start the game and to be fair to Den he did answer this in his interview after the game with radio Lincs saying that Dixon has just returned from injury and 3 90 min games in a week would be too much for him which is fair enough. Fully expect him to start against Leek.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: father Ted on October 07, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
 That goal difference is quite common GHM ..
     I stand by my original comment ..
       People may be happy with this . . if there is a will to fix the defence in broad terms , things should improve .
        But there's always the feeling that promotion is not wanted  'just yet '  .
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 07, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
That goal difference is quite common GHM ..
     I stand by my original comment ..
       People may be happy with this . . if there is a will to fix the defence in broad terms , things should improve .
        But there's always the feeling that promotion is not wanted  'just yet '  .

Don,t thicnk any of us are happy with the goal difference ft . ???
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: howmanynames2pick on October 07, 2014, 08:23:15 PM
That goal difference is quite common GHM ..
     
        But there's always the feeling that promotion is not wanted  'just yet '  .

If I bump into David Newton I'll ask him.......think I know the answer.
Promotion would give us larger gates, more local derbys etc (of course wage bill would rise...can't win can you :) )
Promotion via the easy route is to throw loads at it but not always guaranteed.
Maybe we ought to group together and buy lottery tickets?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: father Ted on October 07, 2014, 08:57:27 PM
  The lottery 'delusion'  has been mooted fancifully on here, mainly on an individual basis ..
      ie ' If I won the Lottery I would be in there like shot ,etc .
     If a syndicate is mooted . .dont leave the admin to the present General Manager .. he'd forget to take the subs in  ???
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 08, 2014, 02:39:14 PM
Well i for one think some people need to take a reality check!

Under previous ( Lee and Drury) where was we finishing in the league? Den has taken over with the same budget, Put a squad together last season on the same budget(so we are told) and we just missed out on the play offs, Players went in the summer, Milnes/Wier-daley where not good enough ,which may upset people but its the truth or why they at  the level they are at? Obviously losing Miller was a huge blow and as mentioned earlier its hard to replace someone like that with our budget and i am sure den said in the paper he tried getting Kendall and mettam in who would have been good signings but wages were a problem,  Now if i recall most fans were backing Den and the team to do well this season and where right behind the team, Now we have stuttered a bit at times this season but Jesus we are sat 7th in the table,Booing and getting on the teams back isn't going to help, Get behind the lads and if its bad have a say when they come of at half time then get behind them again second half, We all want the club to do well so if we all pull together we can play our part and their can be no complaints about us fans can there?  i dont think we have really got going yet this season and certainly we have more to come, I think fans of teams like Tamworth, Harrogate especialy and others like Bradford pa, have more to worry about than us with their budgets which must be much bigger than ours,

YES we need another striker and Yes we need some presance in midfield but i am sure den knows this,  The defence on paper good but still we leak goals? Is this because we need a change in there? is the midfield not protecting the defence? everyone has their own opinion and rightly so if they pay good money to watch the game.

if we dont have much in the bank to get people in then how about getting some out like Sanders(why is he even still here) Hollingsworth, mcghee, Doran, can all go for me

End of the day we all think we no best dont we?

DG is in charge and i will continue to go to games good or bad and support the team i love BUFC
and ill let DG do the job he is paid to do and i dont think he doing that bad tbh

Brad Healy

Den rightly took the plaudits particularly at home last season as it was a delight to go and watch but you cant bask in the good times and enjoy the numerous bouts of back slapping without holding your hand up when the opposite happens, but with DG this rarely happens as it always appears to be someone else's fault, including recently the 'knobheads' whereas genuinely so, I think we are as loyal and supportive as you will find in any NL club anywhere

We should have kept Reynolds but couldn't as already had three CH on contract and the squad was totally unbalanced with four, but that's Dens fault, that's what he gets paid to sort out. Jesus Christ he's had since July to bring in a forward, not only to replace Miller but the oh so predictable absence of Newsh, and its very well saying he tried Brad, and am sure he did and probably sure still is, but so what that's his direct responsibility, no one elses and it was made worse as everyone could see it was and still is our biggest priority, but none arrived and instead he spent six, seven weeks trying to convince us all at every given opportunity that Garner, on the premise of scoring bucket loads in five a side training would do the job just as well, and many even fell for it!
He even suggested the Oxford game could have finished nine all! Oh really not from where we sit it bloody couldn't.
Look Brad he is in charge, if we continually lump the ball forward that's down to him, its his team but he really would be advised to stop giving interviews saying how he tells the team one thing and he doesnt know why they do another...that's his job mate.
We will support the club as we have done for years and if that means at times venting our frustration or moaning about the product we pay a lot of money to watch then so be it.
At home last season the product and excitement was great, this season even allowing for the opening day victory against the favourites it has been totally the opposite, and as manager DG has to fix it. That's his remit, the nature of the beast and as Graham Drury found out to his cost, though I wasn't one of them, if this rubbish continues, and it is rubbish at the moment the crowd may turn, and if they do, the dug out will be a lonely place to sit
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: kingofnaves on October 08, 2014, 04:00:36 PM
Its has turned since the knobhead saga! No green army chants and I hope the bloke with the flag gets a refund
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 08, 2014, 06:16:17 PM
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Carl Newell on October 08, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
Southwell has been a good signing. Scored 1 in 2, has age on his side and experience of playing in the league above.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 09, 2014, 07:50:07 AM
I'm still not convinced Carl. On the one hand as you say, you can't argue with his goals return thus far, certainly looks sharp given a sight of goal, but he could, should be contributing a lot more with his off the ball movement, closing defenders down, showing aggression in challenges and at least compete for headers, and his first touch needs improvement. With the lack of any pace he could be best suited to playing in the hole, assuming DG can find someone to play in front of him? But without any competition or alternative and knowing you're guaranteed to start every game because of it is hardly going to keep him or any other player on his toes is it
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Post by: green hats mate on October 09, 2014, 09:39:37 AM
I'm still not convinced Carl. On the one hand as you say, you can't argue with his goals return thus far, certainly looks sharp given a sight of goal, but he could, should be contributing a lot more with his off the ball movement, closing defenders down, showing aggression in challenges and at least compete for headers, and his first touch needs improvement. With the lack of any pace he could be best suited to playing in the hole, assuming DG can find someone to play in front of him? But without any competition or alternative and knowing you're guaranteed to start every game because of it is hardly going to keep him or any other player on his toes is it

I agree with that BG . The point of my previous post was to illustrate paying big wages to get a "proven " striker is not sure to succed .
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 09, 2014, 01:35:07 PM
I'm still not convinced Carl. On the one hand as you say, you can't argue with his goals return thus far, certainly looks sharp given a sight of goal, but he could, should be contributing a lot more with his off the ball movement, closing defenders down, showing aggression in challenges and at least compete for headers, and his first touch needs improvement. With the lack of any pace he could be best suited to playing in the hole, assuming DG can find someone to play in front of him? But without any competition or alternative and knowing you're guaranteed to start every game because of it is hardly going to keep him or any other player on his toes is it
So you want us to sign a complete forward? Which don't exist at this level...
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 09, 2014, 04:22:44 PM
I'm still not convinced Carl. On the one hand as you say, you can't argue with his goals return thus far, certainly looks sharp given a sight of goal, but he could, should be contributing a lot more with his off the ball movement, closing defenders down, showing aggression in challenges and at least compete for headers, and his first touch needs improvement. With the lack of any pace he could be best suited to playing in the hole, assuming DG can find someone to play in front of him? But without any competition or alternative and knowing you're guaranteed to start every game because of it is hardly going to keep him or any other player on his toes is it
So you want us to sign a complete forward? Which don't exist at this level...

No Pilgrim any forward would do mate, and there are plenty out there they just have to be found and if not as you allude at this level certainly at lower levels, I have lost count of the times we've almost ridiculed signings made of young (18/24) up and coming players from leagues below us, its almost as though we have become selectively snobbish, but NL football is littered with examples of such players who have successfully made the transition upwards and if we haven't the money as is the case, isn't it logical that's where we look. It shouldn't be a prerequisite as appaears to be the case for any signings made to have had a link with Histon or St Neots?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: father Ted on October 09, 2014, 05:01:27 PM
A big young cheap , ball-holding forward . . just as long as its not Charley Sanders  :)
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: leicester pilgrim on October 09, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
No Pilgrim any forward would do mate, and there are plenty out there they just have to be found and if not as you allude at this level certainly at lower levels, I have lost count of the times we've almost ridiculed signings made of young (18/24) up and coming players from leagues below us, its almost as though we have become selectively snobbish, but NL football is littered with examples of such players who have successfully made the transition upwards and if we haven't the money as is the case, isn't it logical that's where we look. It shouldn't be a prerequisite as appaears to be the case for any signings made to have had a link with Histon or St Neots?

I wonder if we've ever sent a scout to look at Loughborough Dynamo FC?

My reason for bringing this up is that they've made a flying start in the EvoStik South league where they're currently second in the table. However it now emerges that their players haven't been paid for several weeks and their coaching and management team have just walked out. Given their position in the table I'm sure they have players who could play at a higher level, and with their financial circumstances I imagine its only a matter of time before other clubs start tempting those players away. It's similar to what happened last season with Histon and when we picked up Mills and Dowie.

I've seen Loughborough once this campaign - I must have caught them on an off-day as they lost 6-0 at home to Spalding! But before that they had won seven in a row in League and Cup.

Speaking of Spalding, Mark Jones was only a sub in that 6-0 win over Loughborough. I know people on here don't like to talk about ex players, but I think Jones is too good to be on Spalding's bench. And might he be the type of player that we need?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Bostonshire on October 09, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
No Pilgrim any forward would do mate, and there are plenty out there they just have to be found and if not as you allude at this level certainly at lower levels, I have lost count of the times we've almost ridiculed signings made of young (18/24) up and coming players from leagues below us, its almost as though we have become selectively snobbish, but NL football is littered with examples of such players who have successfully made the transition upwards and if we haven't the money as is the case, isn't it logical that's where we look. It shouldn't be a prerequisite as appaears to be the case for any signings made to have had a link with Histon or St Neots?

I wonder if we've ever sent a scout to look at Loughborough Dynamo FC?

My reason for bringing this up is that they've made a flying start in the EvoStik South league where they're currently second in the table. However it now emerges that their players haven't been paid for several weeks and their coaching and management team have just walked out. Given their position in the table I'm sure they have players who could play at a higher level, and with their financial circumstances I imagine its only a matter of time before other clubs start tempting those players away. It's similar to what happened last season with Histon and when we picked up Mills and Dowie.

I've seen Loughborough once this campaign - I must have caught them on an off-day as they lost 6-0 at home to Spalding! But before that they had won seven in a row in League and Cup.

Speaking of Spalding, Mark Jones was only a sub in that 6-0 win over Loughborough. I know people on here don't like to talk about ex players, but I think Jones is too good to be on Spalding's bench. And might he be the type of player that we need?

Yes but Jones turned us down in the summer but if he getting thrown on the bench it maybe one to watch
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 09, 2014, 07:19:31 PM
I'm still not convinced Carl. On the one hand as you say, you can't argue with his goals return thus far, certainly looks sharp given a sight of goal, but he could, should be contributing a lot more with his off the ball movement, closing defenders down, showing aggression in challenges and at least compete for headers, and his first touch needs improvement. With the lack of any pace he could be best suited to playing in the hole, assuming DG can find someone to play in front of him? But without any competition or alternative and knowing you're guaranteed to start every game because of it is hardly going to keep him or any other player on his toes is it


So you want us to sign a complete forward? Which don't exist at this level...

No Pilgrim any forward would do mate, and there are plenty out there they just have to be found and if not as you allude at this level certainly at lower levels, I have lost count of the times we've almost ridiculed signings made of young (18/24) up and coming players from leagues below us, its almost as though we have become selectively snobbish, but NL football is littered with examples of such players who have successfully made the transition upwards and if we haven't the money as is the case, isn't it logical that's where we look. It shouldn't be a prerequisite as appaears to be the case for any signings made to have had a link with Histon or St Neots?

Most teams are looking for that proific striker , if there is plenty "out there" why are other managers also missing them?   Recall Greene beating other teams and signing a striker from Stamford last season ? .
Ricky Millers don,t come along every day .
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: howmanynames2pick on October 09, 2014, 07:42:42 PM
A big young cheap , ball-holding forward . . just as long as its not Charley Sanders  :)
Where's Mickeys Stones?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 09, 2014, 08:29:24 PM
Not saying its easy GHM evidently it isn't but most teams will have three. Our three include one loanee, one injured since January and one even though he's doing okay we are forced to play in every game. Don't you think after nearly four months we would have found someone. Or is that unfair?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: green hats mate on October 09, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: doc on October 09, 2014, 09:11:20 PM
Stones and Sanders up front would be a real handful-throw in Tyrone Kirk on the wing to entertain and we are sorted!
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Odin on October 09, 2014, 10:29:45 PM
Sanders keeps getting a mention from a FEW loyal fans. It doesn't matter how big you are if you can't stay on a pitch for long you are a waste of space and a liability. If he was any good I think someone would have snapped him up by now don't you. We only hang onto him 'cos he's cheap and available if we needed him in an emergency. There is a level of football he could play at but it's certainly not ours.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: swineshead pilgrim! on October 09, 2014, 10:37:37 PM
Anybody else think it's worth having a look at Ryan Robbins from stamford doesn't always start for them but bangs the goals in
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Deeping Pilgrim on October 10, 2014, 01:33:35 AM
Robbins is under contract so Stamford will no doubt want money.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: garry@ on October 10, 2014, 11:35:16 AM
We have too many players plucked from below us in the leagues who where not good enough for there previous clubs end up at BUFC and still crap Felix,Dowie,Fallah and Hollingsworth and can add meadows to the list this year also.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 10, 2014, 11:50:02 AM
Can't disagree we have signed many who have failed, but that doesn't mean others yet to arrive would and yes of course every manager wants and needs a good striker or two and yes its certainly not easy, but presumably the smaller a managers contact book is the less chance there is of getting one, and if you've looked four months and still not found one, what does that suggest to you?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Shoddys Lane on October 10, 2014, 11:54:09 AM
I'm still not convinced Carl. On the one hand as you say, you can't argue with his goals return thus far, certainly looks sharp given a sight of goal, but he could, should be contributing a lot more with his off the ball movement, closing defenders down, showing aggression in challenges and at least compete for headers, and his first touch needs improvement. With the lack of any pace he could be best suited to playing in the hole, assuming DG can find someone to play in front of him? But without any competition or alternative and knowing you're guaranteed to start every game because of it is hardly going to keep him or any other player on his toes is it

No wonder he lacks pace if he has to play in a hole, he will be exhausted climbing out every time the ball approaches him. Are there many of these holes in today's pitches?  ::)
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: bostonwoody on October 10, 2014, 01:37:26 PM
No wonder he lacks pace if he has to play in a hole, he will be exhausted climbing out every time the ball approaches him. Are there many of these holes in today's pitches? 


Some pitches have the holes filled in. I've heard of games being won on aggregate
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 10, 2014, 01:52:39 PM
The whole world has gone mad! ;D
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 10, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
We have too many players plucked from below us in the leagues who where not good enough for there previous clubs end up at BUFC and still crap Felix,Dowie,Fallah and Hollingsworth and can add meadows to the list this year also.

Hollingsworth was at Nottingham Forest last year, and Meadows at Alfreton. Hardly teams below us!
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: garry@ on October 10, 2014, 05:35:06 PM
So I got Hollingsworth wrong but if you read properly it does say can add meadows, sorry to make a mistake like that Big head
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Post by: kingofnaves on October 10, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
So I got Hollingsworth wrong but if you read properly it does say can add meadows, sorry to make a mistake like that Big head
he was only in the Academy so I guess you were right Garry!
Unless P86 knows different?
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: Pilgrim86 on October 10, 2014, 06:40:48 PM
So I got Hollingsworth wrong but if you read properly it does say can add meadows, sorry to make a mistake like that Big head
he was only in the Academy so I guess you were right Garry!
Unless P86 knows different?
Hollingsworth had 1 year as a professional at Forest.

Not sure how you can add Meadows - he's never played lower than BUFC.
Title: Re: oh dear Den!
Post by: B Grimes on October 10, 2014, 07:26:02 PM
That can soon change!