Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Boston Standard on July 23, 2013, 03:54:03 PM
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I predict this will be a long thread with some absent posters making a negative return :dan.
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This was put on here at 3.54pm on 23rd. Its now 8.30am on 24th and no comments posted. Does that mean that an attitude of 'believe it when we see it' is developing.
Have the fans been consulted about what they feel could be an asset to a new ground, for example food outlet and vendors of liquid refreshment. Would an integrated club bar/lounge be big enough. Adequate car parking facilities if fans need to travel to out of town location with car spaces wide enough to adequately open car doors without getting scratches and dents from inconsiderate *astards who throw their doors open with brainless abandonment. And on a selfish note how about a nearby fishing lake similar to a Westwood Lakes set up so that I can make a day of it. Lots to think about but the car parking issue would be important if the ground is out of town. A regular Sunday car boot sale would provide income for a player or two, wages I'm talking about not a business opportunity for poorly paid players to set up a stall. How about a Chestnut Homes show house area. Perhaps a kiddies play building like they have at Baytree so that wives etc can take their kids there for a couple of hours while the fellers go to the match, after all, football grounds are not for kids, they just run around generally bored stuffing their faces with sweets and annoying grumpy old farts who just want a couple of hours away from their partners.
By the way I am actually looking forward to the new season, I think we could be pleasantly surprised. We seem to have some good players but I do think we don't create enough chances to score and I don't think the lads from the reserves are anywhere near enough ready for regular 1st team football. They are in the box labelled 'In case of emergency look in here'.
Have a nice summer everyone, or have we just had it. :bunny
Well done Tash. just pushed the post button and up came your message. Are you psychic. Have you any views on the ground situation. I think it will happen but not sure it will suit all of us.
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Lot to take in there SB . Your concerns about parking will be addressed by planners . How about a sauna and a hot tub for the likes on KON ? Forget the fishing , put in a cycle track and go on your bike SB , this will leave parking space for us old farts who need it .
Think the project will create scope for impossible dreams for the moaners .
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Car parking is a major factor, as to is access. I think the location will be the big issue to start with (hopefully not in a residential type area). As for the ground I would prefer one terrace to remain standing sooner than all seater, but I think to get all the grants you have to be all seater. Probably Mr Newton is looking at getting a hotel chain involved a Premier Inn type of operation but who knows we will have to wait for the public consultation.
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Car parking is a major factor, as to is access. I think the location will be the big issue to start with (hopefully not in a residential type area). As for the ground I would prefer one terrace to remain standing sooner than all seater, but I think to get all the grants you have to be all seater. Probably Mr Newton is looking at getting a hotel chain involved a Premier Inn type of operation but who knows we will have to wait for the public consultation.
Think you are right there to get some of the grants they need all seating, so be good to find other sources of funds but if we have to have all seating then guess we just get use to sitting down
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You are right Bostonshire, it will be tough but we will just have to rough the sitting down bit. We could always jump to our feet when we score goals. Funny coincidence is I did get my bike out on Saturday but I am now saving up for the stabilisers, my balance isn't what it used to be. Ooops there I go again, just fell off the settee.
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According to Dave Newton on BBC Lincs tonight a 4000 capacity ground is predicted with about 1500 seats .
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Glad it's not going to be all-seater like some new grounds.
Surprised he doesn't want to go for min requrements for league 2 without having to make changes if we ever get there.
We can get promoted to league 2 with 4000 capacity and 500 seats but we need to upgrade to 5000 capacity with 2000 seats.
I think that's why we added the small block of seats to York Street end to meet requirements.
If we did get promoted to conf prem we would fill 4000 against Lincoln.
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Glad it's not going to be all-seater like some new grounds.
Surprised he doesn't want to go for min requrements for league 2 without having to make changes if we ever get there.
We can get promoted to league 2 with 4000 capacity and 500 seats but we need to upgrade to 5000 capacity with 2000 seats.
I think that's why we added the small block of seats to York Street end to meet requirements.
If we did get promoted to conf prem we would fill 4000 against Lincoln.
Will be designed to accomodate upgrade to 5000 .
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Listened to the interview, very good and worth tracking down if you didn,t hear it. Application to be submitted early next year. Apparently if the grants etc come in then the ground would be debt free leaving extra cash for players, a lot of clubs will be very envious if it comes of. Will be out of town as expected, I hope that doesn't affect the attendances.
So what would suit you. I think somewhere near fishing lakes, a nearby pub, within cycling distance(preferably downhill) of Kirton. Shame if it ends up Skeggy side, getting further out into no mans land.
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Listened to the interview, very good and worth tracking down if you didn,t hear it. Application to be submitted early next year. Apparently if the grants etc come in then the ground would be debt free leaving extra cash for players, a lot of clubs will be very envious if it comes of. Will be out of town as expected, I hope that doesn't affect the attendances.
So what would suit you. I think somewhere near fishing lakes, a nearby pub, within cycling distance(preferably downhill) of Kirton. Shame if it ends up Skeggy side, getting further out into no mans land.
Only guessing SB but I think the new location will fit all your requirments, apart from the downhill .
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Shame if it ends up Skeggy side, getting further out into no mans land.
Bit harsh :)
What about near a pub and a garden centre??
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Some really good posts on this one folks. Good one SB. I think the best area for the new ground would be around the athletics stadium off Sleaford road. The opposing teams and fans wouldn't have to do battle with John Adams Way and the town. Also would cut out any troublemakers from disturbances in the town.Also most people using hotels ( ie: salesmen and travellers ) if a hotel is incorporated, come from that side of town, making it easy to get in and out of this area. :bunny The downside of a ground on the Skegness side of town is the traffic problems getting to and from the ground again because of John Adams Way. :bunny
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Agreed..ground on Skegness side would be a logistics disaster ..
And 4500 with expansion to 45000 seems about right !
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Agreed..ground on Skegness side would be a logistics disaster ..
And 4500 with expansion to 45000 seems about right !
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Do you think 45000 would be big enough ft? ;)
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Some really good posts on this one folks. Good one SB. I think the best area for the new ground would be around the athletics stadium off Sleaford road. The opposing teams and fans wouldn't have to do battle with John Adams Way and the town. Also would cut out any troublemakers from disturbances in the town.Also most people using hotels ( ie: salesmen and travellers ) if a hotel is incorporated, come from that side of town, making it easy to get in and out of this area. :bunny The downside of a ground on the Skegness side of town is the traffic problems getting to and from the ground again because of John Adams Way. :bunny
Might be a location chosen that suits SB better than those two options . :-X
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Well we may not make an Ipswich or Hull set-up ..but one like Colchester s ? may be worth aspiring to ..
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Interview link - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01dbtzy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01dbtzy)
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car parking is one major issue. but what about those that do not drive and live out of town. i myself travel in from spalding by bus and this new stadium should have either a current bus route which runs every half an hour , or if not we need to get matchday buses running from the bus station to wherever this may be built.
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Well we may not make an Ipswich or Hull set-up ..but one like Colchester s ? may be worth aspiring to ..
There's very few new build save for Chester that have attracted the same level of negativity as Colchester's new stadium........its an appalling stadium that lacks atmosphere and is in the middle of nowhere.
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I was thinking of the scale of support possible Andy ..what model would you suggest?
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The point about access is very valid ...
I remember entering Rushden & Diamonds stadium for the very first time, and immediately admiring the place and thinking it would be nice to be able to watch Boston in that kind of setting every week. My opinion changed somewhat when I found myself still queueing to get out of the car park a full hour after the game had finished, and I decided it would be a nightmare to be playing there week in week out.
Speaking as someone who supports the club despite no longer living in Boston - and you only have to look at the names of some of the people posting on this forum to realise I am not alone - the ability to get into and out of any new stadium quickly and easily will be a key factor. If the club gets it wrong then there's a danger that some matches - midweek ones in particular - might be out of reach for those fans travelling from further afield.
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I was thinking of the scale of support possible Andy ..what model would you suggest?
A pipe dream ft thinking we may need a 45000 capacity stadium .
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Over the years having listened to the
"I'm not going till the Malkinsons have gone"
"I'm not going if Evans is still there"
"I'm not going till Evans comes back"
"I'm not going while were in this division"
"I'm not going because the entry is too much"
"I'm not going till they show some ambition"
"i'm not going as theres no where to park" (yes really!)
I can see the position of the new stadium giving loads yet another excuse NOT to go.:)
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OK..I will settle for 44.500 . . 8)
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For those inclined to moan about change of any sort I suggest the book "Who Moved My Cheese" by Dr Spencer Johnson. Personally, moving to a new stadium will be less convenient for me but I'm already looking at the positives.
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"i'm not going as theres no where to park" (yes really!)
I can see the position of the new stadium giving loads yet another excuse NOT to go.:)
Not an excuse at all, but a valid concern. If you've got to travel 1-hour plus to get to and from a game then the ability to get away quickly afterwards is vital - particularly if you've got to be at work fairly early the next morning. You can't afford to be doubling your journey time by having to sit around in the car park before starting your journey home. A lot of the new grounds I've visited down the years only seen to have one route in and one route out of the car park. Rushden & Diamonds was one example, but Wycombe Wanderers is another. And Chester is yet another. You simply can't get away from the places afterwards. As well as the convenience factor you've also got to think about the safety angle. What would happen, for example, if you needed to get an ambulance into the stadium at precisely the time of a capacity crowd leaving it in the opposite direction? If there's only one route in and out then you've got a major problem on your hands.
Solution is undoubtedly to have a series of slip roads into the car park from different surrounding roads. But not sure any of the sites we're looking at will make that viable, or that we'll have the budget available to deliver that kind of layout.
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"i'm not going as theres no where to park" (yes really!)
I can see the position of the new stadium giving loads yet another excuse NOT to go.:)
Not an excuse at all, but a valid concern. If you've got to travel 1-hour plus to get to and from a game then the ability to get away quickly afterwards is vital - particularly if you've got to be at work fairly early the next morning. You can't afford to be doubling your journey time by having to sit around in the car park before starting your journey home. A lot of the new grounds I've visited down the years only seen to have one route in and one route out of the car park. Rushden & Diamonds was one example, but Wycombe Wanderers is another. And Chester is yet another. You simply can't get away from the places afterwards. As well as the convenience factor you've also got to think about the safety angle. What would happen, for example, if you needed to get an ambulance into the stadium at precisely the time of a capacity crowd leaving it in the opposite direction? If there's only one route in and out then you've got a major problem on your hands.
Solution is undoubtedly to have a series of slip roads into the car park from different surrounding roads. But not sure any of the sites we're looking at will make that viable, or that we'll have the budget available to deliver that kind of layout.
apoligies LP
the parking statement was in no way directed towards you!
it, along with the other statements were a broad generalisation of excuses for not going to games I've heard over the years.
in fact it was a guy from Skeg who was moaning about the parking!
Maybe if we do end up Skeg side he will be able to come! Drop his wife off at the garden centre while he is at the game.!
i have to agree about John Adams way being a nuisance (at best) BUT it will be for one group of people which ever side of town the stadium ends up on, unless all the supporters live on one side of the town.
Its going to be a difficult decision.................................
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The whole thing relies on the local borough planning department giving the go ahead.
Maybe they should be invited to one of the home games so they can see what BUFC is all about...all above-board and strictly in accordance with planning regulations of course :dan
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Scunthorpe is a perfect example of getting it wrong. The car park is massive and at the back of the stadium, with a single point of access. It is now also surrounded by "out of town" shops, so the result is 60% of the supporters park on all roads in and walk up to a mile to the ground.
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Swann is looking at building them a new one!