Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: noughtyforties on February 23, 2013, 08:17:59 PM
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need to visit his tailor on Monday for a fitting for that new suit...........?
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no, lost 4-3 on agg. Went 1 down today, levelled it up at HT. Then Trinity got another with 6 minutes to go and hammered Wrexham with long balls into the box and almost scored on several occasions but Wrexham held on, and not even the Gainsbro stewards could keep them off the pitch to celebrate
Looked a good crowd, maybe 2000 but 900+ Wrexham went apparantly
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need to visit his tailor on Monday for a fitting for that new suit...........?
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Perhaps to visit the job centre :D
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no, lost 4-3 on agg. Went 1 down today, levelled it up at HT. Then Trinity got another with 6 minutes to go and hammered Wrexham with long balls into the box and almost scored on several occasions but Wrexham held on, and not even the Gainsbro stewards could keep them off the pitch to celebrate
Looked a good crowd, maybe 2000 but 900+ Wrexham went apparantly
Good, pleased they lost, they'd have shown the county up at Wembley. I'd be like a gang of tramps gatecrashing a Royal garden party if that tinpot outfit had been allowed into Wembley.
2000? A good crowd? For the biggest game in their history? And 900 away fans? So about 11-1200 home fans........shameful.
At least Grimsby will take something like a proper following, not something akin to a Sunday School outing.
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Lol n40 I love your disdain for trinity makes me laugh well. Out loud
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no, lost 4-3 on agg.
Thank God for that ;)
The english language couldn't take much more of a mullering from Housham & Co :dan
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Rarely go to a game as a neutral but seeing Shaun Pearson at the new wembley is tempting.
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Lol n40 I love your disdain for trinity makes me laugh well. Out loud
Well hopefully we'll never plumb the depths of being on a level playing field with Grantham Town again, but if we do, before I overdose on Mogadon I'm going to vent my spleen in such a way that this 'banter' with Gainsborough will look like a cosy chat with the curate at The Stump.......
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The way it's going at the minute I shouldn't count your chicken
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Rarely go to a game as a neutral but seeing Shaun Pearson at the new wembley is tempting.
I agree - am also tempted.
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Did Trinity really only attract 1200 fans today? Seriously??
They really are shit, aren't they?
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Did Trinity really only attract 1200 fans today? Seriously??
They really are shit, aren't they?
The manager appears to be doing a half decent job, the players are reasonable.
BUT
Gainsborough is not a football town, it's a horrible little place and i feel sorry for the people forced to live there. (Surely they are forced or else they would move?)
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Great performance from Trinity today to beat a wrexham side unbeaten in 13.
Guess it just wasnt to be. Oh well we shall just have to concentrate on the league now and reaching the playoffs.
That and increasing the gap between us and your joke of an outfit. 1200 fans a week a FL groundand still 11 points behind the counties joke club who also have 4 games in hand.
You lot Embarressed?
I would be!
UTB
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Unfortunately even tho i so badly want to, beginning to agree that he hasa point!
I nee to lie down :-[
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Great performance from Trinity today to beat a wrexham side unbeaten in 13.
Guess it just wasnt to be. Oh well we shall just have to concentrate on the league now and reaching the playoffs.
That and increasing the gap between us and your joke of an outfit. 1200 fans a week a FL groundand still 11 points behind the counties joke club who also have 4 games in hand.
You lot Embarressed?
I would be!
UTB
Just don't get it do you? Ultimately, points, players, playoffs etc mean nothing when comparing the two outfits. We're bigger and better, nearly always have been, certainly always will be.
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define bigger and better?
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Great performance from Trinity today to beat a wrexham side unbeaten in 13.
Guess it just wasnt to be. Oh well we shall just have to concentrate on the league now and reaching the playoffs.
That and increasing the gap between us and your joke of an outfit. 1200 fans a week a FL groundand still 11 points behind the counties joke club who also have 4 games in hand.
You lot Embarressed?
I would be!
UTB
Just don't get it do you? Ultimately, points, players, playoffs etc mean nothing when comparing the two outfits. We're bigger and better, nearly always have been, certainly always will be.
Bold statement there LCB , hope it does,nt come back to bite us.
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Anybody with money can turn up and make a horrible little club at this level a top side. This however doesn't stop them being a horrible little club
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define bigger and better?
I think your attendance for the FA Trophy semi final, your biggest ever game, makes that argument for us.
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The way it seems from a Trinity fan looking into Boston is as follows:
Boston are now no more than an average BSN club playing in a ground which they do not own, pay extortionate rent on and are struggling to maintain. I believe youhave 5 years left on the lease and are then looking to move to a ground you would ultimately own.
So what will the new ground be like? Well unless you suddenly get an investor with 10 times the spending power of Peter Swann I dont forsee your new ground being much more than the one he anticipated building for Trinity. So we are therefor talking a 4000-5000 capacity with only the required number of seats to make the ground grading criteria installed.
The ground will be out of town and you will therefore lose the "nothing else to do crowd" that may attend on a Saturday.
The ground will need to be financed and whilst your chairman istrying to source funding and partnerships some of the costs will have to come from the football club. Some of your operating revenue will therefore be taken up in paying off this debt.
Your team is withering away and your manager appears to be signing unknowns in desperation of trying to get results and as a result you are sliding further and further down the league table.
So what does all this mean?
In 5 years time (hopefully if you manage to build it) you will be playing in a smaller, more suitable ground not much bigger tahn the Northolme. Your attendances will have dwindelled due to lack of squad investment and a move out of town leaving you with less income yet still huge amounts to pay out in finance. The road to the big time begins to look more and more bleak and you begin to feed on every scrap of success you can get.
It hurts I know, as a trinity fan looking at clubs around us getting success isnt nice but in the end you have to take stock and realise its not where you have come from that is important but where you are going.
Boston need to ditch the "big club" attitude and realise that the sooner they start thinking "Tinpot" the sooner they WILL begin to make the climb back to where you feel you belong
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enjoy it while you can. You will never be a bigger club than United
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Anybody with money can turn up and make a horrible little club at this level a top side. This however doesn't stop them being a horrible little club
A horrible little club?
What makes you class Trinity as horrible? No other club has a gripe with us.
We admit we have a chairman who spends his money but it is that, his money. If he wishes to waste it on our little club that his choice. We also know he will leaveone day, again that will be his choice but as a football club we will owe nothing to anyone.
On the other hand you could define a horrible club as one which buys success with the money of the tax payer and local businesses.
On the other hand you could define a horrible little club as one wh
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Sorry to have to say this but I find myself agreeing with Stanrats 10.33 post, well almost all of it. Smaller ground outside of town - yes. Financial side - yes. Performance of current manager - yes. Smaller attendances due to current performances -yes.
He failed to mention being unable to keep key players for whatever reasons.
As for the big club attitude, nothing wrong with that, but I fear that may alter with a change of location in time.
We do have a great stadium at this level which encourages the big club attitude but unfortunately the supporter is not being rewarded by the manager or players hes bringing in.
We cannot however criticise Mr Newton whatever he achieves for the club because without his intervention most of us would be travelling North or South 15 miles to see football, or even down Tattershall Road.
I hope for better.
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The way it seems from a Trinity fan looking into Boston is as follows:
Boston are now no more than an average BSN club playing in a ground which they do not own, pay extortionate rent on and are struggling to maintain. I believe youhave 5 years left on the lease and are then looking to move to a ground you would ultimately own.
So what will the new ground be like? Well unless you suddenly get an investor with 10 times the spending power of Peter Swann I dont forsee your new ground being much more than the one he anticipated building for Trinity. So we are therefor talking a 4000-5000 capacity with only the required number of seats to make the ground grading criteria installed.
The ground will be out of town and you will therefore lose the "nothing else to do crowd" that may attend on a Saturday.
The ground will need to be financed and whilst your chairman istrying to source funding and partnerships some of the costs will have to come from the football club. Some of your operating revenue will therefore be taken up in paying off this debt.
Your team is withering away and your manager appears to be signing unknowns in desperation of trying to get results and as a result you are sliding further and further down the league table.
So what does all this mean?
In 5 years time (hopefully if you manage to build it) you will be playing in a smaller, more suitable ground not much bigger tahn the Northolme. Your attendances will have dwindelled due to lack of squad investment and a move out of town leaving you with less income yet still huge amounts to pay out in finance. The road to the big time begins to look more and more bleak and you begin to feed on every scrap of success you can get.
It hurts I know, as a trinity fan looking at clubs around us getting success isnt nice but in the end you have to take stock and realise its not where you have come from that is important but where you are going.
Boston need to ditch the "big club" attitude and realise that the sooner they start thinking "Tinpot" the sooner they WILL begin to make the climb back to where you feel you belong
Thanks for taking the time talk about our club, AGAIN. Starting to think Trinity are obsessed with us. In fact most of your baseless claims were a cynical attempt to justify your own ill thought out business plan.
The way it seems to a Boston fan looking in on your club is that you are spending well beyond your means, have had Little to no success despite it, but still spend the majority of your time bragging to Boston and Lincoln fans that you are the future of the county. When your big spending finally yields some success with an achievement of note, your fans come out "in their masses" and swell the home support to 1100.... Wow! All that investment has really paid off, you are making giant strides!!
Gainsborough is a small town which will never be able to support a club much higher than where you are now. If Anything proves that poiny it was the attendance yesterday, which was a golden opportunity for the people of Gainsborough to step up and show their support. They failed miserably. Ask yourselves this, had the roles been reversed, what kind of support do you think Boston would of had? The minute Mr Swann withdraws his financial backing you will freefall back to where you are now. you are the equivent of an economic bubble, your value has been falsely inflated and will eventually burst and find its true value.
What ever you say about the Evans era is fine. In my opinion it's below the belt though as you won't find many, if any pilgrims fans who are not ashamed of it. One thing you can't deny though is the way the Boston public supported their club during that period and in the years following. When you look at what this club has been through over the last few years the fact we still regularly get double your crowds and exceed some of those in the Conference Prem must "hurt" you and tells me we are still a massive club at this level. This club still has bags of potential, much more than yours, and when the correct formula is found we will be back on track.
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So whats your point?
I said in my post did I not that Boston WILL begin to achieve and climb the ladder in the future?
I have also openly stated we rely heavily on Peter Swann.
He has however said that his aim is to make Trinity self sufficient in the future and that in the mean time he will fund the club so that he is able to heighten the profile and attract more investment through sponsorship etc. Can this be achieved, only the future will tell. One thing is for sure however, Trinity will be no worse off as a consequence and we the fans will have some good memories which we otherwise probably wouldnt have had.
I also agree that not many fans of boston are not ashamed of the past. The fact remains however the period which the regime in question were in charge resulted in prosperity and achievements which probably wouldnt have happened otherwise. It was success built on cheating the system. In my opinion a club cheating the system in the way boston did is no different to the way lance armstrong cheated the system and like him had the regime at boston not been caught they would never have admitted it.
Lance has had his achievements stripped from his record yet your club and its supporters seem keen to publicise the success during the period. cake and eating it springs to mind.
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Sorry to have to say this but I find myself agreeing with Stanrats 10.33 post, well almost all of it. Smaller ground outside of town - yes. Financial side - yes. Performance of current manager - yes. Smaller attendances due to current performances -yes.
He failed to mention being unable to keep key players for whatever reasons.
As for the big club attitude, nothing wrong with that, but I fear that may alter with a change of location in time.
We do have a great stadium at this level which encourages the big club attitude but unfortunately the supporter is not being rewarded by the manager or players hes bringing in.
We cannot however criticise Mr Newton whatever he achieves for the club because without his intervention most of us would be travelling North or South 15 miles to see football, or even down Tattershall Road.
I hope for better.
At least you have the ability to view the bigger picture and accept that the future of your club will probably be alot different.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feLYScItHMo
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define bigger and better?
Very difficult !!
Boston have a great non-league stadium but the cost is a millstone . The club cannot afford to stop there AND pay top wages . A move and a settling in period will define how big a club we are .
Trinity ? Not so clear cut . Like us revolves around your ground issue.
To sell or not to sell is the first step , where do you stand on this Stan ?
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Agreed defining bigger and better is difficult.
I cant be based on past achievement alone as that would give reason to suggestion that sheffield wednesdays 4 league titles makes them bigger than man city with 2 or Nottingham Forests 2 Euro champions cups making them bigger than all English clubs bar Liverpool and Man Utd and we all know that not to be true.
Average attendance could also be a key factor but that is also attributed to past glories dependant on how recent. It is also dependant on local population and proximity of other football clubs further up the league pyramid.
Personally I would put it down to 2 things:
1. the ability to draw investment from outside of the club in the form of sponsorship etc
2. recent results taking into account standard of opposition.
I would say Boston are definately attracting more investment from outside of the club. This is helped by having Craig working full time heightening the profile of the club. This is something Trinity could learn, and are learningfrom.
Recent results if we are brutally honest have to favour Trinity. It has been nearly 6 seasons since Boston were relegated form the football league and kicked out of the conference. They did well to return as quickly as they did but since then they have stalled. Trinity have however, using the money ploughed in by their chairman, finally built a team who are pushing for the play offs for a 2nd successive season and narrowly missed out on a trophy final place.
I would conclude therefore that in terms of current stature outside of the immediate locality of either club, that Gainsborough and Boston are currently seen as on a par by those who keep an eye on the non league game. You may agree you may disagree but that is me trying to look at things objectively rose tinted glasses removed.
With regards to your comments about grounds Boston currently pay a huge sum for use of York Street and this is preventing them from moving forward. That situation will no doubt ease with the building of a new ground but that in itself will bring about other debts. Trinity are in a difficult situation. The ground is owned by the supporters club and as such pay only a small amount in rent by comparison (10k as opposed to your 70k). We are however not receiving any revenue from match day refreshment. The snack bar profits and those from the bar go into the supporters club coffers and not those of the club. This is the main reson for Peter Swann wanting to buy the ground, so the club can generate the additional revenue for themselves.
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Did Trinity really only attract 1200 fans today? Seriously??
They really are shit, aren't they?
"1,193 home/neutral/away in home areas and 844 away"
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I would of thought the supporters trust should have some sort of a nice little cash chest with taking the refreshments,ground rent and the blues bar.
These are there to prectect the long term of the club and whiles mr swann is allowing trinity to enjoy its best years one day this will stop(That aint a dig or owt just money will always end). at this time i thought the set up of the trust was to take over and them already owning the ground would place you in a better posistion than Swann owning it.
Just a opinion
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Bostonshire,
You mistake the supporters club with a supporters trust.
The supporters club was originally set up to raise money for the football club at a time when the football club were struggling financially. It was agreed at a later date that the supporters club should buy the ground as they were in a better long term position.
They are merely a members club and as with many of that ilk are currently struggling to turn a profit in the current climate. They are also not in a position to support the club financially. All money made by the supporters club on matchdays goes directly into paying their running costs and not those of the football club. This is why Peter Swann is trying to buy the ground for the football club.
There is no mandate in the supporters club that states they must pay x% of profit to the football club or even one that states they need to support the football club in any way.
Its what is known as a f***ing mess.
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I get ya my mistake i had got the trust and supporters club on the same level
sorry bout that
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Bigger question is. Why do we care about trinity or there ground or who owns it
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Because Big M some of your fellow supporters have more than 1 brain cell and are able to engage in sensible conversation
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Personal insults thats a real sign of intelligence. I have not been personal toward you. So if your going to be nasty please go back to your own forum
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Did Trinity really only attract 1200 fans today? Seriously??
They really are shit, aren't they?
"1,193 home/neutral/away in home areas and 844 away"
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Minus 844 away fans = ?
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Whiles i support Boston i also support football in lincolnshire as a whole. Yes they are a rival which i hope Boston win everytime they play but as a club i wish them long term stability as i do every other club up and down the country and engaging with fans on there team,club etc is all part of that.
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It was a good effort steelihat. Although I respect your opinion bostonshire I don't totally agree. On here I wanna talk about what Boston's doing. Not bothered about Gainsborough they have there own forum it's not my fault if there is nobody on it to talk to
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Did Trinity really only attract 1200 fans today? Seriously??
They really are shit, aren't they?
"1,193 home/neutral/away in home areas and 844 away"
3307
Minus 844 away fans = ?
Wrexham site has attendance of 2037, with 844 away...
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It was a good effort steelihat. Although I respect your opinion bostonshire I don't totally agree. On here I wanna talk about what Boston's doing. Not bothered about Gainsborough they have there own forum it's not my fault if there is nobody on it to talk to
What is the title of this thread?
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Bostonshire,
You mistake the supporters club with a supporters trust.
The supporters club was originally set up to raise money for the football club at a time when the football club were struggling financially. It was agreed at a later date that the supporters club should buy the ground as they were in a better long term position.
They are merely a members club and as with many of that ilk are currently struggling to turn a profit in the current climate. They are also not in a position to support the club financially. All money made by the supporters club on matchdays goes directly into paying their running costs and not those of the football club. This is why Peter Swann is trying to buy the ground for the football club.
There is no mandate in the supporters club that states they must pay x% of profit to the football club or even one that states they need to support the football club in any way.
Its what is known as a f***ing mess.
To be fair if they provide you with a ground for 10k a year thats not bad support . Who pays rates ,ground maintainace etc ?
Shame to lose the ground to private ownership if it can be avoided .
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It was a good effort steelihat. Although I respect your opinion bostonshire I don't totally agree. On here I wanna talk about what Boston's doing. Not bothered about Gainsborough they have there own forum it's not my fault if there is nobody on it to talk to
What is the title of this thread?
It was n40s poking fun at your boss. It has no mention of grounds or attendance.
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Anybody know if Peter Swann has any intention of developing or selling the ground to a third party once he gets ownership of it and GT has their shiny new ground? Also, do GT get any of the profits of any such development, as Northolme must be worth a few bob...?! :-[
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Anybody know if Peter Swann has any intention of developing or selling the ground to a third party once he gets ownership of it and GT has their shiny new ground? Also, do GT get any of the profits of any such development, as Northolme must be worth a few bob...?! :-[
Sadly you do not know the answers until it is too late argieh .
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Anybody know if Peter Swann has any intention of developing or selling the ground to a third party once he gets ownership of it and GT has their shiny new ground? Also, do GT get any of the profits of any such development, as Northolme must be worth a few bob...?! :-[
Sadly you do not know the answers until it is too late argieh .
I believe from what i read that when he buys it they was going to improve it and give the ground to Gainsborough Trinity Fc. Or to narrow it down buy it then donate it
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Anybody know if Peter Swann has any intention of developing or selling the ground to a third party once he gets ownership of it and GT has their shiny new ground? Also, do GT get any of the profits of any such development, as Northolme must be worth a few bob...?! :-[
Sadly you do not know the answers until it is too late argieh .
I believe from what i read that when he buys it they was going to improve it and give the ground to Gainsborough Trinity Fc. Or to narrow it down buy it then donate it
Thought I read somewhere that he was in talks with the local council about building a football/sports complex in the grounds of the local secondary school and transferring the football club there? This would leave Northolme free for potential development, or is this idea now shelved?
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think it all went tits up, dont know why
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think it all went tits up, dont know why
As with all "good" local councils they were putting obstacles in the way. Everytime Peter found an answer to one they found something else they wanted him to pay for. In the end his health deteriated and he was unwilling to keep fighting the council.
He now wants to buy the northolme and has promised to invest 1million on redevelopment. He has also stated he is willing to sign any clause preventing him from selling the round from under the football clubs feet.
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think it all went tits up, dont know why
As with all "good" local councils they were putting obstacles in the way. Everytime Peter found an answer to one they found something else they wanted him to pay for. In the end his health deteriated and he was unwilling to keep fighting the council.
He now wants to buy the northolme and has promised to invest 1million on redevelopment. He has also stated he is willing to sign any clause preventing him from selling the round from under the football clubs feet.
Same excuse as Sotnic and co used at Boston . Councils don,t put "obstacles " in the way , they just make developers adhere to building regulations and make sure a development does not adversly effect the surounding area .
Some football club owners seem to think they should be exempt trom normal rules .
According to the press Mr Swan never submitted a planning application .
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I think the council were using regulations to try and force swanny to pay for things they didnt have the funding for, things that should have been done years ago.
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Do you know what any of them was stanrat?
As i know as part of planning approval most councils do want things in return such as a small contribution to there own projects or other works that need to be done. It seems to be the norm now and to a point a agree with it unless its asking stupied amounts of money.
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A council cannot by law make you pay or do anything that's outside building AMD traffic regulations. If you think you have a case you can go over there heads
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To be honest I think with Peters health issues the best way forward now would be for him to buy and renovate the Northolme.
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These are parts of the amended acts (march 2012)
I copied and pasted parts of them due to it been 22 pages long.
While it is expected that the planning authority should ensure that developers make an appropriate contribution towards the costs of public infrastructure and facilities, the local authority should take care to avoid development
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2. Special Development Contributions
A special development contribution may be imposed under section 48 where exceptional costs not covered by the general contribution scheme are incurred by a local authority in the provision of a specific public infrastructure or facility. The particular works should be specified in the condition. Only developments that will benefit from the public infrastructure or facility in question should be liable to pay the levy.
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4. Enforcing Development Contribution Conditions
Where developers fail to pay development contributions in accordance with the conditions of their permission, the burden of funding public infrastructure and facilities falls more heavily on those who do comply. In the interests of ensuring a fair development contribution system, authorities should put in place mechanisms to ensure that contributions are paid as required.
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The following is a list of what the councils can levy for (changes for each area but this is for lincolnshire)
Affordable Housing Provision/Contributions
Transport Contributions
Waste Management and Recycling Contributions
Flood Risk Management Contributions
Open Space, Sport and Recreational Provision/Contributions
Public Realm and Community Contributions
Healthcare Contributions
Community Facility Contributions
Education Contributions
Library Contributions
Adult Social Care and Day-Care Provisions for Adults.
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Thanks bostonshire that's cleared that up