Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: father Ted on July 02, 2017, 12:18:30 PM
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With time to go to KO , a little stato exercise
How soon into season does the approx league position tie in where you finish ?
I think its earler than you think..was it 15th last term ?
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Last day of the season
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I always think the first 8 games shape your season.
If you've picked up anything like 12-15 points, then you should be in decent shape for a reasonably successful campaign. 15-20 from these games is a bonus, and would likely mean play-off football if it could be maintained. Anything less than 8-10 and you're normally in for a long season.
It does depend on the fixture computer as much as anything, and how well the new squad gel in preseason, as even a squad of stars hasn't necessarily learnt to play as a team in the early stages.
All this hypothesy doesn't always follow, and someone usually creeps up the league after a poor start (BPA for example) and someone usually falls away from a good start (Harrogate for example), but 8 games is my shout for a season setting indication.
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I think 12-15 points after 8 games is a fair target and would be acceptable by all supporters .
Get to the end of December and 2 points out of the play-offs AM honeymoon period will be over, we will see the usual suspects demanding "sack the manager the season is over "
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I think we will have a better season than last year but I'd be surprised if we are in the play offs or able to get promoted as mr Murray has claimed he wants in interviews.
Flirting with the play offs will be good enough (but only just for me)after all there will be no excuses as this will be totally a team built by Murray with a hell of a lot of forced changes behind the scenes to make his vision possible along the way.
I agree a points return of 12-15 from the opening 8 games would be good.
As for his style of play I do hope we are more attractive at home but continue with murrays cautious approach when on the road.
Looking forward to seeing the lads gel now in pre season.
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I think 12-15 points after 8 games is a fair target and would be acceptable by all supporters .
Get to the end of December and 2 points out of the play-offs AM honeymoon period will be over, we will see the usual suspects demanding "sack the manager the season is over "
Come on Pete me old mate, , there is enough doom and gloom about over bloody brexit, without predicting the same for our new manager over the teams position in the league round about Christmas , be positive man, let the man get on with the job of turning this football clubs performances around on the pitch, even Alex Ferguson on our budget would struggle to do it instantly , sniping about what some of the fans will do or not do is not helpful, I personally think AM will do a good job as our manager, I'm sure he won't get mixed up with posting on twatter like DG did, that was his downfall in the end, it's so easy nowadays for trolls to prosper on the internet, not that I'm saying your a troll Pete , I enjoy reading most of your posts and other posts on this medium, let's all have an enjoyable and happy season watching AM turn this teams efforts into reality on the pitch and in the stands also, Good health to you Pete, and good luck to the pilgrims this season, on and off the pitch.
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By the end of January we should know if we are going to challenge for promotion, play offs.
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I think 12-15 points after 8 games is a fair target and would be acceptable by all supporters .
Get to the end of December and 2 points out of the play-offs AM honeymoon period will be over, we will see the usual suspects demanding "sack the manager the season is over "
Come on Pete me old mate, , there is enough doom and gloom about over bloody brexit, without predicting the same for our new manager over the teams position in the league round about Christmas , be positive man, let the man get on with the job of turning this football clubs performances around on the pitch, even Alex Ferguson on our budget would struggle to do it instantly , sniping about what some of the fans will do or not do is not helpful, I personally think AM will do a good job as our manager, I'm sure he won't get mixed up
with posting on twatter like DG did, that was his downfall in the end, it's so easy nowadays for trolls to prosper on the internet, not that I'm saying your a troll Pete , I enjoy reading most of your posts and other posts on this medium, let's all have an enjoyable and happy season watching AM turn this teams efforts into reality on the pitch and in the stands also, Good health to you Pete, and good luck to the pilgrims this season, on and off the pitch.
With a new team 12-15 points from the first 8 games is a good return as expressed by others on here , a good return to start to build on for a good season . Doom and gloom ? I got accused of being too optimistic on here a couple of days ago for predicting the play-offs . We've done it before and we can do it again .
I'll come on Spayne Terrace early season to cheer you up Ken .
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I think we will not make the playoffs, as this is just a season for AM to build a title challenging team for next season.
I like what AM is doing on and off the field, it screams professionalism to me.
This season will be better than the last one, but I am being cautious here and don't want to get ahead of myself.
I truly hope we are going to be play off material and we may well be, but I feel there is a bigger picture here to look at,and that is one of good times ahead, but not just yet.
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yc69 i agree with your last post a professional cautious approach but a touch more expansive when playing at home will do for me.
Afterall we all want to be entertained.
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I think we will not make the playoffs, as this is just a season for AM to build a title challenging team for next season.
I like what AM is doing on and off the field, it screams professionalism to me.
This season will be better than the last one, but I am being cautious here and don't want to get ahead of myself.
I truly hope we are going to be play off material and we may well be, but I feel there is a bigger picture here to look at,and that is one of good times ahead, but not just yet.
Much logic in your post chubby , but ceamboy is right lets have less doom and gloom . With play-offs expanded to 7th place and the more professional organisation of the field 7th place is a modest target .
Good in theory building a team for next season but that often backfires as we found out , the best players you have planned to build on move to higher clubs . Same for last seasons runners up Kiddy , they have lost key players and are having to start from scratch almost .
Too much fear over the 5 full-time clubs , Nuneaton do it on the cheap without making a real impact . Kiddys squad has been ravaged by other clubs , and Harrogate are .......well Simon Weaver and dad .
York and Salford leave the likes of us 5 places to play for , surely we have to make at least 7th place .
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Yes GHM less doom and gloom, but I do feel positive though, we need to get behind this team from the off this season, they are going to need us, so let's start with this Saturday a big turn out is just what is required.
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Looking at the first 8 games now the fixtures are out I think the 12 -15 points target looks very achievable .
Southport (A) first match and Kiddy (A) plus Chorley at home will be tough matches , the remaining 5 should all be winnable .
Anything less than 12 points will be a poor return , 15 or over will be an excellent start .
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Almost there now with the squad and I am amazed at some of the negative comments /predictions .
Overall picture , a seemingly more professional set-up . Not sure if Adam is full-time or not but it's been suggested on here that he is .
Great move making the team midland based near motorway giving an improved recruitment area , also reduced travelling for players making signing for BUFC a more attractive proposition .
Three training sessions a week means improved performances and fitness .
Those harping on about Salfords wealth should count our blessing of £100k a year from Chestnuts , most teams in our league would be grateful for that .
Squad, so far it includes 3 players we have paid a fee for , and 3 players who at the commencement of last season were playing together in a League 2 team .
We have 3 strikers , one who reportedly turned down higher league club offers , another who runners up Kiddy was desperate to keep but was tempted to Boston , plus Gregg Smith . Add to that a promising England C midfielder and I think the basics are there for a great season . It looks that Chestnuts have given AM an acceptable budget to assemble a team .
Apart from Salford and York I see no other daunting treats , the other F/T teams will be no greater threat than part-timers NFU and Guiseley have been in the past . Third place is achievable .
I'm going to be cautious and predict a forth place finish . surely we will do better than 7th .
As for "just missing out " can be justified as acceptable beggars belief in my mind .
Time for fans , manager and players to pull together and get a successful show on the pitch .
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Agree GHM, you've identified good reasons why we can have a successful season!
There has been much hard work done pre season from chairman down to fans who have mucked in & spruced the ground up.
AM & several players have talked about the passionate Boston support & how much it lifts them so let's turn out again & be our 12th man!
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Here are Boston United's league position plots for the last few seasons.
2016/17
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2015/16
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2014/15
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2013/14
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2012/13
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2011/12
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2010/11
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2009/10
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2008/09
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2007/08
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A fair few ups and downs over the seasons, so not quite as bad as Grand Prix races that seem to be determined at the first corner nowadays. :)
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Thanks Ken ..
Maybe a correlation .. as discussed .. late Sept to season end , but who knows ???
Interesting ..very .
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Guess it seems Boston can't afford to contract more decent forwards , so its loans or a punt on lower leagues .
Remaining pre season has little fan relevance , save for the downside of possible injuries ..
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Guess it seems Boston can't afford to contract more decent forwards , so its loans or a punt on lower leagues .
Remaining pre season has little fan relevance , save for the downside of possible injuries ..
"a punt on lower leagues " surely not another Southwell , Miller type signing ! ;)
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CN qtr 1
Posn 17th 11pts 13 : 20
Median position by points a win shy of half-way .
I feel a budget busting loan in of defenders would be fruitful
eg 11th Bradford 13:12 15pts
regards
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Another loss .
Worryingly Boston now have 2nd worse goals against of 22 clubs .
Tomorrows games unlikely to push Boston into relegation places .
Haughmond Saturday ,maybe AM will be sweating ::) on blooding back up and u 21 u18 players .
Regards to all .
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Agree GHM, you've identified good reasons why we can have a successful season!
There has been much hard work done pre season from chairman down to fans who have mucked in & spruced the ground up.
AM & several players have talked about the passionate Boston support & how much it lifts them so let's turn out again & be our 12th man!
I hope Adam can figure out how he has lost "the passionate " support of the fans .
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Yesterday's gate was low because it was all pay, season ticket holders won't come out to play on these days. Even when Dennis was here. Remember Dereham town September a couple of seasons ago 836.
It's a fact and not just at Boston gates are always low until you get further in.
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Yes Tash you are correct, that is always the case, I don't know why really.
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Its been that way for a long time now, even back in the 1980's gates were always lower in the early rounds for ties against the smaller clubs.
And that's before the club had a culture of season ticket holders.
My view is if I'm in town and there's a game on I generally go, I'm not too fussed about the opposition but I did think £15 was steep on Saturday to watch that level of opposition. Not blaming the club but you can see why 300 regulars didn't go.
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I'm a OAP season ticket holder which works out at about £7 per match , with this like other S/T holders I turn up habitually every match and taking a normal overall season it presents in my opinion value for money .
On Saturday I turned up and paid the normal £11 admission fully knowing it may not be the best of games .
On leaving the game and being reminded of the £11 admission I speculated would a pensioner on a basic pension return now knowing the very poor quality of the product on offer . My guess is they would find it hard to justify spending a sizable part of their pension .
Same applies to the many loyal low paid supporters .
Unless better entertainment is produced the gates will continue to decline .
Imperative we have an outstanding cup run to get the now declining numbers back .
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It was a poor attendance, and I don't expect it to be much better on Saturday, especially if we don't win tomorrow night.
I don't find our football entertaining at all, I only continue going to support the club, to be honest if I didn't love this club so much, I wouldn't bother.
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At the moment supporting BUFC is a labour of love, its not pleasurable but its a habit.
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The football is awful to watch.
I know a few season ticket holders who wouldn't bother going had they not been holders - and in the past would have arranged their holidays not to clash with home matches - but that no longer matters this season.
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At the moment supporting BUFC is a labour of love, its not pleasurable but its a habit.
Well I can't fault you there, but I do agree with you, that the current team does marginally have more quality than last season.
But God it needs some work, and a striker.
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At the moment supporting BUFC is a labour of love, its not pleasurable but its a habit.
Well I can't fault you there, but I do agree with you, that the current team does marginally have more quality than last season.
But God it needs some work, and a striker.
Not sure about the quality bit chubby , but you are 100% correct about a striker .
Newsham , Miller and Southwell played in teams that had a few weak links but a 25 goals a season striker more than compensates at our level . There's Adams key to success , produce a striker of that calibre .
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Its the reason to Greene's durability, the ability to find that 25 goal a season man. Fair play to him, although Newsh was here already.
Last season showed how much we relied on that crucial denominator and also exposed Greene as being bang average without that key man.
I still believe if we'd offered Garner anything like decent terms and kept him we'd not have struggled half as much as we did, he was pivotal to Halifax's success last season.
But its history now....whats gone is gone.
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Is it really that hard hard to find a decent striker, other clubs do it,and in lower leagues.
Perhaps the problem is that Adam doesn't let a partnership develop before he changes it again, surely it's time to try Waite and Kaba up front from the off, with Jay and Ash on the wing's, to give us width.
Manager's of today seem scared to play 4-4-2 anymore, we have to play continental formations.
Then if all fails bring on Greg and use his height to feed the strikes, but they need to play closer to him.
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Is it really that hard hard to find a decent striker, other clubs do it,and in lower leagues.
Perhaps the problem is that Adam doesn't let a partnership develop before he changes it again, surely it's time to try Waite and Kaba up front from the off, with Jay and Ash on the wing's, to give us width.
Manager's of today seem scared to play 4-4-2 anymore, we have to play continental formations.
Then if all fails bring on Greg and use his height to feed the strikes, but they need to play closer to him.
And swap Chapman with Hawley- his distribution is far better than Chapman. But will Murray admit that Chapman isn't the best midfielder in the league?
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Yes I can see the logic in that ,but Hawley would probably tire after 60minutes, me I would try Clifton in their alongside Vince or Thomas.
Leave Chapman out at the start, replace Clifton with Beatson,Hare or Chapman.
Clifton for me is a good player and he his quick minded, and is not scared to shoot when he gets forward.
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Its the reason to Greene's durability, the ability to find that 25 goal a season man. Fair play to him, although Newsh was here already.
Last season showed how much we relied on that crucial denominator and also exposed Greene as being bang average without that key man.
I still believe if we'd offered Garner anything like decent terms and kept him we'd not have struggled half as much as we did, he was pivotal to Halifax's success last season.
But its history now....whats gone is gone.
Many managers over the years at many levels of football have been exposed when losing a 25 goals a season striker and you are right Andy one such victim was Greene . Another asset he had was access to quality loans i.e Sunderland .
When Greene came Newsham was over the hill probably due to injuries and did not make a big contribution . Greene spotted what other managers missed . Signed Miller who had previously been deemed not good enough for the Unibond by S&H. Southwell had a months loan at Harrogate and only scored one goal a pen against Boston . Did Simon Weaver spot his potential ? no . Did any other NC manager spot his potential apart from Greene ? no .
There's the benchmark for spotting strikers , go for it Adam .
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Greene didnt spot Southwell. He was advised to him by Rob Scott who contacted Greene when Grimsby let him go as Rob felt he had more to offer otherwise he would have slipped the net
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We have always had decent strikers at this club up until last season, so what's gone wrong,is it purely down to money or bad scouting,I don't know what it is.
Is our budget not big enough or are we spending to much on other players and coaches.
If you include Hawley we have 3 in the dug out, and 4 on Saturday with Bunny being there.
Didn't we have 2 before under previous management.
If I had to let people go at the moment to free up funds for a decent striker, the following would be released, the coach that no one knows, Maguire as we never use him, Hare doesn't seem to fit in anywhere, and the most controversial choice is Smithy, he is not fit and his disciplinary record is awful he nearly got his marching orders again on Saturday, and if that tackle he went for in front of me had connected, it would have been bye bye again.
I like Greg very much but the lad is struggling and needs a period away on loan somewhere to get him fit and focused.
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Greene didnt spot Southwell. He was advised to him by Rob Scott who contacted Greene when Grimsby let him go as Rob felt he had more to offer otherwise he would have slipped the net
Good for Scotty , Well done to Greene for taking up the offer and seeing Southwell through to league football .
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We have always had decent strikers at this club up until last season, so what's gone wrong,is it purely down to money or bad scouting,I don't know what it is.
Is our budget not big enough or are we spending to much on other players and coaches.
If you include Hawley we have 3 in the dug out, and 4 on Saturday with Bunny being there.
Didn't we have 2 before under previous management.
If I had to let people go at the moment to free up funds for a decent striker, the following would be released, the coach that no one knows, Maguire as we never use him, Hare doesn't seem to fit in anywhere, and the most controversial choice is Smithy, he is not fit and his disciplinary record is awful he nearly got his marching orders again on Saturday, and if that tackle he went for in front of me had connected, it would have been bye bye again.
I like Greg very much but the lad is struggling and needs a period away on loan somewhere to get him fit and focused.
With me sitting in the main stand it is always interesting to hear the observations of Spayne Terrace spectators chubby , Fully agree with your comments but I suggest that maybe it will not adhered to fully . I believe AM will release a couple of players and use the money to extend the home dugout :)
As for strikers I stand to be corrected but by my calculations of those signed by Adam have in the 34 games since his arrival have scored a grand total of 9 goals between them .
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DG's win percentage was 45% during his entire 173 match tenure. AM's (after 34 games) is 29.4%. Both managers inherited 'poor performing' squads and had to manage them through to the end of the respective seasons. Starting the following seasons afresh, after the first 12 games, DG had a win percentage of 58%. AM's equivalent is 25%.
This is the fairest comparison I can see between the two managers. If we continue as we are then we will be very fortunate to avoid relegation. Lowestoft were relegated with 46 points in 2016.
TEP
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Yes it's a fair comparison TEP & it's alarming! AM has to change it tactically & shuffle the pack he keeps saying these are good players but at present they don't look it. We need energy, creativity & mobility in midfield & the ball passed about on the deck. Haughmond will be right up for it tomorrow night & we need to be too. Surely AM has to ring the changes play hawley attacking midfield, Waite centre forward & jack Thomas holdin m/f, give chapman a rest. A set of tough fixtures awaits something better change.
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Yes it's a fair comparison TEP & it's alarming! AM has to change it tactically & shuffle the pack he keeps saying these are good players but at present they don't look it. We need energy, creativity & mobility in midfield & the ball passed about on the deck. Haughmond will be right up for it tomorrow night & we need to be too. Surely AM has to ring the changes play hawley attacking midfield, Waite centre forward & jack Thomas holdin m/f, give chapman a rest. A set of tough fixtures awaits something better change.
i agree with all your points and suggestions. Sadly I think AM is so blinkered in his own methods, nothing will change, especially the results.
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Yes it's a fair comparison TEP & it's alarming! AM has to change it tactically & shuffle the pack he keeps saying these are good players but at present they don't look it. We need energy, creativity & mobility in midfield & the ball passed about on the deck. Haughmond will be right up for it tomorrow night & we need to be too. Surely AM has to ring the changes play hawley attacking midfield, Waite centre forward & jack Thomas holdin m/f, give chapman a rest. A set of tough fixtures awaits something better change.
i agree with all your points and suggestions. Sadly I think AM is so blinkered in his own methods, nothing will change, especially the results.
After 34 games fair to say vast majority of fans agree with the comments on AM inflexibility , seems he is still blind to the fact it will not work . If the message does not sink in before 6.45 tonight I think our cup run and Adams managerial career is doomed .
Sorry to Champs for being picky ....but hasn't Chapman been resting all season ? :D
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Not picky GHM a fair assessment of what he's produced so far this season. I should have said give us a rest. its strange how a midfielder with 112 recent apps in league 2 can have such minimal impact for us? I spoke to stags fans at alfreton last season who said he was a "skilful playmaker", he could pick a pass & had vision. Sadly all we've seen of him is someone who sits in front of the back 7 and directs traffic. I mean if he has got these attributes why have we not seen them is it due to the defensive role the manager has given him?
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think the mystery man in the dug out is dave macarthy the keeper coach. also ex mansfield
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think the mystery man in the dug out is dave macarthy the keeper coach. also ex mansfield
I reckon our greater needs is a midfield coach - perhaps Mansfield have a spare one....
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think the mystery man in the dug out is dave macarthy the keeper coach. also ex mansfield
I reckon our greater needs is a midfield coach - perhaps Mansfield have a spare one....
why a midfield coach we don't play with a midfield
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think the mystery man in the dug out is dave macarthy the keeper coach. also ex mansfield
I reckon our greater needs is a midfield coach - perhaps Mansfield have a spare one....
why a midfield coach we don't play with a midfield
Exactly! !!
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Oct 22 2017 1/3 of League played .
20th . .3 pts off 18th . . lost 4 from 5 .
Actually goal deficits of 'relegation' clubs not too bad (Ferriby except ) .
Goal 'surplus of 'promo' clubs somewhat better . . money talks .
I feel the Owner of BUFC may find some more cash somehow ..but dont think AM will be the recipient . ???