Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Shoddys Lane on September 18, 2014, 07:46:47 PM
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http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69648
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I'm all for this cause but we need 100,000 signatures for it to be considered to be discussed in the House of Commons. Given Boston's population surely this isn't possible or can anyone outside the area lend their support ?
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Done x 2. Can someone with a good following on Facebook and Twitter spread the word?
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Let's get the message out to the people of the surrounding towns who are affected when travelling to Boston. Skegness, Spilsby, Sleaford and Spalding are all close enough. I'm asking people I know in The Deepings to sign. Also, spread the message at home games. Maybe opposition supporters who come to town only once a year can be persuaded by the inconvenience that they experience. Get the managers of local stores to talk to their delivery drivers. If you go to away games and meet locals in the pub, explain to them, or bribe them with a pint if necessary. That's my list. Think of any others for yourselves. It's up to everybody.
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Done :)
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I may be wrong but watching Look North a local councilor stated that a new road as part of the Quadrant development will greatly help the traffic situation in Boston. Was that councilor the one who opposed the Quadrant? Strange how the proposed new bit of road can get you on telly.
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I may be wrong but watching Look North a local councilor stated that a new road as part of the Quadrant development will greatly help the traffic situation in Boston. Was that councilor the one who opposed the Quadrant? Strange how the proposed new bit of road can get you on telly.
No , It was Peter Bedford Leader of Boston B C and Boston U supporter
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Sorry He is a top man.
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I am still waiting for someone to explain how this "new road" will alleviate the traffic situation in Boston. How will taking traffic from a busy A16 on to an equally busy A52 and vice versa help? After all, both roads finish up at the same roundabout. Is it a good idea to take a potentially busy road through a a large housing development? In my opinion it is smoke and mirrors, pie in the sky,waffle and weasel words. I am not detracting from the development but using the "distributor" road as a solution to our traffic problems is ridiculous.
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People are only moaning since the roadworks!! Amazing no road works no problems!
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Are you joking?
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I am sure GHM can remember the debates of the 60's and early 70's concerning a by pass. Correct me if I am wrong but I think we were offered a relief road immediately or a by pass in 10 years. I am sure the council voted for a relief road to protect the shop keepers in Boston. I think the council was made up of several shopkeepers. Hence the scar that is John Adams way which runs through our little town. I could also be wrong but I think we were told if we took the relief road option, then the by pass option would then not be available to us in the future. I am sure some patterers have a better memory than me.
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Just about spot on Dipdodah.
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I am sure GHM can remember the debates of the 60's and early 70's concerning a by pass. Correct me if I am wrong but I think we were offered a relief road immediately or a by pass in 10 years. I am sure the council voted for a relief road to protect the shop keepers in Boston. I think the council was made up of several shopkeepers. Hence the scar that is John Adams way which runs through our little town. I could also be wrong but I think we were told if we took the relief road option, then the by pass option would then not be available to us in the future. I am sure some patterers have a better memory than me.
Like SL I think the above is about right Dip .
Re: Council make up it is fair to say it was mainly made up of shopkeepers , in those days Dip you were either a shopkeeper or a pub landlord !!!!
At that time the no by-pass clause may have been fair and acceptable . But with the population explosion in recent years it is now a very different situation .
Not acceptable for LCC members saying rivers and Rail lines expensive to cross , it,s done in other places .
To change topic slightly its good to see the rest of the UK catching up with Boston abait lagging years behind , yes it must be odd for people in other parts of the country to see cars without a tax disc on display ;)
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when there are no holdups or roadworks in Bostons antiquated road system,it does,in fairness,seem to flow reasonbly well....and I make these comments as a very busy person travelling around Boston on a daily basis...Where everything fails is when "someone" decides thas its a good idea to forbid the right hand turning from Southend onto J.A.W. at the same time that major roadworks and their associated disruption is taking place....that decision just beggars belief....The other point to bear in mind is this proposed cycle lane that is being incorporated within the road system.....When did you last see lots of cyclists on J.A.W.?....There are cycle lanes on London Road and Sleaford Road,and they never seem to be used by cyclists...do they?....Who decided that we need another cycle lane?
And if its so essential that we have one,why wasnt the work incorporated in the major roadworks we had a J.A.W. a few months ago?
Im very very sad to say that our once lovely town is becoming a joke....and yet with just a little bit of commonsense,thought and planning all the congestion we have at the moment could be avoided.....Of course NOTHING WILL HAPPEN,the Highways Authority will say that they are considering doing work at night,blah blah,blah,and they will spin the situation by saying "it will be worth it"......They will carry on this "spinning" for another 3 weeks and when they decide to do something it will be too late because their cycle lane has been constructed and everything will be back to normal.......until the next time..
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JP has got it spot on. Why on earth prevent traffic turning right onto JAW out of Southend, what purpose is it serving. Can someone please tell me what work has been done on JAW during the past 2 or 3 weeks, I drove down it today and could not see any difference. My answer to this fast becoming arsehole of Lincolnshire is to move away from it as soon as possible.
I do recall that in the 70s and 80s Gainsborough had that title.
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If the "either, or" offer was made, then it was made by either a long defunct government, or Holland County Council, which no longer exists. Lincolnshire County Council didn't come into being until April 1974 and we've had many general elections since then. In my book, that means all bets are off. We were promised a new hospital just after the war, but it took 41 years to fund and build it. A similar promise was made for a Liverpool hospital on the same day as us, but that had been funded, built, worn out, demolished and replaced in the 41 years. Was Spalding told that the eastern by-pass meant no other scheme could be considered subsequently? Facts prove otherwise. As for Lincoln, at present rate of progress it will appear on the map as a dart board within twenty years. We have been in the news a great deal lately, and there is no excuse for not knowing that we exist. Enough is enough. We need to catch up with the rest of the country now, and to hell with the cost of bridges and other excuses.
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If the "either, or" offer was made, then it was made by either a long defunct government, or Holland County Council, which no longer exists. Lincolnshire County Council didn't come into being until April 1974 and we've had many general elections since then. In my book, that means all bets are off. We were promised a new hospital just after the war, but it took 41 years to fund and build it. A similar promise was made for a Liverpool hospital on the same day as us, but that had been funded, built, worn out, demolished and replaced in the 41 years. Was Spalding told that the eastern by-pass meant no other scheme could be considered subsequently? Facts prove otherwise. As for Lincoln, at present rate of progress it will appear on the map as a dart board within twenty years. We have been in the news a great deal lately, and there is no excuse for not knowing that we exist. Enough is enough. We need to catch up with the rest of the country now, and to hell with the cost of bridges and other excuses.
I think we have been taken by mugs for far too long . Talking to a gentleman recently who had just moved to the area from Bristol , His first comment was "what a funny traffic system at Boston , why no by-pass ?
As it stands it will be the same "funny traffic system " in twenty years time . Maybe things will improve next May if we get a more energetic MP , is the answer to get out the banners now and lobby LCC and our MP .?
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The way things look we may have to lobby UKIP together it done, it would probably get them the seat. Immigration and a bye pass, now there's a way onto the MPs expenses train.
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Not surprised the temporaŕy traffic lights caused a serious accident today! Who ever placed them there needs sacking!
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Not surprised the temporaŕy traffic lights caused a serious accident today! Who ever placed them there needs sacking!
I'm interested in how you can attribute the placing of temporary traffic lights in the event of an accident ? Surely it has to be down to the error of the concerned motorist/s.
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Not surprised the temporaŕy traffic lights caused a serious accident today! Who ever placed them there needs sacking!
I'm interested in how you can attribute the placing of temporary traffic lights in the event of an accident ? Surely it has to be down to the error of the concerned motorist/s.
Can,t comment on accident or placement of stoplights today as I have not been down JAW. But if they were placed and being repositoned while traffic still being permitted to flow as on Friday morning, then yes its easy to envisage an accident happening .
Even so I am sure a Highways Dept spokesman will claim otherwise in Weds local papers .
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Not surprised the temporaŕy traffic lights caused a serious accident today! Who ever placed them there needs sacking!
I'm interested in how you can attribute the placing of temporary traffic lights in the event of an accident ? Surely it has to be down to the error of the concerned motorist/s.
Did you see where the lights where positioned? also the traffic lights are about the same size as our midfield!!
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Thousands of motorists including myself have driven down John Adams Way without colliding with any pedestrians during this temporary traffic light business. Yes they are quite small lights but obviously most folk notice them. It's quite ironic that the roadworks and tailbacks could actually help you drive safer thanks to you not bring able to drive over 20mph. I shouldn't of come out with that line, someone from the road agency might just nick it. :dan
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The toytown lights I passed through would be fine if the road was restricted to mobility scooters .
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To have such small lights on such a busy main through road is silly. I have driven past them quite a few times this week and yet Still find them easy to miss. They are such insignificant looking things I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of rear enders, perhaps there has but the only people to know about them would be the insurers. They need raising about 3 feet and maybe double them up so they become more obvious. As for the accident, it could have been a foreigner looking left instead of right before staggering into the road.
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It's all very well and good complaining about what's going on but what's the betting that in the local elections next year we vote in the same lot? And the same will happen at the county council elections - we get what we vote for. Change that and we might get a change of heart. I won't hold my breath 8)
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When I was back in town for the FA Cup match the other week I shook my head yet again at the state of the traffic in town. Who's great idea was it to re-route all the right turning traffic over a bridge, round a roundabout and back over the bridge again, through an extra three sets of traffic lights? How is that meant to reduce jams?
And then to add in those temporary traffic lights, which I didn't see till I'd driven past them. Not only are they small, they're also so low down that pedestrians can stand in front of them, as they were on Saturday afternoon. Routes with high freight volume get additional traffic lights added which are taller than normal, not smaller. I'm surprised there's not some legal issue about it.
To add to the bypass debate, if anyone's driven to Kettering recently they've seen the lovely new A43 Geddington bypass just after Corby. I've been on it a few times now since it opened this summer. Four miles of dual carriageway, a couple of roundabouts and bridges costing 34 million, and I've never seen an emptier road in my life.
I'm aware that a Boston Bypass would be more than 34 million for even a single lane road, but if money can be so totally wasted on this dual carriageway it makes you wonder exactly who is making these decisions and what kickbacks they're receiving.
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On Look North last week they were debating The Boston Bypass. Lincoln are getting a Bypass with a lower volume of traffic than Boston. Seems fishy to me.
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Looks like another accident near the roadworks now! Luckily it looks like no pedestrian involved!
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On Look North last week they were debating The Boston Bypass. Lincoln are getting a Bypass with a lower volume of traffic than Boston. Seems fishy to me.
So are Grantham and Spalding. Why? Only the lunatics know.
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I'm pleased that people are beginning to highlight the projects going ahead in other parts of the county. Lincoln has announced several schemes and indeed, I believe they eventually plan to complete a ring road as well as a relief road through the centre. They always seem to "find the funding" for their schemes and I have never seen any statements saying that Lincoln needs to "make a case for a bypass" or "it's too expensive" etc etc. It is simply considered as a given that these scheme's should go ahead.
What we have had over the past 20 years that I have been following this (and probably much much longer) is just a long succesion of excuses, delaying tactics and so on by Lincolnshire County Council, all designed to just fob us off. Whenever the subject gets hot, they release a few statements to cool the situation, we all forget about it for a while, and then its back to business as usual. To me this is a failing by the politicians who have represented us. Its been all to easy to just accept it and keep the staus quo, while all the time literaly decades are passing. What we need is a sustained effort to hold the powers that be to account. It's hard, but not impossible to do this as a group of indivduals. However, I would love to see a decent MP spearhead the campaign. Such an individual would have it within their power to ask the difficult questions of both the local authority and the government.
It seems to me though, that Boston is in general just a political football. Used as a cushty safe seat by career tories and now by UKIP to try and tap into the anti foreigner/european sentiment in the town. None of them actually give a damn and once elected would simply pay lip service to local probelems. No doubt tho, when one of our candidates makes a vague mention of the bypass, we will be sucked in, hook line and sinker inti voting for them.
Personally I'm fed up of hearing soundbites from LCC, MP's, Councilors etc, I'd like to see some real action and some real information. I'd like to see detailed plans/costings/reports that make the case that Boston DOESN'T require a bypass. Then I'd like to see the same rationaled applied to the other schemes going ahead in the county in Lincoln, Spalding and Grantham. I'm fed up of seeing the people in this town taken for mugs.
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I'm pleased that people are beginning to highlight the projects going ahead in other parts of the county. Lincoln has announced several schemes and indeed, I believe they eventually plan to complete a ring road as well as a relief road through the centre. They always seem to "find the funding" for their schemes and I have never seen any statements saying that Lincoln needs to "make a case for a bypass" or "it's too expensive" etc etc. It is simply considered as a given that these scheme's should go ahead.
What we have had over the past 20 years that I have been following this (and probably much much longer) is just a long succesion of excuses, delaying tactics and so on by Lincolnshire County Council, all designed to just fob us off. Whenever the subject gets hot, they release a few statements to cool the situation, we all forget about it for a while, and then its back to business as usual. To me this is a failing by the politicians who have represented us. Its been all to easy to just accept it and keep the staus quo, while all the time literaly decades are passing. What we need is a sustained effort to hold the powers that be to account. It's hard, but not impossible to do this as a group of indivduals. However, I would love to see a decent MP spearhead the campaign. Such an individual would have it within their power to ask the difficult questions of both the local authority and the government.
It seems to me though, that Boston is in general just a political football. Used as a cushty safe seat by career tories and now by UKIP to try and tap into the anti foreigner/european sentiment in the town. None of them actually give a damn and once elected would simply pay lip service to local probelems. No doubt tho, when one of our candidates makes a vague mention of the bypass, we will be sucked in, hook line and sinker inti voting for them.
Personally I'm fed up of hearing soundbites from LCC, MP's, Councilors etc, I'd like to see some real action and some real information. I'd like to see detailed plans/costings/reports that make the case that Boston DOESN'T require a bypass. Then I'd like to see the same rationaled applied to the other schemes going ahead in the county in Lincoln, Spalding and Grantham. I'm fed up of seeing the people in this town taken for mugs.
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I'm voting for you sir 8)
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Make that +2
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Maxross MP, has a good ring to it. I'm in.
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I have said for years that the problem is that there are too many rivers/ drains/ watercourses and the railway to cross (at least twice) and an LCC looney confirmed it last week on Look North. I also like the cut of Maxross's jib. Well said Sir.
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I'm pleased that people are beginning to highlight the projects going ahead in other parts of the county. Lincoln has announced several schemes and indeed, I believe they eventually plan to complete a ring road as well as a relief road through the centre. They always seem to "find the funding" for their schemes and I have never seen any statements saying that Lincoln needs to "make a case for a bypass" or "it's too expensive" etc etc. It is simply considered as a given that these scheme's should go ahead.
What we have had over the past 20 years that I have been following this (and probably much much longer) is just a long succesion of excuses, delaying tactics and so on by Lincolnshire County Council, all designed to just fob us off. Whenever the subject gets hot, they release a few statements to cool the situation, we all forget about it for a while, and then its back to business as usual. To me this is a failing by the politicians who have represented us. Its been all to easy to just accept it and keep the staus quo, while all the time literaly decades are passing. What we need is a sustained effort to hold the powers that be to account. It's hard, but not impossible to do this as a group of indivduals. However, I would love to see a decent MP spearhead the campaign. Such an individual would have it within their power to ask the difficult questions of both the local authority and the government.
It seems to me though, that Boston is in general just a political football. Used as a cushty safe seat by career tories and now by UKIP to try and tap into the anti foreigner/european sentiment in the town. None of them actually give a damn and once elected would simply pay lip service to local probelems. No doubt tho, when one of our candidates makes a vague mention of the bypass, we will be sucked in, hook line and sinker inti voting for them.
Personally I'm fed up of hearing soundbites from LCC, MP's, Councilors etc, I'd like to see some real action and some real information. I'd like to see detailed plans/costings/reports that make the case that Boston DOESN'T require a bypass. Then I'd like to see the same rationaled applied to the other schemes going ahead in the county in Lincoln, Spalding and Grantham. I'm fed up of seeing the people in this town taken for mugs.
Agree with all those comments , the problem is we get a tory MP who sees this as a comfortable safe seat , no need to upset his masters with local problems .
It now looks as if this complacentcy may have back fired and delivered the seat to UKIP. If this turns out to be the case B&S constituentcy will have become a "marginal" seat overnight .
Now governments always seem to find that little bit extra cash to spend in those areas , look at Lincoln , remember Labour/Barbara Castle /Humber Bridge ?
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You would think with Lincolnshire having a thriving tourist industry, that the powers that be would see that Boston is the blockage in the artery to the east coast. I would dread to think how many people south of the midlands do not visit Skegness due to the bottleneck in Boston.
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And then to add in those temporary traffic lights, which I didn't see till I'd driven past them. Not only are they small, they're also so low down that pedestrians can stand in front of them, as they were on Saturday afternoon. Routes with high freight volume get additional traffic lights added which are taller than normal, not smaller. I'm surprised there's not some legal issue about it.
There will be a legal issue when somebody sues...the lights are too low.
The lights are on at BBC Highways Department but there is nobody at home >:(
To add to the bypass debate, if anyone's driven to Kettering recently they've seen the lovely new A43 Geddington bypass just after Corby. I've been on it a few times now since it opened this summer. Four miles of dual carriageway, a couple of roundabouts and bridges costing 34 million, and I've never seen an emptier road in my life.
I'm aware that a Boston Bypass would be more than 34 million for even a single lane road, but if money can be so totally wasted on this dual carriageway it makes you wonder exactly who is making these decisions and what kickbacks they're receiving.
At the moment LCC is wasting thousands of pounds of taxpayer's money (£100k+) on defending a High Court case over a small wind turbine which barely generates enough power to run a microwave oven if the wind is blowing. This is happening in a village on the outskirts of Boston
The drive for renewable energy obviously outweighs the delays in the drive across town, in the minds of the Councillors anyway :dan
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There was a nasty ding on the dual carriageway outside the Bluewater shopping centre today.
Same reason, temporary traffic lights in the roadworks were too low to be seen when pedestrians were stood in front of them waiting to cross... it seems we are not the only ones with this problem :-\
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Also another petition here http://epetitionslincolnshire.firmstep.com/petitions/boston-bypass-and-traffic-improvements-be-brought-forward
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1,093 signatures so far. A long way off the 100,000 needed to be considered for debate in parliament. Without any serious publicity this campaign is already fizzling out, probably much to the delight of the politicians. I doubt it was ever really going to take off when you consider the aging population and their lack of computer access / knowhow.
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1,093 signatures so far. A long way off the 100,000 needed to be considered for debate in parliament. Without any serious publicity this campaign is already fizzling out, probably much to the delight of the politicians. I doubt it was ever really going to take off when you consider the aging population and their lack of computer access / knowhow.
Even the Support the Quadrant petition has got 1393 signitures!
The biggest problem is making people aware there is a petition available.
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The biggest problem is the politicions will ignore it, they don,t give two hoots about petitions as they can easily be binned . A few hundred confronting them on a regular basis with the complaint will be more likely to motivate them .
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1,093 signatures so far. A long way off the 100,000 needed to be considered for debate in parliament. Without any serious publicity this campaign is already fizzling out, probably much to the delight of the politicians. I doubt it was ever really going to take off when you consider the aging population and their lack of computer access / knowhow.
Hold on there fella. That's a bit ageist. I am almost 80, have 2 laptops, smart phone and a tablet, entirely self taught and probably have a better knowledge of computing than you. Also a good number of my friends between 75 and 85 are also computer literate. ::)
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Reminds me of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON3BH2Qvo7Y
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Like it, like it.excellent. Wish I understood all that jargon though. ::)
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eggsbox...........pmsl
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It seems that the people who were run over in the roadworks on John Adams Way only have themselves to blame :o
According to the expert quoted on the front page of the Boston Standard, they probably looked the wrong way when crossing as they were foreign nationals and, as the pubs were open, they'd probably had a few cold drinks.
No blame on the motorists, just advice to slow down to 20 mph, and no mention of the traffic lights being too low either...a nice bit of disinformation, and very useful if somebody did decide to sue :dan
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Bloody hell, I must be psychic. My post on here on 5th October was prophetic.