Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Kearsley Pilgrim on May 10, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
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A last minute extra-time goal gives Altrincham a 2-1 win in the play-off final against Guiseley.
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Leaving us about the only proper club in the division.......
There can be no mistakes next season, we need to get out of this hell hole and back where we belong.
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Altrincham had really promoted the game this week - and had been making the point that it was the only local game being played today. Yesterday's Manchester Evening News had reported that they'd hoped to attract a crowd of 3,000+. From Guiseley's end, they had provided free transport for their supporters. All this effort obviously paid dividends - with the crowd announced as 4,630.
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Leaving us about the only proper club in the division.......
There can be no mistakes next season, we need to get out of this hell hole and back where we belong.
We still be way down the list as far as money goes, so just because we have a decent ground and a good fan base dont mean we will have a edge on anyone.
You can be sure there be 5-6 heavily bank rolled tin pots in there
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Leaving us about the only proper club in the division.......
A little bit harsh on Stockport?
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Leaving us about the only proper club in the division.......
There can be no mistakes next season, we need to get out of this hell hole and back where we belong.
We still be way down the list as far as money goes, so just because we have a decent ground and a good fan base dont mean we will have a edge on anyone.
You can be sure there be 5-6 heavily bank rolled tin pots in there
But Mr Newton is bankrolling your own club isn't he?
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But Mr Newton is bankrolling your own club isn't he?
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No.
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Leaving us about the only proper club in the division.......
There can be no mistakes next season, we need to get out of this hell hole and back where we belong.
We still be way down the list as far as money goes, so just because we have a decent ground and a good fan base dont mean we will have a edge on anyone.
You can be sure there be 5-6 heavily bank rolled tin pots in there
But Mr Newton is bankrolling your own club isn't he?
You're boring.
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No.. Mr newton is trying to build our club a sustainable future totally different to bankrolling our club. If that was the case he would be ploughing his money into the playing budget and that is not the case..
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Leaving us about the only proper club in the division.......
A little bit harsh on Stockport?
Possibly Scott, but they've been nowhere all season.
For my money we're the biggest traditional non league club outside the Conference Premier and its a disgrace.
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Bankrolling is more throwing money at something without realistic atemps to balance the book.
Newton as cut budget year on year to do this and possibly looking at accounts from last year if it wasnt for a drop on the gate just maybe we may have nearly been there.
Bit of a difference in propping a club and bankrolling
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Congratulations to Altrincham :)
Commiserations to Guiseley :(
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TRUST me theres nothing wrong with our budget its one a manager would die for.
its getting the balance right our many POODLES to bring in from the south and our many ROTTWEILERS from the north.
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TRUST me theres nothing wrong with our budget its one a manager would die for.
its getting the balance right our many POODLES to bring in from the south and our many ROTTWEILERS from the north.
what?
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TRUST me theres nothing wrong with our budget its one a manager would die for.
its getting the balance right our many POODLES to bring in from the south and our many ROTTWEILERS from the north.
what?
Miele, what are you on about? Try to speak English if you want to make a point.
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TRUST me theres nothing wrong with our budget its one a manager would die for.
its getting the balance right our many POODLES to bring in from the south and our many ROTTWEILERS from the north.
Newsham and Ross are from the North, are they rottweilers? Is Ricky Miller a poodle?
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TRUST me theres nothing wrong with our budget its one a manager would die for.
its getting the balance right our many POODLES to bring in from the south and our many ROTTWEILERS from the north.
Miele, you are barking mad.
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TRUST me theres nothing wrong with our budget its one a manager would die for.
its getting the balance right our many POODLES to bring in from the south and our many ROTTWEILERS from the north.
Miele, you are barking mad.
and it's "how" not "our", get your "granddad" to spell check your posts.
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TRUST me theres nothing wrong with our budget its one a manager would die for.
its getting the balance right our many POODLES to bring in from the south and our many ROTTWEILERS from the north.
Miele, you are barking mad.
and it's "how" not "our", get your "granddad" to spell check your posts.
Or do everyone a favour and stop
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Bankrolling is more throwing money at something without realistic atemps to balance the book.
Newton as cut budget year on year to do this and possibly looking at accounts from last year if it wasnt for a drop on the gate just maybe we may have nearly been there.
Bit of a difference in propping a club and bankrolling
Bankrolling is supporting an unsustainable budget. i.e. Having a bigger playing budget than you can afford (debts guaranteed by Chestnuts = bankrolled)
BUFC have no realistic way of paying for a new ground. Their chairman, through his construction business will bankroll the cost.
You rather daft statement about a drop on the gate, could apply to all teams who lost money
Why not accept the fact that you are financially supported by Chestnuts, and be pleased you have David Newton in charge
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Why not accept the fact that you are financially supported by Chestnuts, and be pleased you have David Newton in charge
No-one denies that (we wouldn't exist otherwise)? The term bankrolling is something Trinity fans like yourself should be familiar with - it happened with you under Swann. Swann bankrolled your rise up the table, signing players on inflated wages.
David Newton was in charge of BUFC then - if he was bankrolling us, he'd have prevented players like Jamie Yates and Mark Jones signing for you by offering more money. He didn't.
It is now happening at clubs like North Ferriby, Guiseley and Brackley - it is obvious when clubs have mediocre attendances, yet manage to sign players like Yates, Adam Boyes and Stefan Moore. Our manager had his squad bankrolled at St Neots, at UCL level - similar to Spalding United now.
Why is it difficult for you to grasp the difference between bankrolling, and having losses covered (but decreased)? I'm sure DG asked Newton every week during the season for extra room in the playing budget, yet we still had to keep the squad size pretty constant.
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Why not accept the fact that you are financially supported by Chestnuts, and be pleased you have David Newton in charge
No-one denies that (we wouldn't exist otherwise)? The term bankrolling is something Trinity fans like yourself should be familiar with - it happened with you under Swann. Swann bankrolled your rise up the table, signing players on inflated wages.
David Newton was in charge of BUFC then - if he was bankrolling us, he'd have prevented players like Jamie Yates and Mark Jones signing for you by offering more money. He didn't.
It is now happening at clubs like North Ferriby, Guiseley and Brackley - it is obvious when clubs have mediocre attendances, yet manage to sign players like Yates, Adam Boyes and Stefan Moore. Our manager had his squad bankrolled at St Neots, at UCL level - similar to Spalding United now.
Why is it difficult for you to grasp the difference between bankrolling, and having losses covered (but decreased)? I'm sure DG asked Newton every week during the season for extra room in the playing budget, yet we still had to keep the squad size pretty constant.
Why can you not accept the fact that Chestnuts are bankrolling Bufc?
Swann did indeed bankroll us, like Newton is now for BUFC. Without his guarantee, you would not be able to operate at the level of losses you are currently are. Just because losses are decreased in a marginally successful season, doesn't alter the fact.
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Why not accept the fact that you are financially supported by Chestnuts, and be pleased you have David Newton in charge
No-one denies that (we wouldn't exist otherwise)? The term bankrolling is something Trinity fans like yourself should be familiar with - it happened with you under Swann. Swann bankrolled your rise up the table, signing players on inflated wages.
David Newton was in charge of BUFC then - if he was bankrolling us, he'd have prevented players like Jamie Yates and Mark Jones signing for you by offering more money. He didn't.
It is now happening at clubs like North Ferriby, Guiseley and Brackley - it is obvious when clubs have mediocre attendances, yet manage to sign players like Yates, Adam Boyes and Stefan Moore. Our manager had his squad bankrolled at St Neots, at UCL level - similar to Spalding United now.
Why is it difficult for you to grasp the difference between bankrolling, and having losses covered (but decreased)? I'm sure DG asked Newton every week during the season for extra room in the playing budget, yet we still had to keep the squad size pretty constant.
Why can you not accept the fact that Chestnuts are bankrolling Bufc?
Swann did indeed bankroll us, like Newton is now for BUFC. Without his guarantee, you would not be able to operate at the level of losses you are currently are. Just because losses are decreased in a marginally successful season, doesn't alter the fact.
Because they aren't! Swann and Newton are two different types of owner. It's like comparing Roman Abramovich to Mike Ashley, or Crawley in the Conference to Hyde United.
Just because he guarantees the losses, doesn't mean he is overspending. You either totally misunderstand David Newton, or misunderstand the term 'bankrolling'.
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Peter Swann threw a lot of money at the team and gave the fans a couple of decent seasons .
Credit due to him thankfully he left Gainsboro with no long term debts . What he did,nt leave was a springboard in place for Trinity to progress , appeared to have no plan for the club to show real progress .
What is happening at Boston is Chestnuts are progressing in a multi-million pound project with a sound business plan , as you would expect from a company like Chestnuts with a sound reputation built up in the construction industry over many years .
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Peter Swann threw a lot of money at the team and gave the fans a couple of decent seasons .
Credit due to him thankfully he left Gainsboro with no long term debts . What he did,nt leave was a springboard in place for Trinity to progress , appeared to have no plan for the club to show real progress .
What is happening at Boston is Chestnuts are progressing in a multi-million pound project with a sound business plan , as you would expect from a company like Chestnuts with a sound reputation built up in the construction industry over many years .
Not quite correct, but the end result is the same
Swann had a really good plan (on paper) but the intransigence and downright hostility from the supporters club, and a section of support made it nearly impossible to succeed
He supported the wage bill, in the hope of promotion, to make his plan(s) work.
Boston's business plan (football wise) is not greatly different- new ground, new income streams, break even/profit etc
The big difference is that the finance for the development appears to be dependent on Chestnuts getting planning consents for a massive housing development. Hope BUFC fans aren't putting eggs in one basket- is there a plan B
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Plan B. Buy Gainsborough Trinity and create affordable housing for 26 fans
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Yes Plan B......................... We say feck it lock the doors and go watch Boston town fc
Had a look at financial Statments from a season ago. Im no expert but i make it a 35k lose.
Intresting to note attendance was down ave 180 that season so on the basis of half kids half adults ave £8 head would have been a 28,560 fall on the amount the budget was set for. bringing us back to a lose of £6440
Also take into count JL and Drury pay offs it does look like Newton nearly nailed is aim that season, so why he his underpinning a lose at BUFC he certainly shown he aint going to bankroll the club to a point where he knows he going to lose out and tries to balance the books.
And while we are on the term of ground its worth taking into account that whiles the ground is the new be the home of bufc. Boston united will not own the ground and not be apart of its financial side in the building of it of the deals in place to build it.
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Peter Swann threw a lot of money at the team and gave the fans a couple of decent seasons .
Credit due to him thankfully he left Gainsboro with no long term debts . What he did,nt leave was a springboard in place for Trinity to progress , appeared to have no plan for the club to show real progress .
What is happening at Boston is Chestnuts are progressing in a multi-million pound project with a sound business plan , as you would expect from a company like Chestnuts with a sound reputation built up in the construction industry over many years .
Not quite correct, but the end result is the same
Swann had a really good plan (on paper) but the intransigence and downright hostility from the supporters club, and a section of support made it nearly impossible to succeed
He supported the wage bill, in the hope of promotion, to make his plan(s) work.
Boston's business plan (football wise) is not greatly different- new ground, new income streams, break even/profit etc
The big difference is that the finance for the development appears to be dependent on Chestnuts getting planning consents for a massive housing development. Hope BUFC fans aren't putting eggs in one basket- is there a plan B
The end result for Swann was failure to achieve his aims . Chestnuts have not failed at this stage . Plan B for Boston fans ? see Bostonshire above .
It is clear Swann laid no foundations to move the club forward before talking about "plans", What streams did GTFC have in place to claim grants ? He was at the mercy of the supporters club as you suggest above , his first job should have been building bridges with them , he put the cart in front of the horse . Hope he does better at Scunny .
With all their expertise gained in years of big building projects I would guess to land required by Chestnuts will have been secured . Also various grants will be available . The planners and LCC appear keen to move the plan forward which is vital .
None of us have a crystal ball but my money is on Newton pulling it off .