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The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: wayne, york pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 04:55:24 PM

Title: V Solihull
Post by: wayne, york pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 04:55:24 PM
as i was not there could someone fill me in on the highlights, please
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Mr Tickle on September 10, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
it was a mixture of poor piss and performance!
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Post by: Cavalier on September 10, 2011, 05:04:56 PM
Lets look at the positives.....................................................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: wayne, york pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 05:05:15 PM
it was a mixture of poor piss and performance!

certain areas of the pitch or the whole lot?
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: wayne, york pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 05:06:02 PM
Lets look at the positives.....................................................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

oh dear. say no more.
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Post by: howmanynames2pick on September 10, 2011, 05:12:59 PM
I left after 80 as I thought I would be happier somewhere else.
Still Crawly lost 6 0 and lincum lost. Doesn't help out league position but brings a small smile.
I'm sure there will be better days at York st.
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Post by: wayne, york pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
i take it, the highlight was the fulltime whistle :(
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Post by: Bostonshire on September 10, 2011, 05:16:51 PM
I think most will no me as give the players and team a chance, After all i got slated big time for saying give em a chance but all im gonna say is .......................................GULP.........................................    I post back later as posting in the moment can lead to very bad posting
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Post by: Cavalier on September 10, 2011, 05:20:26 PM
Best not to comment to quickly as it will all look different tomorrow.  Not any better, just different!
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Post by: kingofnaves on September 10, 2011, 05:20:51 PM
There are decent players on the pitch are being mis managed!
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Post by: shorty2kuk on September 10, 2011, 05:33:03 PM
think the only highlight was bazza kinking away solihulls ball into matalan's carpark after half time
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Post by: O CHO MEALLT on September 10, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
Utter dross.I can't think of a single positive to take out of todays performance.Couldn't defend properly,couldn't pass and nobody looking likely to score.Many of us had doubts about the quality of the squad,but were prepared to give them a chance.We are now eight games in,and i see no improvement from the first couple of games.This team looks more like a relegation team than one that can challenge at the right end of the table.We lack quality in too many areas.Gates are already down,and there is nothing there to entice the missing 2/300 back.Something has to change-and sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Lord Cutler Knobhead on September 10, 2011, 05:57:49 PM
Hmmm I said wait til 10 games in to judge, not sure I can take 2 more games like that.  Let's face it, they were awful, a clueless pub team and they did a job on us.  Winning is a mentality, as is being a journeyman and doing just enough. There are players in the side that aren't upto it.
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Post by: townender3385 on September 10, 2011, 06:03:38 PM
Players didn't look interested at all, lots of them either panic and hoof it away or just aren't good enough to pass the ball.
Stones is an absolute disgrace, you can put up with a player lacking quality so long as they put in 100% but he's just doesn't care!
and to think people moaned about Danny Davidson - i would welcome him back with open arms!
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Post by: kingofnaves on September 10, 2011, 06:06:59 PM
Stated many times before but poor old Stones is out of his depth! Lee is asking a pub player to play in a mans league!
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Post by: lonegunman on September 10, 2011, 06:14:23 PM
As i've been working Saturdays, i've not been to watch a game at all this season. Today was my first free Saturday and i still never got there due to other commitments. I did though listen to the game on the 'live  feed' All i can say is i'm bloody pleased i never went, it sounded dire.

I have to agree with OCM, the gates are down. That could be due to the economic climate, with the added, 'the team are not good enough, i'm not wasting my hard earned cash on that'
Now i'm not certain what the answer is, plus no team whoever they are have the God given right to win every game. All i can say is, if you really want to beat teams, in any league, you have to have better players than the others. At the moment it seems we're lacking in that area, i, we, us can't do anything about that, only the people at the top can put that right.

check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry  :bunny
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Post by: father Ted on September 10, 2011, 06:34:09 PM
  Sadly , looking at the historical picture of B.U.F.C (well since c1966 ) I can list  about 4 to a dozen points .
     1. Club has maybe 'overperformed '  for some of that time  .
       2  The towns geographic  isolation , lack of road investment and rail closures in that time have resulted in a somewhat  unattractive  proposition for both long-term players and visiting supporters .
           3  Management events 2002-2007 have left a bad taste in many mouths of the profession .
               4  Following on from 3 .. the exodus of the Malkies have left club with little financial benevolence .. and a crippling ? stadium rent .
                More later  ?
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Post by: Lord Cutler Knobhead on September 10, 2011, 06:46:11 PM
  Sadly , looking at the historical picture of B.U.F.C (well since c1966 ) I can list  about 4 to a dozen points .
     1. Club has maybe 'overperformed '  for some of that time  .
       2  The towns geographic  isolation , lack of road investment and rail closures in that time have resulted in a somewhat  unattractive  proposition for both long-term players and visiting supporters .
           3  Management events 2002-2007 have left a bad taste in many mouths of the profession .
               4  Following on from 3 .. the exodus of the Malkies have left club with little financial benevolence .. and a crippling ? stadium rent .
                More later  ?

And what relevance has the above to a load of pub players who haven't managed a single point coming to York Street and out playing our side?
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: green hats mate on September 10, 2011, 06:53:54 PM
Sadly there are other players doing no better than Stones .
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Post by: father Ted on September 10, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
I was just seeing things in a social and  historic  context  .
   OK  then . following on   
        5.  Two  managers may probably  work 1st time  . possibly 2nd time  .. but after that its time for ' enemy action ' .
                ( Paraphrasing Dr No / Goldfinger ( James Bond ) I think  ) )
                   6  Don't all teams have bad patches  ?
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: yam man on September 10, 2011, 07:14:15 PM
.Couldn't defend properly,

Defence wasn't the real problem. I knew we were in for a long afternoon when we started with two tall, slow centre forwards. What were they going to do? Nod on for each other to race on to? How we miss someone up front with a bit of pace. In 33 years of watching at York Street I've never seen consecutive home games where the performance was so poor (and that's saying something!).
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Deeping Pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 07:43:52 PM
The managers don't seem to have a "Plan B" as all the players did was knock long balls up to the two cart horses up front.  Holsgrove should have started as he gives the attacking line the pace it needs. Also, where as Solihulls players sometimes attempted shots from outside the area, I can't recall any of our players doing the same.
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Post by: wayne, york pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 08:05:20 PM
Seven points behind gainsborough. Amazing what a change in manager does.
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Post by: Pride of Lincolnshire on September 10, 2011, 08:08:16 PM
We must have mug tattooed on our foreheads if the chairman thinks paying £12 - £14 for this kind of "football" is acceptable. We've lost nearly 400 fans compared to last seasons average attendance. Next Tuesday could well see the usual hardcore 1000 fans turning up, like in the Tommy Taylor / Steve Walsh season. We may well be stuck in the BSN for some time, but at least get a group of players that use the turf. I've got a sore neck after peering high into the sky so many times this afternoon. If we're going to play rugby, at least get Nobby to put the right posts out.

Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: noughtyforties on September 10, 2011, 08:16:28 PM
Well I'll say here and now if anyone wants my ticket for next Tuesday get in touch and put a fiver in the StP fund, I'm not going out of my way for a babysitter on the back of the garbage we've had to watch tonight. As long as the fiver is handed to Craig or JB thats fine.
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Post by: The Big M on September 10, 2011, 08:27:57 PM
It was shite i would av rather sat on my balcony watching the ships go bye
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Post by: Senny on September 10, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
If I didn't have a season ticket, I would definitely not be going again for some while. I don't care if that's not a proper fan but not one home game this season has dished up anything near a performance.

Even the "I'm just pleased we have a club" brigade can't bring up that 'argument' today. Utter, utter, utter garbage all round.
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Carl Newell on September 10, 2011, 08:32:27 PM
Andy, if you haven't changed ur mind in a week or so ill take u up on that ticket. Will pay full price as always but instead use the cheap ticket to persuade a friend who usually prefers the champions league on a tuesday night. I also feel we could be lucky to get more than 1000 on a Tue with poor results/performances, cold dark autum nights and champions league on the tele again.
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Little Chip on September 10, 2011, 08:44:07 PM
I dont normally moan, but today we was rubbish and to make it worse they was rubbish also, I dont like to single players out, so I wont. The only positive for me was Alan White and Young Tom Ward the young lad is looking better each week.
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Post by: townender3385 on September 10, 2011, 09:11:22 PM
I dont normally moan, but today we was rubbish and to make it worse they was rubbish also, I dont like to single players out, so I wont. The only positive for me was Alan White and Young Tom Ward the young lad is looking better each week.

Really though? Everyone had their faults today and problems start at the back with Bazza kicking being poor and white and ward do not play to feet they hit and hope everytime. It just bypasses the midfield and we have to rely on stones and mikel chases them down but that will never happen
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Post by: Johnny Pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 09:20:07 PM
I dont normally moan, but today we was rubbish and to make it worse they was rubbish also, I dont like to single players out, so I wont. The only positive for me was Alan White and Young Tom Ward the young lad is looking better each week.

Really though? Everyone had their faults today and problems start at the back with Bazza kicking being poor and white and ward do not play to feet they hit and hope everytime. It just bypasses the midfield and we have to rely on stones and mikel chases them down but that will never happen


"just byepasses the midfield"....what midfield would that be then?
We are playing just 2 in midfield and being outgunned every game by teams playing 4 in the middle.
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Lord Cutler Knobhead on September 10, 2011, 09:30:42 PM
Sleath and Church bossed the midfield on their own last year.  Hall and Sleath just can't seem to get hold of teams in the same way.  Most worrying is that teams see loads of the ball and loads of time in our half.  Hall and Sleath are running around like loons but just don't seem to be able to stop them controlling the game.  Are we too deep all the time, giving them too much space to cover?
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Post by: townender3385 on September 10, 2011, 09:34:49 PM
agreed, far too much time chasing balls too
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Post by: Tony Goor on September 10, 2011, 09:41:40 PM
Official website states: "Stones and Suarez had been paired in a powerful attacking partnership".  I think that says it all.  The supporters have said all season there will be no goals coming from those two . . . and there isn't . . . nor will there be.  They are no better than United Counties players and defences know that!
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: noughtyforties on September 10, 2011, 09:51:34 PM
Andy, if you haven't changed ur mind in a week or so ill take u up on that ticket. Will pay full price as always but instead use the cheap ticket to persuade a friend who usually prefers the champions league on a tuesday night. I also feel we could be lucky to get more than 1000 on a Tue with poor results/performances, cold dark autum nights and champions league on the tele again.

Nope I won't change my mind.....pm me your address and I'll post it this week and instead of the fiver get me a programme and post it to me, the club have had the money for the game and your mate is getting a bargain.........of sorts!
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Post by: The Big M on September 10, 2011, 09:54:50 PM
Andy, if you haven't changed ur mind in a week or so ill take u up on that ticket. Will pay full price as always but instead use the cheap ticket to persuade a friend who usually prefers the champions league on a tuesday night. I also feel we could be lucky to get more than 1000 on a Tue with poor results/performances, cold dark autum nights and champions league on the tele again.

Nope I won't change my mind.....pm me your address and I'll post it this week and instead of the fiver get me a programme and post it to me, the club have had the money for the game and your mate is getting a bargain.........of sorts!




Ha  ha carl wants to bore his mate to death. He wont be ya mate after lol
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Deeping Pilgrim on September 10, 2011, 11:13:33 PM
On hearing that Deeping Rangers won 6-1 today I did think for a minute that I should have attended that game.  I've only lived in Deeping for less than two years and have no interest in the club but I probably would have seen a team playing with passion and would have got better value for money.

Deeping Rangers have also reached the FA Cup 1st qualifying round so there is a chance that Boston vs Deeping could happen in the 2nd qualifying round and on present form......  :o
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Bob Lee on September 11, 2011, 12:27:04 AM
Utter dross.I can't think of a single positive to take out of todays performance.Couldn't defend properly,couldn't pass and nobody looking likely to score.Many of us had doubts about the quality of the squad,but were prepared to give them a chance.We are now eight games in,and i see no improvement from the first couple of games.This team looks more like a relegation team than one that can challenge at the right end of the table.We lack quality in too many areas.Gates are already down,and there is nothing there to entice the missing 2/300 back.Something has to change-and sooner rather than later.
Well said that man,  two more matches and i will make a comment.  it's very hard not to.
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Post by: boggy on September 11, 2011, 01:26:27 AM
Sleath and Church bossed the midfield on their own last year.  Hall and Sleath just can't seem to get hold of teams in the same way.  Most worrying is that teams see loads of the ball and loads of time in our half.  Hall and Sleath are running around like loons but just don't seem to be able to stop them controlling the game.  Are we too deep all the time, giving them too much space to cover?
Think Townender talks sense as playing Suarez and Stones together just invites the long ball and the defence duly obliged today. Result = ball is not being held up by strikers toallow midfield to join in and support, but is just given away cheaply and the midfield are always on the back foot again. Sleath and Hall were the only players trying to put any passes together but they were feeding on scraps and were therefore not able to stamp any authority on the game.
Found the lack of vocal support dissappointing today too- the most noise made was the booing at half time and final whistle-sure this will help team confidence no end.
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Post by: shorty2kuk on September 11, 2011, 01:29:17 AM
Am I the only one who thought Stones came out of this well. About time he had some praise, he should of had 2 . Good performance and kept the defence of Solihull busy, didn;t think it worked well with suarez, but with newsh we can hope
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Post by: Pilgrim86 on September 11, 2011, 06:31:32 AM
We actually battered them for the first 20 minutes, and should have been at least 2-0 up. Confidence must have gone down through not scoring, and it was all downhill from there.
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Post by: BosstickPilgrim on September 11, 2011, 09:17:13 AM
I did not manage to get to the game, but my brother said they were very poor.  he said the best player was sleath and the others did not look bothered.
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Post by: townender3385 on September 11, 2011, 09:50:45 AM
Utter dross.I can't think of a single positive to take out of todays performance.Couldn't defend properly,couldn't pass and nobody looking likely to score.Many of us had doubts about the quality of the squad,but were prepared to give them a chance.We are now eight games in,and i see no improvement from the first couple of games.This team looks more like a relegation team than one that can challenge at the right end of the table.We lack quality in too many areas.Gates are already down,and there is nothing there to entice the missing 2/300 back.Something has to change-and sooner rather than later.
Well said that man,  two more matches and i will make a comment.  it's very hard not to.

Spot on you've thought we were bottom of the league with no points the way we hoofed it all day long, while they played triangles round us on the edge of our area
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Post by: Seenbetter on September 11, 2011, 11:05:56 AM
Oh dear. Very very very few good points from all of these posts. Stones will always get a game because JL wants to prove he was right to get him. Stones and Suarez not good enough. Poor Newy may as well stay at home, he's out of position. I really feel very sorry for the players who try hard and I think are being let down by tactics and managers. Your heads would drop if you were being badly led.
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Post by: scot on September 11, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
Had Stones not missed those 2 sitters in the first 15-20 min it might have been a completely different game, but there you are he did miss them and after that they seemed to grow in confidence. It only the result that counts, look at last weeks game. We were out played only to score in the 96 min. Its a funny old game
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Post by: Tash on September 12, 2011, 09:27:56 AM
I have waited a couple of days before posting and have still come up with the same thoughts that I had on Saturday at 4.45, that was the worst BUFC performance I have seen since the FA cup game against the farmers from Averly. I am going to resist the temptation to slag anyone off because I don't think that achieves anything. We looked unfit and ponderess on the ball and resorted to the dreaded hoofball. If we carry on like that at home gates will fall at an alarming rate and the knock on effect of that does not need spelling out. I trust our Chairman and his staff to put things right andf make some tough decisions, let's face it he hasn't let us down over these last few years.
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Post by: kingofnaves on September 12, 2011, 09:49:12 AM
Unfit! That's the fitness coach position in doubt!
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Post by: Burton Pilgrim on September 12, 2011, 01:10:37 PM
I'm glad I was on holiday - sounds like a good game to have missed.  The comments on this post paint a pretty clear picture! 
Bit puzzled about the comments about Newsham being played out of position - am I right in thinking he played on the left of midfield?  That's where he played for most of the season when he got 30 goals a couple of years ago - he often looked more effective there than as an out and out striker.
Lack of goals was a predictable problem - was a problem last season when we had more strength in depth.  There were many games last season (especially at home) when we struggled to score and without the Yates/Pearson combination we would have been mid-table.
Say what you like about Stones, but in virtually every game he has played he has had 2 or 3 chances - I think that if he had got a goal in his first couple of games he would be flying but unfortunately he hasn't and his confidence will now be low.  I would like to see Suarez do well, but without decent service he won't even get double figures.  Why anyone would think Stones/Suarez up front would work is beyond me - sounds a bit like trying something different because we were playing the bottom team?
Is fitness a problem?  Not sure - when I've seen us so far this season we haven't looked particularly sharp, but then we've scored in injury time in our 3 away wins so something must be right.  I would just question whether we can afford a fitness coach when we so desperately need a striker?
Looking on the bright side, we could be in a lot worse position - without the later winners at Workington and Stortford, and if Halifax had scored the sitter they missed in the last minute, we'd have 6 points and a lot more to worry about.     
Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Come on you yellows on September 12, 2011, 08:56:42 PM
Make no mistake about it Solihull looked a poor side, who for the first twenty or so minutes looked there for the taking. Unfortunately we just don't seem to have the fire power this season to be clinical in front of goal. The team selection to me seemed wrong, i'm struggling to think of any team in the Premiership who play with two up top, it just never works and it certainly didn't work on Saturday. We allowed Solihull too much time at the back to pick up loose balls and to find a man. The team desperately needs someone up there who can chase and pressurise back fours,lets face it, players in this league will make errors when put under a decent amount of pressure. Stones and Suarez may not be everyones first choice strikers, but it will simply never work unless a little guy is up there with the desire to chase flick ons and force defences in to costly errors. The squad is more than capable of being a good team in this league, we are just lacking some firepower which i'm sure Jason and Lee are working on. This squad isn't as bad as some of the results have suggested, but unless Newsham is played up top, a prolific goal scorer is brought in, or Dudfied decides to help out his mate Jase, then im afraid this poor form in front of goal may continue. Keep behind the players who make no mistake about it are trying their best and lets hope that there's some activity player wise before Saturday 
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Post by: howmanynames2pick on September 12, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Make no mistake about it Solihull looked a poor side, who for the first twenty or so minutes looked there for the taking. Unfortunately we just don't seem to have the fire power this season to be clinical in front of goal. The team selection to me seemed wrong, i'm struggling to think of any team in the Premiership who play with two up top, it just never works and it certainly didn't work on Saturday. We allowed Solihull too much time at the back to pick up loose balls and to find a man. The team desperately needs someone up there who can chase and pressurise back fours,lets face it, players in this league will make errors when put under a decent amount of pressure. Stones and Suarez may not be everyones first choice strikers, but it will simply never work unless a little guy is up there with the desire to chase flick ons and force defences in to costly errors. The squad is more than capable of being a good team in this league, we are just lacking some firepower which i'm sure Jason and Lee are working on. This squad isn't as bad as some of the results have suggested, but unless Newsham is played up top, a prolific goal scorer is brought in, or Dudfied decides to help out his mate Jase, then im afraid this poor form in front of goal may continue. Keep behind the players who make no mistake about it are trying their best and lets hope that there's some activity player wise before Saturday 
excellent first post coyy
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Post by: LPRA on September 12, 2011, 09:45:29 PM
The team selection to me seemed wrong, i'm struggling to think of any team in the Premiership who play with two up top, it just never works and it certainly didn't work on Saturday.

You should have put a full stop after the word think. Once you've worked out what I'm getting at, perhaps you should have a chat with Sir Alex Ferguson and tell him playing two up front doesn't work. When you've done, call Harry Redknapp and Kenny Dalglish...

Title: Re: V Solihull
Post by: Come on you yellows on September 12, 2011, 10:33:30 PM
The team selection to me seemed wrong, i'm struggling to think of any team in the Premiership who play with two up top, it just never works and it certainly didn't work on Saturday.

You should have put a full stop after the word think. Once you've worked out what I'm getting at, perhaps you should have a chat with Sir Alex Ferguson and tell him playing two up front doesn't work. When you've done, call Harry Redknapp and Kenny Dalglish...


I was referring to playing two target men up front in Suarez and Stones, which is why I suggested that Newsham would be a better option with either Stones, Suarez or even Jason Lee, despite his reluctance to pick himself unless necessary