Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Bostonshire on March 02, 2013, 11:01:11 PM
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Since patter is in overdrive and i could not keep up with it i just thought i would ask.
After coming out of the match today. Pissed off, and very mad like most fans today i took my chance to speak to Drury.
So out come a pint and time to chat.
Id like to say first i did say to him that the performance of late was poor in which he did not disagree he also agreed on the following,
1.He had not replaced Jones (He did confirm that this was in hand)
2.We had a lack of left footed players( This is also in the line)
3.Had a few things changed since taking over in which he said yes but did not say what(understandable).
He admitted rightly that things was not good at present but was also very hand tied from day one
and there was 2 players incoming, 1 subject to watching his next match due to a recent injury.
Today was proppa crap but im still behind the club,team and manager 100% and as a club(united by name) we will get this right.
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3.Had a few things changed since taking over in which he said yes but did not say what(understandable).
Yes. Before he started we thought he was crap. Now we know he is.
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So u think its is fault he lost Jones,Jelly and a large Budget cut a few weeks into taken the job. Before slating him id advice anyone to sit and talk to him and u might find out how honest and open he is, Also on the note of open and honesty so is newton, But it seems a lot are to low in the gut and happy to sit here and slag them of without getting anything valid to do so.
As i said i i am a pissed of fan because of our current form and currently unhappy watching crap but also understand the losses suffered,and why the hard choice of hacking the budget was made.
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Do you think he was giving you some of his bullshit talk?
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As his number one supporter why don't you go and seek him out KON, see what you think of his answers?
"You can fool some of the people some of the time " etc etc, springs to mind here doesn't it?
Inspite of yesterdays debacle I am still behind the manager, as I was behind Lee and would be so behind any of our managers but my support is hanging on by the thinest of cotton threads thats for sure
He hasn't replaced Jones who I am not convinced he even started, and we haven't got many left footed players.
Surely his contact book should have taken care of those little problems and he can hardly say anything positive about recent performances or results when on current form-the last six matches- we are sitting very uncomfortably just above the hapless duo of Corby Town and Hinkley neither of which I think we have beaten have we, and thats as scary as our form
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I dont need to see him! Im sure his puppets/muppets will answer for him on this forum!
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I thought our 4 best players were off the pace 2 day that being ross milnes swd newsham.
maybe we will see ross back in the middle with milnes on tue.
fairclough in place of swd maybe
lets not forgett we had 3 atempts cleared off the line. we should have put them out of sight firsthalf
its not the team i would wont to start next season and it wont be we all no that.
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If I'm being honest, yes I do blame him for jones and jelly going. I don't think he knows a good player from a bad one and I think he thinks he can bring in better players for less money - which I've not seen evidence of so far.
Would you not ask at the interview what your budgets going to be ? I'd be interested to know what it is compared to the teams above.
I'd also like to know what our budget was 2 seasons ago with 1500 gates compared to now with gates of 800. Is the club better off with gates of 800 ?
If the budgets been slashed that much, work closer with the reserves and youth team, get the younger lads a bit of first team experience.
He's brought players in, he's picked the formation, he's played them out of position. Are these not valid points to have a bit of a pop at him ? I don't feel I need to see him after the game and get his life story. I'm only interested in what he does on match day.
I don't want to be keyboard coward, but I'd rather vent my frustrations on here than in front of the players. It's not their fault.
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If I'm being honest, yes I do blame him for jones and jelly going. I don't think he knows a good player from a bad one and I think he thinks he can bring in better players for less money - which I've not seen evidence of so far.
Would you not ask at the interview what your budgets going to be ? I'd be interested to know what it is compared to the teams above.
I'd also like to know what our budget was 2 seasons ago with 1500 gates compared to now with gates of 800. Is the club better off with gates of 800 ?
If the budgets been slashed that much, work closer with the reserves and youth team, get the younger lads a bit of first team experience.
He's brought players in, he's picked the formation, he's played them out of position. Are these not valid points to have a bit of a pop at him ? I don't feel I need to see him after the game and get his life story. I'm only interested in what he does on match day.
I don't want to be keyboard coward, but I'd rather vent my frustrations on here than in front of the players. It's not their fault.
I spoke to Jones 2-3 weeks before he left and he was very unhappy about being played out of position, then being dropped for not performing well whilst out of position. His exact words were "that's what happens when you are bombed out on the wing". Not saying that was his only reason for leaving, but it certainly didn't help.
Mr Drury seems hell bent on playing players out of position, as if he sees something the rest of us don't. It doesn't make them happy but that would not matter if it got results, but it doesn't.
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It was interesting seeing Marshall's response to being substituted.
A shrug of the shoulders and a glance at Haystead - no idea what the "plan" was now.
Preparation at its finest :dan
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It was interesting seeing Marshall's response to being substituted.
A shrug of the shoulders and a glance at Haystead - no idea what the "plan" was now.
Preparation at its finest :dan
MAYBE drury was looking after marshalls well being after recovering from a virus.
I thought he had a very good game and will be playing TUE.for sure.
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Players are not going to criticise their manager publicly because they will be shown the door so he can say they fully support him without fear of contradiction, but I do wonder what they think of this feller. Players need confidence in their manager but I feel that is missing from the team.
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Players are not going to criticise their manager publicly because they will be shown the door so he can say they fully support him without fear of contradiction, but I do wonder what they think of this feller. Players need confidence in their manager but I feel that is missing from the team.
I think the players look of dejection when leaving the field told us a lot more than the managers post-match bluster .
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It was interesting seeing Marshall's response to being substituted.
A shrug of the shoulders and a glance at Haystead - no idea what the "plan" was now.
Preparation at its finest :dan
MAYBE drury was looking after marshalls well being after recovering from a virus.
I thought he had a very good game and will be playing TUE.for sure.
At right back then, or is that too radical?
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I thought our 4 best players were off the pace 2 day that being ross milnes swd newsham.
maybe we will see ross back in the middle with milnes on tue.
fairclough in place of swd maybe
lets not forgett we had 3 atempts cleared off the line. we should have put them out of sight firsthalf
its not the team i would wont to start next season and it wont be we all no that.
"Ross , Milnes , SWD and Newsham our best players " , pity none of GD signings could justify
being included in that statement .!
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Certainly cant argue with that
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It was interesting seeing Marshall's response to being substituted.
A shrug of the shoulders and a glance at Haystead - no idea what the "plan" was now.
Preparation at its finest :dan
MAYBE drury was looking after marshalls well being after recovering from a virus.
I thought he had a very good game and will be playing TUE.for sure.
At right back then, or is that too radical?
More likely to see him on the left wing or in goal!!
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So everyone's glossing over the budget cut, then?
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So everyone's glossing over the budget cut, then?
The budget was "X" and satisfactory according to Mr Drury at the time he took over. Anything that happened afterwards is down to the manager, ie results. It's like saying the driver of a car isn't responsible when he/she drives into a ditch, excuse being they were only sitting behind the wheel. Perhaps they would also claim they had no control over the condition of the tyres because they had spent to money on replacing seat covers that didn't need replacing. After the crash of course, there is the cost of straightening out the car, hence the cuts.
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So everyone's glossing over the budget cut, then?
The budget was "X" and satisfactory according to Mr Drury at the time he took over. Anything that happened afterwards is down to the manager, ie results. It's like saying the driver of a car isn't responsible when he/she drives into a ditch, excuse being they were only sitting behind the wheel. Perhaps they would also claim they had no control over the condition of the tyres because they had spent to money on replacing seat covers that didn't need replacing. After the crash of course, there is the cost of straightening out the car, hence the cuts.
This was cut after and came from above Drury. Drury can only spend what he his given and if you release players to make funds to use then have them removed in a cut i think id be pissed of but nobody realises that bit yet
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So everyone's glossing over the budget cut, then?
The budget was "X" and satisfactory according to Mr Drury at the time he took over. Anything that happened afterwards is down to the manager, ie results. It's like saying the driver of a car isn't responsible when he/she drives into a ditch, excuse being they were only sitting behind the wheel. Perhaps they would also claim they had no control over the condition of the tyres because they had spent to money on replacing seat covers that didn't need replacing. After the crash of course, there is the cost of straightening out the car, hence the cuts.
This was cut after and came from above Drury. Drury can only spend what he his given and if you release players to make funds to use then have them removed in a cut i think id be pissed of but nobody realises that bit yet
What do the club say it has been reduced by Bostonshire ?
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Around 20% GHM
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Well I think thats less than attendances have been cut, which must be nearer 30%.
Another budget cut on its way I think.
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Well I think thats less than attendances have been cut, which must be nearer 30%.
Another budget cut on its way I think.
Its got to be done next season as we arnt getting the cash from newton next year
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Well I think thats less than attendances have been cut, which must be nearer 30%.
Another budget cut on its way I think.
This season's avg attendance is, thus far, 12% down on last year's.
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Well I think thats less than attendances have been cut, which must be nearer 30%.
Another budget cut on its way I think.
This season's avg attendance is, thus far, 12% down on last year's.
Have a read on the below webpage regarding attendances.
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/New-Boston-United-manager-Graham-Drury-sets/story-17620403-detail/story.html#axzz2MWTA56lQ
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Well I think thats less than attendances have been cut, which must be nearer 30%.
Another budget cut on its way I think.
This season's avg attendance is, thus far, 12% down on last year's.
Have a read on the below webpage regarding attendances.
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/New-Boston-United-manager-Graham-Drury-sets/story-17620403-detail/story.html#axzz2MWTA56lQ
Everyone should read this!
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've just wasted two minutes reading it and a now asking myself why I bothered? We ll remember these words, and what seem like hollow promises or idealistic boasts and these words might come back to haunt him
However, if and at this stage it is if, his 'agreed' budget has been cut and again "if" it has been cut as much as the 20% suggested, pesonally my whole mind set about him, would change and turn once again full circle
It started off as excitement, then went, to give him time, then oh get real, then onto total ambivalence, passed last week by, who gives a toss, back to, now my anger has died down and Mrs G's breakfast will again be made he's our manager we have to support him.
If this alleged budget cut has been made, and I dearly would love someone more informed than I to confirm it one way or the other, then my unequivocal support will go flying back in his direction, as an agreement has to be uniateral.
my concern however is that no cuts have been made and we simply stink at the moment!
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Is Drury not kind of making his own Budget ? When he was interviewed for the postion did he inform Mr Newton that we would double the gate? the same as he told us supporters. With gates on the downward slide since his appointment, can he really be that surprised that his budget has been cut. He cant have it both ways!
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At the end of the day its just a challange, United as a club with its fantastic fans (sometimes) and the staff within the club have always overcome the setbacks thrown its way and i still think again we will overcome them if we all stick together.
Boston united is more a family
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Is Drury not kind of making his own Budget ? When he was interviewed for the postion did he inform Mr Newton that we would double the gate? the same as he told us supporters. With gates on the downward slide since his appointment, can he really be that surprised that his budget has been cut. He cant have it both ways!
No sir he isn't and I am afraid thats simply not how things work at all. If a manager, any manager says he wants to or even more emphatic,says he will double the gates,it is a wish, a desire. The same as suggesting that a budget is good enough for the play offs, it is a metaphor, not a written contract condition
All new managers go through this rhetoric designed for one purpose, to please people like us. A player might say I've signed for the manager, or the manager sold me the club, or the club is a sleeping giant, and I defintely wanted to be part of it. Frankly all of it is cliched nonsense right up there with timelss classics like it was a game of two halves
Would a manager ever get a job, if he even whispered, I think with that budget we will get relegated? Of course he wouldn't
"We are away at Chester we have no chance, I dont know why we are even bothering going!" That would go down a storm with the supporters wouldn't it?
If Drury had won say just two more games, would it mean that gates were guaranteed to rise? Of course it wouldn't. If gates had risen by the same relatively small percentage they have dropped since his arrival, would the chairman automatically give him extra money for the budget, again the answer is very doubtful. Attendances whilst vital are not on there own a measuring stick for how well a team is doing. We could have had Halifax and Chester on a sunny saturday afternoon and the attendances no doubt would have been far more than 1000 which would then paint different picture, but it wouldn't be down to Drury either just circumstances.
"If" the budget has been cut after it was previously agreed that in my eyes would be wrong
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I did have a read and what it said to me was if you say what prospective employers like to hear then you are likely to get the job. Surely if you want someone to take you further then you need to have seen evidence of that. I personally would have appointed someone from a slightly higher league with a proven success rate. I would have thought paying more to get one person of superior quality is cheaper than buying a management team of mediocre ability.
A great last line from Bostonshire. Stirs the blood.
As for BGs post, got to agree. At the end of the day bullshit is the winner until the boss gets fed up with hearing it.
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But saying what you think the interviewer wants to hear is surely the norm for any job interview, isn't it?
I too would have dearly loved to have seen someone appointed from a higher league, but again, the catch 22 is would if this happened their own financial aspirations and even more relevant those of the players they are understandably more au fait with, ie Conference variety prevent such managrs even applying
Could also be why the words, desire to win,ambition, want to achieve and all those interview buzz words are important contributory factors in the selection process?
Shouldn't belike that, but it is what it is
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Chairman have to appoint and use some form of criteria when making a new appointment. If the Chairman has bought into what the interviewee has stated, and allows him to go public with some bold statements as to suggest he is the 2nd coming and will turn water in wine ( or in this case double the gates). Then he surely will be looking very closely at these bold statements he has made. Play-off push, The Chairman must be asking if he has made the correct call. Would you not think ?
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Also known as bullshitting?
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Is Drury not kind of making his own Budget ? When he was interviewed for the postion did he inform Mr Newton that we would double the gate? the same as he told us supporters. With gates on the downward slide since his appointment, can he really be that surprised that his budget has been cut. He cant have it both ways!
No sir he isn't and I am afraid thats simply not how things work at all. If a manager, any manager says he wants to or even more emphatic,says he will double the gates,it is a wish, a desire. The same as suggesting that a budget is good enough for the play offs, it is a metaphor, not a written contract condition
All new managers go through this rhetoric designed for one purpose, to please people like us. A player might say I've signed for the manager, or the manager sold me the club, or the club is a sleeping giant, and I defintely wanted to be part of it. Frankly all of it is cliched nonsense right up there with timelss classics like it was a game of two halves
Would a manager ever get a job, if he even whispered, I think with that budget we will get relegated? Of course he wouldn't
"We are away at Chester we have no chance, I dont know why we are even bothering going!" That would go down a storm with the supporters wouldn't it?
If Drury had won say just two more games, would it mean that gates were guaranteed to rise? Of course it wouldn't. If gates had risen by the same relatively small percentage they have dropped since his arrival, would the chairman automatically give him extra money for the budget, again the answer is very doubtful. Attendances whilst vital are not on there own a measuring stick for how well a team is doing. We could have had Halifax and Chester on a sunny saturday afternoon and the attendances no doubt would have been far more than 1000 which would then paint different picture, but it wouldn't be down to Drury either just circumstances.
"If" the budget has been cut after it was previously agreed that in my eyes would be wrong
Wise words from a old timer ,
Will Mrs B be "over the moon " or as "sick as a parrot " on Sunday breakfast time ?
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Is Drury not kind of making his own Budget ? When he was interviewed for the postion did he inform Mr Newton that we would double the gate? the same as he told us supporters. With gates on the downward slide since his appointment, can he really be that surprised that his budget has been cut. He cant have it both ways!
No sir he isn't and I am afraid thats simply not how things work at all. If a manager, any manager says he wants to or even more emphatic,says he will double the gates,it is a wish, a desire. The same as suggesting that a budget is good enough for the play offs, it is a metaphor, not a written contract condition
All new managers go through this rhetoric designed for one purpose, to please people like us. A player might say I've signed for the manager, or the manager sold me the club, or the club is a sleeping giant, and I defintely wanted to be part of it. Frankly all of it is cliched nonsense right up there with timelss classics like it was a game of two halves
Would a manager ever get a job, if he even whispered, I think with that budget we will get relegated? Of course he wouldn't
"We are away at Chester we have no chance, I dont know why we are even bothering going!" That would go down a storm with the supporters wouldn't it?
If Drury had won say just two more games, would it mean that gates were guaranteed to rise? Of course it wouldn't. If gates had risen by the same relatively small percentage they have dropped since his arrival, would the chairman automatically give him extra money for the budget, again the answer is very doubtful. Attendances whilst vital are not on there own a measuring stick for how well a team is doing. We could have had Halifax and Chester on a sunny saturday afternoon and the attendances no doubt would have been far more than 1000 which would then paint different picture, but it wouldn't be down to Drury either just circumstances.
"If" the budget has been cut after it was previously agreed that in my eyes would be wrong
Wise words from a old timer ,
Will Mrs B be "over the moon " or as "sick as a parrot " on Sunday breakfast time ?
Who knows but as it is my day off have promised Mrs G a portion of home made bubble and squeak to accompany her 'well done' bacon, organic eggs and Morrisons finest Pork sauages on Wednesday morning. That bsaid if we dont win soon she will probably develop anerexia!
Football has a lot to answer for! ;D
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Let's hope the Chairman re visits the previous applicants and gives to the man who was runner up
Last time when the job went to Drury.
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I thought Drury was second?
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Dennis Greene already appointed until the end of season
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Welcome Mr Greene. Sort the mess out Dennis.
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Welcome Mr Greene. Sort the mess out Dennis.
Amen
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Hi BG. All this talk of food makes me feel hungry, although I would just be happy with a 'portion' if you know what I mean. ;)
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That pritty much put this thread to bed.