Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Shodfried on October 10, 2009, 02:43:04 PM
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Big news today within David Newton's programme notes... He considered quitting last week after the ground's annual rent was upped to £72,000 (and backdated to 2006 with interest)...
I'm told there's also a loan reared its head from the previous owners.
Great call by all those who wanted Evans back. Well done to all. I hope it was worth it.
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That as may be but the issue thats been key for long while now is the ground and this increase does not take the piss it steals it.
It clear from this the Malks don't want money they want to be rid of the club and will continue to squeeze till its gone. Sad, sad day.
Yet more appreciation for David and Neil, what others would carry on in a situation like this?
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Its clear that the Malks want to make money out of the land the club is on and whilst the club sits there there's no way of them achieving their greedy little plan.
Whatever the plan is it'll be more self serving from a family that have exploited the local community for a long time. I pitty anyone that lives around there and would encourage all those in Boston to fight their plans as vigourously as those of old Snotnick who went before as theres not a lot of difference between either them or Evans methods (birds of a feather)
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Surely BUFC have to find another ground . . quick ..!
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PRSA here we come!!!!!!!!!!
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u might not be far wrong qwerty..........saaaad news ..............
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In a couple of years where once stood our ancestral home will be a block of flats similar to Castle Square, down West Road - foriegn beers cans and fag packets littering everywhere.
As a dedication to its founder it could be called Pat Malkinson Towers.
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Its clear that the Malks want to make money out of the land the club is on and whilst the club sits there there's no way of them achieving their greedy little plan.
Their land and they are entitled to do with it what they want within the law. I wouldn't call it a greedy little plan. Just looking more and more desperate to me. They realise that they will get more for a vacant piece of land now, rather than get whats left over after the receviers have sold it!
Cashflow is the name of the game here, and the club need more and more cash flowing to them NOW. This is the time when we should be supporting everthing we can not just home games, who's bought tickets to the fireworks night? Who's had a Saturday night in the Pilgrim Lounge? Take your neighbours to the Pilgrim Lounge and sell them some Fireworks night tickets.
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Before the lynch mob is sent round Malky's just remember who kept the club afloat almost single handedly in the 80's and 90's when interest in the club was almsot zero. And remember back then what the rent on the ground was........a quid a year.
Malky's no angel but he's been through the mill thanks to that crook he appointed as manager and its made him an ill man. While I think quite frankly the rent increase is taking the piss people need to step back and think that without Pat and his Dad before him there'd have been precious little in the way of entertainment in this town what with the Glider and BUFC.
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I remember being called all the names under the sun when I questioned The Malkies. I was told in no uncertain terms that the Malkies are Boston United. Well they have a funny way of showing it. I cannot put on here what I know because of legal issues, but lets say this does not surprise me. >:(
I remember when we the supporters built the new stands, I remember when we the supporters built the social Club. All of it with no cost to the club, and without incurring debt. I remember coming to see a match in the early 70's, and they had to keep the social club open during the match, because a certain director stayed in there because he thought the football club was a waste of time. A few weeks later when the money started coming through the lottery he was their best supporter.
Sorry but all those years ago " I told you so " >:(
Boycott the Bingo. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Time for the club and the council to get together for a suitable site for a new ground as soon as possible-that kind of outlay is just not sustainable.But please,please not the PRSA.
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Whatever the politics of the situation .. BUFC fans must accept that the relationship with the previous benefactors is now well and truly defunct .. and now becoming extremely hazardous to the Club's survival .
Time to buy that plot of land .. progress the pitch(es) and car parks .. and literally carry the covered stands over there .
To start ANEW
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I couldnt care if we played in the street so the malki can have there poxy bloody land back.
they can stick there bingo up there ..........
Why line there pockets
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Time for the club and the council to get together for a suitable site for a new ground as soon as possible-that kind of outlay is just not sustainable.But please,please not the PRSA.
It'd be nice to see the council block any plans they have as the people of Boston paid for the ground infrastructure not the Malkies. I cannot believe how niave people are towards the Malkies I would'nt trust one of them with walking someone over the road.
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Its clear that the Malks want to make money out of the land the club is on and whilst the club sits there there's no way of them achieving their greedy little plan.
Their land and they are entitled to do with it what they want within the law. I wouldn't call it a greedy little plan. Just looking more and more desperate to me. They realise that they will get more for a vacant piece of land now, rather than get whats left over after the receviers have sold it!
Cashflow is the name of the game here, and the club need more and more cash flowing to them NOW. This is the time when we should be supporting everthing we can not just home games, who's bought tickets to the fireworks night? Who's had a Saturday night in the Pilgrim Lounge? Take your neighbours to the Pilgrim Lounge and sell them some Fireworks night tickets.
Exactly within the law, funny how they try and use that when it suits and convieniently forget it likewise. Unscrupulous bunch...getting the message, I don't like them and never have ! I equally don't buy the "Ooh they saved the club for the town in the 90's its always been about the money for them and how they can use the club. It is a greedy plan if the family take more out of the community than they put in but hey that's capitalism I suppose bugger the consequences and future for everyone else and look after number one :(.
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Where's Mark Isaac when you need him, eh?
Don't suppose you could scan in that Newton column could you Andy and e-mail it me, when you get a spare 5 mins? I wonder how he's going to make Neil Kempster fix it.......?
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How much would ' the plot of land ' cost ? people ?
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Where's Mark Isaac when you need him, eh?
Don't suppose you could scan in that Newton column could you Andy and e-mail it me, when you get a spare 5 mins? I wonder how he's going to make Neil Kempster fix it.......?
Sorry Pete I stopped buying the programme this season........as good as it is they'll never be worth anything so I save my 2.50's and get one or two of these a year.
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How much would ' the plot of land ' cost ? people ?
7-9 Million at a conservative estimate with The Glider thrown in.
Why, you thinking of cobbling a few bob together Ted?
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Shods ..I meant ANOTHER plot of land .. cheap as possible !
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Where's Mark Isaac when you need him, eh?
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Hey !
game on ........
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Come home to "Roost" eh Mark, I seem to recall suggesting to you a few years ago we'd end up at the PRSA and was poo poo'd in a Melchet sort of way....looking a bit more likely now eh ?
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Come home to "Roost" eh Mark, I seem to recall suggesting to you a few years ago we'd end up at the PRSA and was poo poo'd in a Melchet sort of way....looking a bit more likely now eh ?
Wouldn't be so bad if alot of work was done on the ground, in the current state however I'd hate to go to a game there.
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The PRSA cannot hold any (semi-)professional games, as it received Lottery funding. Spalding anyone?
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Or Tatt Road ???
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Parking at FC is a 'mare with their 70 or 80 regulars, imagine 15 or 20 times that for a Utd game...... :o
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Or Tatt Road ???
Unibond standard?
I would imagine if you moved the temporary seating from the York Street stand to Spalding, it would be good enough for UniBond Prem
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Lets not even think about traipsing over to Spalding eh?
The club really do need to start looking at and for sites for a new stadium asap, and it'd be nice if the fans were consulted on the design, the last thing we want is a shitty Chester-esque abomination, lets build a new ground with a bit of character.
And if any of York St could be incorporated in a new ground mores the better.
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I remember the 80's and 90's a bit different from Shodried. Malkie was always interested in money and never the club, he should be ashamed at how he's squeezing the life out of the club, for someone who supposedly had the club at heart. I wasn't around when Ernest was involved but from what I'm told he was the club through and through, whereas Pat was never really interested.
As for the ground don't think Spalding or Town are right for us as we'd need to do work at both, like Shodfried said we need to get looking for land and get something sorted, until then we'll have to somehow raise the rent money.
One last thing for all those that where complaining about people saying on here we're lucky we still have a club, well we are because if DN and NK had of walked away that would of been game over and it looks like it's still in the balance...
Edit: Meant to say when we do get the land (I have faith in The Chestnuts) it might be worth building things piecemeal even if we have to start with only 1 main stand and 3 uncovered hard standing sides rather than compromising on quality to get it all built at once. We could then add to as and when we can afford?
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Or Tatt Road ???
Don't forget that that the benevolent Malkinsons have their tentacles wrapped around Sportsfund.
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Edit: Meant to say when we do get the land (I have faith in The Chestnuts) it might be worth building things piecemeal even if we have to start with only 1 main stand and 3 uncovered hard standing sides rather than compromising on quality to get it all built at once. We could then add to as and when we can afford?
Sorry mate, can't go with that, there's a number of club North of The Border done that and been left with the most souless of grounds imaginable. Look at Oxford too with its 3 sided ground, its the most souless of the new grounds.
Dave would do a lot worse than pop down to look at the new grounds at Dartford, Dulwich, Dorchester and Telford if he wants some inspiration.
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Far too many fell into the "comfort zone" when the club was saved.What has now happened was always a danger as the Malkinsons have been trying through the courts since that time to up the rent to far beyond 72k that they have achieved. I dont know if there is any right of appeal but would it be worth trying as in itself it would cost thousands in legal fees successful or not. It seems to me clear that they will continue visiting the courts after this judgement to up the rent to such a degree things will crumble over the during the next eight years it is therefore imperitive that a new ground is aquired ASAP.
The club has done wonderfully well to to expand the community side of the club which of course is essential if it is apply for and receive funding towards a new ground from the Football Foundation and other funding bodies, These approaches will now have to be made sooner rather than later. All possible funding bodies wil most certainly ask the question "what are the clubs supporters doing to raise funds for a new ground if we are to consider your request" That question needs to be answered positively, we must be showing we are doing our bit if we want them to do theirs.
The Supporters Trust that has struggled to exist over the past few monthe for various reasons including the "comfort zone" will be holding its monthly meeting on Thursday 29th October in the clubs board room to put forward a plan to raise funds towards a new ground thus satisfying those questions from the funding bodies, If you care and want to support this initiative please come along to the meeting you will be most welcome and I assure you will be listened to.
We know we cannot raise enough funds for a new ground but we can certainly do our bit for our club to help any bids put forward, Who knows if they see we are doing our bit that may just be what is needed for them to do theirs.
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Edit: Meant to say when we do get the land (I have faith in The Chestnuts) it might be worth building things piecemeal even if we have to start with only 1 main stand and 3 uncovered hard standing sides rather than compromising on quality to get it all built at once. We could then add to as and when we can afford?
Sorry mate, can't go with that, there's a number of club North of The Border done that and been left with the most souless of grounds imaginable. Look at Oxford too with its 3 sided ground, its the most souless of the new grounds.
Dave would do a lot worse than pop down to look at the new grounds at Dartford, Dulwich, Dorchester and Telford if he wants some inspiration.
I agree, im a big fan of Telfords ground, only 3 sides but it has great character, which is rare for a new stadium, id still rather have 4 sides.
The good thing about York street is that it looks quite full even when its not, see Chesters stadium for how not to do it
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lets get a new ground ASAP!so we can forget about the bad memories of Malkie and Evans!
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Edit: Meant to say when we do get the land (I have faith in The Chestnuts) it might be worth building things piecemeal even if we have to start with only 1 main stand and 3 uncovered hard standing sides rather than compromising on quality to get it all built at once. We could then add to as and when we can afford?
Sorry mate, can't go with that, there's a number of club North of The Border done that and been left with the most souless of grounds imaginable. Look at Oxford too with its 3 sided ground, its the most souless of the new grounds.
Dave would do a lot worse than pop down to look at the new grounds at Dartford, Dulwich, Dorchester and Telford if he wants some inspiration.
You're probably right, it's just a new ground built to the standard required isn't going to be cheap. Geeze I think Nuneaton spent a small fortune on Liberty Way and that has to be the worst new ground I've been to. It'd be great if it can be achieved in 1 hit but I'd hate to watch fottball at somewhere like Nuneaton.
Out of the 1's you've listed I've only been to Telford which is a fantastic ground but it cost the fans the club, they're lucky they have a supportive council which leases the new AFC club the ground for a peppercorn rent. Of the others don't think Dulwich have a new ground and don't know anything about Dorchester but have seen pictures of Dartford which is architecturally one of the best new grounds built. It was built for them by their council, can't see ours giving us the same support.
Me I'd like something like R&D's but that may be asking for too much, I'm sure the issue has just been pushed way up the list of priorities though.
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Dorchester
http://footballgroundguide.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=180
Dulwich
http://hoppysnaps.blogspot.com/2008/06/dulwich-hamlet-fc-champion-hill-stadium.html
I have to admit I thought it was a bit more developed than that but there's no doubting the facilities in the main stand.
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Dorchester
http://footballgroundguide.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=180
Yep that'd do us so:
Yes Dorchester, Dartford, Telford or R&D.
No: Nuneaton, Chester. I'd also propose a no to Nantwich or Burton.
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Dulwich is a ground I know well, in fact I played there last year in a charity football game, whilst we extended the supermarket next door....
Its a nice set up, not really big enough for United, but they work within their means, I spoke to the chairman a couple of times, and we sorted him out a few bits like dug outs, whilst we used his car park, they really do run everything on a shoestring.
I could tell every penny counted.
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Sounds like BUFC........
Dulwich get sub 200 gates though to be fair most weeks.
Of course we are forgetting 1 major issue here.....
The ground is the Malkinson's, we won't get a penny of the sale, although we'll be entitled to some grants we'll need to find a serious amount of collateral to even think about buying a plot of land, let alone putting stands and facilities on it.
Can you see the reaction locally if the council did help the club out? After the grubby antic of you know who this club is not well liked by the council tax payers of the borough, there'd be uproar if services were further cut to help provide a private company with a new facility.
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Guess the ground:
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40374000/jpg/_40374649_newbostonground203.jpg)
Isn't that The "Sotnick Arena"?
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mm Dulwich ground very London . I think ..
Think at leas t the Fantasy Island stand could be moved to the new place .
Hope for a timely focus on the matter from the Chairman ..
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Not so keen on the Dartford set up ;D
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/242071
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Such a shame that we should be discussing this when the focus ought to have been about todays game.It makes you wonder just how much of a kicking the club can keep taking.
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1964 - The rats all ran to Tattershall Road and left United to rot.
Malkie stood alone. Without him there would have been no Boston United for the last forty five years.
The club has had all of those years to resolve their problems, but we are still in the same big hole. Don't blame the Malkinson family for wanting their assets. They are not a charity for ever - just for all those times that they have saved us.
Help from our do nothing council could have resolved our problems many times over. Not with subsidy, but with a sensible approach to planning and getting rid of that NIMBY attitude. Boston is the worst place in the country for getting things done.
I will always be grateful for Pat and his dad. Time to move on. The hole will only get deeper. If it means the end, then I will be a sad old man, but bigger clubs than us have gone.
In this world you get nothing just for wishing.
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Not so keen on the Dartford set up ;D
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/242071
Thats what you'd have got if Evans and his rotten cronies had got their way.
If you were lucky.
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BBC no chance!I believe we still owe them 30+ grand plus interest from a previous loan!I guess Pere Noel can confirm this!
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I can't see BBC helping out with the land unless you want to plant trees on it. This may sound rediculous but perhaps a small advert in the Saudi Standard asking for someone with a few bob to spare to invest in a small club might draw some interest.
Someone once said to me "It's a shame grass doesn't burn". No idea what he meant.
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How much dosh as the guy from 'fantasy Island' got? One more thing, Boston is the place where the Pilgrim fathers set sail. If that's not enough fooking history for the town, then i don't know what is. The other side of the pond there's a team called the 'New England Revolution' They play at the 'Gillette Stadium' in Boston. How much trouble would it be to email them, phone them, just to get in touch?
check the grassy knoll
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£72 000 sounds a lot of money. What was the previous rent?
With the relaunch of the Save the Pilgrims fund can we raise the difference. It is obvious we need a long term plan now re the ground and I am convinced the Chesnuts are the people to deliver it.
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Oh and can someone please put a scan of the programme notes on here. I missed the Ashton match as I was in Coventry looking at the Uni with my daughter.
PS perhaps I should miss more matches if it means they play like that.
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I think the previous rent was about £52,000 per annum.
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The fans can,of course,help thruogh the Save The Pilgrims fund.For those on low income even buying a programme if you didn't buy one before,or even an extra pint in the Pilgrims Lounge all helps a little.I do though think the Club itself needs to be seen to be doing something,i.e.talking to the Council,actively seeking a new site etc.As far as i can see there is nothing stopping the Malkinsons attempting at least to put the rent up again next year..or the next year..or the year after that.It's clear they don't want us at York Street.Lets get out sooner rather than later.
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I don't think they will wait that long to try and put the rent up again. Interesting that when they were involved with the club in the Evans era anything 'under the table' seemed acceptable but now it's an honest club with a future they want to screw it. Some people just aren't happy unless they are making somebody else miserable. Sooner we get out of their clutches the better. The council could give the PRSA to the club, after all, it must be a real money burden to them. The running track could be torn up; I've never seen anyone running on it. It would be perfect with some development and what an opportunity to unload it. By the way, did they ever find out where that £1,000,000 loan went to. If that can be brushed under the table I'm sure giving the place to the club could be made acceptable to Boston tax payers as well.
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We're also forgetting that this is the Chestnuts area of expertise, if anyone can do it then it would be them. Im sure all plans will be drawn up accurately and with thought, not like the shit from Robwell and Evans.
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I am absolutely sure that David and Neil are doing everything they can to sort out this mess and get us re housed however, We have to accept it is one hell of a task.
Let us consider some of the issues. Do the Malkinsons really want us out ASAP? If this is the case why havent they persued a line of trying to have us ejected instead of just upping the rent? The answer to that is, that if they were successful they would have to re home us as sitting tennants which would cost them dearly. Does it not make sense from their point of view to either force us out by making the the rent so exhorbitant we have to leave of our own accord thus not costing them a penny or, to rake in up to a million pounds of easy money in rent over the next eight or nine years, either way they are the winners in this whole sorry mess.
These are just some of the things and there are many more that David and Neil have to get their heads round. There is one thing for sure it will be for us the fans to do all we can to help and assist them at this crucial time,we are all grateful to have a club that is run properly and honestly and we must put ourselves out a bit to ensure this continues.
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One more thing, Boston is the place where the Pilgrim fathers set sail.
Er, really...???
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Boston is the place where the Pilgrim Fathers didn't set sail. They tried to leave and were betrayed and arrested.
The Arbella sailed some years later and founded the colony where Boston Mass. now stands.
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One more thing, Boston is the place where the Pilgrim fathers set sail.
Er, really...???
Yes, they might of stopped off at some shitty place on the south coast on the way there, just to pick up a few beers. ;D
check the grassy knoll
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Oh and can someone please put a scan of the programme notes on here. I missed the Ashton match as I was in Coventry looking at the Uni with my daughter.
[Welcomes Ashton and reviews Durham and Buxton]
Off the pitch we have had a couple more significant financial setbacks. A £75,000 loan had been taken out by the previous owners which we knew would need repaying at some point in time. We had been covering the interest on the loan and over the past few weeks we have been negotiating to extend the period of the loan however, as is typical in the current financial climate, the lending bank have demanded repayment. We have managed to arrange for it to be repaid over the next 12 months, but it is a real blow when the club still continues to lose money and it certainly was not budgeted for.
We were also in the middle of a rent review on the ground, where the owners were attempting to put the rent up from £52,000 to £250,000 per year. Due to the unreasonable nature of the increase that was demanded there were no grounds for negotiation, therefore the matter ended in arbitratiton. Our experts presented good arguments that the rent should actually be reduced rather than increased, however we learned on Thursday that the rent had now been set at £72,000 per year by the arbitrator. The increase is a bad enough blow, but the worst aspect is that is figure is back dated (with interest), so coupled with the costs of our experts, and the arbitration process, this will cost us in the region of £110,000 to £120,000.
I have to admit this almost brought me to the point of walking away as there is a limit to what Neil and I can do, but having slept on things I realised that we had put far too much work into the club over the past two years and the reasons for getting involved back in 2007 are still the same, so we fight on. I just hope that our home performances start to match some of our great away performances. The home fans will then see what progress is being made and hopefully the gates will improve again to help us through what is a very difficult patch.
[Covers injury to steward, welcomes sponsors, hopes for three points and wishes everyone a safe journey home]
My apologies if I am infinging anyone's copyright - I think this needs as full an audience as possible.
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One more thing, Boston is the place where the Pilgrim fathers set sail.
Er, really...???
Yes, they might of stopped off at some shitty place on the south coast on the way there, just to pick up a few beers. ;D
check the grassy knoll
Plymouth, the 1600's very own Aldi! ;D
I think this whole episode sadly reflects that we will not be truely rid of the cancer of the last few years until we are sat in a new ground (however small) with a new board (hopefully the current one) where we can rebuild free of the last problem that has dogged the club in recent years. It's sad but I now can't see a way that we can do no other than leave York Street as fast as rebuilding will let us.
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I agree, and we should protest in our hundreds when planning comes up for York Street. >:(
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I hope the malkinsons feel proud of trying to hound the club out of York street
I don't know what they would do with the site anyway. Most property developers are notbuying any land at the moment, they have plenty to develop, arsenal for example have been reducing their prices enormously.
It strikes me that if they want to sell the site the only option is to force the club out of business, as they cannot develop whilst a sports club exists there
there is no doubt in my mind that the malkinsons are getting their financial rewards to pay for the heavy fine imposed by the fa, and getting it with interest
in my opinion pat was as guilty as evans for the fraud that occured during the promotion, and like evans they expect the innocent people who hold this club at heart to pay.
Absolute disgrace to ask for 250k per year, it say everything.
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You have hit the nail on the head.
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Even in the current market that site would move quickly if the council gives residential planning permission.
McCarthy & Stone may be very interested in building one of their retirement complexes on such a prime site.
Don't take this as starting a rumour. It's just that I know the way they think and they have made previous enquiries for Boston sites. The only constraint would be if the council did not allow three storey structures, but there's already some near the railway approach to the docks.
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Oh and can someone please put a scan of the programme notes on here. I missed the Ashton match as I was in Coventry looking at the Uni with my daughter.
[Welcomes Ashton and reviews Durham and Buxton]
We were also in the middle of a rent review on the ground, where the owners were attempting to put the rent up from £52,000 to £250,000 per year.
oh my word, Pat hand your head in shame
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im pleased the stands are no longer made of wood ;)
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Lets just look ahead a few years. What could the land be used for. A skating rink, unlikely. One can get their fingers burnt speculating in the leisure industry. A housing development; I'm sure there would be loads of objections against that by the residents in that area. The traffic congestion alone would be rediculous.
Mr.N (God bless him) seemed to think at the meeting before the season started that a Supermarket would be the most obvious route of development. I wonder if the residents in that area are aware of that burning fuse and if they aren't perhaps they should be made aware. Perhaps the council could restrict any development on that land to, yes youve guessed it, to the development of TREES, if they are still in control then.
I think we are very fortunate to have a man like Mr. Newton at the helm and we should keep on letting him know how grateful we are at every opportunity.
Just read you Fairfax. Can u imagine all the accidents on John Adams Way with folk leaving the retirement home and heading for town. As for those buildings u refer to, They look more like the barracks u get in Portsmouth dock yards, should have been just two stories high.
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Chris, thanks for typing out those programme notes...
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Cor, blimey..... Makes you wonder if there are any more Trevor Jordache's under the patio, eh?
Much appreciated Chris.
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Having looked at the quoted attendances in this mornings paper, ours was higher than either of the two matches in BS North/South, Ryman and Zamaretto Leagues, and even the Scottish 2nd and 3rd Divisions! Makes you wonder how these other clubs survive. ???
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Perhaps they haven't had people like Evans Or Malkinson trying to screw them. Just a thought. And who would blame Mr. Newton for walking away. He does his best, thinks they are getting somewhere and then some miserable *astard comes along and kicks him in the nuts. But it does show he is a better man than them in all respects because he doesn't lay down and give in and he has a heart. He will prevail but needs help and support.
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Bartmac,Evans have not been to those clubs!
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We're also forgetting that this is the Chestnuts area of expertise, if anyone can do it then it would be them. Im sure all plans will be drawn up accurately and with thought, not like the shit from Robwell and Evans.
At the last fans' forum:
Fan: [With regards to the new ground] what makes you think you'll be able to get it done this time?
DN: We're doing it.
;D
And yes, gotta love those Malkinsons...
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We're also forgetting that this is the Chestnuts area of expertise, if anyone can do it then it would be them. Im sure all plans will be drawn up accurately and with thought, not like the shit from Robwell and Evans.
At the last fans' forum:
Fan: [With regards to the new ground] what makes you think you'll be able to get it done this time?
DN: We're doing it.
Rinsed ;D
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Sorry I have not been on for a while but been in the Priory, now I have my head straight I would like to say that David & Neil have my full support and what they are doing for Boston United and sport in general in Boston is great and everybody should now help them make this move to a new stadium and secure the long term future of Boston United for the people of Boston.
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Wowee! a supportive contribution from our Piere, well done keep it up!!!!!!
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Perhaps they haven't had people like Evans Or Malkinson trying to screw them. Just a thought. And who would blame Mr. Newton for walking away. He does his best, thinks they are getting somewhere and then some miserable *astard comes along and kicks him in the nuts. But it does show he is a better man than them in all respects because he doesn't lay down and give in and he has a heart. He will prevail but needs help and support.
More than anything he needs a turn of fortune on the pitch, a good run at the top and the extra £20,000 a year should be licked into touch easily. The lump sum payment would need a title chase ending in some big gates to end the season (possibly taking it to the last home game, losing out and getting the playoffs) to get even close to paying off in gate reciepts. GULP No pressure
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Agreed, it must be demoralising pumping money into a club that loses all the time
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Perhaps they haven't had people like Evans Or Malkinson trying to screw them. Just a thought. And who would blame Mr. Newton for walking away. He does his best, thinks they are getting somewhere and then some miserable *astard comes along and kicks him in the nuts. But it does show he is a better man than them in all respects because he doesn't lay down and give in and he has a heart. He will prevail but needs help and support.
totally agree. We are very lucky to have a chairman with such high values and integrity. It's important that he hears that from the fans.
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Sorry forgot to add.
Not sure that ys is prime for a supermarket. Biggest issue is that there isn't any requirement in the local plan. Also traffic in town is bad. Traffic studies won't be ideal. Not that this stopped asda!
The current proposed redevelopment of the old kwik save and bus station offers better and easy retail solutions.
The best thing is to hope we can keep paying the exorbitant rental and frustrate the malkin$ons.
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I'll get my mum to go to the gala bingo from now on and tell the malkies to shove thier glider where the sun don't shine!
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Credit to the Malkies they have backed the club for many years, there does not always have to be a scapegoat, their past contribution should be applauded and we should be focused on supporting the current Chairman.
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Credit to the Malkies they have backed the club for many years, there does not always have to be a scapegoat, their past contribution should be applauded and we should be focused on supporting the current Chairman.
Which era are you giving credit for? Era 1 Ernest. Era 2 Pat and variuos managers or era 3 Pat and SE
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Or the time we were taken into the Boston & Dist league.
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Edit: Meant to say when we do get the land (I have faith in The Chestnuts) it might be worth building things piecemeal even if we have to start with only 1 main stand and 3 uncovered hard standing sides rather than compromising on quality to get it all built at once. We could then add to as and when we can afford?
I agree with this actually. I'm sure the club will consult fans on what they want to see at the new ground, but I'm not sure it'll be necessary. Like on another thread, I'd like to see us keep the traditional floodlights. I'd like to see a big terraced home end like the Town End - in fact I'd essentially want a copy of York Street, except with all the YS end facilities/directors' box etc moved into the new main stand (which won't have those pillars in the way!), and that end then made into a small-medium sized covered seating area for away fans. I expect the majority of fans would probably be thinking along similar lines...
Once the pitch is seeded, a stand erected and various community schemes are operating around the new ground, the new stands would hopefully spring up fairly quickly as the club would be ticking all sorts of boxes you need to for grants etc...
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Why not save a fortune on design and just copy Rushden & diamonds. Out of all the modern grounds theirs is alright. For me i'd have tow sides seats, one set behind the goal and one set along the pitch (as main stand) and the other two sides standing.
Getting ahead of myself but while we are discussing it that would be my thoughts, I'm not too fussed on the floodlights, could be a white elephant just to have the old style ones (which incidently do not comply with the Football league requirements). I hope the club move to a piece of land which is utilised for more than just match day football and find other income streams.
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Ground s/ be near to a station ( for Foxie and me ) !
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Iwould love a stadium like Nene Park but i think we can only dream. It was build in a better financiel climate than we are in now and backed by a multi-millonaire . It now seems a millstone round the clubs neck. Ithink we shall go on similar lines as suggested by WP and kick off with a more modest 4-5 thousand capacity set-up.
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And in all honesty why do we need anything other than a Conference standard ground?
Lets be honest, the local populous never came out and supported the club when we were a league side, compare and contrast with Yeovil who are in a similar location to us but who drew an average of 6000 for their 1st few league seasons......we struggled to get much past 2500 after that 1st couple of seasons.
As long as we don't end up with a new build horror like Chester,Aylesbury,Kingstonian,Witton eta al I'm of the train of thought that says a Conference standard ground will be more than satisfactory for us for the long term. Talk of a Rushden style ground is folly, The Chestnuts budget won't allow for such a grandiose scheme.
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AGREE . 1st League game v Bournmouth had gate of under 3000 I think . .V dissapointing . .
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I'd say there are 10 or a dozen more clubs in the conference at least better supported than us, so thats a bit of a crass statement Patrick......
http://www.tonykempster.co.uk/attcomp.htm
Based on last season there's about 15 Conference sides better supported than us, to me that makes us lower mid table fodder.
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Under 3000? The attendance was over 4100! There are clubs in League 2 even this season with gates far less than we ever averaged. With the right marketing and our current owners behind us rather than the previous lot there is no reason why we couldn't get gates of 2,800 in the Football League. Which is more than enough if other clubs are to go by. I don't know why we put ourselves down so much in Boston. Although we are really a Conference club we would be one of the bigger ones and there is no reason we couldn't challenge for a place in the Football League just like all the other clubs. We have good support.
Just to add on what patrick has said. Accrington get a few hundred more on their gate than ours and they get atleast 200-300 away fans in that amount. We average just fine until people found out the real Steve Evans, which for most it was within 9 months of his return.
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And in all honesty why do we need anything other than a Conference standard ground?
Lets be honest, the local populous never came out and supported the club when we were a league side, compare and contrast with Yeovil who are in a similar location to us but who drew an average of 6000 for their 1st few league seasons......we struggled to get much past 2500 after that 1st couple of seasons.
As long as we don't end up with a new build horror like Chester,Aylesbury,Kingstonian,Witton eta al I'm of the train of thought that says a Conference standard ground will be more than satisfactory for us for the long term. Talk of a Rushden style ground is folly, The Chestnuts budget won't allow for such a grandiose scheme.
It's ridiculous to compare Boston and Yeovil. Yeovil has the whole of the county of Somerset to draw on for support and precious few league clubs within any kind of driving distance. Boston has to compete with Lincoln, Peterborough, Grimsby, 2 teams in Nottingham, even the likes of Leicester, Derby, Hull and Leeds are not that far away. Now add to the mix, Grantham, Gainsborough, King's Lynn, Cambridge all competing at a similar and higher level.
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The year we 'won' the Conference we averaged a bit over 2300, the year before about 1700. Not nearly enough to go full time and not even close to the top 8 best supported sides in that league.
I stand by what I say, Boston would, as a steady Conference side attract no more than 15-1800 as an average.
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I think we may all have to lower our standards including myself. Slating grounds like Chester etc. when I don't think we'll be able to afford anything like the standard of Chester.
Have done a bit of digging and the results of how much a new stadium will cost is frightening. Sleaford Town's new ground cost 1.5M, see HERE (http://www.footballgroundsinfocus.com/TT78017.htm). Nantwich Town's cost 3.75M and is basically the same as Sleaford with a main stand, see at the the end of THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantwich_Town_F.C.) wiki article.
As I said before 1 main stand and 3 open sides is going to be the best bet and even that is costing the best part of 4M if Nantwich is to go by. Building something like what is being bandied around here is going to at least double that and I really cannot see where we are going to get the money from.
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The year we 'won' the Conference we averaged a bit over 2300, the year before about 1700. Not nearly enough to go full time and not even close to the top 8 best supported sides in that league.
I stand by what I say, Boston would, as a steady Conference side attract no more than 15-1800 as an average.
True 1500-1800 is not enough to go part time but there are a lot of sides in the Conference who are full-time on a lot lower averages than that. This is why there's so many clubs going to the wall or in financial trouble. Personally I think we'd probably average 2K if/when we get back to the conf nat as we'd have had some successful seasons in the league below which always builds the fan base. Whether we could keep that average is another thing. You've also got to look at the amount of away fans, Oxford, Wimbledon, Cambridge, Mansfield and Luton etc. would all bring large numbers. Realistically I would say we'd sit in the top 10 supported sides which is enough to challenge the top 5 as sides like Burton, Accrington, D&R etc. have proved.
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The year we 'won' the Conference we averaged a bit over 2300, the year before about 1700. Not nearly enough to go full time and not even close to the top 8 best supported sides in that league.
I stand by what I say, Boston would, as a steady Conference side attract no more than 15-1800 as an average.
True 1500-1800 is not enough to go part time but there are a lot of sides in the Conference who are full-time on a lot lower averages than that. This is why there's so many clubs going to the wall or in financial trouble. Personally I think we'd probably average 2K if/when we get back to the conf nat as we'd have had some successful seasons in the league below which always builds the fan base. Whether we could keep that average is another thing. You've also got to look at the amount of away fans, Oxford, Wimbledon, Cambridge, Mansfield and Luton etc. would all bring large numbers. Realistically I would say we'd sit in the top 10 supported sides which is enough to challenge the top 5 as sides like Burton, Accrington, D&R etc. have proved.
Indeed. If by then we were free of previous financial burdens and could set a budget truer to our gates, then all it ever takes is one good manager and a bit of luck in the play-offs... It's a fair way away for now though.
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Er, what would need to be done to, say, Town's ground to get it up to Conference standards?
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You'd need to do relatively little to bring it up to Conference North Standard though, probably add another turnstile block and tea bar/toilets, a new stand on the far side and possibly upgrade the lights a bit.
Having said that it'd still be a good few hundred thousand pounds for remedial work.
Whatever, its safe to say we'll get nothing like York St so those of you who like standing on the Town End should make the most of the next few years, and those who like their elevated view from the seats should again make the most of the next few seasons. If there's any part of a new ground higher than The Spayne Rd terrace I'll be amazed.
It'll be an out of town ground with very few aesthetically pleasing features.......a bit like a Chestnut Home really, functional and up to standard but unlikely to win too many design awards.
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Credit to the Malkies they have backed the club for many years, there does not always have to be a scapegoat, their past contribution should be applauded and we should be focused on supporting the current Chairman.
im not sure wether you missed this bit monty but i think you might find we are supporting the chairman,100%
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Bulldoze it and build a Conference standard ground, I think. ;D
ground shair anyone
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Maccy have sustained life in the FL for10 years including 1 year in Div 1 , Daggers , Barnet, Accrington are making a decent impact at the moment so it can be done. With the income from League sponsors and T V rights etc it is as viable to run a full=time team in the FL on gates of 1800 as it is to run a part=time BSP TEAM. The main ingredient being a fit and proper team of directors which we now have.
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I 'll get optimistic then . ghm ..
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A ground share might be the option that pleases most.
New shared ground for BUFC and BTFC is more financially viable
Malkies get their cash
Boston Woods get their land
and who knows Boston Borough Council might even back it
Just a thought
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Is that Town at York st or vice versa?
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mm This has been dissed soo many times over the years ,,
And u can't stay at Y ork St . hmn2p ..
Cos the Malks won't get their dev site , and still control the rent .. I think .
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Surprised no one has heeded Shoddy Lane,s warning "The Malkinsons have their tentacles wrapped around Sportsfund"
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It'll be an out of town ground with very few aesthetically pleasing features.......a bit like a Chestnut Home really, functional and up to standard but unlikely to win too many design awards.
We were thinking of buying a Chestnut Home!
They must have more than a few aesthetically pleasing features...
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if we want a new ground why doesn,t someone with more computer savey than me and with the right know how set up a buy a blade of grass for the pilgrims on line fund,then all our friends around the world could support us.
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Theres a Step 3 Club that are building a ground suitable for the ground grading requirements for £1.8m which I've been involved with through work. Most expensive part tends to be land purchase and services - just depends how grand we want to make it. Clubhouse if its built in to the stand can save a lot of money
Similarly I know another that think they can do something for just over £1m but it wouldn't be anywhere big enough for us
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"in the JPT"
Says it all...
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You can't judge a club on how many it gets for a JPT tie!
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Yes. But Accy Stan aren't a bigger club, they're very small for their level.
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Plus Elland Road looked more than half empty the other night!!!!
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Did we not get circa 800 gates in that waste of time too? I remember a game against Kiddy being a particularly poor turnout
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Did we not get circa 800 gates in that waste of time too? I remember a game against Kiddy being a particularly poor turnout
We 23/11 H V KIDDERMINSTER HARRIERS 1131 L 0-3 That's the lowest gate we got in that comp in our time in the FL
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Did we not get circa 800 gates in that waste of time too? I remember a game against Kiddy being a particularly poor turnout
a particularly poor result aswell
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One of Nathan Abbey's finest hours if I remember correctly...... I think word was just getting around regarding his dalliances with a certain someones spouse.... :o
I remember the game well, Gee threatened me as I queued up for a couple of tickets with the boy, he had Chinny and one of his 'boys' in tow at the time....... :D :D :D
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The only time in memory where I have left a Boston game early, I've been close a few times but that night I cared about as much as the players did and left just after half time.
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The only time in memory where I have left a Boston game early, I've been close a few times but that night I cared about as much as the players did and left just after half time.
What about the Grimsby game? I just stayed to boo.
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That last season was surreal, I can honestly say, hand on heart, I never stopped to boo the players off.
I just wanted to abuse McFraud, and laughably got abused myself on several occasions by apologists who still, despite the carnage he created, were loyal to the crook and who main argument tool was 'well he got us up, where would we be without him?'
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The only time in memory where I have left a Boston game early, I've been close a few times but that night I cared about as much as the players did and left just after half time.
What about the Grimsby game? I just stayed to boo.
Stayed to give Evans shit as he went off, as became the norm that season. I'd realised it might be our last in both the League and existence so strangely enjoyed every game even though we were terrible and only had a team of loan players by the end.
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One of Nathan Abbey's finest hours if I remember correctly...... I think word was just getting around regarding his dalliances with a certain someones spouse.... :o
I love these rumours! Wish i made it to more games so i actually understood all the nudge nudge wink wink!
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I'm a curious amber as well ...