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The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Dipdodah on April 08, 2013, 02:07:12 PM

Title: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 08, 2013, 02:07:12 PM
You either loved her or hated her.

Nearly lost my house in the 90's due to her polices, saying that would not wish her dead, but I know a lot of people who would.

I hope she rests in peace.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Shoddys Lane on April 08, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
Crack the Champagne open.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 08, 2013, 02:19:16 PM
Crack the Champagne open.

I know a lot of people who will.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: howmanynames2pick on April 08, 2013, 03:25:09 PM
Those of you who moan about immigration and benefit cheats would probably have less to moan about were she in charge now.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: kingofnaves on April 08, 2013, 03:37:24 PM
RIP Maggie
Waiting for Monty to post!
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 08, 2013, 03:38:45 PM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Pilgrim86 on April 08, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
RIP Maggie
Waiting for Monty to post!
May the Iron Lady rust in peace...
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: York Street Pilgrim on April 08, 2013, 05:00:13 PM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 08, 2013, 05:12:53 PM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Fairfax on April 08, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
Margaret Thatcher: significant pluses, overwhelming minuses, but really - she was magnificent.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: The Big M on April 08, 2013, 07:28:27 PM
Those of you who moan about immigration and benefit cheats would probably have less to moan about were she in charge now.

She wasn't against the eu anyhow
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: howmanynames2pick on April 08, 2013, 07:33:44 PM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: howmanynames2pick on April 08, 2013, 07:36:20 PM
Those of you who moan about immigration and benefit cheats would probably have less to moan about were she in charge now.

She wasn't against the eu anyhow
She certainly would have put up a fight against the laws a parliament in a foriegn land force upon us.

rant over

back to football
Who scored the first Manu goal after Alex Ferguson took over?
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: qwerty on April 08, 2013, 07:49:26 PM
I think I've found Dipdodah here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FS0YrTHaEI

LOL m8.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: howmanynames2pick on April 08, 2013, 08:45:10 PM
Welcome back Qwerty!
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Bostonshire on April 08, 2013, 10:52:45 PM
Doesnt matter who incharge, they all and will continue to screw us.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 09, 2013, 08:11:22 AM
I think I've found Dipdodah here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FS0YrTHaEI

LOL m8.

not the dreaded marigolds ;D
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Seenbetter on April 09, 2013, 10:49:52 AM
Ah the good old days. 16/17% mortgages, two household incomes and one of those just enough to pay the mortgage. Unions trying to run the country. Red Robbo calling everyone at British Leyland out on strike every other week because a bloke who usually turned a nut clockwise was asked to turn it anti-clockwise. Striking miners bombarding coaches, carrying miners who wanted to work, with bricks and bottles in an attempt to stop them getting to work. The poor old taxi driver who was killed when carrying a miner to work when some striking miners dropped a paving slab from an overhead foot bridge through the windscreen of his car.
It was inconceivable that unions were going to win the day, the government were just not going to let it happen.
At the moment it appears if you were a strong unionist you didn't like MT and if you weren't she was the best thing since sliced bread.
I liked her because she was a strong leader, something we could do with now to tell the EU where to go with its rediculous policies.
Roll on Saturday, looking forward to a good game. Hope we get that female ref again.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: howmanynames2pick on April 09, 2013, 12:18:02 PM
Ah the good old days. 16/17% mortgages, two household incomes and one of those just enough to pay the mortgage. Unions trying to run the country. Red Robbo calling everyone at British Leyland out on strike every other week because a bloke who usually turned a nut clockwise was asked to turn it anti-clockwise. Striking miners bombarding coaches, carrying miners who wanted to work, with bricks and bottles in an attempt to stop them getting to work. The poor old taxi driver who was killed when carrying a miner to work when some striking miners dropped a paving slab from an overhead foot bridge through the windscreen of his car.
It was inconceivable that unions were going to win the day, the government were just not going to let it happen.
At the moment it appears if you were a strong unionist you didn't like MT and if you weren't she was the best thing since sliced bread.
I liked her because she was a strong leader, something we could do with now to tell the EU where to go with its rediculous policies.
Roll on Saturday, looking forward to a good game. Hope we get that female ref again.
Must say, you got that all correct :) particularly about the ref!
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: green hats mate on April 09, 2013, 03:23:19 PM
Ah the good old days. 16/17% mortgages, two household incomes and one of those just enough to pay the mortgage. Unions trying to run the country. Red Robbo calling everyone at British Leyland out on strike every other week because a bloke who usually turned a nut clockwise was asked to turn it anti-clockwise. Striking miners bombarding coaches, carrying miners who wanted to work, with bricks and bottles in an attempt to stop them getting to work. The poor old taxi driver who was killed when carrying a miner to work when some striking miners dropped a paving slab from an overhead foot bridge through the windscreen of his car.
It was inconceivable that unions were going to win the day, the government were just not going to let it happen.
At the moment it appears if you were a strong unionist you didn't like MT and if you weren't she was the best thing since sliced bread.
I liked her because she was a strong leader, something we could do with now to tell the EU where to go with its rediculous policies.
Roll on Saturday, looking forward to a good game. Hope we get that female ref again.
Must say, you got that all correct :) particularly about the ref!

Same here .    You must get her mobile number next time she comes SB. :)
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: miele on April 09, 2013, 03:48:50 PM
MAGGIE you were my pin/up in polatics,as KAREN BRADY is in football.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: ianh on April 09, 2013, 03:50:25 PM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 09, 2013, 03:58:13 PM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: green hats mate on April 09, 2013, 04:11:57 PM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Sussex Pilgrim on April 09, 2013, 04:22:30 PM
And without the changes she initiated where would the country be?

Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: The Big M on April 09, 2013, 06:27:01 PM
Well we wouldnt be paying through the nose for gas for a start. Paying all this money to overseas companys who don't care a jot about us or GB. Unless when things like Corby steel works got closed 11000 people lost a job all at once. Suppose if you think thats a good thing 11000 familys ruined. Hey good for you I say.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Sussex Pilgrim on April 09, 2013, 07:11:40 PM
Well we wouldnt be paying through the nose for gas for a start. Paying all this money to overseas companys who don't care a jot about us or GB. Unless when things like Corby steel works got closed 11000 people lost a job all at once. Suppose if you think thats a good thing 11000 familys ruined. Hey good for you I say.


Indeed no we wouldn't just be paying through the nose for Gas it'd be for everything and banckrupt as a country.

I think if you think the developing nations of the world are going to stop trying to take the jobs of un competative industries your deluded.  Why should they as a popultion live in real squalor and accept their lot? This while the people backing unions here wanted to lie back and take it easy with a short working week and work to rule and demarkation?  Big business will migrate to exploit where is best for their interests and profits and there is no control of any rules that one nation could put in place to prevent it.  In the 80's our industry generally and productivity mostly was down the pan and the unions liked it like that.

Equally I don't think loosing jobs is a good thing but refusing to change, buying your head in the past and waving a socilaist workers flag isn't going to enable the country to remain competative either.  Just take a look at the end of the USSR and that's the state our economy would have been in without the hard calls made. 

Trabant anyone ?
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 09, 2013, 07:13:42 PM
G H M, you are about right ;)
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 09, 2013, 07:15:48 PM
Sussex Pilgrim, you are good example of the North-- south devide.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: The Big M on April 09, 2013, 08:23:32 PM
You didn't get my point so I shall surrender to your greater intellect. I didn't say reform wasn't needed im also not a socialist I just dont see why it needs to be celebrated. Parts of the north never recovered. I just think that's a shame that's all
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Maxross on April 09, 2013, 09:32:54 PM
Well we wouldnt be paying through the nose for gas for a start. Paying all this money to overseas companys who don't care a jot about us or GB. Unless when things like Corby steel works got closed 11000 people lost a job all at once. Suppose if you think thats a good thing 11000 familys ruined. Hey good for you I say.


Indeed no we wouldn't just be paying through the nose for Gas it'd be for everything and banckrupt as a country.

I think if you think the developing nations of the world are going to stop trying to take the jobs of un competative industries your deluded.  Why should they as a popultion live in real squalor and accept their lot? This while the people backing unions here wanted to lie back and take it easy with a short working week and work to rule and demarkation?  Big business will migrate to exploit where is best for their interests and profits and there is no control of any rules that one nation could put in place to prevent it.  In the 80's our industry generally and productivity mostly was down the pan and the unions liked it like that.

Equally I don't think loosing jobs is a good thing but refusing to change, buying your head in the past and waving a socilaist workers flag isn't going to enable the country to remain competative either.  Just take a look at the end of the USSR and that's the state our economy would have been in without the hard calls made. 

Trabant anyone ?

This is the line pedalled time and again by the Tory party but the old industries didn't have to necessarily go to the wall. I think it's clear that reform was needed, but I believe that could have been done so that we could shape our industrial sector for the 21st century.

If you look at what the Germans did when faced with similar challenges to us I think we got it wrong. They accepted they couldn't ever compete on price and therefore decided to focus on marketing their products based on quality. In addition they kept a representative of the workers on the board of directors to aid communication between the two and I believe managing directors were promoted from within the company. Ie you could work your way all the way up.

The fact is time has told us one thing, thatchers big plan hasn't worked. We are now in the longest reccesion in living memory (it is now longer than the great depression) and all the talk is of "re-balancing" the economy, to guess what... Manufacturing! We live in a society of individuals, every man for himself where we tread on others to get to the top.

Just a final note to what could have been done. Rolls-Royce, the firm I work for went bankrupt in 1976 I believe. Too important to the country's defences etc the state stepped in and ran them. The company wasn't re-privatised until 1991 and has gone on to become a shining beacon of engineering and without doubt our best manufacturing company. Ok it was always a good brand, but their is no reason similar success couldn't have been achieved with other companies rather than letting them go to the wall, lost forever and thousands unemployed.

Food for thought....
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: The Big M on April 09, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
My brother lives near a little rolls Royce factory near hucknall. Other than that it's a dead area around there and it's just that thats sad the thousands of unemployed
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: BostonGoals on April 09, 2013, 10:24:18 PM
I think PM's should do their upmost to care for all their citizens not just a select few. She paid too high a price for the changes she made, and left us overly reliant on the financial services.

Was society a happier place before or after her?
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dave H on April 09, 2013, 11:39:46 PM
Well she took power in 1979 when there was a three day week and the period was known as  "The Winter of Discontent"  , Bins unemptied, limited times for electricity , society certainly wasn't happy then.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 10, 2013, 08:47:58 AM
Well she took power in 1979 when there was a three day week and the period was known as  "The Winter of Discontent"  , Bins unemptied, limited times for electricity , society certainly wasn't happy then.

True, things were bleak.  The unions DID have too much power and something had to be done.  The problem was that she showed no middle ground and crushed the unions.  Generations of fight and denial wiped out by a dictator type Police state.  You only have to look at Hillsborough to see how corrupt South Yorkshire police were.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: ianh on April 10, 2013, 11:45:53 AM
The fact is time has told us one thing, thatchers big plan hasn't worked. We are now in the longest reccesion in living memory (it is now longer than the great depression) and all the talk is of "re-balancing" the economy, to guess what... Manufacturing! We live in a society of individuals, every man for himself where we tread on others to get to the top.

Thatchers plan would have worked, only its been changed over the last 20 years by too many lily-livered politicians (who are still with us), do you really think we would have had this recession if we had kept to her policies and not spent more than we earned, if Gordon Brown hadnt sold off our gold to the lowest bidder.
its alright tring to be socialist and look after everyone here and worldwide...........until other people (the taxpayers) money runs out
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Scots Pilgrim on April 10, 2013, 08:27:06 PM
Certainly no tears being spilled over her up here north of the border
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: The Big M on April 10, 2013, 08:33:20 PM
Why not. Closing all the steel works and ship yards with no plan for getting people back to work ruining thousands of Scottish peoples lifes for generations. Places never recovering. Sounds like a great leader to me
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: les on April 10, 2013, 09:15:43 PM
Well most of you claim to believe in the British democracy and she was elected every time she ran as party leader. She put the Great back into Great Briton.
She started the movement to allow companies and individuals to save towards their own pensions, to take some of the burden off the state. When Blair and Brown came to power, in the very early stages they robbed the pension funds of 5 billion in the first year, wasted the money and set the decline in the economy on the downward slope we are still trying to get out of. Pensioners are still trying to recover from that great pension fund robbery after the previous Government decimated the pension system, and are not looking back to the state to cover what was taken from them.
The only thing she seems to have done wrong is she was a Lincolnshire girl.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: truffleshuffle on April 10, 2013, 09:56:59 PM
The only thing she seems to have done wrong is she was a Lincolnshire girl.

You should know by now, if they are local their no good  :dan
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Fairfax on April 10, 2013, 10:19:32 PM
If we're going to talk about pensions, I was a software designer for a payroll company and had to make the payroll program changes. I can assure you that Thatcher was the prime minister when I had to alter the programs allowing employers to take "a holiday" from paying into pension funds. I have my diaries to prove it.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Myleftfoot on April 11, 2013, 09:20:02 PM
I cannot believe the supposedly poor British people on here espousing the virtues of Thatcher. Whilst  she and her cronies set about the destruction of the manufacturing infrastructure of the UK! The fancy Tories of Lincolnshire have conned the locals for decades, and this continues! Vote Tory or your jobs at risk is the old tack.  8)
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Dipdodah on April 12, 2013, 09:17:34 AM
I cannot believe the supposedly poor British people on here espousing the virtues of Thatcher. Whilst  she and her cronies set about the destruction of the manufacturing infrastructure of the UK! The fancy Tories of Lincolnshire have conned the locals for decades, and this continues! Vote Tory or your jobs at risk is the old tack.  8)
I remember in the 60's a local farmer of the time used to give time off to vote.  Not only did he give time off, his wife gave all his workers a lift to the polling station.  Only condition was that they voted Tory.  I remember my neighbour telling me and I asked him if he did vote Tory, or did he vote for who he wanted.  He said he voted Tory because his boss told him to.  He was afraid for his job.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: dubai camel on April 12, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: green hats mate on April 12, 2013, 12:36:30 PM
Don,t forget Gordon Brown saved the WORLD . :-[
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: green hats mate on April 12, 2013, 12:45:06 PM
I cannot believe the supposedly poor British people on here espousing the virtues of Thatcher. Whilst  she and her cronies set about the destruction of the manufacturing infrastructure of the UK! The fancy Tories of Lincolnshire have conned the locals for decades, and this continues! Vote Tory or your jobs at risk is the old tack.  8)
I remember in the 60's a local farmer of the time used to give time off to vote.  Not only did he give time off, his wife gave all his workers a lift to the polling station.  Only condition was that they voted Tory.  I remember my neighbour telling me and I asked him if he did vote Tory, or did he vote for who he wanted.  He said he voted Tory because his boss told him to.  He was afraid for his job.

Many locals of my generation will vouch this practice was widespread in this part of the county .
And yes they did vote Tory as instructed by the farmers .
The farmers of that era inflicted fear on the workers .
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Seenbetter on April 12, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
That sort of thing can't happen now, most of the land workers and pack house workers don,t come fro this country and are not elligible to vote. The farmers would have to re think their employment selection procedures. There is always the chance that Simmonds could try and get them the right to vote to secure his seat through the farmers influence on the employment of aliens.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Anita Goodsheet on April 12, 2013, 09:07:10 PM
For those that are interested........

http://www.cityam.com/article/five-myths-about-margaret-thatcher-must-be-refuted
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: kingofnaves on April 12, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
Bit of topic! But has anybody heard on the radio or local paper about the spilsby rd incident ? Just wonder if theres a news blackout to coincide with the UKIP visit?
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: Seenbetter on April 12, 2013, 10:04:39 PM
I think there is a news blackout in the Kirton area, I haven,t heared owt.
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: dubai camel on April 13, 2013, 06:46:25 AM
Question:

What have the Tory council and county council ever done for Boston?
Title: Re: O/T Maggie Thatcher
Post by: green hats mate on April 13, 2013, 10:00:39 AM
Question:

What have the Tory council and county council ever done for Boston?

Add our Tory MP to the list .
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The answer ,  very little .