Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Liam_SCFC on May 24, 2010, 08:58:54 PM
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As many of you will know, during the week the Conference announced they would be denying us entry to their league next season, meaning we will get demoted 2 leagues which virtually destroys our current squad.
This rule is UNFAIR! We deserve to be in the Conference, we've fought our 10 point deduction and the owners have done everything in their control to keep us going. We have even installed floodlights to meet ground grading requirements...all debts are paid, apart from one, the one to the taxman - we've made a deal which has been accepted but the Conference say we can't because we're not paying 100%!
THIS IS RIDICULOUS! They're killing us...especially as the saved club will be Forest Green Rovers, whos chairman also chairs the Conference board!
All I ask of the members on here is to help us out as fans...we've had a cracking time in this league so please support our appeal by joining our petition. Let’s leave rivalries aside here and let football come out the winner. The only way this can happen is for word to be spread and you to join our petition.
I know you've been through this all before, so you know how it feels...please help us!
It can be found here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=128570467155691
Thanks,
Your support will be much appreciated!
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You have my support!
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Er, aren't Salisbury being demoted under the same 'second Saturday in May' rule that saw us demoted a couple of seasons ago?
What's so special about your situation?
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What support did SCFC and its fans give us when we where in exactly the same position Liam SCFC ?
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Er, aren't Salisbury being demoted under the same 'second Saturday in May' rule that saw us demoted a couple of seasons ago?
What's so special about your situation?
Nope, because this rule was rushed through this seasons AGM and no one actually knew what they were voting for.
I just feel that as you know what it's like to go through you'd give us some backing. The Conference is a shambles and if you agree with that you'd back our campaign!
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Was it? According to your local newspaper, you're being demoted under the second Saturday in May rule, exactly the same as we were two years ago. Unless I've read it wrong, which, to be honest, is likely...
Can you tell me exactly which rule it is that was rushed through at the AGM then?
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Was it? According to your local newspaper, you're being demoted under the second Saturday in May rule, exactly the same as we were two years ago. Unless I've read it wrong, which, to be honest, is likely...
Can you tell me exactly which rule it is that was rushed through at the AGM then?
Appendix E...it is being changed at this years AGM which means when it is we would no longer be in the position to be demoted 2 leagues.
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This is the same "second Saturday" rule under which we were demoted.Whilst i have sympathy with the supporters of Salisbury City,i shall be right royally p*ssed off if they win their appeal,just as i was last season when Northwich and Farsley won theirs.
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The rule is rubbish, as is the outcome for any supporter as we can testify
however agree or disagree it's the rule, and as we suffered it, unless something has been dine incorrectly by the conference you are stuck. The problem for most united fans I believe is if your appeal succeeds then how do we benefit as a club?
Best you pick yourselves up, brush yourselves down, and focus on the future, you won't ever beat the conference rule makers
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You've picked the wrong forum to get support
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Personally I hope they do win their appeal why wish our misfortune on others?
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The rule is rubbish, as is the outcome for any supporter as we can testify
however agree or disagree it's the rule, and as we suffered it, unless something has been dine incorrectly by the conference you are stuck. The problem for most united fans I believe is if your appeal succeeds then how do we benefit as a club?
Best you pick yourselves up, brush yourselves down, and focus on the future, you won't ever beat the conference rule makers
Something has been done incorrectly. The person who announced our demotion and basically pushed it all through is chairman of FGR...the club who will be saved!
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Joke if this appeal is won.
We suffered, so should any other club 'breaking' this rule as stupid and crazy as it is.
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Personally I hope they do win their appeal why wish our misfortune on others?
I do agree to some extent, but still.... it'd be bloody annoying given we lost our appeal.
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As i said,i have some sympathy with the Salisbury supporters,and the rule may well be bad one.However,the rule is there-let's have some consistancy in its application.Northwich are also said to be appealing the decision to demote them.Their debt is said to have trebled in the last year-while they still had 6 or 7 full-time players.They are also talking of taking their appeal to "the highest level possible"-if they have the money for that,why havn't they used it to pay off creditors?Do they deserve to win their appeal.?
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It's catch 22, if they win their appeal then I will be right royally pissed off as it will proove they had a vendetta against us. If they lose then that nonsense of a board get their way again.
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Did they support us in our appeal or just sit back sniggering like most at the time ?
Yeah , thought so ..................
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Liam SCFC its very hard to take, because its always the poor old fan who suffers, never the shitheads running the club who put you in this position in the first place. We lived the dream, promotion to the football league, then the crap hit the fan.So apart from a Chairman and his side kick manager cheating our way into the league,creating massive debts to the club,giving us another shithead who wanted to rip the ground up solely for properity development,then to be convinced that the next shithead who came along cared anymore about our club,only to find out he was just another nail in our coffin, then we suffered an ex player who nearly managed to get us wiped of the face of the earth.We then suffered relegation from league 2, to be told we cannot play in the conference,we were then saved by a fantastic couple of people David and Nigel, who inherited major problems,suffered an injust further relegation at the hands of the conference to the Unidump league.
But the shining light is that we are now run properly, we have a pride in our club again and we won promotion back to the blue square north.Thats why this rule is in place.
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The right thing for the sake of football would be for Salisbury to win this appeal.
But if that were to happen, wouldn't Boston then have further grounds to consider legal action against the authorities?
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Yes Boston would have further grounds IMO, also I for one think that whoever chairs the Conference should not be someone who has a vested interest in one of the clubs competing in it as this could easily lead to a conflict of interest (the fact that Forest Green Rovers are the club that would be saved does make it all look a bit dodgy).
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Best of luck to Salisbury.
Though it would be a smack in the face for us the farce of a club doing its level best to solve its promblems only to be shafted by petty regulations is a nonsense.
I hope the conference see sense and reppeal this rule whilst also dealing more sternly with club insolvencies. Those considering going into Adminsitration or a CVA should do so in the clear knowledge that this eventuality will automatically result in demotion of 2 leagues the following year - no exceptions. This should be written into the terms of membership of the league, you don't sign - you don't play!
These clubs should lodge their debt management plans with the FA who in turn should monitor their progress. In order for the club to gear up to their new spending status a moritorium should be placed on further action in year 1. However if at the end of Year 2 the club has not made progress to meet or exceed their debt plan then the gloves should be off and another demotion should be the penalty.
Tough love but the only way that the boom and bust roller coaster will end for some.
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we were then saved by a fantastic couple of people David and Nigel,
Nigel? Nigel? Who the feck is Nigel???????
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Best of luck and c'mon guys and girls. Just because we were demoted under stupid rule does not make another club suffering the same fate OK. If you believe the rule is fair, then support it otherwise support Salisbury.
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Best of luck and c'mon guys and girls. Just because we were demoted under stupid rule does not make another club suffering the same fate OK. If you believe the rule is fair, then support it otherwise support Salisbury.
Spot on. If they do win the appeal then Dave & Neil should go in all guns blazing for some compo.
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Ours was different circumstances though, we had other debts not just the inland revenue to contend with, whilst Salibury only have a debt to HMRC which they've agreed a CVA for.
There shouldnt be a set-in-stone rule, each case is different and requires different approaches.
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I like a lot of you on this forum, but some of you sound like right slapped arses you know how it felt what Salisbury are going through i thaught you of all fans would be backing them to be honest.
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Thanks for all your support! Don't think it goes unnoticed because it really doesn't!
No club should have to have relegation decided on off the pitch matters - we're under a new board now that have totally revamped how the club is run and it now works. I've always had sympathy with clubs who've gone through such difficulty so I hope we can continue to gain support from you!
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I like a lot of you on this forum, but some of you sound like right slapped arses you know how it felt what Salisbury are going through i thaught you of all fans would be backing them to be honest.
You are the voice of reason fcum_91. You are correct we should support them and stop the suits from doing this to any other team in ours and Salisburys position. The rule (or the appendix "E" within it) does not punish the guilty party ie-: the ones that bugger off into the distance and try their luck elswhere, it punishes the ones coming in to clear up the mess. If they can prove they hvae the club on a sound footing and are living within their means and have an agreement with their creditors then common sense should prevail.
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Good luck Salisbury, but do not hold your breath.
You will have to excuse some of us on this forum, the scars still hurt.
The supporters are the ones to suffer and I have a feeling we still have some suffering to do. Perhaps our grass will be too short or any other feeble excuse they will find to kick us.
As I said on a previous post about 4 years ago the Conference is a CLOSED SHOP and if your face does not fit, well you know the rest.
Anyway, I would not hold a grudge if you were successful, I would just put it down to one rule for us etc.
Good luck
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I really feel for Salisbury because, as we are all aware, that is effectively the end of their present squad as they know it. Can you see players like Matt Tubbs plying his trade two leagues below? No chance. As ever it's the poor supporters who suffer and can forget going to Luton Town, Mansfield, York etc and start preparing to face teams they may never even heard of!! I wish you all the luck with your appeal STFC but i fear you may have more chance of finding a large piece of rocking horse s**t than being allowed back in the Conference :(
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There was some discussion when this happened to us over whether or not it was even a rule, or just something the conference could use at their discretion?
I have to say that I wouldn't wish what happened to us on any club and so for that reason, I back this Sailsbury City appeal and also Northwich for that matter. I think its pretty clear that this rule isn't stopping clubs spending recklessly and there seems to be more emphasis on punishing the Club and supporters, whilst the individuals who get clubs into the mess in the first place are allowed to carry on at other clubs. Until individuals become liable I think this problem will continue, as the same names and faces seem to appear regularly at new clubs employing the same philosophies. I haven't done any research on this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think more clubs from the conference have gone bust than from any other league in recent times. I frankly think the way the Conference has handled its matters the past few seasons has been a shambles and I think they need to now come out with a clear set of rules which will be applied consistently before next season begins and get them backed by the F.A. so that they don't risk being overturned on appeal. These rules should punish the Club to an extent e.g. points penalties, but the real focus should be on the indivduals with lengthy involvement bans and - I realise this maybe beyond their scope - criminal charges if matters are serious enough.
Anyway - Good Luck to the fans of Sailsbury and Northwich, I hope you're summer isn't as soul distroying as our last few!
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All good valid suggestions Maxross apart from the F A involvement , Have the FA been proved to be any better than the hapless Conference at handing out EVEN HANDED punishment.
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All good valid suggestions Maxross apart from the F A involvement , Have the FA been proved to be any better than the hapless Conference at handing out EVEN HANDED punishment.
Yes I agree Green Hats Mate, the F.A. are equally poor at this type of thing, my reasoning was though that at least if the Conference and the F.A. were singing from the same hymn sheet we might have a little more chance of consistency. Probably to sensible a suggestion for those clowns though.
Interesting reading everybodiy elses comments that appeared whilst I was composing my own response, one hell of a lot of common sense and a lot of good ideas. Wonder why the people running the leagues can't seem to apply the same kind of intelect? All joking apart, wouldn't it be a good idea to canvass fan's on what they think the punishments should be for this kind of thing. At then end of the day, we are the ones who fund football and we are the ones left to pick up the pieces when it all goes tits up.
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I've been reading this topic with interest. All i can add is this, i know how i felt when it all became clear that certain parties had cheated to get us in to the FL. From that point i knew deep down that we were well and truly fooked, it came as no surprise when we ended up bust and the guilty parties did a bunk. Most fans of other clubs hated us and were pleased to see us fall on our arses. That of course is the legacy of certain parties who were at the club at that time.
I'd not wish that on any fan of another club, it wasn't our fault and it's not theirs either. So i say good luck to you Salisbury, i doubt you'll change any ones mind about the punishment you'll receive though.
check the grassy knoll.
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I've been reading this topic with interest. All i can add is this, i know how i felt when it all became clear that certain parties had cheated to get us in to the FL. From that point i knew deep down that we were well and truly fooked, it came as no surprise when we ended up bust and the guilty parties did a bunk. Most fans of other clubs hated us and were pleased to see us fall on our arses. That of course is the legacy of certain parties who were at the club at that time.
I'd not wish that on any fan of another club, it wasn't our fault and it's not theirs either. So i say good luck to you Salisbury, i doubt you'll change any ones mind about the punishment you'll receive though.
check the grassy knoll.
I couldn't argue with that - well put!
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I really feel for Salisbury because, as we are all aware, that is effectively the end of their present squad as they know it. Can you see players like Matt Tubbs plying his trade two leagues below? No chance. As ever it's the poor supporters who suffer and can forget going to Luton Town, Mansfield, York etc and start preparing to face teams they may never even heard of!! I wish you all the luck with your appeal STFC but i fear you may have more chance of finding a large piece of rocking horse s**t than being allowed back in the Conference :(
And you have to feel with the lad...Salisbury born and bred, he came up through the leagues with us scoring goals for fun at every single level! There's the moment he equalised against Forest and then that exact same season the last gasp winner he scored in the play-off final - I get goosebumps thinking about it!
He just wanted to go and get himself in that all-time record goalscorer spot...he's only 40 away now. Will he get that chance? We'll have to wait and see...
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What a shame Liam, i wasn't aware he was a local lad, i'm sure there will be a few clubs sniffing around to get his signature this summer. I can remember when we played our last game in the football league in front of 12,500 supporters, the next time i saw us was away at Alfreton Town in front of 450 odd, you can imagine how hard that is to take. Worse was to follow as we were then booted further down the pyramid to face the likes of Camill Laird and Vauxhall Motors etc. I remember going away to Worksop one evening at Hucknall's ground to witness an awful game and wondered if i could continue to follow with any enthusiasm any more. You have to keep the faith mate, you have a decent fan base and i'm sure you'll pull yourselves back up again, i hope so anyway, good luck.