Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: faraway pilgrim on July 14, 2011, 08:12:21 PM
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Along with parker and stones
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Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Here we go with a 20 page thread of negitivity Based on age and over the hill comments..............................
Cant wait till the season starts then at least if its crap there be a reason for it.
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Riveting stuff ::) Yawn indeed.
Best get some densely tinted glasses, it's going be a long season !
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Pah, prove me wrong :-\
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One out of three aint bad
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Newsh and Suarez first choice up front surely? JJ can play wide right too, so there's cover for Semps.
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Remember we have cut the budget again this season (worth it in order to break even) these three could be useful squad players throught the season.
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Sorry to be yawnsville but this news has really depressed me. I thought after the signing of Holsgrove we were going after a new batch of players not the same old faces.
We supposedly made Pearson a really good offer to stay - where's that cash gone? I thought we were bringing in these modest squad players to make room for a couple of wow signings, but all we're getting is more squad players.
Not impressed at all by the two Lees so far but I will of course support them come kick-off time and hope they PROVE ME WRONG :)
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So we've gone with someone who was barely good enough for UCL last season, a kid out of the reserves who's basically a battering ram and Liam who's a decent player when he's not on the treatment table......
Sorry but thats not good enough, not nearly good enough.
After the signing of Holsgrove I was pleasantly optimistic,but these are nothing signings.
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The club could put the gate price up by £5 per ticket, per game and if we all agree that would let them put the budget up to get extra players in, but dont think we will all agree do you? remember where we was a few years ago, short memories.
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There's only so long the old 'remember where we were a few years ago' line will wash I'm afraid.
Yes Dave is trying to steady the ship, yes the rent is crippling, yes we have lost three excellent players this summer but come on, can anyone really be happy with the signing of a 36 year old who was at Holbeach last season?
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Didn't he end up playing for Magnet Tavern? Talk about turning us into a pub team! >:(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwNN5s3aJPM mesmorising stuff.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwNN5s3aJPM mesmorising stuff.
Sure is...best part of 20 years ago!
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I'm with Noughty forties on this one. I'm usually one of the most optimistic of people (he normally refers to me as a happy claapper) but ffs if Mikel and Newsh aren't fit, and there's big question marks on both of their fitness then we are in BIG trouble. I'll go on record now and say neither Stones or Joachim will score 10, in fact I think they'll struggle to score 10 between them.
Happy with Liam Parker but think we've just wasted 2 wages, I'd sooner us have Alex Beck and Danny Matson back from Town...
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Well I'm gonna support the team like I always do if we do well I'll support if we don't I'll support if that makes me a happy clapper then fair enough rather that than just slag everyone off b4 they kick a ball
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I've a lot of respect for you WP...whoever you are......you go to most away games (WHICH ARE BEYOND ME FOR OBVIOUS REASONS) and give honest and insightful reports.......if its good stuff you praise and if its garbage you say as it is, even if we've seen very little poor stuff for a couple of years.
Nope, you're far from being a HC!
Sorry to disappoint!
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julian joachim and mickey stones.. a force to be reckoned with.
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We have had two good seasons and there is nothing to say that we wont do this season, JJ, Stones & Parker may not be costing much at all between them? but I do feel that we are knocking them and the managers before they have got going, We dont know anything about the wages they may only get paid as they play? so we could still have money in the pot to add extra players on contracts
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Well I'm gonna support the team like I always do if we do well I'll support if we don't I'll support if that makes me a happy clapper then fair enough rather that than just slag everyone off b4 they kick a ball
Yes I have seen them kick a ball at Arnold and they weren't very impressive. These signings are a massive own goal there's much better about, I wasn't joking regarding Beck and Matson. Geeze if we're looking at ex players why not see what Ricky Miller, Jamie Clarke and Dotty Cotton are doing, I'd rate all of them better than Stones and Joachim.
There's a ton of good quality players about. Now we have someone driving from the North West why not look around at what's available that way, get a couple of players in to car share with Holsgrove. There's a much wider pool of players up there which will reduce wage demands and would take pressure off Holsgrove driving. It's not rocket science.
And yes I'll still support home and away every week as usual but the optimism and faith I had in Jason and Lee is fast evaporating. We still need 1 or preferably 2 strikers and a ball winning midfielder plus another player who can play full back/centre half (Stevens?) and a utility player for the middle (Millson?).
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I seem to recall Dudfield got the same reaction as JJ, and look what happened. He turned out to be pretty decent. It wasn't that long ago that we sold JJ for £100k or whatever it was, he's a local lad so will surely give it his all and you never know it might turn out to be a great signing.
Haven't seen Stones yet, but the amount of criticism we got last season to not giving reserve team players a try, now we are, again we're getting more criticism. It's a catch 22 situation.
Parker, whenever fit has turned out to be a good versatile player. Something we'll need to cover injuries. Still, Suarez and Newsh would be my first choice, but JJ and Stones wouldn't be that bad to bring on from the bench.
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Been a while since i posted on here but i am with the no no on the two strikers. They are a huge mistake on the managers part.And think i should be allowed a moan as it is going to cost two of us the best part of a grand home and away for the season as well as time. yes our choice but think it entitles me to an opinion.even it it is negative. I am going on their showing at Arnold no way are they going to beat some of the quality defenders they will come up against.But what do i know like the rest of the supporters i aint got coaching badges so all i hope is they are two players that will react favourably and the managers excel at motivation. I will put my trust in a hopefully solid defence think it will a mid table finish but will wait and see who else they bring in they still have room for four or five more.
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I don't want us to break the bank and get into financial trouble again. We do however need to invest more in players to be competitive. Once you stop being competitive, fans loose interest and the club would suffer financially. You don't have to spend rediculous sums of money on players, Scott and Hurst showed us that. The phrase speculate to accumulate springs to mind.
We needed knowledgeable managers to find talented and affordable players and we havent got that. We needed the chairman to give the managers a competitive budget, we havent got that. But the club expect the fans to pay more this season ! It's a very dangerous gamble the club is taking and one I feel very uncomfortable about.
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P O L well said the club are in trouble with this squad of 16 dont think we will see many more.
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we should all just wait and see what happens during the season, instead of moaning before a ball has been kicked. :bunny
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Bosstick u aint a proper fan. Ur not aloud to come on here and give people a chance, ur only aloud on here if u gonna come out with all this prove me wrong rubbish, and I pay my money so I can slag people off shite. I don't think jj is the rite move but (PROVE ME WRONG HA HA) you still have to give him a chance. I think we'll finnish mid table with a mid table budget. Do I agree with it no but it is what it is
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Just sometimes I think one or two 'fans' can be miserable old shite heads. What exactly do they think Lee & Lee are doing? Do they somehow suppose the managers have spent weeks digging around the football circuit looking lumps of old coal? Or could, this hungry new management duo be in search of some prime nuggets of good stuff? L & L are in effect embarking on a new phase of their careers. I bet all I have they have not set out on this career path thinking we'll build up a team of crap players put them in front of the farmer Dan's for a year, have a laugh and piss off to some great team after a naff season! Get real. Stop this miserable, depressing, crap it's infectious. They are competitors. Winning is their way. Support the club. Support the players and support L & L.
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I'd have thought they'd have waited until at least one more friendly before signing any of the trialists.
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No contract lengths are mentioned, so you would presume these are non-contract - they can easily be released if they don't produce the goods.
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To be fair MLF everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you look back over all my posts on this forum 90% are positive and supportive of the club. People like noughtyforties I hardly ever agree with much he says as it's too negative IMO, but you have to respect someone's opinions even if they are completely opposite.
I've supported the club since 85, not always going to games as there's been times when I haven't been able to do this. But I've gone when everyone has thought I'm mad, like going away to Cammel Laird midweek when we nearly got relegated a few seasons back (when less than 10 Boston supporters where there), I'm sure others on here have similar tales. So the point is this isn't fair weather support your talking too.
I'm happy for us to give youth a chance and don't believe a lower budget is prohibitive in attracting young unproven players (which has stood us in good stead in the last couple of years). Like I said if we're intent on going with former players I have listed 4 or 5 younger players who have potential, if not there must be loads of young players who'd jump at a chance to play for BUFC.
Going for 1 of their mates who struggled at Quorn and Holbeach and is 36 isn't the right move IMO, if you don't agree fine but don't tell loyal supporters to shut up. Stones is 27 next week and has never cut it at this high a level. If he hasn't made it yet what makes you think he's suddenly developed into a Conf North 15-20 goal a season player now? It certainly looks like they've taken the easy option.
I have never and will never boo my own players but the boo boys will have a field day with Stones. He makes DD look silky skilled and pacey, why didn't we just keep DD? He isn't much older than Stones and is proven at this level.
The big worry is this won't attract the floating supporter and more worryingly will put off the casual fan. Even regular supporters will think twice IMO. Again IMO if it doesn't go right then we'll be seeing 200-300 drop off the gates very quickly, another budget cut by Xmas and the better players going, which will mean more stop going, so another budget cut...you see where that can end up.
This is a big risk by the club I hope it pays off.
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Happy with Parker, but hoping more than expecting any significant contributions from Stones or JJ. The former looked decent in the Vauxhall match at the end of last year, but it was only one game playing in a rampant team against a poor side. I would've liked him to have been kept predominantly as a reserve teamer ala last season. I expect JJ to be brilliant or awful, and think the latter is much more likely. The only thing that does strike me is that he must have impressed the managers a lot in training, otherwise they surely wouldn't have signed him up after one pre-season game in which he was, by most accounts, pretty average.
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A backward step in my opinion.I don't believe anyone can really be happy when we lose players like Church/Pearson/Murphy/SWD and replace them with this kind of player.Seems all the momentum we have built over the last two seasons with a basically young hungry team has been lost.
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Well said MLF i agree with you totally
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I would refer the honourable members to my entry last week entitled Not Alone. In actual fact I think it's getting rather crowded.
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I think parker is a great signing, and JJ has had undeniable class so if he could recreate any of that class it would be a good signing... BUT Stones is no way good enough we must get another striker thats scored goals at this level of one below!
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People seem to be expecting Stones to be first choice - he won't be! He'll be back up for Suarez in the big man role up front - plus there's always Big Jase himself.
Signing him on first team forms - does this now allow him to go out on loan for a month at the start of the season to maybe get his fitness up? The reserves don't start until Septemember.
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woad_pilgrim, I can agree with some points you make. I will respect and defend peoples right of speech. I will not always respect their views. I will challenge them and if I wish give my opinion. That's the way the world goes round. Whilst not one of this forums most prolific posters, I do on occasion get sick and tired of the miserable sods bleating on. I do think others sometimes jump on this despairing, mournful bandwagon. Frankly, people of David Newtons ilk are saints putting up with some of the diatribe.
Regards,
MLF
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Good news to cheer us up . Matt Hocking is not going to be signed .
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Well . . let's just amuse ourselves ? by thinking formations .. how they would slot in .
I would use the Scouse arrowhead as favored by Liverpool when those Spaniards were there .
viz . .
Stones/ Suez
Hols Newsh/Semps
Hall
Another Another/Parker
Wobbly Canns Austi J F .
Bazz
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woad_pilgrim, I can agree with some points you make. I will respect and defend peoples right of speech. I will not always respect their views. I will challenge them and if I wish give my opinion. That's the way the world goes round. Whilst not one of this forums most prolific posters, I do on occasion get sick and tired of the miserable sods bleating on. I do think others sometimes jump on this despairing, mournful bandwagon. Frankly, people of David Newtons ilk are saints putting up with some of the diatribe.
Regards,
MLF
You'd better show us where Dave Newton's getting a panning.........all I see is people unhappy with the managers, not the chairman.
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woad_pilgrim, I can agree with some points you make. I will respect and defend peoples right of speech. I will not always respect their views. I will challenge them and if I wish give my opinion. That's the way the world goes round. Whilst not one of this forums most prolific posters, I do on occasion get sick and tired of the miserable sods bleating on. I do think others sometimes jump on this despairing, mournful bandwagon. Frankly, people of David Newtons ilk are saints putting up with some of the diatribe.
Regards,
MLF
You'd better show us where Dave Newton's getting a panning.........all I see is people unhappy with the managers, not the chairman.
You'd better show me where I said he was. Attention to detail old chap ::)
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Going with what we have signed on currently
GK BAZZA
RB FAIRCLOUGH
LB JELLYMAN
CB AUSTIN
CB CANNOVILLE
RM SEMPLE
LM HOLDSGROVE
CM HALL
CM SLEATH (WHEN HE'S BACK)
ST NEWSHAM
ST SUAREZ
SUB PARKER
SUB WARD
SUB STONES
SUB JOACHAM
SUB DRURY
Well . . let's just amuse ourselves ? by thinking formations .. how they would slot in .
I would use the Scouse arrowhead as favored by Liverpool when those Spaniards were there .
viz . .
Stones/ Suez
Hols Newsh/Semps
Hall
Another Another/Parker
Wobbly Canns Austi J F .
Bazz
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According to this publicity, Joachim will be part of the Leicester City Legends squad that takes on Nottingham Forest legends in a charity friendly on Sunday ...
http://www.soarmagazine.co.uk/2011/07/15/steve-walsh-blog-my-greatest-eleven-midfield/
If you’re free this Sunday, come on down to Quorn FC, to see the like of me, Muzzy, Matt Elliott, Julian Joachim, Stefan Oakes and Matty Piper in action against former Forest stars, including Steve Stone, Steve Chettle and David Johnson.
At 36, can he play two games in two days? I can't see him putting too long a stint in at Boston Town if he is playing again on Sunday.
The same friendly also took place last season, and Jason Lee played for Forest Legends!
With Sleath off to China at the start of the season, I wonder if Muzzy Izzett or Steve Stone could do a short-term job for us in midfield!
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Panic signings IMO I dont rate Stones after seeing him play at the end of last season, To lazy IMO. As for JJ when we went to Quorn and yes i know he scored but lost all his pace and was just poaching in the box mostly and got the lucky goal. Ill reserve judgement on Liam Parker
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Just as a matter of interest, how many on this thread have:-
Played football,
Managed a football team.
And at what level.
Reading this I think most of you should stick to Eastenders, not Townenders. LIVEN UP.
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I' m Mmmmm .......... Alex ferguson x. :)
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I may be Steve Evans' 3rd cousin . ! .
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I was speaking to someone who has known JJ since he was at school and he told me that JJ looks the fittest he has for years and seems pretty determined to perform to a high standard. I am not saying he is going to be brilliant or rubbish, but maybe people are judging him on his last few seasons performances when maybe he wasn't fit or had his head on the game. I will reserve judgement on all signings and are chances next year, but if we lose the first, second and third game I won't get on players or managers backs. Judgement should be over the whole season.
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If JJ gets his chances to play on a regular base im sure that he will get as many goals as SWD did last season, I think SWD only got 12? as our main striker that was not good enough. Come on it depressing seeing so many negative comments, I hope that you moaners don't sit near me all season?
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If JJ gets his chances to play on a regular base im sure that he will get as many goals as SWD did last season, I think SWD only got 12? as our main striker that was not good enough. Come on it depressing seeing so many negative comments, I hope that you moaners don't sit near me all season?
Fair Play to ya Little Chip.
Good Man you are ;)
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I'm Mr Fenty and no one questions my judgement, see you in court :-*
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woad_pilgrim, I can agree with some points you make. I will respect and defend peoples right of speech. I will not always respect their views. I will challenge them and if I wish give my opinion. That's the way the world goes round. Whilst not one of this forums most prolific posters, I do on occasion get sick and tired of the miserable sods bleating on. I do think others sometimes jump on this despairing, mournful bandwagon. Frankly, people of David Newtons ilk are saints putting up with some of the diatribe.
Regards,
MLF
MLF
At no point have I critisized Dave Newton, and tbh if I where it wouldn't be on a fans forum. Having spoken to him several times at games I'd go direct to Dave himself. I'd never be so uncouth or cowardly as to do it on here behind an anonymous name. Personally I'm quite happy with how the club is being run and don't think DN has made any mistakes so far.
Also I have no issue with you giving an opinion this is what I had issue with:
Stop this miserable, depressing, crap it's infectious. They are competitors. Winning is their way. Support the club. Support the players and support L & L.
That is what I took exception to, as customers (a term I don't really like but that is what we are) we are entitled to critisize if we see fit, especially if we have been used to a superior product and as has been said are being asked to pay more for what most believe is an inferior product.
Anyway let's look at it another way, of the 9 sigings so far I only think 2 are poor which is 22.22%, so I'm 77.78% happy :D
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Well . . let's just amuse ourselves ? by thinking formations .. how they would slot in .
I would use the Scouse arrowhead as favored by Liverpool when those Spaniards were there .
viz . .
Stones/ Suez
Hols Newsh/Semps
Hall
Another Another/Parker
Wobbly Canns Austi J F .
Bazz
With who we've signed so far a 4-1-3-1-1:
Bazza
Canners Austin Ward Jelly
Parker
Semps Sleath Hall
Holsgrove
Suarez
Subs
Drury (I presume we can use reserve players)
Fairclough
Ogden
Newsham
Joachim/Stones
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Woad you are a patter legend I always respect your comments you call it as you see it fair enough. But some on here just moan and slag people off, and it does get a little boring
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I'll go with that WP ..
Parka can field the clearances that go over Sleathies head !( when he is back)
Bit worried that Canns may get injured a lot . . if he plays regularly .
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woad_pilgrim, I can agree with some points you make. I will respect and defend peoples right of speech. I will not always respect their views. I will challenge them and if I wish give my opinion. That's the way the world goes round. Whilst not one of this forums most prolific posters, I do on occasion get sick and tired of the miserable sods bleating on. I do think others sometimes jump on this despairing, mournful bandwagon. Frankly, people of David Newtons ilk are saints putting up with some of the diatribe.
Regards,
MLF
MLF
At no point have I critisized Dave Newton, and tbh if I where it wouldn't be on a fans forum. Having spoken to him several times at games I'd go direct to Dave himself. I'd never be so uncouth or cowardly as to do it on here behind an anonymous name. Personally I'm quite happy with how the club is being run and don't think DN has made any mistakes so far.
Also I have no issue with you giving an opinion this is what I had issue with:
Stop this miserable, depressing, crap it's infectious. They are competitors. Winning is their way. Support the club. Support the players and support L & L.
That is what I took exception to, as customers (a term I don't really like but that is what we are) we are entitled to critisize if we see fit, especially if we have been used to a superior product and as has been said are being asked to pay more for what most believe is an inferior product.
Anyway let's look at it another way, of the 9 sigings so far I only think 2 are poor which is 22.22%, so I'm 77.78% happy :D
I neither have been publicly critical of David Newton. My private conversations with him are personal and frank.
Well I must say WOAD, I never anticipated the use of the old defensive card from you! Perhaps you misunderstood?
The final sentance was not pointed to any ONE person, other than those too whom it applies! David will of course have briefings, including obvious gathering of information of postings on forums. (If of interest!!)
I refer you to my original points "Stop this miserable, depressing, crap it's infectious. They are competitors. Winning is their way. Support the club. Support the players and support L & L." Not applicable to some of course!
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I know that David has briefings including obvious gathering of information of postings on forums. (If of interest!!)
I'm sure Dave is interested in what supporters (customers) think the club are not doing well as well as the stuff it is doing well, as long as it's constructive of course.
Anyhow I've moved on now we have 15 players signed on so there's room for 4 more, maybe 5. I'm guessing 2 centre mids another defender, another striker and if we can afford a 5th then a winger/striker. I'm going to see who else signs before making any further comment, L&C maybe saving their best signings till last...
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I know that David has briefings including obvious gathering of information of postings on forums. (If of interest!!)
I'm sure Dave is interested in what supporters (customers) think the club are not doing well as well as the stuff it is doing well, as long as it's constructive of course.
Anyhow I've moved on now we have 15 players signed on so there's room for 4 more, maybe 5. I'm guessing 2 centre mids another defender, another striker and if we can afford a 5th then a winger/striker. I'm going to see who else signs before making any further comment, L&C maybe saving their best signings till last...
Goodnight
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Don,t know where your going to stand/sit at York St Little Chip if you wish to avoid the moaners .
As WP says lets see what the next 3/4 signings are like .
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Goodnight
You've not won me over I still have the same views, just we were going round in circles which was pretty pointless.
GHM how do you know Hocking isn't signing?
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Craig tweeted that it was unlikely he'll be in the squad today...
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Hocking, Stevens and Thompson unlikely to feature?
http://www.bournelocal.co.uk/sport/football/ryan_semple_set_to_return_for_boston_derby_1_2873280
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GHM I will need to go in with the away fans ;D
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Goodnight
You've not won me over I still have the same views, just we were going round in circles which was pretty pointless.
GHM how do you know Hocking isn't signing?
Doh! ;)
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As Murdoch tries to become Mr Nice Guy (impossible) . . then the Club mouthpiece Craig S is getting quite transparent in his official tweets .
Told us last eve that Stevens , Hocking and maybe Thompson lad wouldn't figure further .
But he's also discouraged moans re resigned players . . so yes he prob reads Patter .
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Shame about Stevens, did he play much at Creepy last year or was he sloshing around in the cess pit that was Evans' back up squad? If he's deteriorated as a player then there's only one cheat to blame for that, he looked a genuine prospect back in 07.
Craig does read patter, he's posted on here and its pretty much a given he's going to toe the official line and say cut the moaning (if not in so many words).......but football's a game of opinions and I'm afraid signing a 36 year old from Holbeach Utd isn't going to meet with universal acclaim from all quarters, nor is a glorified pub player who has the subtlety of a bull in a china shop.
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Well ive seen them play and yes Woad pilgrim at the moment i have to say you were right in saying that you would rather see Danny Matson and in particular Alex Beck signed. I know it was only a friendly but...........What was the score?
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Danny matson awful player they might as well play me
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J S has not played for Crawley for two years n/f
Agree Big M , Danny Matson is a awful player but we did not have a better striker than him on show this afternoon.
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Jamie Stevens has been at Farnborough for the last 2 seasons.
33 appearances in 09/10 when they got promoted from Southern Prem to Conf South
18 appearances last season 10/11 when they were play-off losers in Conf South
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Does anyone else recall when we signed Jockey back in 2005, he looked unfit in pre season, hadn't played much football at Leeds. wasn't looking great but then banged in 18 goals! From what i hear from canners i think he's gonna do that this season! :D
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He did play a fair bit for Walsall 8 games towards the end of the previous season with 6 goals though