Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: amberarmy on July 24, 2012, 11:08:05 AM
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hi all
the debate about the impact of foreign nationals goes on and there will always be both positive and negative views of having them here
i've noticed on another thread there is differing views concerning a recent incident involving (allegedly) a foreign national so i've decided to begin recording the figures of all the court cases dealt with by boston magistrates and reported in the boston standard and/or the boston target
i will not be recording anyone who's been referred to lincoln crown court
so starting from last weeks papers (wednesday july 18th 2012)
there were 5 crimes committed by foreign nationals all of which were men
there were 4 crimes by locals/brits of which two were men and two were women
foreign crimes = 55.5%
locals crimes = 45.5%
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hi all
the debate about the impact of foreign nationals goes on and there will always be both positive and negative views of having them here
i've noticed on another thread there is differing views concerning a recent incident involving (allegedly) a foreign national so i've decided to begin recording the figures of all the court cases dealt with by boston magistrates and reported in the boston standard and/or the boston target
i will not be recording anyone who's been referred to lincoln crown court
so starting from last weeks papers (wednesday july 18th 2012)
there were 5 crimes committed by foreign nationals all of which were men
there were 4 crimes by locals/brits of which two were men and two were women
foreign crimes = 55.5%
locals crimes = 45.5%
On the latest official figures it shows that Boston's population has increased by 15.8% since the 2001 census. We all agree that the majority of this rise is by migrant workers. So on the working out above 55.5% of crimes is being committed by 15.8% of the population of Boston. I rest my case
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hi all
the debate about the impact of foreign nationals goes on and there will always be both positive and negative views of having them here
i've noticed on another thread there is differing views concerning a recent incident involving (allegedly) a foreign national so i've decided to begin recording the figures of all the court cases dealt with by boston magistrates and reported in the boston standard and/or the boston target
i will not be recording anyone who's been referred to lincoln crown court
so starting from last weeks papers (wednesday july 18th 2012)
there were 5 crimes committed by foreign nationals all of which were men
there were 4 crimes by locals/brits of which two were men and two were women
foreign crimes = 55.5%
locals crimes = 45.5%
On the latest official figures it shows that Boston's population has increased by 15.8% since the 2001 census. We all agree that the majority of this rise is by migrant workers. So on the working out above 55.5% of crimes is being committed by 15.8% of the population of Boston. I rest my case
i think its a bit early to start analysing the stats - give it three months and perhaps a clearer picture may emerge
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Maybe the "foreign nationals" are just rubbish criminals and keep getting caught (unlike the locals) ?
Anyway Amber what do you propose doing with all this criminality? You yourself are an "incomer" / "stranger" so should we be suspicious of you? Or do you consider yourself a naturalised Boston inbred?
More worrying is that you chose to move to Boston when most people are trying to escape! xxxxx :bunny
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I might be wrong but I have always been under the impression that not all crimes are reported in the local press?
Its also worth noting that two recent deaths have occured due to attacks committed by English nationals on foreign nationals. I certainly dont think the issue is as black and white as some would have you believe. I also think its unfair to simply brand all foreign nationals as criminals. In many cases it is foreign nationals themselves that are victims of the crimes perpertrated by other foreign nationals. I suspect that all crime in the town is being committed by a smaller percentage than 15% and the issue is a concern for the vast majority of the population - English and foreign.
It would certainly be interesting to see some credible statistics.
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Good post Maxross! Not all foreigners are bad.Luckily I live next to a polish family who are law abiding and polite.
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KON,
Would they be the Johnsons of Johnson and Johnson by any chance?
Uncle Scouse ;)
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I might be wrong but I have always been under the impression that not all crimes are reported in the local press?
Its also worth noting that two recent deaths have occured due to attacks committed by English nationals on foreign nationals. I certainly dont think the issue is as black and white as some would have you believe. I also think its unfair to simply brand all foreign nationals as criminals. In many cases it is foreign nationals themselves that are victims of the crimes perpertrated by other foreign nationals. I suspect that all crime in the town is being committed by a smaller percentage than 15% and the issue is a concern for the vast majority of the population - English and foreign.
It would certainly be interesting to see some credible statistics.
i never claimed the figures will tell all the facts people may wish to know before forming an opinion
think of it more as a guide
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Maybe the "foreign nationals" are just rubbish criminals and keep getting caught (unlike the locals) ?
Anyway Amber what do you propose doing with all this criminality? You yourself are an "incomer" / "stranger" so should we be suspicious of you? Or do you consider yourself a naturalised Boston inbred?
More worrying is that you chose to move to Boston when most people are trying to escape! xxxxx :bunny
what are you wittering on about?
if you look closely i did say the figures for locals/BRITS
i've never claimed either that i am a born and bred bostonian although i think the fact i've been here since i was 5 years old (i'm 40 now by the way ;D) entitles me to some sort of view on things whether you agree with it or not
by the way......i arrived in boston in 1976......i don't seem to remember many trying to leave as we arrived???????
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I might be wrong but I have always been under the impression that not all crimes are reported in the local press?
Its also worth noting that two recent deaths have occured due to attacks committed by English nationals on foreign nationals. I certainly dont think the issue is as black and white as some would have you believe. I also think its unfair to simply brand all foreign nationals as criminals. In many cases it is foreign nationals themselves that are victims of the crimes perpertrated by other foreign nationals. I suspect that all crime in the town is being committed by a smaller percentage than 15% and the issue is a concern for the vast majority of the population - English and foreign.
It would certainly be interesting to see some credible statistics.
i never claimed the figures will tell all the facts people may wish to know before forming an opinion
think of it more as a guide
No disrespect intended Amber Army, its just that the "guide" is open to manipulation of the editors of the newspapers. They may be pro or anti immigration and thus manipulating the content to suit their agenda.
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...also ignoring Lincoln crown court means that you'll only gather information about the most minor cases? For example this week, you'll make note of the woman who got sozzled and fell asleep on her employer's settee but ignore the death by dangerous driving incident?
How are you judging "foreign" - purely on their name? I went to school with two lads who had a Polish father and hence surname - where do they fit in the Amber Army scale of "foreignness"?
Utter jingoistic tosh.
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The biggest known criminal connected with Boston was non English Ferret! ;D
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Which one?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Strangler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Strangler)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Evans_%28footballer_born_1962%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Evans_%28footballer_born_1962%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Pomeroy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Pomeroy)
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update including this weeks papers
there have been 7 crimes involving foreign nationals all of which were by men
there have been 7 crimes from locals/brits of which five were by men and two by women
foreign crimes = 50%
locals crimes = 50%
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...also ignoring Lincoln crown court means that you'll only gather information about the most minor cases? For example this week, you'll make note of the woman who got sozzled and fell asleep on her employer's settee but ignore the death by dangerous driving incident?
How are you judging "foreign" - purely on their name? I went to school with two lads who had a Polish father and hence surname - where do they fit in the Amber Army scale of "foreignness"?
Utter jingoistic tosh.
its not always easy to determine whether a case at lincoln crown court would have originally been deliberated by our own magistrates
besides it seems most people are concerned with the general impact from anti social behaviour,theft,driving offences and drunkeness - the majority of which are usually dealt with by local magistrates
before anyone else wants to have a go just accept i'm simply supplying the facts based on the specified criteria and leave the debate open to those who wish to establish a view based on the info i give
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if anyone is able to get a more detailed figure of the number of crimes by foreign nationals (ie:- freedom of info act) then i'm sure that info would be much welcomed on here and generally throughout the whole of boston
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Would our MP give us the statistics amberarmy ? no I don,t think so .!!
From a certain conversation I had a while ago I think many would be taken aback by
the cost of interpreters required by police and courts .
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Would our MP give us the statistics amberarmy ? no I don,t think so .!!
From a certain conversation I had a while ago I think many would be taken aback by
the cost of interpreters required by police and courts .
not sure what exactly is available under the freedom of info act but if thiese figures are then our MP wouldn't be able to stop it
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Would our MP give us the statistics amberarmy ? no I don,t think so .!!
From a certain conversation I had a while ago I think many would be taken aback by
the cost of interpreters required by police and courts .
What about the cost of the lazy homegrown gits who do no work at school, have no academic or vocational qualifications, and sponge off the state for the rest of their lives........ :)
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if anyone is able to get a more detailed figure of the number of crimes by foreign nationals (ie:- freedom of info act) then i'm sure that info would be much welcomed on here and generally throughout the whole of boston
Why don't you write to the Home Office laddie quoting your BNP membership number?
I imagine one reason for some crime carried out by some Continental European folk is explained (though not justified) by the warm welcome and tolerance I am sure Amberarmy and his uber disciples extend to them all when they arrive in these parts. They probably get a bit naffed off, lose respect and decide that the law of the land is not for them....... :)
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We have to face it, they are here to stay.
I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with, is people who say there is no problem.
We are a little market town and we are not able to cope with the big influx.
Anyone who has an opinion on the subject is branded a racist.
We can not take the head in the sand attitude, there is a problem and 1.7 million households did not send their census form back. 37% East Midland households did not send them back. So how many live in houses of mutiple occupation?
With an increase of 15.7% in Boston ( official ) and no extra money to pay for our already over- stretched services it is no wonder people take a dim view on migrant workers.
This may sound a bit extreme, but if all migrant workers were made to carry their passport, then asked to show it on demand. I would think in no time all migrants that are here illegally would be identifyed. Then the home office then could take action against these people.
I have no objection to anyone willing to work and create a better life for them and their families. It is the people that have come here illegally and rob innocent people that I object to.
I will wait for the replies with interest, but what I say is correct, perhaps the the way I want to remedy it may be a bit extreme.
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I am sure you manage if it was a big influx of say Yorkshiremen?
You may have heard of the EU and the free movement of labour (which is an economic benefit) perhaps?
If your own personal taste is bothered how about moving to Latvia or join the many Englsih criminals in the south of Spain. xxxx :-*
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I agree with the opinion of the majority of immigrants who are here , send those back that let their fellow countrymen down .
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I am sure you manage if it was a big influx of say Yorkshiremen?
You may have heard of the EU and the free movement of labour (which is an economic benefit) perhaps?
If your own personal taste is bothered how about moving to Latvia or join the many Englsih criminals in the south of Spain. xxxx :-*
Is that why you moved away Mark? did the sweaty grape crushing feet of the Boston vineyards upset your delicate palate. Personally, a 15.7% influx of Yorkshiremen in Boston would send shivers down my spine eeehbygum ;)
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For once in my life, wash my mouth out with carbolic, I tend to agree with Rooster. How many ex pat Brits are there. I for one will move, quite freely, abroad as soon as is right for me.
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I could understand some of our friends on here getting upset about one particular town. It has a population of 23,000, but only 5000 of these are local, the other 18000 consist of 15000 expat Brits and the other 3000 are an assortment of Germans, French and Italians. It is of course in Spain.
I often wonder about people who go on about foreigners, do they ever think from which influx of immigrants who have come to these shores over the centuries, they are descended from?
Such a rich mix to choose from, the Celts from Brittany and Spain, The Romans who ousted them, themselves a mixture of Southern , Northern and Eastern Europeans, Black North Africans, Middle Eastern boatmen. Then of course the Anglo Saxons, but hey, they were from Northen Germany. Lets not forget all those marauding Vikings and Danes, and damn me, they were defeated by all those pesky Normans, from Normandy you know, part French, part Norsemen.
So which group would you like to be descended from? One thing is certain, we are all descended from immigrants, like it or not.
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Why don't you write to the Home Office laddie quoting your BNP membership number?
has our society really got to the point where contentious issues like this cannot be debated in an open minded manner without some public schoolboy jumping on the racist bandwagon
maybe thats why the levels of immigration have grown beyond our management because those who doubted it were too scared to speak up
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Very very true >:(
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My apologies I thought we were debating the topic of prejudice.
Please continue and give your reasons for your thoughts on "foreign nationals".
Who are these people?
Why do you have issues with them (are they stealing your women and diluting your culture or just making the queues too long in Poundland)?
Are there any other swathes of humanity that you would wish to banish from your pure race Island nation?
Do you consider that Hitler had a few sensible ideas?
Is it fair to make undereducated Bostonians mix with highly motivated people from the EU who leave their homeland in order to further themselves?
Do you believe that some cultures are superior to others?
Do you understand what the word "prejudice" signifies.
(For the record I attended a state grammar school)
:) :bunny
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The people who come here to work and contribute to the economy are fine.
The problem is those who come to sponge off the state, and the criminal element who are looking for easy pickings, not just in Boston, but the country as a whole.
TV highlighted a Romanian pickpocket gang recently who were coming for the Olympics, with the sole intention of committing crimes.
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What about the people who are already here (by dint of being born here) who sponge off the state?
I can assure you that Romanian pickpockets are the least of our worries when it comes to Olympic related crime! I think you will find that lots of people will look to exploit the Olympics irrespective of which country is hosting it. :bunny
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I live in a country where the native population are outnumbered by about 6:1.
It's obviously a very contentious issue.
The government's immigration policy is simple, you enter the country with either a tourist visa or a residency visa, only obtainable when you have a job. When that job no longer exists for you, you have to leave.
The system has its merits for sure.
Though does not stop racism etc, but all immigrants make a positive contribution to the economy.
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My apologies I thought we were debating the topic of prejudice.
Please continue and give your reasons for your thoughts on "foreign nationals".
Who are these people?
Why do you have issues with them (are they stealing your women and diluting your culture or just making the queues too long in Poundland)?
Are there any other swathes of humanity that you would wish to banish from your pure race Island nation?
Do you consider that Hitler had a few sensible ideas?
Is it fair to make undereducated Bostonians mix with highly motivated people from the EU who leave their homeland in order to further themselves?
Do you believe that some cultures are superior to others?
Do you understand what the word "prejudice" signifies.
(For the record I attended a state grammar school)
:) :bunny
i'm well aware of your grammar school education.......just waited for you to bite on that one :P
banish is a strong term to use and also an incorrect response to what some are trying to say
yes we all accept (some reluctantly) that whilst we remain part of the EU these foreign nationals are going to keep coming here
however i think what most people want is controlled numbers of who are entering,measures to ensure they are self sufficient,no previous criminal convictions and extra government funding to help boost the number of hospital beds/school places etc. etc.
as for the feckless lazy gits of our own that sponge off our system then i won't argue with you on that - however i don't think you'll ever convince me that our local economy would suffer due to lack of labour if they went home
agricultural towns like ours have been surviving generations after generations on local people sweating blood and tears to make sure the country had fresh vegetables on their plate
the only difference now is that to enjoy a reasonable standard of living they would need to demand more pay due to the high cost of living in this country
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My apologies I thought we were debating the topic of prejudice.
Please continue and give your reasons for your thoughts on "foreign nationals".
Who are these people?
Why do you have issues with them (are they stealing your women and diluting your culture or just making the queues too long in Poundland)?
Are there any other swathes of humanity that you would wish to banish from your pure race Island nation?
Do you consider that Hitler had a few sensible ideas?
Is it fair to make undereducated Bostonians mix with highly motivated people from the EU who leave their homeland in order to further themselves?
Do you believe that some cultures are superior to others?
Do you understand what the word "prejudice" signifies.
(For the record I attended a state grammar school)
:) :bunny
i'm well aware of your grammar school education.......just waited for you to bite on that one :P
banish is a strong term to use and also an incorrect response to what some are trying to say
yes we all accept (some reluctantly) that whilst we remain part of the EU these foreign nationals are going to keep coming here
however i think what most people want is controlled numbers of who are entering,measures to ensure they are self sufficient,no previous criminal convictions and extra government funding to help boost the number of hospital beds/school places etc. etc.
as for the feckless lazy gits of our own that sponge off our system then i won't argue with you on that - however i don't think you'll ever convince me that our local economy would suffer due to lack of labour if they went home
agricultural towns like ours have been surviving generations after generations on local people sweating blood and tears to make sure the country had fresh vegetables on their plate
the only difference now is that to enjoy a reasonable standard of living they would need to demand more pay due to the high cost of living in this country
You also have to remeber as an Oldrids Shareholder Mark wants nothing more than lower wage costs to keep his dividends high, the influx of immigrants helps do this hence is overt support for more imigrants to keep the local populace /oiks in their place on lower wages !
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word has it that when blocbusters on west street shuts it will re-open as another eastern european grocery store
would such high numbers of foreign shops,takeaways and restaurants make boston uninvestable to more familiar high street names
another talking point perhaps ???
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I think the main thing that riles me is the way our little town has changed over the years.
Being dragged up in Boston during the 50's and the 60's I have first hand knowledge of the changes ( not always good ) to our little market town.
Perhaps the town centre now resembling the centre of Prague, Warsaw or Moscow, twangs the nostalgia strings.
Over the years various councils and planners have decimated our heritage. My pet hate being the scar that is John Adams way, that has split the town down the middle.
I yearn for the typical Saturdays of my youth. Morning spent at the leo Saturday club at the old Odeon cinema. Then down west st to Jimmy Ward for a Sarsaparilla ( I think this is correct spelling). Then home for fish and chips ( dad owned a chip shop ) then join another 2,000 souls down Shoddy's Lane.
I yearn for Sharpes fruit and veg delivery via horse and cart. I yearn for collecting coke from the gas works in an old pram. I yearn for the caffs that seemed to be on every street corner, Rosies caff, Spic and Span, Cherry corner , The beacon and even Tony's caff. I yearn for the livestock market on a Wednesday. I yearn for the pop factory. I even yearn for old Sargent Flynn the bobby who used to clip me around the ear. Saturday nights at the best venue in the country ( The Glider ).
I am not racist, but I think something as to be done to stem the flow of migrant workers, this town is not big enough, that is a fact.
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Dipy what was the Royal Mail service like in those days ?
Has it improved with the likes of KON?
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When I joined " The post office " in 1974 they had just stopped morning inspection, every postie had to line up to make sure they were in uniform to meet the public. One postie got sent home for wearing brown shoes. I do not know what the inspector would of made of KON's legs ;) ;)
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I think the main thing that riles me is the way our little town has changed over the years.
Being dragged up in Boston during the 50's and the 60's I have first hand knowledge of the changes ( not always good ) to our little market town.
Perhaps the town centre now resembling the centre of Prague, Warsaw or Moscow, twangs the nostalgia strings.
Over the years various councils and planners have decimated our heritage. My pet hate being the scar that is John Adams way, that has split the town down the middle.
I yearn for the typical Saturdays of my youth. Morning spent at the leo Saturday club at the old Odeon cinema. Then down west st to Jimmy Ward for a Sarsaparilla ( I think this is correct spelling). Then home for fish and chips ( dad owned a chip shop ) then join another 2,000 souls down Shoddy's Lane.
I yearn for Sharpes fruit and veg delivery via horse and cart. I yearn for collecting coke from the gas works in an old pram. I yearn for the caffs that seemed to be on every street corner, Rosies caff, Spic and Span, Cherry corner , The beacon and even Tony's caff. I yearn for the livestock market on a Wednesday. I yearn for the pop factory. I even yearn for old Sargent Flynn the bobby who used to clip me around the ear. Saturday nights at the best venue in the country ( The Glider ).
I am not racist, but I think something as to be done to stem the flow of migrant workers, this town is not big enough, that is a fact.
again some would argue that times change and as such our way of life needs to accept the changes going on around it
for years we have been largely british communities and now we are having to learn to adapt to foreign cultures invading our 'british society'
and that is where division is happening - there are those willing to accept it and embrace it and there are those who wish to remain 'british' rather than become a multi-cultural community
not sure if either side of the arguement is the correct view but with the amount of discontent within the 'british' people then those in power do need to somehow strike a happy medium that suits all and allow us to unite our communities once again
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I recently read a piece by an author who upholds your views AA. He bemoaned the fact that strangers appeared to have taken over his beloved country, had strange customs and ate strange foods, were depriving the indigenous population of their jobs and were taking their land. The author was the Venerable Bede putting his thoughts onto parchment in the Anglo Saxon chronicles, moaning about the Normans. Nothing changes.
See my previous post and define "British". What particular influx of "immigrants" do you think you are decended from.
As I have mentioned before, perhaps the Spanish think the same about Fred's Fish and Chips, Chardonnay's Beauty Salon, Alf and Betty's " British" Pub etc, on the Costa Del Sol, or is that different.
Do you know the 5th largest French city? No? Well it's London, 500,000 Frenchies in London. They must be taking quite a few jobs from the locals. Send them back?
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See my previous post and define "British". What particular influx of "immigrants" do you think you are decended from.
i dare say if i were able to trace my family tree back through history then its quite likely i may have descended from germans/norwegians/french/irish or maybe some other major race that have impacted on our green and pleasant land
however 'british' can only be defined as to what each individual sees it as
some may see it as stiff upper lip/afternoon tea/god save the queen and blighty whilst others embrace the changing face of our communities and our country and may see 'britsh' as those who have settled and contributed to our ever changing society
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Whether it be British, Polish, Russian or Martian the fact is the crime rate and nature of crime is becoming a problem in Boston.
Perhaps we could have a Polish or Russian officer on the beat.
Perhaps with the dire lack of funding we are lucky to have any officer on the beat.
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Bede must have had phenomenal foresight since he pre-dated the coming of the Normans by more than three hundred years. However, he did have a few unfortunate experiences with vikings and southern Saxons.
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Apologies, you are right, it was another scribe who commited his thoughts to parchment. Getting my Bedes, Landfrancs, Ethelreds, Edreds and Wulfwys all mixed up. It's my age you know. ;D
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We have to face it, they are here to stay.
I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with, is people who say there is no problem.
We are a little market town and we are not able to cope with the big influx.
Anyone who has an opinion on the subject is branded a racist.
We can not take the head in the sand attitude, there is a problem and 1.7 million households did not send their census form back. 37% East Midland households did not send them back. So how many live in houses of mutiple occupation?
With an increase of 15.7% in Boston ( official ) and no extra money to pay for our already over- stretched services it is no wonder people take a dim view on migrant workers.
This may sound a bit extreme, but if all migrant workers were made to carry their passport, then asked to show it on demand. I would think in no time all migrants that are here illegally would be identifyed. Then the home office then could take action against these people.
I have no objection to anyone willing to work and create a better life for them and their families. It is the people that have come here illegally and rob innocent people that I object to.
I will wait for the replies with interest, but what I say is correct, perhaps the the way I want to remedy it may be a bit extreme.
Public services being stretched isn't the fault of immigrants. They pay their taxes and thus there should be money to expand provision in proportion to the local population - if this doesn't happen it's the fault of bureaucrats. You could put a blue ribbon on a pig in Boston and it would win an election - there's absolutely no incentive for a politician to argue for the area to get an increased share of the cake so I suspect this 'problem' will never be resolved. I use quote marks as I'm unsure if, on balance there is actually a problem... e.g. wasn't there something a while ago about how the Pilgrim's maternity ward wouldn't now be justifiable if it wasn't for the fertility rates of Eastern Europeans?
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update
there have been 10 crimes involving foreign nationals all of which were by men
there have been 10 crimes from locals/brits of which eight were by men and two by women
foreign crimes = 50%
locals crimes = 50%
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Is this a sweep? :bunny
My money on johny foreigner.
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Has this academic study been abandoned or are the stats going the wrong way?
Here's one "foreigner" who's making the crime news down here....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19431296 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19431296)
Thoughts go out to a brave chap's family and friends.
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having taken the relevant points on board regards the accuracy of this i've decided there's little point in continuing it
however the issue of how the increased migrant population is impacting on the overstretched public services (including the police) will no doubt go on
people shouldn't fear being branded racist for voicing their concerns about the ever increasing population due largely to the influx of foreign nationals
my survey may have been short and lacked accuracy but i think its fair to say that crimes by immigrants are no greater in numbers than those committed by 'locals'
some may deduce that we shouldn't be quick to point the finger at foreign nationals regarding local crime whilst others may say that if the foreign nationals weren't here or if they behaved themselves then local crime could be half what it is
school places are at a premium
hospital beds are highly in demand
three weeks wait to see a doctor
police resources are stretched to the limit
housing is struggling to cope with demand
these are not myths made up by 'racists'
these are facts and until councillors and politicians are willing to address these issues and speak candidly about their views then i suspect nothing will change
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three weeks wait to see a doctor
I can ring my surgery first thing in the morning and see a doctor between 11am and 12 noon, no problem. Busy surgery too.
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You also have to remeber as an Oldrids Shareholder Mark wants nothing more than lower wage costs to keep his dividends high, the influx of immigrants helps do this hence is overt support for more imigrants to keep the local populace /oiks in their place on lower wages !
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I am not sure what youare talking about John. I hold no shares in anything. In actuality, you may have more of an interest in keeping wage inflation down in Boston given your business links.
I think you will also find that the employer to whom you refer did not pay any dividends for many years and now pays one equivalent to 1% of actual share value. You'd get more in the bank. it was also one of the last companies to hang on to its final salary defined benefits scheme. It has been run effectively as a social services for many years. :bunny
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Went to Oldrids Downtown last week to purchase some furniture . it,s been delivered and gift tokens given .
A shopping experence unlike I have had for years .
From entering the store and a long browse though items of interest right to the point of delivery not once did I hear a foreign voice .
Just like the Boston of the eighties .
The Polish landlord down my street is interested in purchasing 8 king-size mattress,s for his two-up two-down, does anyone know if any member of staff at downtown can speak Polish ?
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If you understand what he needs, can you not accompany him?
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Maybe the "foreign nationals" are just rubbish criminals and keep getting caught (unlike the locals) ?
Anyway Amber what do you propose doing with all this criminality? You yourself are an "incomer" / "stranger" so should we be suspicious of you? Or do you consider yourself a naturalised Boston inbred?
More worrying is that you chose to move to Boston when most people are trying to escape! xxxxx :bunny
What about the cost of the lazy homegrown gits who do no work at school, have no academic or vocational qualifications, and sponge off the state for the rest of their lives........ :)
Is it fair to make undereducated Bostonians mix with highly motivated people from the EU who leave their homeland in order to further themselves?
In your criticism of Amber Army's intolerance of Eastern Europeans you frequently use derogatory terminology towards people based on their place of origin. Talk about double standards.
Oh and just because the majority want to "escape" our inbred town doesn't mean they're right. It's all about being happy with yourself/your life. If you have issues, wherever you live you'll take those issues with you, know what I mean. ;) There's no fee for this amateur psychology session btw ;)
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In your criticism of Amber Army's intolerance of Eastern Europeans
another example of someone not getting the point
its not a question of intolerance - in the course of my work and private life i've crossed paths with many eastern europeans and on the whole found them pleasant and hard working (i say on the whole cos' just like brits there are always one or two bad apples who give the rest a bad name)
the point i and many others are trying to make is that our tiny little country and our poorly funded councils are at saturation point and its truly amazing that public services are still coping (although some like police and NHS often face criticism for poor delivery of service)
and this view isn't about eastern europeans but about mass immigration in general regardless of where they've come from
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Maybe the "foreign nationals" are just rubbish criminals and keep getting caught (unlike the locals) ?
Anyway Amber what do you propose doing with all this criminality? You yourself are an "incomer" / "stranger" so should we be suspicious of you? Or do you consider yourself a naturalised Boston inbred?
More worrying is that you chose to move to Boston when most people are trying to escape! xxxxx :bunny
What about the cost of the lazy homegrown gits who do no work at school, have no academic or vocational qualifications, and sponge off the state for the rest of their lives........ :)
Is it fair to make undereducated Bostonians mix with highly motivated people from the EU who leave their homeland in order to further themselves?
In your criticism of Amber Army's intolerance of Eastern Europeans you frequently use derogatory terminology towards people based on their place of origin. Talk about double standards.
Oh and just because the majority want to "escape" our inbred town doesn't mean they're right. It's all about being happy with yourself/your life. If you have issues, wherever you live you'll take those issues with you, know what I mean. ;) There's no fee for this amateur psychology session btw ;)
Do you know what "irony" is ducky? ;)
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Do you know what "irony" is ducky? ;)
Cause I do me owd mucker, I am the king of irony. Just you haven't used any :bunny
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In your criticism of Amber Army's intolerance of Eastern Europeans
another example of someone not getting the point
its not a question of intolerance - in the course of my work and private life i've crossed paths with many eastern europeans and on the whole found them pleasant and hard working (i say on the whole cos' just like brits there are always one or two bad apples who give the rest a bad name)
the point i and many others are trying to make is that our tiny little country and our poorly funded councils are at saturation point and its truly amazing that public services are still coping (although some like police and NHS often face criticism for poor delivery of service)
and this view isn't about eastern europeans but about mass immigration in general regardless of where they've come from
borders are just lines on a map. Whatever someone's nationality they're just people trying to earn a living and get by in life. What right do you have to say who can and cannot come here? Just because you got lucky and was born within these boundaries. I just don't get this "us" and "them" mentality.
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Lets put it all in a different way.
If i was polish goverment that wanted to over you a chance to come and earn 2 to 3 times more, Give your free health care,school 100 to 160 pound in Working/child tax. Free ongoing education and a nice Tax credit exempt card to get your eye tested and teeth looked at what would you say.
Remember if you don't go there isn't any such thing as free health care, Higher education needs paying for. No Tax credits oh and over half of you will be out of work or on 3 times less money.
The problem ain't the Nationals its the EU and our goverment for been in it. There crime rate is no higher than bostonians its just that there singled out more.
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In your criticism of Amber Army's intolerance of Eastern Europeans
another example of someone not getting the point
its not a question of intolerance - in the course of my work and private life i've crossed paths with many eastern europeans and on the whole found them pleasant and hard working (i say on the whole cos' just like brits there are always one or two bad apples who give the rest a bad name)
the point i and many others are trying to make is that our tiny little country and our poorly funded councils are at saturation point and its truly amazing that public services are still coping (although some like police and NHS often face criticism for poor delivery of service)
and this view isn't about eastern europeans but about mass immigration in general regardless of where they've come from
borders are just lines on a map. Whatever someone's nationality they're just people trying to earn a living and get by in life. What right do you have to say who can and cannot come here? Just because you got lucky and was born within these boundaries. I just don't get this "us" and "them" mentality.
Well said. If anyone moves 1000s miles to better themselves then good for them. I'm not sure that half the locals who slag them off have ever even left Lincolnshire! ;D
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this topic may as well be locked as clearly the people who seem not to be bothered by mass immigration seem to be constantly missing the point
its about our public services who do not receive extra funding from the EU or anywhere else in the world and yet are expected to find extra jobs,extra school places,extra hospital beds,extra places at GP surgeries etc.
it is indeed admirable that people are willing to move hundreds and thousands of miles from home to establish a better life for themselves - i know i couldn't do it
stop trying to turn this into a racist 'them and us' discussion and address the real issue of how this country can provide the extra services needed for the ever increasing population
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the local scallywags should produce fewer offspring. :bunny
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I think most of us agree with amberarmy on the funding issue .
As a supporter (now EX ) of the tories we at boston have been served appallingly by our MP Mark Simmonds . Sitting in a safe Tory seat he has took advantage of this and settled for the comfort zone of being a yes man to the tory chiefs rather than fight to serve all locals whatever race .
His policy has left Boston grossly underfunded but has got Simmonds made up to foriegn office minister . A good payoff for a poor MP with a easy seat .
Intead of propoesed march through Boston a successful lobby to de-select Simmonds before the next election would be of more benifit to the town .
With Simmonds in the foriegn office and Blair middle east Peace Envoy prepare for World war 3 .
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the local scallywags should produce fewer offspring. :bunny
Agreed. Shall we say anyone who has more than 2 is deported? Or what about the elderly, can't we pack them off somewhere once they retire let's say anyone over 70. How about the disabled, or overweight or smokers? If it's only about public services then there are lot's of people who we'd be much better getting rid of who are just a drain on resources and never put anything back in.
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I can see your point Woad and frustration. I think smokers are worth helping afterall they pay a lot of tax on their fags and then save us all a lot of cash by not hanging around very long to collect pensions. The overweight have presumably eaten a lot of food and are effectively economically active consumers. They frequent supermarkets and pay VAT. I would limit reproduction based on IQ. Mind you there are a lot of smarty-poohs out there who are also feckless and lazy. Editor.
Any ideas? ::)
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Oh the temptation - but I shall resist :)
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VAT on food? Schoolboy error for a bean counter like yourself :-)
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VAT on food? Schoolboy error for a bean counter like yourself :-)
Some food has VAT on it dear boy! Now pay more attention in class! :-*
As a former customs man you should know about Group 1, Schedule 8 of the VAT Act 1994.
Products where VAT is payable for all you fat gits out there:
Wholly or partly chocolate coated biscuits
Gingerbread man decorated with chocolate (unless this amounts to no more than two chocolate eyes!)
Arctic Rolls
Sorbet
Chocolate bar
Nuts or fruits covered in chocolate or yogurt
Flavourings for milk shake
Potato crisps
Roasted or salted nuts without shells
...and the VAT-exempt alternatives
Chocolate chip biscuits
Jaffa cakes
Cream Gateaux
Mousse
Chocolate spread
Toffee apples
Milkshake
Tortilla or corn chips
Roasted or salted nuts supplied in shells e.g. monkey nuts, pistachios
Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1696467/VAT-rise-What-supermarket-food-is-exempt.html#ixzz26A8BS3vL