Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: qwerty on April 09, 2013, 09:15:53 PM
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Was to stand against Mark Simmonds MP for our seat at the next election
would he get your vote?
I think UKIP could win this seat with the right candidate.
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I would vote for anybody against Simmonds even Drury or the former fitness coach!
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Although I have been a life time Tory voter UKIP will get my vote whoever the candidate is .
Simmonds may well find the voters have had enough of a gutless Cameron poodle .
I am sure many like myself have stories of his David Brent-like bungling .
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Here we have memories of Maggie who was a student of the Greatest Austrian Economist Fredrick Hayek and Nigel Farage who is our only hope with his Austrian Economic policy's.
His party will do very very well at the next UK election.
Nothing changes really.
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I would vote for anybody against Simmonds even Drury or the former fitness coach!
What about micky stones
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I'll vote for anyone if it gets rid of a Tory!! ;D
check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry :bunny
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I've always voted Tory but I just don't see what Simmonds does other than toe the party line for a very tidy remuneration. He seems to me like a classic modern career politician, parachuted into a safe seat and paying nothing more than lip service to the electorate.
He doesn't even live in the area he represents.
I don't see that voting for UKIP will do any good, all it'll do is allow Labour and the Lib Dems to narrow the gap on the Tories.
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I travel the UK weekly. From Cambridgeshire to Edinburgh/Glasgow....Manchester/Liverpool...Wrexham to Bridgend....Yeovil to Brighton....and all in between....regular. I notice things. In 30 years of doing the same....I have never seen so many UKIP banners/posters featured in peoples property around the nation...as I have done recently! UKIPs 'support' is everywhere....including village hamlets in those nooks and crannys we often overlook! Yet...there isn't a 'national' vote at present! That feeling being expressed will carry to the next major elections I reckon. Based on 30 years of 'watching' such things....I have to consider they are a viable contender for 3rd...and possibly 2nd in the running! Like it or not...Maggie had ball*. As Norman Tebbitt said on 5 Live....the Country needs that confidence in leadership today. We haven't had it since she was unceremoniously removed! Majors balls were in Edwina....fact. Blair...Brown and Camerons ba**s have been in Murdochs pockets ever since.....yuppies....and irrelevances to this Country's needs. Lord Leverson exposed their 'dealings' and we managed to get a pie in Murdochs face to make sure he knew....he ain't getting back in.....PERIOD!
There is no 'leadership' with any credibility or mass support in this Country. That's why we have a hung parliament as such. Decisive action and perhaps extreme...such as Maggie stomached and faced...is what we...as a Nation need again. The Eastern block Countrys are coming. Dictats being made by Europe who like our Parliament...are bankrupt and defunct....will not pick up our collateral of their decisions. We need to be prepared for an invasion of those not interested in this Country or our welfare. Clegg...Cameron and Labour have all done deals with outsiders and played their tune....sold us out...to an Aussie...or Europe. It has to stop...and we have to be a 'land army' again! I don't do Politics....never have. But...the people have to have 'faith' in something. UKIP...fit that bill...my survey sez...NATIONWIDE!x
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Edit: Dis-claimer...I have only ever voted once....aged 18! I voted National Front! I was young....and it wos the 70's......BUT....it was a rough approach to what 30 years later has manifested itself into a credible....inclusive and appealing proposition. I stil won't vote. Politics don't work from my perspective! Blackmail and compromising them does...I have found. I have always remained independent of such administrative things things such as voting since that innocent 'protest'. It has served me well....and ensured many 'politicians'....watch THEIR fronts!x
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Well said Sooty!I for one is sick to the back teeth with W@nkers in Europe telling us how we have to live. F###k them I say, kick them in to touch.
check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry :bunny
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I'm standing as a candidate in up coming county elections for labour and standing against the tories and would love to get the fishtoft seat and send a messege to the tories
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Just an observation. Nigel Farage, Bulgarian father, German Wife.
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But are they running us from Europe? No not at all, in fact does anyone know who is running this country. Faceless MEP's and bas##rd bankers, the same ones that f###ed things up in the first place.
check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry :bunny
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Actually, Mark Simmonds does live locally, only a few miles out of town.
However, I too, have always voted Tory but will go with UKIP next time.
I am sick and fed up with our taxes being squandered on the EU and parasitic politicians, and have a great distaste for some of the governments recent policies. Need I say more?
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Gus when was the last time he slept in his Swineshead mansion?
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Probably the last time there was a photo opportunity he don't miss many of them lol
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I've always voted Tory but I just don't see what Simmonds does other than toe the party line for a very tidy remuneration. He seems to me like a classic modern career politician, parachuted into a safe seat and paying nothing more than lip service to the electorate.
He doesn't even live in the area he represents.
I don't see that voting for UKIP will do any good, all it'll do is allow Labour and the Lib Dems to narrow the gap on the Tories.
Exactly right with your first paragraph Andy .
He has now moved into Swineshead Abbey on the A52 , former home of the late Michael Emmitt .
I seem to recall the asking price was £1.2 million.
I disagree with you on the last sentance , on a daily basis I meet Tories switching to UKIP .
Many of the Lib votes at last election were protest votes which will switch to UKIP.
Labour voters like us would love to see the back of Simmonds and will think a UKIP vote is the best chance of removing him .
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in fact does anyone know who is running this country.
check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry :bunny
Well Jamie Dimon (JP MORGAN) is pulling the strings that operate Ben Bernankes (FED) movements and he controls the worlds monetary supply, so your answer is there somewhere.
Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws
Mayer Amschel Rothchilds famous quote.
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Swineshead Abbey was bought for £900k in 2010.
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"Just an observation. Nigel Farage, Bulgarian father, German Wife."
A 'True Brit"? Nobodys answered your probe there Shoddy.....and as i'm having a cuppa before bed....i'll say this....
A 'true Brit'.....in my way of thinking....is someone who cares about their familys future...their school....hospital....and future career....their neighbour....actually asks their name! Cares about the rubbish in the street....and makes sure there's a street party at every occasion! That they cared about their surroundings and each other. That person just needs to be a human too. We have to look in the past to see where to go forward. 'Togetherness' was what folk achieved national success with during the war. The Olympic experience set an example to us all again. We can be that in every street. I see it in ethnic groups who come here. They are 'together'. I've done weddings for Albanians/Romanians/Lithuanians and ever ians there is. I've danced with them....and cried with forced married brides....not all Asian either. So....it is possible. We were like that once. Stood united for a common cause. That cause is to make Britain Great again. That's what I go out there to do each day. This post trys to do that too I suppose! There are many like me. It's got to be at grass roots. Join clubs...get involved....make a difference. Why do you thnik I wander around football clubs? They are the largest 'vehicle' that can 'unite' a Community proper. Now...do you think i;d let Dennis....or any wrong un come your end....knowingly? I have too many 'true brit' friends....around your way. It's my home too. That....is what you need to feel...'at home'....wherever you go! The Britain...is us....the people. It is time to stand....and want to be great again...I reckon!x
How's your season tickets doing? You all sold one yet to a mate? YOU...are the custodians of Bostons largest 'vehicle' available to 'the people'. Make it inclusive. Who comes through that door.....is family! End of!x It's gotta start somewhere!x
Mp's aren't gonna do it for yer....!x
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......there....all put to rights over a coffee.......!x
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I travel the UK weekly. From Cambridgeshire to Edinburgh/Glasgow....Manchester/Liverpool...Wrexham to Bridgend....Yeovil to Brighton....and all in between....regular. I notice things. In 30 years of doing the same....I have never seen so many UKIP banners/posters featured in peoples property around the nation...as I have done recently! UKIPs 'support' is everywhere....including village hamlets in those nooks and crannys we often overlook! Yet...there isn't a 'national' vote at present! That feeling being expressed will carry to the next major elections I reckon. Based on 30 years of 'watching' such things....I have to consider they are a viable contender for 3rd...and possibly 2nd in the running! Like it or not...Maggie had ball*. As Norman Tebbitt said on 5 Live....the Country needs that confidence in leadership today. We haven't had it since she was unceremoniously removed! Majors balls were in Edwina....fact. Blair...Brown and Camerons ba**s have been in Murdochs pockets ever since.....yuppies....and irrelevances to this Country's needs. Lord Leverson exposed their 'dealings' and we managed to get a pie in Murdochs face to make sure he knew....he ain't getting back in.....PERIOD!
There is no 'leadership' with any credibility or mass support in this Country. That's why we have a hung parliament as such. Decisive action and perhaps extreme...such as Maggie stomached and faced...is what we...as a Nation need again. The Eastern block Countrys are coming. Dictats being made by Europe who like our Parliament...are bankrupt and defunct....will not pick up our collateral of their decisions. We need to be prepared for an invasion of those not interested in this Country or our welfare. Clegg...Cameron and Labour have all done deals with outsiders and played their tune....sold us out...to an Aussie...or Europe. It has to stop...and we have to be a 'land army' again! I don't do Politics....never have. But...the people have to have 'faith' in something. UKIP...fit that bill...my survey sez...NATIONWIDE!x
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Edit: Dis-claimer...I have only ever voted once....aged 18! I voted National Front! I was young....and it wos the 70's......BUT....it was a rough approach to what 30 years later has manifested itself into a credible....inclusive and appealing proposition. I stil won't vote. Politics don't work from my perspective! Blackmail and compromising them does...I have found. I have always remained independent of such administrative things things such as voting since that innocent 'protest'. It has served me well....and ensured many 'politicians'....watch THEIR fronts!x
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...erm...yep.....NF!! Went with all me old hooli mates to vote...all white....nobody thought it a problem?!hehe!X Innocence eh?!x
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...10 seats won in Lincolnshire for UKIP........ahead of my time....and you Lincolnshire folk are 'on it'....nice 1!x My siss was born in Grimsby...me Hull...but I consider both Counties 'home'...and am happy with it!x
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I would never describe myself as xenophobic nor though I take great pride in being 'English' would I describe myself as a nationalist, but I have to say, just walking around the town centre these days is like a trip through a united nations convention, and it surely has to stop before we end up flooding a country that is already threatened with being called off for being waterlogged
If UKIP's rhetoric, certainly that used by Farage was turned down a bit, and they concentrated more on the facts as opposed to relying on large spoonful's of scaremongering they could do even better than they did last night.
A vote of disenchantment which one assumes lay behind a lot of their gains last night may really turn into a genuine alternative vote and if nothing else it 'should' really refocus the attitudes of the main stream parties into what the public at large really feel is important
The rule of law, education, health, concerns over pour European pay masters for allowing, and worse extending by legislation of which we have no input which will imminently increase the freedom of movement into our already overcrowded little island .................................................and of course who we sign over the next couple of months...anything else I can put up with!
Hopefully, just like our fortunes in the months ahead, last nights results may signal the start of something new, fresh and exciting and lets hope that's the case
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Well spoken Grimesy...X I believe your thoughts reflect this sea change in 'local' feelings. That 'local' being mirrored Nationally. When approaching Spalding from Boston....there is the 2 chimney landmark on the right. That is a company now named 'Bakkovar'. My courier Company has delivered pallets of packaging to them for over 10 years. After noticing several years ago a new approach to their work force...and aspirations...I took a more serious interest. I then donned my 'brown white van man' persona and started making deliveries myself...and secretly recording 'chat' I had with the 'locals'. In that time I have witnessed the whole work force change from being mainly Brits or local based folk....to a majority Eastern block one. They live in rented houses provided for them by 'gangers' and indeed these 'gangers' actually run the warehouses now and all that 'goes on'.
I then expanded my interest in this phenomenon by taking pallets to Scotland both Edinburgh and Glasgow...North Wales...Wrexham. way...South Wales...Ebbw Vale...Llantrissant...Gloucester...Worcester...Sevenoaks in Kent...Gt Yarmouth...and many places in London...Lancashire the Midlands and Cheshire. Ooops...and 2 firms in Boston are on that 'investigation' list too that I took upon myself!
It amounted to a serious covert documentary's worth. I approached several TV people to share this developing change and 'ownership' in our food industry....but....not 1 of the 'independents' wanted to go near it. Some serious stuff...drugs/tobacco....slave treatment of the work forces by their 'gangers'....all proved and documented.....but not 1 dare do or say owt. The police...Magistrates and the like are dealing with that reality DAILY...and failing badly I assure you. I have been to local Magistrates...looked at lists....all names ending in zys...or...ski... interpreters in tow....waffle waffle.....huge expense incurred BY US the taxpayers...and they then do a runner whilst on bail etc back to their homeland...or...dis-appear in one of the gangers 'safe' houses that even the police daren't go near. These 'facts' were confirmed to me as recent as 2 weeks ago when stumbling across the Magistrates Chaplain who frequents several Courts in Cambridgeshire. She said exactly what I know. She doesn't have an answer either. Indeed...police friends have actually said they would rather raid a Travellers site than Eastern Block haven.....welcome to the real Country...!x
All of this was underpinned by another experience whilst owning a hotel on Yarmouth front! I had the only intenet cafe on the front at the time...2005/6. It attracted all the workers from the Matthews 'work houses'. Lithuanians...Poles...Estonians...all Eastern Block folk. I listened to their cry's...saw the tears...of decent folk...mothers...dads...talking to their kids via Skype every night. I also knew of their living conditions around the locality. I was a friend to them...and they told me all. Over 20 were happy to put their experience on film when asked. Unfortunately...my interests in them and their plight was cut short. The local Council objected to my large Union Jacks flying outside of my hotel. They said they wanted the front to be 'neutral'. The day the letter came...I walked out onto the front...looked left....Greek flag flying...an Italian....and a Syrian one flew proudly. I looked right....and Italian...Korean...and a Cypriot flag flew nearby outside of buildings. I went to the local paper....and said i'm selling it to the Poles for their slave workers....as Yarmouth ain't British anymore. I did...the 10 bedroom hotel is now a run down 'slum' housing 4 to each room.....as living quarters. It is right opposite the row of Coach and Horses that line up outside the pier. Walk along the front....not a word of English is spoken in the early morning or late at night. I was proud to be the last English owned/run Hotel in Yarmouth. My Grandad from Grimsby got de-mobbed there and went ritually each year to re-live it. He never went for the last 10 years of his life....he said it weren't the same. He died 2 years ago....RIP.
Many Communitys nationwide are dealing with that impact. Be it the Seaside...from Blackpool to Bournemouth....or inland in what were considered English hamlets. Whole villages are being bought out...and taken over or the locals being made to feel 'strangers' in their medieval homesteads. I've seen it...documented it...and know it is too late to take back those industries/Communitys. This all happened whilst we...as a peoples...were living the dream...through false credit and bankers bo**ox. The real work...grafting...is being done in fields and factories by this migrant work force under severe conditions....that nobody wants to go near. They have the money at Car Boot sales buying all the home furnishings .....end of.
I think UKIP is a vehicle for all the locals to show solidarity in something. The Nation needs to 'unite'. It's infrastructure is now 'foreign' run. It's energy is foreign supplied....it's banks have robbed its people and the media have managed Parliament to suit a few folks agenda. There is no 'leadership' to take us out of the mess. Maggies dead....there ain't no new person who has that Churchillian boldness. Rhetoric won't deal with it...neither will non-action. I think folk are 'voicing their opinion through the likes of UKIP.....which is possibly the only way they can at present. I don't do Politics....it don't work. I am seriously believing though that the UKIP Party is a serious runner for 2nd place in the next General Election!!x
Thanx for presenting some proper stuff Grimesy to get me brain going this morning.....and a pleasure hearing what you had to say!!x
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....ooops...and it looks like i'll be popping in next season as Histon dunit....it keeps us all normal init!!! YAAAAYYY!!x
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Shinnster. how do expect to win if you don't deliver leaflets. I live i the Fishtoft ward, we had one from Ossy Snell and one from Singleton. If you don't set your stall out, you won't sell your goods.
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Shinnster. how do expect to win if you don't deliver leaflets. I live i the Fishtoft ward, we had one from Ossy Snell and one from Singleton. If you don't set your stall out, you won't sell your goods.
Agree with that i didnt get a ukip one just a labour and independant one
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...'ere...'they' is taking note!!!! Nigel has done a press conference...and it is being reported in all the 5 Live bulletins...and he is headlining it..a 'Sea Change'....!!! I wrote it first in here this morning......ahead of me time....!hehe!x
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It does annoy me when opponents of UKIP just say anyone who votes for them is racist or xenophobic. Raising legitimate claims about immigration is not racist. When we've got so many youngsters unemployed the last thing we need is an influx of immigrants.
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Presumably, like other MPs he's in London Mon-Thu, and will be in his constituency Fri-Sun.
Fri is usually the day for photocalls etc and surgery time for constituents.
Go along and see what he says.
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Shinnster. how do expect to win if you don't deliver leaflets. I live i the Fishtoft ward, we had one from Ossy Snell and one from Singleton. If you don't set your stall out, you won't sell your goods.
wiped my arse with the singleton mcguire comic!
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I would never describe myself as xenophobic nor though I take great pride in being 'English' would I describe myself as a nationalist, but I have to say, just walking around the town centre these days is like a trip through a united nations convention, and it surely has to stop before we end up flooding a country that is already threatened with being called off for being waterlogged
If UKIP's rhetoric, certainly that used by Farage was turned down a bit, and they concentrated more on the facts as opposed to relying on large spoonful's of scaremongering they could do even better than they did last night.
A vote of disenchantment which one assumes lay behind a lot of their gains last night may really turn into a genuine alternative vote and if nothing else it 'should' really refocus the attitudes of the main stream parties into what the public at large really feel is important
The rule of law, education, health, concerns over pour European pay masters for allowing, and worse extending by legislation of which we have no input which will imminently increase the freedom of movement into our already overcrowded little island .................................................and of course who we sign over the next couple of months...anything else I can put up with!
Hopefully, just like our fortunes in the months ahead, last nights results may signal the start of something new, fresh and exciting and lets hope that's the case
Your posts always cheer me up BG .
On the strength of the last paragraph I have rushed to Wilko.s and bought a new frying pan in readiness :)
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Bet they won't sleep after that KON.
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Not often I agree with Ken Clarke but UKIP are in large part a bunch of clowns. But when faced with the reality of today's political parties, red noses can seem rather appealing.
UKIP keep things simple: no immigration and out of Europe - both great sound bites for the Daily Mail, but things are a little more complicated than that.
But are UKIP the real deal, I doubt it, be very careful what you wish for .........
Of course much that people now decry was started by UKIP's standard bearer and heroine - Mrs Thatcher - irony is a wonderful thing.
Who started selling all the country's silverware to foreigners? Yep Thatcher ..... she privatised anything she could sell, opened up the banking system and before you could blink, one British owned company went after another - free market economics she called it. Foreigners buying up Britain it was and is.
Immigration facts show Thatcher in a different light than many would have us believe:
Under labour in the 1970s, Britain had net emigration, whilst Edward Heath opened up immigration from many European countries in 1973. Thatcher herself opened the borders to Greek, Spanish and Portuguese workers in 1981 and 1986 and her successor John Major continued this trend and the ultimate Tory aka Tony Blair carried on opening further doors.
We could continue with Human Rights and the EU influence on 'our rights'. More right wing mythology.....
But you get the point.
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Obviously Ukip will never be in power, but it's more about sending a message to the others regarding our thoughts on the EU and immigration.
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Obviously Ukip will never be in power, but it's more about sending a message to the others regarding our thoughts on the EU and immigration.
Correct BG . Will our Tory representive pull his head out of the sand , or is it to late to connect with constituents and their needs he has ignored for so long ?
Could it be that his legacy will be the first MP to be replaced by UKIP .
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What 'local services' are being put under immense pressure by immigration into Boston? I'm curious. It's just, every time I'm back here, the streets don't - as yet - appear to be strewn with refuge and sewage as one might expect given the hype. The Pilgrim's maternity ward would have apparently struggled to justify its continued existence had migration not provided some much needed demand, and the sheer volume of foreign-owned shops suggests that were it not for them, there would be a hell of a lot of boarded-up units at the moment. Crime has been on a downward trend for years etc etc...
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Exactly what our MP would say Adam .
For starters I would guess like him you are not on social housing waiting list .
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UKIP is not too far behind QWERTY on every keyboard in the country...well there's an 'O' in there somewhere as well :dan
For the first time in my life I didn't bother to vote...the Council are such a complete waste of space they would be unemployable anywhere else so they ended up here...if they were changed the incoming lot will be equally as useless as the present bunch. :dan
They are in the process of updating their 'local plan'. They want people to turn up to various meetings around the area and give their views on the new policy...don't bother wasting your time, they can't be bothered to enforce their existing local plan so they are hardly likely to bother with the new one. :o
As long as they can fill their days sitting on their arses ticking boxes and counting paperclips then that is all they will do
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UKIP is not too far behind QWERTY on every keyboard in the country...well there's an 'O' in there somewhere as well :dan
For the first time in my life I didn't bother to vote...the Council are such a complete waste of space they would be unemployable anywhere else so they ended up here...if they were changed the incoming lot will be equally as useless as the present bunch. :dan
They are in the process of updating their 'local plan'. They want people to turn up to various meetings around the area and give their views on the new policy...don't bother wasting your time, they can't be bothered to enforce their existing local plan so they are hardly likely to bother with the new one. :o
As long as they can fill their days sitting on their arses ticking boxes and counting paperclips then that is all they will do
Iam sure they can manage the "sitting on their arses" bit OK , concerned if they can tick the correct boxes and manage to count more than 10 paperclips correctly ;)
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Exactly what our MP would say Adam .
For starters I would guess like him you are not on social housing waiting list .
I guess this kinda backs up Dubai Camels point though, as wasn't it thatcher who started selling off all our social housing? Successive governments of both sides have failed to build anymore. With or without immigration their probably would have been a shortage. On the plus side, this has also created an excellent business opportunity in Boston if you invest in a rental property. I understand that the market is very competitive. I certainly don't believe the issues are as clear as UKIP and friends would have us believe.
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Exactly what our MP would say Adam .
For starters I would guess like him you are not on social housing waiting list .
I guess this kinda backs up Dubai Camels point though, as wasn't it thatcher who started selling off all our social housing? Successive governments of both sides have failed to build anymore. With or without immigration their probably would have been a shortage. On the plus side, this has also created an excellent business opportunity in Boston if you invest in a rental property. I understand that the market is very competitive. I certainly don't believe the issues are as clear as UKIP and friends would have us believe.
Not going to dispute the above Maxross , My point is the way the the stock we are left with is distributed . The new rules for 2/5 residence before an application for social housing can be made IF implimated will have come 10 years too late for Boston . Lifetime residents of Boston feel cheated that they get bypassed for social housing which is cheaper than the private sector .
Come the next election UKIP will seek figures under F O I on local issues which I suspect will stagger many locas and win UKIP a further surge in votes localy .
I have supported the Tory party for in excess of 50 years but no longer will they or Labour get my vote .
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The myth that all jobs go to foreigners is just that, a myth. My son 29 and his girlfriend 26 have returned from 2 years in the Southern Hemisphere and are both working fulltime. My son was in full time employment within 10 days and his girlfriend in 3 weeks. They both have jobs that are not minimum wage and no factory based.
Most employers are looking for folks who are literate, reliable and willing to work.
Will UKIP provide and jobs?
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Almost NO POLITICIAN IN THE U.K. HAS THE INTESTINAL and TESTICULAR FORTITUDE TO MAKE SUCH TRUTHFUL STATEMENTS!
Australia says NO - Second time she has done this!�
AMAZING You must read it !!!!�
Australian Prime Minister does it again!!
This woman should be appointed Queen of the World.. Truer words have never been spoken.
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Prime Minister Julia Gillard- Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..�
Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:�
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society ... Learn the language!'
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Britain , Europe, Canada & USA , WE will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
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Sorry - none of the above comments were made by Julia Gillard.
Here is the correct attribution: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp)
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Sorry - none of the above comments were made by Julia Gillard.
Here is the correct attribution: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp)
Bring back John major
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Sorry - none of the above comments were made by Julia Gillard.
Here is the correct attribution: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp)
Bring back John major
And Edwina Currie , lets sex up politics !!!!!
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What 'local services' are being put under immense pressure by immigration into Boston? I'm curious. It's just, every time I'm back here, the streets don't - as yet - appear to be strewn with refuge and sewage as one might expect given the hype. The Pilgrim's maternity ward would have apparently struggled to justify its continued existence had migration not provided some much needed demand, and the sheer volume of foreign-owned shops suggests that were it not for them, there would be a hell of a lot of boarded-up units at the moment. Crime has been on a downward trend for years etc etc...
Try getting an appointment before June at your doctors! You could also have a stroll in the central park if dare!
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What 'local services' are being put under immense pressure by immigration into Boston? I'm curious. It's just, every time I'm back here, the streets don't - as yet - appear to be strewn with refuge and sewage as one might expect given the hype. The Pilgrim's maternity ward would have apparently struggled to justify its continued existence had migration not provided some much needed demand, and the sheer volume of foreign-owned shops suggests that were it not for them, there would be a hell of a lot of boarded-up units at the moment. Crime has been on a downward trend for years etc etc...
Try getting an appointment before June at your doctors! You could also have a stroll in the central park if dare!
Doesn't your surgery do sit and wait appointments?
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There was a strong hint on Look North last night that Farage was considering putting up against our local clown at the next election.
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What 'local services' are being put under immense pressure by immigration into Boston? I'm curious. It's just, every time I'm back here, the streets don't - as yet - appear to be strewn with refuge and sewage as one might expect given the hype. The Pilgrim's maternity ward would have apparently struggled to justify its continued existence had migration not provided some much needed demand, and the sheer volume of foreign-owned shops suggests that were it not for them, there would be a hell of a lot of boarded-up units at the moment. Crime has been on a downward trend for years etc etc...
Try getting an appointment before June at your doctors! You could also have a stroll in the central park if dare!
Doesn't your surgery do sit and wait appointments?
Mine does a stand outside and wait in the freezing cold appoinyments . >:(
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There was a strong hint on Look North last night that Farage was considering putting up against our local clown at the next election.
Lets hope this produces a knee-jerk reaction from Simmonds . But if so we should not forget of forgive the little he has done for his constituents in his time here . Here we have a MP with a safe seat who has been able to ignore the constituents he represents and toe the party line (a*rsol creep) to further his career with the citizens of Boston & Skegness and district being the big losers . Lets make a change at the next election .
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Published on 09/05/2013 17:07 Standard
TV personality Charlie Brooker has issued a scathing attack on one of Boston’s newly-elected UKIP county councillors - suggesting she has no ‘mind’.
On last night’s Channel 4 show 10 O’clock Live, Elizabeth Ransome was singled out in a satirical UKIP segment presented by the comedian.
A photo of the 26-year-old was shown along with an article citisising one of her Facebook statuses which allegedly asked: ‘I no this is probably a stupid question but is tuna a real fish like ones that swim in water?’.
Brooker said: “It’s refreshing to find a politician prepared to speak their mind – even when they don’t have one.”
The Standard has been unable to contact Elizabeth, but has spoken with her father – unsuccessful UKIP candidate Don Ransome.
“She seems to have been targeted unfairly, but she will rise above it all and prove them wrong,” he said.
Suggesting a possible smear campaign by opposing parties, he added: “We have our own suspicions who is behind all this. They seem to think she is our weakest link and they are going to make capital on it.”
Elizabeth was one of three Ransome family members to be successfully elected in their Boston wards - with mum Sue and sister Felicity also winning their seats. Don and fellow daughter Jodie Sutton finished second in their races.
“She doesn’t know an awful lot about council work but she has got a council mentor - as have all the political novices, and she is determined to learn,” said Don.
“We have brought a lot of people on board who have never worked in council before and they are all being looked after to bring them on. We are all political novices at one stage.”
Speaking about the comments made on the show, he said: “Obviously, as a father it hurts when it is your child that is being spoken of like that, especially as she’s only 26.”
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I recently made the acquaintance of my local councillor, Tory, and nailed him about what was going on with the town.
His only reaction was to say that he was a new boy on the council, and therefore had to do what he was told.
I always thought the idea of local councillors was to represent their electorate - politics should NOT come into local issues and, in my humble opinion, ALL councillors should be Independant.
I know that this will never be the case, but I would love my local councillor to represent me, and not toe the party line.
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Is that the Charlie Brooker who writes for that awful leftie rag the guardian? Can understand why he has stooped to such a low level of humour, he must be gutted with UKIP'S resounding trouncing of his fellow lefties.
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...erm.....thanx Nigel for showing solidarity with my ex-wiife on Breakfast TV this morning! She is the dinner lady featured in global media and telly at present for serving a Muslim child gammon....by accident!x If i'd have been a Muslim she'd have fed me itregular by mistake...it's why I loved her and married her....innocence personified!x
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SOOTYS BACK! :)
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...fear not Howmanynames2pick......this name has never left Boston....tis in the heart.......honest.............!x
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Question Time BBC1 tonight at 10:35pm is from Boston and Nigel Farage is on the panel.
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Question Time BBC1 tonight at 10:35pm is from Boston and Nigel Farage is on the panel.
Sleepless nights for Mark Simmonds ?
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Lots of questions, but very few answers :(
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Typical BBC hand picked audience, majority made up of the loony left/liberal brigade, hardly conducive for an impartial discussion. Thought Nigel Farage came across pretty well.
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I liked the guy from Northampton, he likened himself to Polish nationals.
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Thought Mr Tickle looked good in his little black number ;D. Didn't spot N40 in the audience.
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the only guy to have a pop at immigrants was errrr...an immigrant!
after seeing that last night I believe we cant manage without them, there are no problems with health and social services etc etc.......well what a relief :)
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Typical BBC hand picked audience, majority made up of the loony left/liberal brigade, hardly conducive for an impartial discussion. Thought Nigel Farage came across pretty well.
Why didn't you apply to represent the looney right? You can say categorically that every member of the audience was a looney lefty/liberal can you? Do you still read the Daily Mail?
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Typical BBC hand picked audience, majority made up of the loony left/liberal brigade, hardly conducive for an impartial discussion. Thought Nigel Farage came across pretty well.
That probably explains why you think the BBC is full of loony lefties...
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Made a change for Boston not to come across as a bunch of irrational racists or just the stupid people the television normally selects for Boston
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Made a change for Boston not to come across as a bunch of irrational racists or just the stupid people the television normally selects for Boston
Shame the BBC did not select a fair amount of Poles to be present . If they had done they would have protested that the town cannot cope with a influx of Bulgarians and Romanians , and in doing so would not have been accused of being racist.
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I felt the Greek 'convicted fraudster' and Keynesian economist Vicky Pryce come across better than 'Austrian student' Nigel Farage. The Labour & Tory 'put ups' were very poor while the 'poet' was entertaining.
Quote from Pryce book 'Greekonomics' (2012) on a Greek exit from the Eurozone:-
"A serious possibility of exit -- and how could it be kept completely secret? -- would lead to a full-scale run on the banks. Clearly any country wishing to exit the eurozone would have to nationalize or take temporary control of the banks and reintroduce controls on the movement of capital. The government would also need to reintroduce stringent border controls to stop people leaving the country with euro notes and coins in their luggage or in their underwear! In countries like Greece, where taking to the streets is part of the political way of life, the population would probably react by attempting to physically remove their savings, breaking into the banks -- and then for good measure attacking Parliament. So in Greece a euro exit could easily end with troops on the streets and martial law -- just the circumstances that joining the EU was meant to prevent."
Her Keynesian answer is:-
Pryce favours fiscal policy that includes a stimulus package and wants the European Central Bank to buy bonds.
In plain English 'Print money' and devalue our currencies.
I wonder why our energy bills are going through the roof?
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Farage impressed me because he answered the questions and respected the others opportunity to speak by remaining quiet and let them have their say. The other two politicians did the usual thing of waffling and avoiding giving answers. The poet may as well have stayed at home and Pryce could have done the same. Farage never said kick out the foreigners but was right about the lack of immigration control and the strain on services caused by the population boom not being matched by increase of money to increase those services. If he stood for election in this area I would vote for him. I seem to only hear Simmonds name on this forum and labours rep' is no alternative whatsoever. Must go now, going out to set up a business hiring kids to immigrants so they can claim benefits, isn't that what the smart, good English speaking Ruski said happens, immigrants claiming benefits for kids that don't exist.
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Several times they mentioned that there wasn't enough money available for the infrastructure and services that this borough requires, and yet the Council spends taxpayer's money willy nilly trying to cover up the mistakes made by their incompetent Planning Department :o
Strange but true :dan
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Made a change for Boston not to come across as a bunch of irrational racists or just the stupid people the television normally selects for Boston
Shame the BBC did not select a fair amount of Poles to be present . If they had done they would have protested that the town cannot cope with a influx of Bulgarians and Romanians , and in doing so would not have been accused of being racist.
Quite true the television does seem to like portraying Boston in a bad light. It is a sad state when you can't come out with a well constructed argument without being accused of racism
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I felt the Greek 'convicted fraudster' and Keynesian economist Vicky Pryce come across better than 'Austrian student' Nigel Farage. The Labour & Tory 'put ups' were very poor while the 'poet' was entertaining.
Quote from Pryce book 'Greekonomics' (2012) on a Greek exit from the Eurozone:-
"A serious possibility of exit -- and how could it be kept completely secret? -- would lead to a full-scale run on the banks. Clearly any country wishing to exit the eurozone would have to nationalize or take temporary control of the banks and reintroduce controls on the movement of capital. The government would also need to reintroduce stringent border controls to stop people leaving the country with euro notes and coins in their luggage or in their underwear! In countries like Greece, where taking to the streets is part of the political way of life, the population would probably react by attempting to physically remove their savings, breaking into the banks -- and then for good measure attacking Parliament. So in Greece a euro exit could easily end with troops on the streets and martial law -- just the circumstances that joining the EU was meant to prevent."
Her Keynesian answer is:-
Pryce favours fiscal policy that includes a stimulus package and wants the European Central Bank to buy bonds.
In plain English 'Print money' and devalue our currencies.
I wonder why our energy bills are going through the roof?
I defy anyone to submit a better posting than that on the subject of last nights Question Time
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I think Qwerty as been at the GUINNESS again ;)
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Going through hundreds of postings on the internet over the weekend the following points seemed to emerge ..
Non Bostonians sensed that the BBC had fixed an unrepresentive audience (claims of BBC busing a load of loonie lefties to most the programmes )
On Huffington Post online a poll was set up for votes on if Mrs Soubry was right to accuse Fararge of "scaremongering " , 20% voted in Soubrys favour , 72 % in Farage favour .
Where were the immigrants in the audience ?
Most locals and many neutral though Farage had been "stiched up " by the BBC. (audience and panel selection )
If this did not leave us enough to debate on Sunday politics yesterday Mr Farage pointed out that in two years time Turkey will be in the EU therefore making 72million Turks free to enter the UK.
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Going through hundreds of postings on the internet over the weekend the following points seemed to emerge ..
Non Bostonians sensed that the BBC had fixed an unrepresentive audience (claims of BBC busing a load of loonie lefties to most the programmes )
On Huffington Post online a poll was set up for votes on if Mrs Soubry was right to accuse Fararge of "scaremongering " , 20% voted in Soubrys favour , 72 % in Farage favour .
Where were the immigrants in the audience ?
Most locals and many neutral though Farage had been "stiched up " by the BBC. (audience and panel selection )
If this did not leave us enough to debate on Sunday politics yesterday Mr Farage pointed out that in two years time Turkey will be in the EU therefore making 72million Turks free to enter the UK.
I'm not sure why the BBC would bus in "loonie lefties" or try to discredit him? If anything, they seem to be giving Mr Farage a disproportinately high amount of airtime in order to set out his views. He has been on the show 14 times since 2009, more than any other politician. Surely they've had plenty of time to discredit him by now?
I recognised plenty of people in the audience, but would be interested to know what firm evidence there is that it was rigged? Its a pretty serious allegation to be fair.
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It could then be conversely argued, that the BBC are bussing in "Rabid Right Wingers"...
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See Trevor Kavanagh's political column in today's Sun for his take on the QT farce last week.
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This is it:
IN the May local elections, UKIP insurgents swept to victory in Lincolnshire, grabbing nine out 11 council seats representing the people of Boston.
It was a major coup for Nigel Farage and a mark of public alarm over immigration which has famously seen the town’s population rocket by 20,000 in ten years.
Locals complained loudly at the time about crowded schools and pressure on health and social services in what has become known as Little Poland.
So it was astonishing on Thursday — barely six months later — to see Farage howled down by a BBC Question Time audience apparently made up of Boston folk.
The hostility from fellow panellists was predictable — apart from a vicious savaging by Tory defence minister Anna Soubry.
She led a pack including Labour’s Emily Thornberry, Greek-born Vicky Pryce, ex-wife of disgraced points-swapper Chris Huhne, and Rasta poet Benjamin Zephaniah in a chorus of disapproval.
Soubry scolded Farage as a rabble-rousing “scaremonger” who twists facts and turns immigrants into figures of hate.
Her charge might have had more force had Farage’s forecasts on immigration not been proved so accurate in the past. Farage might have hoped for support when he pointed out that, in just eight weeks, Britain will open its doors to 29million Romanians and Bulgarians.
Instead, he was shouted down for getting his figures wrong. There were only 27million Bulgarians and Romanians, Soubry snapped (incorrectly).
David Cameron, who is desperately trying to woo angry UKIP voters back to the Tory fold, was appalled by her rant.
Soubry, I am told, “adds interest and gaiety to the political debate” but she was not speaking for the PM.
Farage can look after himself and I am not his cheerleader. Normally he would take this in his stride.
But what was even more startling than Soubry’s tirade was the seemingly co-ordinated barrage of criticism he faced from the Bostonians themselves.
The microphone ranged from one outraged supporter of the free movement of peoples to another. Migrants contributed nothing to Lincolnshire but blood, sweat, toil and tears, it seemed.
The audience was stacked with questioners who appeared suspiciously well-rehearsed, self-confident and bullishly determined to be heard.
Most insisted immigration was a good thing, which may be true — up to a point.
But the most ardent supporter must surely be concerned that Britain’s population has already exploded by five million in ten years, with the Office for National Statistics (ONS) predicting it will grow by as many again in the next 14 years.
By 2037 it will hit 73.3million, says the ONS, rivalling Germany which dwarfs the UK geographically. Yet no extra homes, hospitals or schools are being built to accommodate them.
In Boston, this is a real hot potato. Last May, voters loudly complained that spoken English was rarely heard, newcomers are reluctant to blend in and there are no jobs for young locals.
So how did the fair and balanced BBC stumble on such a defiantly pro-immigrant audience?
I may have an answer. I was invited on to a recent Radio 5 debate on public trust in the BBC, following scandals over Jimmy Savile and executive pay-offs.
Before going on air, I was joined by a group of people who were to be part of the audience. Out of curiosity, I asked if they had requested a chance to take part?
Some had but others said they had been involved in previous phone-ins in which they had expressed certain views. Their names and opinions had been logged and they had received invitations to this debate as a result.
During the programme, these “members of the audience” were prompted to ask questions. Out of the blue, one of them tore into me over the Sun’s coverage of Hillsborough.
Fair enough — if this had been a truly random question. But it sounded very much like one he’d cooked earlier.
Could this explain how the BBC spices up its debates — by placing people in the audience who can be relied on to take a rehearsed and provocative line?
If so, is it so surprising that trust in the BBC is on the slide?
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"Question Time faces bias accusations over new editor's socialist past"
The BBC is facing fresh accusations of left-wing bias after it emerged that the new editor of Question Time has a history of writing for extreme socialist publications.
Full 2011 Telegraph article here:
Nicolai Gentchev, who will take the helm of BBC One’s flagship political programme in the summer when the production team makes its controversial move from Westminster to Glasgow, has written for International Socialism Journal and Socialist Review.
Mr Gentchev wrote an article in the International Socialism Journal in 1995 entitled “The Myth of Welfare Dependency”. He wrote: “Even capitalism’s supporters do not see an end to mass unemployment and low wages… all they offer is to make living on welfare so unbearable that even more people are forced off benefits and into conditions which were common… before the creation of the welfare state. While we fight to make sure such plans never become reality, we have to get rid of the system which has brought us to this point.”
The website of the International Socialism Journal says that it is associated with the Socialist Workers’ Party. The website continues: “The International Socialist Tendency unites revolutionary organisations around the world on the basis of workers’ power [and] revolution not reform.”
Mr Gentchev wrote for Socialist Review as late as 2003, when he reviewed the book Labour Party Plc by David Osler.
Philip Davies MP, a Conservative member of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee, said: “This probably comes as little surprise, but it is a further indication of left-wing bias at the BBC. We can expect more of the same from Question Time - audiences that are hostile to the government, left-wing panels and a left-wing agenda being
Mr Gentchev joined the BBC in 2006, and became a senior producer on Radio 4’s Today programme in 2008.
During his time on Today, Mr Gentchev produced a special series from Russia with Bridget Kendall looking at how the country had changed under Putin and in November 2009 travelled with reporter Andrew Hosken to Pakistan to produce a series of reports during the South Waziristan offensive.
He currently lives in Glasgow, where he is on secondment as the editor of Radio Scotland’s Good Morning Scotland programme.
Question Time’s move to Glasgow has been openly criticised by its presenter, David Dimbleby, who has insisted that weekly editorial meetings continue to take place in London.
The programme has seen the resignation of its current editor, Ed Havard, over the move, despite Mr Havard being very highly regarded by Mr Dimbleby.
The BBC also announced that Hayley Valentine, who was head of news at Radio 5 Live until last summer, will be Question Time’s new executive editor.
A BBC insider said: “No disrespect to Nicolai, who was very well regarded on the Today programme, but this is a big promotion for him. It would be interesting to know whether other candidates on higher pay grades turned the job down because it would involve moving to Scotland.”
A BBC spokesman said: “Nicolai joined the BBC in 2006 long after these pieces were published and it is nonsense to suggest they have any bearing on his impartiality.”
BBC Director of News Helen Boaden said: “Question Time has an outstanding new team to lead it. Nicolai and Hayley have a great depth of experience in the political institutions across the UK. They will ensure that one of the BBC’s most important programmes goes from strength to strength.”
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Apparently the woman who accused NF of scaremongering was from Manchester!!!
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Going through hundreds of postings on the internet over the weekend the following points seemed to emerge ..
Non Bostonians sensed that the BBC had fixed an unrepresentive audience (claims of BBC busing a load of loonie lefties to most the programmes )
On Huffington Post online a poll was set up for votes on if Mrs Soubry was right to accuse Fararge of "scaremongering " , 20% voted in Soubrys favour , 72 % in Farage favour .
Where were the immigrants in the audience ?
Most locals and many neutral though Farage had been "stiched up " by the BBC. (audience and panel selection )
If this did not leave us enough to debate on Sunday politics yesterday Mr Farage pointed out that in two years time Turkey will be in the EU therefore making 72million Turks free to enter the UK.
I'm not sure why the BBC would bus in "loonie lefties" or try to discredit him? If anything, they seem to be giving Mr Farage a disproportinately high amount of airtime in order to set out his views. He has been on the show 14 times since 2009, more than any other politician. Surely they've had plenty of time to discredit him by now?
I recognised plenty of people in the audience, but would be interested to know what firm evidence there is that it was rigged? Its a pretty serious allegation to be fair.
I have lived in Boston 73 years and recognised about 6 people in the audience including John Laight who submitted a question . Not often Boston attracts visitors from Mansfield !!!!!!!
Having been out and about town since the show I have yet to meet anyone who think it was a fair representation of Boston , indeed I have had phone calls from other parts of the county with the callers expressing concern at the make up of the show . As yet I have not had contact with any of my immigrant friends / neighbours with their take , but I suspect they will be disappointed at lack of representation
Politicly I think Mrs Soubry due to her performance is near the end of her political career.
If as some have suggested Farage was "stitched up" it badly miss fired as this as createthe impression
that UKIP have become a real force in politics
Dave Cameron had every right to be angry ,
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Reading the Trevor Kavangh article Farage must be highly delighted , must be a voter winner for him an endorsement like that .
No christmas card from Mark Simmonds to Mrs Soubry .
Many sleepless nights for Mr Simmonds.
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And rightly so Pete, he treats the electorate round here with stunning contempt.
If there were a viable alternative I'd vote for them and break the habit of a lifetime.
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Appearing on the Andrew Marr show this morning the displicable above mention Anna Soubry gifted
Farage and UKIP with loads of votes by disgusting gutter like remarks aimed at Farage .
"looks (Farage) like somebody put their finger up hts bottom "
Pity the party I have voted for over the last 50 years cannot find better rabble than this to represent the people of Nottingham .
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Glad to see that UKIP don't have a monopoly on disgusting gutter like remarks.
Most UKIP representatives would be proud of such comments.
UKIP aren't capable of running their own party never mind a government.
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Glad to see that UKIP don't have a monopoly on disgusting gutter like remarks.
Most UKIP representatives would be proud of such comments.
UKIP aren't capable of running their own party never mind a government.
I,ve voted tory for 50 years D C and the above applies to them , therefore they will no longer get my vote .