Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Nundy Junior on October 19, 2013, 04:51:19 PM
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How did we get in this position, what was greenes team talk, sit back and dont play ball. Players thinking its easy and games won? There managers team talk must of been strong either that or the hairdryer treatment
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Went to the game today, I was expecting good things. First half fantastic and thought I was going to see a few more goals. I did see three more goals but sadly in the wrong net. As good as we were in the first half, we were shocking in the second half.
Three questions, why were we so poor second half, what the flying fook was the keeper up to and how can anyone complain about the sending off?
If I was the ref today he'd have walked!
Check the grassy knoll and the Spitfire real ale in the club house :bunny
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Definitely a sending off. The only complaints I heard was people moaning there tackle on Miller in the first half should have been a red. Saying that I don't think this ref hardly done much to endear himself to the locals in his previous games
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If timms had a problem why not call the ref over instead of booting it away, resulting in a yellow card for time wasting, IMO timms didn't seem himself the 2nd half
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Full marks to BUFC for a magnificent first half display.
Full marks for the Harrogate manager's half time team talk and second half substitutions.
Can't bring myself to say anything about our poor second half except that I am bitterly disappointed.
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It was a sending off and it's fortunate we now have another left back. Only question is was it inside the area? looked on the edge to me.
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Timm's needs to sort his attitude problem out. No excuses, he needs anger management councelling. To fanny about as he did is very immature
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For someone that wants to play at a high level and has previously done so must know better, big ego!
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Get into trouble when I criticise Timms so won't bother. It was a clear penalty right in front of me and was simply a case of their big number 5 diving in straight at Sansara and Sansara bottling it lifting his foot shoulder height, pathetic. Clearly man of the match Marshall although playing great in midfield is going to have to move to right back, Bore is far too slow and was shown up by their left winger who also scored a great goal after leaving him for dead. When Conner dropped to right back the lad hardly got a kick. Big disappointment after excellent first half.
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Massively disappointing performance second half. Only positives is how well we played first half and rene steer looks much better than sansara. Still in strong league position so must try kick on now and get behind the lads
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Timms was out of the ground faster than me today! 5.10pm, he drove out of the car park at high speed in his Mini to which the Harrogate bus driver shouted 'steady on fella!' This was right in front of Dennis Greene - they didn't even acknowledge each other as he drove off. I've been a real supporter of Timms up to now so I hope all is well in camp BUFC.
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Am I the only person to notice that Timms appeared to avoid the curling ball which resulted in Harrogate's second goal. From my viewpoint he seemed to moved his body out of the way assuming the ball was going to go wide when it would have been just as easy to catch or palm it away. No doubt the video highlights will show what actually happened.
I hope Ian Ross returns soon because had he been playing in the second half we wouldn't have conceded 3 goals.
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I thought that too, looked within diving reach had he of moved his feet across, whether it was or not will be cleared up by the highlights
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i dont understand why timms is coming into all this criticism, he couldnt do anything about the goals today, i think you are just being picky about the second goal, that was a class goal and if we had scored a goal like that you wouldnt be saying thats lucky their keeper should of saved it would you?
I couldnt believe marshall got motm, i thought in the second half he looked very tired and they were constantly coming straight through the middle at us, IMO which is what this forum is about, bore played very well today but i think the key point is, why did DG not make changes a lot earlier in the second half, we were poor from the very start of the second half, why does it take for them to score 2 and for us to look even worse and look like losing the game for him to make changes 15 mins from time, bizarre, very poor managerial decision. A very disappointing all round display in the second half, i cant even really remember us having a proper shot in the second half
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Will Sam Vince get his big chance against Altrincham next Saturday ?
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Unfair on Timms I think he is a very good keeper and played well today. He could not do a thing about any of the goals
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Timms was out of the ground faster than me today! 5.10pm, he drove out of the car park at high speed in his Mini to which the Harrogate bus driver shouted 'steady on fella!' This was right in front of Dennis Greene - they didn't even acknowledge each other as he drove off. I've been a real supporter of Timms up to now so I hope all is well in camp BUFC.
[/quote] strange that! He was picking Den up this morning when I shouted to him!
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If timms had a problem why not call the ref over instead of booting it away, resulting in a yellow card for time wasting, IMO timms didn't seem himself the 2nd half
Not sure if this is right but I thought he had a problem with the ball. He tried to get it changed earlier but thr ref wasn't having it. Next time it came to him he booted it out in disgust and got himself carded...thats the way it looked to me anyway.
Only thing wrong with that ball was that it spent too much time in the back of our net IMO. :dan
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Timms was complaining that the ball was flat and threw his dummy out (or the ball)because our bench and the idiot referee was ignoring him,surely that referee should of had a look at the ball he just loves being so biased against us its unbelievable also why the hell did Hall get booked when he won a ball in a great tackle.
First half played some good football against the worst side i've seen this year glad to see Newsham back only wish Swd would do half his running and hard work because he just looks so dis interested.
Second half we were a embarrassment though the game was won and we came out arrogant and trying to be clever,would like to know what the team talk was, Indy was by far the worst player this and last week looks way out of his depth in this league,Marshall had good game as usual thought MOM was correct even Garner looked shaky second half, then for some reason Greene decided to take the hard working miller of and sure up the left when all second half the right was the problem area Bore was struggling against their wing back all second half.
All credit to Harrogate though they came out and gave it a go 2nd half
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Unfair on Timms I think he is a very good keeper and played well today. He could not do a thing about any of the goals
Spot on !! Timms is by far the best keeper we have had for years, nothing he could have done about the second. The sending off, debatable as it looked like the other players head was down when he went in. Yes the foot was high but i have seen these given as a 50/50 before. Thought the ref for the second time in just over a month ruined it for us with some very poor decisions. That said, we should be closing out games when three up at half time.
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Massively frustrating after an excellent first half, but fair play to them, buzzed around 2nd half but even then we did the hard bit- we got to 65 minutes in tact- you've got to see it out from there, but they got 2 quick and by the time we had switched on, we were in free-fall and players were getting rattled and they fed off those nerves.
I know other teams will drop stupid points at some stage too but this league looks like it could be really tight- those 2 points are hopefully not going to be missed.
I thought had we won today, 2 draws would do me fine, so now we're needing to beat one of Alty/Brackley just to make up for today's disappointment
Another thing though, woeful attendance. No excuses for only getting 921 through the gate today. The club needs to try and get the fickle public back on side.
Shame we're all doom and gloom because the first 45 minutes were as good as we've played all season- including that 2nd half at Stockport and vs Guiseley
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Unfair on Timms I think he is a very good keeper and played well today. He could not do a thing about any of the goals
Spot on !! Timms is by far the best keeper we have had for years, nothing he could have done about the second. The sending off, debatable as it looked like the other players head was down when he went in. Yes the foot was high but i have seen these given as a 50/50 before. Thought the ref for the second time in just over a month ruined it for us with some very poor decisions. That said, we should be closing out games when three up at half time.
I don't get how people can come on and moan about Timms... he's made ONE error all season. He had no chance with either of the goals, yes he was getting fussy about the balls and I'd wonder if his mind was really on the job 2nd half and by those accounts that he left the scene sharpish, then that's not good, but to say he should've got the 2nd, I don't know what you're on
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Unfair on Timms I think he is a very good keeper and played well today. He could not do a thing about any of the goals
Spot on !! Timms is by far the best keeper we have had for years, nothing he could have done about the second. The sending off, debatable as it looked like the other players head was down when he went in. Yes the foot was high but i have seen these given as a 50/50 before. Thought the ref for the second time in just over a month ruined it for us with some very poor decisions. That said, we should be closing out games when three up at half time.
I don't get how people can come on and moan about Timms... he's made ONE error all season. He had no chance with either of the goals, yes he was getting fussy about the balls and I'd wonder if his mind was really on the job 2nd half and by those accounts that he left the scene sharpish, then that's not good, but to say he should've got the 2nd, I don't know what you're on
Had he had to encounter abuse from some "fans" though Josh ?? We know what some muppets can be like in and around our ground or on here, we shouldn't be abusing players. Instead we should focus every bit of emotion into pushing the lads on. Felt the atmosphere fell flat from half time though and that don't help the lads !!
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There hasn't been much of an atmosphere at York street in ages, town Enders where silent today
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I had my radio headphone son so can't really say but atmosphere seemed crap for most of the game... even when we were 3-0 up or when it was getting tense at 3-2 and 3-3. Surely if ever the players needed the crowd to give them a lift in those last 20 minutes, that was it?
Agree- atmosphere at YS has been crap for ages against your average team... its why I tend to stick to away days despite Boston being just 90 minutes and a £10 train fare away from Nottingham
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The atmosphere's been pathetic since the boys upped it and went to manage The Cods.
As I told you Josh, we've lost almost a third of our gate in those two disastrous seasons under Jason Lee, when the boys were here we averaged around 1400, now its around the 1000 mark. How anyone can defend him is beyond me.
And shame on the 100 or so missing from the Barrow game, I expected a bit of a knock on after last week, but just over 900 when we're 5th in the table.........Dave Newton and the board must wonder 'why do we bother?' when they are rewarded like that with abject apathy.
I'm not going to comment on today, others have said what needs to be said and I'm passed getting too wound up about football these days! ;)
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Best we've played all season followed by the worst we've played all season. We need to forget about it and move on.
It's better to have loved and lost rather than to never have loved at all.
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The atmosphere's been pathetic since the boys upped it and went to manage The Cods.
As I told you Josh, we've lost almost a third of our gate in those two disastrous seasons under Jason Lee, when the boys were here we averaged around 1400, now its around the 1000 mark. How anyone can defend him is beyond me.
And shame on the 100 or so missing from the Barrow game, I expected a bit of a knock on after last week, but just over 900 when we're 5th in the table.........Dave Newton and the board must wonder 'why do we bother?' when they are rewarded like that with abject apathy.
Sad to see the decline in gates , Halifax have had a great run under Neil Aspin with 3 promotions and now 4 points of the play-offs in Conference Premier . Is it his fault or is it fans being skint that has caused their gates to fall .?
I'm not going to comment on today, others have said what needs to be said and I'm passed getting too wound up about football these days! ;)
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I also think Timms is our best keeper for a very long time, but as regards Harrogate's second goal - from where I was sat it looked as though he moved (his body -his feet didn't move), thinking that the ball was going to miss the goal. The highlights will show whether or not I am correct. His distribution in the first half though was first class.
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HAD it not been for TIMMS GARNER BORE things would have been a lot worse for sure.
there work rate is outstanding with little credit at the end.
apart from GARNER were was GREENEs fantastic 4 today.
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There hasn't been much of an atmosphere at York street in ages, town Enders where silent today
Unfortunately it's just a few of us trying and occasionally the rest join in. There was me thinking York Street had 4 stands ::)
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HAD it not been for TIMMS GARNER BORE things would have been a lot worse for sure.
there work rate is outstanding with little credit at the end.
apart from GARNER were was GREENEs fantastic 4 today.
Garner was the one with the headband. I think you'll find it was Piergianni who mopped everything up.
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I also think Timms is our best keeper for a very long time, but as regards Harrogate's second goal - from where I was sat it looked as though he moved (his body -his feet didn't move), thinking that the ball was going to miss the goal. The highlights will show whether or not I am correct. His distribution in the first half though was first class.
I think he was caught out by how early the bloke took it- perhaps he was in no position to get the dive out (body weight on the wrong foot maybe)- I can't really blame him as I think had he been in position, it was right into the corner
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I'll keep my post short as I'm still fuming how our players let a 3 goal lead go. 1st half was the best I've seen us play at home. 2nd half the players came out and thought they'd done enough. They showed a total lack of respect towards Harrogate and it was unprofessional. To not even try and totally kill the game off with more goals is unthinkable. A game is never won until the final whistle goes. No one in the second half should escape criticism IMO.
Question for fellow pilgrims - have we managed to put in a full 90 minute shift this season ?
I've personally yet to see us perform consistently throughout a game and that's what's going to ultimately cost us a chance of a play off spot.
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I have not seen a decent side come to boston yet so playoffs are on the cards for sure.
SANSARA should not have come on he was not in the same frame of mind having being used to starting.
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I have not seen a decent side come to boston yet so playoffs are on the cards for sure.
SANSARA should not have come on he was not in the same frame of mind having being used to starting.
I've also not seen us play at home to a top 5 side, but we've played Brackley and Ferriby away and conceded 5 and scored 0.
Next Saturday is massive, Alty are the benchmark for us, they don't spend big but are always competitive and top 5 or 6 material. Forget the monied teams, if we take points off Alty we can say we're in the mix, if we lose we'll be 7 points off them and in all probability mid table for the 1st time this season with some tough games coming up.
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Even llowing for his strange behaviour and at times shows of on pitch petulance and or tantrums, and certainly forgetting last weeks goal which can happen to any keeper, while not really living up to the boast of DG that he is the best keeper in NL football, I dont think anyone can question either his consistenty or shot stopping form. I think probably along with Pidge, Garner, Marshall, Newsh and Miller he is right up there as one of the best signings, cant work why hes getting stick TBF?
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I have not seen a decent side come to boston yet so playoffs are on the cards for sure.
SANSARA should not have come on he was not in the same frame of mind having being used to starting.
I've also not seen us play at home to a top 5 side, but we've played Brackley and Ferriby away and conceded 5 and scored 0.
Next Saturday is massive, Alty are the benchmark for us, they don't spend big but are always competitive and top 5 or 6 material. Forget the monied teams, if we take points off Alty we can say we're in the mix, if we lose we'll be 7 points off them and in all probability mid table for the 1st time this season with some tough games coming up.
Yeah Brackley and Furby aren't playing the same game we are, Alty are so we need points against them to prove we're capable
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I do agree with the comment made earlier about Sansaras reluctance to put his head in where it hurts. I guarantee Pidge, Marshall or Garner would have chased the ball out of the six yard area and literally thrown their heads in in an effort to head the ball away. Sansara checked,preferring to lift his leg five feet up in the air instead and giving away the most blatant of penalties in doing so, leaving an anwful ref no option but to flash a red card, despite the derision from all around me, who in even thinking about qustioning it proved that there are many supporters who obviously have no grasp of the rules.
Were the players poor, collectively in the second half yes,but I suggest no poorer than the tactics we are playing at the moment
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SANSARA should not have come on he was not in the same frame of mind having being used to starting.
I don't get your point here. So what you are trying to say is that anyone that has played in the previous game and find themselves on the bench the following should not be brought on ? really ?? We would soon find ourselves with players leaving if that was the case. Its a team game, those on the bench are as much geared up for the day ahead as starters.
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I say he should have started then came off,then dropped to the bench for the next game after seeing what the other guy can do.
players come off the bench with a job to do I am sorry but he came on with no passion for the game IMO.
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HAD it not been for TIMMS GARNER BORE things would have been a lot worse for sure.
there work rate is outstanding with little credit at the end.
apart from GARNER were was GREENEs fantastic 4 today.
Garner was the one with the headband. I think you'll find it was Piergianni who mopped everything up.
Agree , even though he had a decent game Garner was not at his best . The only masterstroke that Den pulled of as far as I could see was when Bore was moved forward and Marshall reverted to full back,
Shame he did,nt do it earlier when it was obvious Bore could not cope .
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HAD it not been for TIMMS GARNER BORE things would have been a lot worse for sure.
there work rate is outstanding with little credit at the end.
apart from GARNER were was GREENEs fantastic 4 today.
Garner was the one with the headband. I think you'll find it was Piergianni who mopped everything up.
Agree , even though he had a decent game Garner was not at his best . The only masterstroke that Den pulled of as far as I could see was when Bore was moved forward and Marshall reverted to full back,
Shame he did,nt do it earlier when it was obvious Bore could not cope .
I don't think MARSHALL could cope either he were looking more like a cart horse than a young pony as the game went on.
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I say he should have started then came off,then dropped to the bench for the next game after seeing what the other guy can do.
players come off the bench with a job to do I am sorry but he came on with no passion for the game IMO.
New one on me miele , so if next match Den wants to make changes and drop three players he should start with an unchanged team and after a few mins bring off the ones he wants to drop and bring on their replacements off the bench .
Sorry but if a player comes off the bench and shows no passion then its time for him to go ,
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HAD it not been for TIMMS GARNER BORE things would have been a lot worse for sure.
there work rate is outstanding with little credit at the end.
apart from GARNER were was GREENEs fantastic 4 today.
Garner was the one with the headband. I think you'll find it was Piergianni who mopped everything up.
Agree , even though he had a decent game Garner was not at his best . The only masterstroke that Den pulled of as far as I could see was when Bore was moved forward and Marshall reverted to full back,
Shame he did,nt do it earlier when it was obvious Bore could not cope .
I don't think MARSHALL could cope either he were looking more like a cart horse than a young pony as the game went on.
Check how many goals we conceded after Marshall moved to full-back.
Re the cart horse bit he tends to have that look from the kick-off , Although compared to one ex-pilgrim Marshall looks rather elegant , remember Howard Wilkinson miele ?
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just saying as I read it, only the management will sought it. it was just not his stile of play so I thought something not quite right.
in answer to GHM. ;)
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The frustrations of football!!! I just cannot understand how we can change so quickly. The new players were fine first half, nearly non existent second --fitness query? I am not sure what DG does say to the players because he always seems to be out early before games, and at the start of the second half, also in the social club before games. Surely management need to keep the players sharp in situations like this--it looked as if players though 3-0 up at half time-game over.
I do not understand the criticism of Timms-- he's a goalkeeper after all, so he's bound to be crackers at times. Still think he is the best we have had for some time.
Now makes Saturday's game vital. Always a struggle against a physical and talented attacking side.
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Beat Alty and everything changes! Lets get behind the boys. Yes, yesterday was frustrating but we need to move on.
We are in the best position we have been in, in along time.
1 game doesn't define a season!
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Three nil up at half time isn't all it's cracked up to be.
What do you do second half ? If you continue to press forward you risk leaving gaps at the back, which the opposition may exploit with their renewed second-half vigour. Then the manager can get criticised for not being defence-minded. If you sit back and defend then you invite the opposition onto you. The mind-set of the players from the first half was to push forward and it is difficult to change this during the game. Harrogate's only choice was to go all out attack - and it worked. They were a wounded animal going into the break and wouldn't have needed a lot of motivation.
We can blame individual players but yesterday I think the manager has to take a lot of responsibility for the way he prepared his players both tactically and mentally for the second half.
DL
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Three nil up at half time isn't all it's cracked up to be.
What do you do second half ? If you continue to press forward you risk leaving gaps at the back, which the opposition may exploit with their renewed second-half vigour. Then the manager can get criticised for not being defence-minded. If you sit back and defend then you invite the opposition onto you. The mind-set of the players from the first half was to push forward and it is difficult to change this during the game. Harrogate's only choice was to go all out attack - and it worked. They were a wounded animal going into the break and wouldn't have needed a lot of motivation.
We can blame individual players but yesterday I think the manager has to take a lot of responsibility for the way he prepared his players both tactically and mentally for the second half.
DL
[/quote man management he lacks and lack of experience after the outburst on TIMMS last week then the mess GREENE made of things on sat. don't be surprised if theres not a back lash from TIMMS on GREENE this week.
again I must say had it not been for TIMMS things would have been a ole lot worse.
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After reading through all the post match posts on the patter, I was expecting a post or two about out goalkeepers tantrums of kicking the ball into touch on his own accord from which a yellow card was given by the referee, rightly so, when you are 3-0 up and coasting, that action is taken as time wasting, but was it only me and the spectator stood next to me who saw Mr Timms deliberately kick out with his left foot at a Harrogate player who had done nothing malicious towards him at all, this action was done a few minutes after the ref had booked Timms, we saw it, Timms wants to be thankful the ref did not see it, or else he would have been red carded, how much contact there was seemed minimal, and the Harrogate player did not make a meal of it.
I actually thought the most likely player who would get a red card was Harrogates no 5, Ricky Miller was all over him their no 5 was struggling to contain him in the 1st half, and what does our manager do, he substitutes RM, this is the player who was instrumental in setting up all three goals, from that point in the match Harrogate got superiority for the first time, If anyone is to blame for the second half disaster , it is our manager, bad substitutes by Bostons management made Simon Weavers subs look like Arsene Wengers.
I also think MOM should have gone to Ricky Miller, his work rate was phenomenal.
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As ceamboy says Timms was very lucky not to be sent off , hopefully the manager will have a word with the player ,
Millers impressive work causes chaos for defenders . Reading to local paper DG has told him to release the ball to a team mate in a better scoring position . Second half Saturday with us 3-1 he failed to pass to SWD in a better scoring position and missed a chance to kill the game off at 4-1 (see match video ).
Seems harsh to criticise Ricky be he would be an even bigger asset if he takes Greens advice .
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I don't think he'd be such a nuisance if he was less selfish. His strengths are his confidence in his left foot and pace.
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As ceamboy says Timms was very lucky not to be sent off , hopefully the manager will have a word with the player ,
Millers impressive work causes chaos for defenders . Reading to local paper DG has told him to release the ball to a team mate in a better scoring position . Second half Saturday with us 3-1 he failed to pass to SWD in a better scoring position and missed a chance to kill the game off at 4-1 (see match video ).
Seems harsh to criticise Ricky be he would be an even bigger asset if he takes Greens advice .
I do think he can be a bit greedy at times and his decision making can let him down, but I'd rather someone have a go that see someone not shot or pass when it's crying out for them to smash it.
But you can argue had Miller been better at decision-making, he may well not be playing at this level... it's what you get down here
That Brackley player was greedy but at least in having a go, he got lucky with Timms' error the other week.
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Don't understand why you think Timms did any thing wrong other than lift his leg to stop their forward knocking him flying as it was the forward who turned his back and his momentum carried him into Timms.
To many fairies on the pitch now so all credit to both as they could of both rolled about in agony.
Timms is one of the best keepers i have seen at York St, Bazza and Scarface were the others and they too could throw a tantrum and be unpredictable at times.
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Don't understand why you think Timms did any thing wrong other than lift his leg to stop their forward knocking him flying as it was the forward who turned his back and his momentum carried him into Timms.
To many fairies on the pitch now so all credit to both as they could of both rolled about in agony.
Timms is one of the best keepers i have seen at York St, Bazza and Scarface were the others and they too could throw a tantrum and be unpredictable at times.
You are referring to a totally different incident to what I was referring to garry@, in the incident I was referring to the Harrogate player was walking away from Timms with his back towards him when Timms walked alongside of the said player and flicked his left boot at the harrogate player, as I said before it was minimal contact but if either the ref or assistant had seen it, we should have been without a first team goalkeeper for an important match next sat.
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Or maybe the linesman did see it. If it was in the second half I don't think it would have mattered his flag didn't seem to work
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Three nil up at half time isn't all it's cracked up to be.
We can blame individual players but yesterday I think the manager has to take a lot of responsibility for the way he prepared his players both tactically and mentally for the second half.
DL
[/quote man management he lacks and lack of experience after the outburst on TIMMS last week then the mess GREENE made of things on sat. don't be surprised if theres not a back lash from TIMMS on GREENE this week.
again I must say had it not been for TIMMS things would have been a ole lot worse.
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I like others think the keeper is one of the best we've had down here for a few years. The thing is, if any of you have had to manage staff you will understand that everyone has to sing from the same song sheet. If they don't, not only does it pee you off, it does the same to the rest of the singers. Before long you get factions in the place of work, you get people moaning about others and in the end you get a divided work force.
Sometimes you can sort it out by having a word with them, sometimes you have to be a little more firm.
Now I have no idea if this had happened in the club but things must have gone a bit pear shape.
Check the grassy knoll and the Spitfire real ale in the club house :bunny
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Three nil up at half time isn't all it's cracked up to be.
We can blame individual players but yesterday I think the manager has to take a lot of responsibility for the way he prepared his players both tactically and mentally for the second half.
DL
[/quote man management he lacks and lack of experience after the outburst on TIMMS last week then the mess GREENE made of things on sat. don't be surprised if theres not a back lash from TIMMS on GREENE this week.
again I must say had it not been for TIMMS things would have been a ole lot worse.
"man management he lacks and lack of experience " clarify who you are talking about miele ,
Rob Scott ?
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Goalkeepers have to be a little mad, but they also need to be able to take advice and instruction when needed. If an outfield player is not following instruction, or is temporarily off his game he is quickly replaced by a sub. The same does not apply to a keeper as it would be seen to be too disruptive during the game. So, in addition to his eccentricity (or madness) he really does need to have a certain discipline within his makeup.