Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: shinnster on March 24, 2012, 06:38:27 PM
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Is that one defeat to many then even though we had more of the play and I question why spence was brought off in such a crucial game can we still do the play oFfs I havnt seen outher results but I fear that's it someone tell me I'm wrong please
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You genuinely thought this lot would make the play offs?
Dear oh dear......
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Well you thought we'd get sucked into a relegation battle.
Dear oh dear...
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Last season to make 5th place a team would have needed 77 points from a 42 game season. It's much closer this season with the bottom sides much more competitive and the top sides not so dominant. A few weeks ago I'd have said 71-72 points would be needed but now I think 5th will probably end up on 67 or 68. So for us to stnad any chance we'd need to win 5 and draw 2 as a minimum.
We've not put 3 wins on the bounce together all season so can't see it myself but until it's mathematically impossible there's always a chance ;)
As for N40's question:
Start of the season with the front line we had - no thought we'd be nearer relegation.
10 games in no change still thought we'd struggle bottom half
By Christmas there was real improvement and I thought we'd flirt with play-offs but ultimately end mid-table
Since we went out to Dartford in the Trophy we've looked every bit play-off material, with a bit of luck (which we haven't had) we could have made a much more sustained challenge but ultimately we have payed the price for poor results and some poor signings at the start of the season.
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We can look at it positively, we were so far from the play offs at christmas yet we got very close, only worcester had bettrr form.
I imagine that if we had this team all season we'd we well in the play offs by now.
I hope that Sir David and the managers see this and tied down all the players, baring hall. And also bring in a new keeper and a couple of solid centre backs, as much as ward and stainfield are for the future they aren't quite good enough for a promotion pushing team, they are sloppy and lots of sloppy goals have cost us
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I have to echo everything that Woad has said about this season, sharing my views except for Worcester away which was truly awful but a mere blip
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Well you thought we'd get sucked into a relegation battle.
Dear oh dear...
Fair enough, but by the same token this season cannot be classed as anything other than a massive disappointment. Mid table and never ever even being close to the play offs is nowhere near good enough.
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I agree Townender. Ward + Nathan S are not up to the job. They are good when the ball is coming in the air to them but look terribly exposed when the ball is played over the top and behind them.
The second Droylsden goal yesterday was dreadful defending by Ward. It was really bad and I was fuming !
DL
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I agree Townender. Ward + Nathan S are not up to the job. They are good when the ball is coming in the air to them but look terribly exposed when the ball is played over the top and behind them.
The second Droylsden goal yesterday was dreadful defending by Ward. It was really bad and I was fuming !
DL
I disagree....agreed it was poor defending by Ward yesterday,but the pair of them are learning (hopefully anyway ) all the time.....nobody plays a perfect game every week and it's a team effort....if you keep comparing them with Pearson then you are perhaps right......but I would say that they are up to the job but just need to get a bit more streetwise and perhaps only one of them should start alongside a more experienced defender....
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I think Liam Parker is the best CB we have, its just a shame he has been injured all season. Him and Ward next season could possibly tighten the backline up a bit
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Johnny,
There was a game at York Street a few weeks ago when the opposition could have had four goals in the first eight minutes as a resut of playing balls over the top. I'm not comparing the current pairing to Pearson - it's just basic defending. I'm not saying they are rubbish, they just aren't up to the job if we have expectations of play-offs etc. Both were much better when White was playing alongside but at the moment we look horribly exposed and rarely keep a clean sheet.
DL
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I think Liam Parker is the best CB we have, its just a shame he has been injured all season. Him and Ward next season could possibly tighten the backline up a bit
It's a pity Austin hasn't produced last seasons form.....he always seems injured...is he BUFCs answer to Ledley King??
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Stainfield had a good game and Ward had a shocker that's all that needs saying. It happens. Both lads were playing Lincs league last year give them a chance, I for one want to see keen young lads being brought through, everybody is quick to moan when a 30 odd year old is brought in complaining "This is not the future".
I am still completely baffled why Spence was subbed, He had just laid on the ball for Ross to score the goal of the season and was terrifying their defence. It appeared that the managers thought a draw was okay otherwise it should have been Newsham off as he missed two sitters, a pathetically tame header and an attempted lob over a 7ft goalkeeper from 2 yards. We would and should have gone on to win the game, but I am afraid that one shocking substitution put a question mark against the managers judgement and cost us dearly.
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Stainfield had a good game and Ward had a shocker that's all that needs saying. It happens. Both lads were playing Lincs league last year give them a chance, I for one want to see keen young lads being brought through, everybody is quick to moan when a 30 odd year old is brought in complaining "This is not the future".
Agreed. They will improve as a pair, other games it's been Stainsfield that's been at fault but last couple of games he's been om it whilst Ward has looked shaky.
I am still completely baffled why Spence was subbed, He had just laid on the ball for Ross to score the goal of the season and was terrifying their defence. It appeared that the managers thought a draw was okay otherwise it should have been Newsham off as he missed two sitters, a pathetically tame header and an attempted lob over a 7ft goalkeeper from 2 yards. We would and should have gone on to win the game, but I am afraid that one shocking substitution put a question mark against the managers judgement and cost us dearly.
This I partly agree with, I thought both subs cost us. The first was Semple for Fairclough, they where preparing this just as we scored. Once the goal went in I personally expected them to hold fire for another 10 mins, I've seen this countless times by top managers holding a substitution when the team score. Fairclough was having a great game when he was taken off. Then as you say they took SWD off which was a crazy decision, as you rightly say Newsham wasn't have the best of games and should have been one of the subs to come off. Still like Stainsfield and Ward the managers are learning...
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As woad pilgrim states, quote "Still like Stainsfield and Ward the managers are learning" unquote . And losing vital matches which will cost the club extra money it could get from getting the team to the play-offs. I have quoted you correctly woad pilgrim, not like you did on my post , by stating I had said in my post I wanted to bring Old last pay check players into the squad, if you read my post correctly I said the squad needed two experienced players alongside our present players, that does not mean they need to be old, I call Ian Ross an experienced player, thats if you need the definition of old.
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As woad pilgrim states, quote "Still like Stainsfield and Ward the managers are learning" unquote . And losing vital matches which will cost the club extra money it could get from getting the team to the play-offs. I have quoted you correctly woad pilgrim, not like you did on my post , by stating I had said in my post I wanted to bring Old last pay check players into the squad, if you read my post correctly I said the squad needed two experienced players alongside our present players, that does not mean they need to be old, I call Ian Ross an experienced player, thats if you need the definition of old.
No your original point was that JL was signing mates etc.
You then changed it to we need "experienced players"
You are still saying we need an experienced player alongside them and then say Ian Ross is 1. I'm sure I'm not the only 1 that can see the contradiction in that post :D :D :D
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You have qouted WP correctly ceamboy .
What other way is there for young managers and players to learn the job ?
The fact is you can hire a highly paid manager , give him a big budget and still win nothing
sending the finances down the pan.
Sure you recall two years ago Ken you showed the same lack of faith in S&H .
Newton like other chairmen has to pick managers who appear to have the potential to succed , give them time to learn the ropes and hope they deliver results .
That is unless anyone can give him a formula to pick a nailed on winner .
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That does seem to be pretty much that then ....
All in all a disappointing season thus far. Short of a miracle run in, that's pretty much our season over.
Think few will be happy - never really threatened to be a serious playoff contender at any point. And with a loyal following of over 1000 supporters I think we could have expected more. Many a poor performance with no real run put together at any point to suggest any real improvement has been made. Realistic ambition would have put us top six at the beginning of the season. There is a danger that mid table mediocre could become acceptable.
Whether we stay with the present management team is a open for much debate, some positives plenty of negatives.
Interesting off season ahead .....
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That does seem to be pretty much that then ....
All in all a disappointing season thus far. Short of a miracle run in, that's pretty much our season over.
Think few will be happy - never really threatened to be a serious playoff contender at any point. And with a loyal following of over 1000 supporters I think we could have expected more. Many a poor performance with no real run put together at any point to suggest any real improvement has been made. Realistic ambition would have put us top six at the beginning of the season. There is a danger that mid table mediocre could become acceptable.
Whether we stay with the present management team is a open for much debate, some positives plenty of negatives.
Interesting off season ahead .....
Excellent points well made....whether the club wants to push on that extra mile is open to debate, personally I think anything short of a minimum play off berth is selling the loyal and generous support well short.
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That does seem to be pretty much that then ....
All in all a disappointing season thus far. Short of a miracle run in, that's pretty much our season over.
Think few will be happy - never really threatened to be a serious playoff contender at any point. And with a loyal following of over 1000 supporters I think we could have expected more. Many a poor performance with no real run put together at any point to suggest any real improvement has been made. Realistic ambition would have put us top six at the beginning of the season. There is a danger that mid table mediocre could become acceptable.
Whether we stay with the present management team is a open for much debate, some positives plenty of negatives.
Interesting off season ahead .....
Excellent points well made....whether the club wants to push on that extra mile is open to debate, personally I think anything short of a minimum play off berth is selling the loyal and generous support well short.
Its not whether they want to, of course they do, its just a matter of whether they can. Every club in the country is looking for that someone who can put a promotion winning team together on very little money.
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The loyal support was down to 800 odd tonight disappointing after recent performances and good weather, obviously the champions league and fa cup games took their toll though.
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No Carl, the fact is the support has been let down time after time by a very average side this season and 300+ regulars have had enough of the same old failings. Its a carbon copy of the Tommy Taylor era where the same mistakes are made and lessons are not being learned.
Come on Utd, show the faithful you're serious about promotion or 841 gates will the norm, not the exception.
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Get in Newtons office in the morning N/F and tell him how to go that extra mile .
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That does seem to be pretty much that then ....
All in all a disappointing season thus far. Short of a miracle run in, that's pretty much our season over.
Think few will be happy - never really threatened to be a serious playoff contender at any point. And with a loyal following of over 1000 supporters I think we could have expected more. Many a poor performance with no real run put together at any point to suggest any real improvement has been made. Realistic ambition would have put us top six at the beginning of the season. There is a danger that mid table mediocre could become acceptable.
Whether we stay with the present management team is a open for much debate, some positives plenty of negatives.
Interesting off season ahead .....
I agree it's been a disappointing season but not sure what games you've been watching if you don't think the side has improved since the season started.
Also don't get how "there is a danger that mid table mediocre could become acceptable". A promotion winning season followed by a play-off defeat last year, now one season at mid-table and it's becoming acceptable? To who ???
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I think what DC is alluding to is the possibility that this could be the start of a prolonged period of mediocrity, a lot of us were around in the 80's and 90's where 2nd best was always good enough. No one wants a return to those days.
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Surely consolidating ready for another push was always the aim, therefore the season has been a relative success in terms of not having a appalling collapse after the break up of what was a very good side.
It's just strange for the season to peeter out to nothing, we're not used to it, we've had 15 years of racing up and down divisions where we've been scrapping for our lives or pushing for the top.
It's not about accepting mediocrity, it's about the fact that we can't have it all our way every year. Flirting with the playoffs for a few years and then being ready for promotion by slowly building (and not boom/bust) is the formula we should aim for. Keep it interesting each season, but without the risks involved in a massive push.
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No Carl, the fact is the support has been let down time after time by a very average side this season and 300+ regulars have had enough of the same old failings. Its a carbon copy of the Tommy Taylor era where the same mistakes are made and lessons are not being learned.
Come on Utd, show the faithful you're serious about promotion or 841 gates will the norm, not the exception.
...or it was a rearranged mid week evening game that those of us who live outside Lincolnshire, work shifts etc .....or perhaps those who couldn't get child sitters struggle to get to Stop assuming that your views (fact?) on the world must be assumed by other people.
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We'll see a week on Saturday how many have given up for the season, midweeks are tricky for a lot of us but I doubt we'll see 1000+ in again this season, unless Grimity surprise me!
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I was one of those that thought Tom Ward had a poor game at Droylsden and said so on here. I also said that subbing Spence was an unbelievable decision by our managers. However, smacking Toms wrist by dropping him and bringing in Austin was yet another error, as it meant Stainfield moving to accommodate him and causing an imbalance at the back. Poor decision making. Also, two penalties by Newsh only covered up his three unbelievable misses in the last two games.
Very disappointing but will be there for rest of the season where I hope to see some positive planning for next season.
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Putting Austin in was correct, maybe right footed Ward should have partnered him. Two left footed centre backs didn't help the balance of the team.
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Rumour in the stand was that Ward was passed over as he had such a bad game at Worcester against their No 9 who bullied him all the game - just like last night!!!
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Interesting comments. But I fail to see how this season has been a rebuilding one.
At this level we don't sign players on 3/4 year contracts and build a team around a few good players and bring young players through. The turnover of players (particularly when based in east Lincs) is high and a settled team would be a luxury we can't afford, so I am not sure where a rebuilding project comes from.
We have a few journeymen, a few young players hoping to move up to better things, but few long term local players who can be depended upon from one season to the next.
Each season is pretty much a one-off in terms of the team assembled - our only building programme would be the management team one year wiser.
Should we be expecting to challenge for a play-off place next season? If so why?
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You,ve given us lots to ponder there dc
Remember Talbot ,Fewings, Maylett, Murphy etc on long term contracts ?
3/4 year contracts has been a curse to the club over the last few decades.
As you say team building is difficult to achieve at this level , but if we can hold on to the better younger players at least that will be a start . The biggest problem having players poached by overspending clubs . Lets hope the Conference implement their plan on club finance,s and make sure club,s adhere to it . (not a hope ) .
Your penultimate sentance sums matters up .
To put your last question into prespective dc , if we look at the CV,s of the present Hyde team and manager it would be very difficult to make a case for them making the play-offs this season never mind win the league .!! ,
This forum would have been in meltdown with protesting posters if Newton had brought
them to Jakemans last August.
As I think you imply next season will test if our managers can step up to the challange
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Interesting comments. But I fail to see how this season has been a rebuilding one.
Looking at the squad page on the official website, I make it 9 players who weren't at the club last season - this includes Burge who didn't end the season with us. That's half the squad, when you discount the 2 player/managers.
This doesn't happen for established squads - I'd be interested to see how many of Guiseley or Nuneaton's squad have been signed this season.
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Rebuilding suggests that the building is here to stay.
BUFC and this level in particular is more port-a-cabin in nature than bricks and mortar.
The turnover in players is very high, teams are very much season by season. There is no rebuilding more of a
complete new build each year.