yep agree with you Wayne, think mid table is our only realistic chance this season, not wanting to be pessimistic but as has been said on other threads were lacking a bit of quality in defence, could be in for some cracking games this season, a case of can we score more than we let in as we look more than capable going forward, shore up the defence and I might change my opinion to a play off spot, as always though get behind the team no matter how were doing.