Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Scouse Pilgrim on February 17, 2014, 10:22:58 AM
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.....and the other directors including Wembley Chris.
Another Boston United manager convicted and not a peep out of you. >:(
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He is showing leadership by ignoring some of the idiotic posts that people put on this forum.
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Scouse Pilgrim (shouldn't call yourself a Pilgrim). Why do you have such a downer on BUFC ?
We have a first class club for non league with a good caring chairman. Just get off Mr Newtons back, and leave all the running of the club to him, whether you like it or not.
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Oh dear! Some people just jump to conclusions don' they? Do you not think that the Chairman should be putting out a statement to defend his manager and how he stands by the actions of someone who has committed fraud? :bunny
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Pure comic feature this week by 3 memebers, all they need is a slot on Dave or Uk gold so the world can have a Laugh at them instead of just us
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the only surprise about this post is how long it took!
obviously not keeping up with events but there again if you are not a supporter of the club, why would you??
my take on it personally is that no one condones it, however it is in the past, and dues are being paid, so lets move on
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Oh God its back!
I dont Know why people reply to him, if we didn't, then the thread wouldn't stretch to 5 pages long and then he can have a row with himself!
Just saying...
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SP just had to wait for things to die down a bit and here he is stirring the s*** again. What a suprise!
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Oh dear! Some people just jump to conclusions don' they? Do you not think that the Chairman should be putting out a statement to defend his manager and how he stands by the actions of someone who has committed fraud? :bunny
Hope you aren't posting messages on this forum whilst at work - otherwise you are defrauding your company.
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Sorry Artemis I'm posting at work. Maybe I should hand my resignation in now.
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Sorry Artemis I'm posting at work. Maybe I should hand my resignation in now.
You aren't making accusations unlike the Scouse Git
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Actually, in forgetting the motives PP may have, do you not think he is spot on? Are you not surprised that here we sit, some twelve days after his conviction was confirmed and as yet no public announcement from either the board or more logically DN has been released?
Not suggesting what he should say, that's his business, but news 'broke' Friday and the silence, whether it be to sack him or support him is as they say deafening. Personally, I think he will stay, which considering the circumstances may or may not sit well with some, but to publicaly ignore it does no more than sweep it under the carpet. The quicker DN makes a Statement the quicker the issue will move on and go away
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It sits well with me if he stays B Grimes. He has been punished for his crime and considering how well the team is playing I think it could damage our promotion chances if he does go. Ps please don't show that scouse thing any form of agreement it will only encourage him to come out with some more bulls*** bait that people will rise to.
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It sits well with me if he stays B Grimes. He has been punished for his crime and considering how well the team is playing I think it could damage our promotion chances if he does go. Ps please don't show that scouse thing any form of agreement it will only encourage him to come out with some more bulls*** bait that people will rise to.
It fits well with me pp , although team performance does not factor into it . One positive in this is we see a judge metering out commonsense justice and if Greene adheres to all elements of the sentance that is fair justice .
The outcome being the taxpayer does not lose out , Greene retains his job (maybe) but has a blot on his cv .
We all have our own ideas of justice some would have him banged up and leave us tax-payers to foot the £1000 a week bill . Leave the cells to rapist and peado,s .
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and of course it does not bring the club into disrepute :dan
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Well said GHM.
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and of course it does not bring the club into disrepute :dan
No more so than some PLCs who employ fraudsters :dan
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Can anyone just let me know why/What the club is to say/do,
Seems some are waiting for the club to say something. This is a personal issue and there for as nothing to do we the club.
Also of interest something as happened like this before elsewhere in which the person was dismissed from there club who later won compo from there club for doing so.
It was decided that it was a personal matter and was not down to the club so i think before anyone does what the terrible trio want them to do they should take a look back at past examples. Oh i forgot they couldnt care less anyway
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When posts like this are started the best thing to do is not to respond. The worst entry is always the second because it gives value to the first. Todays news, tomorrows fish and chip paper.
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Can anyone just let me know why/What the club is to say/do,
Seems some are waiting for the club to say something. This is a personal issue and there for as nothing to do we the club.
Also of interest something as happened like this before elsewhere in which the person was dismissed from there club who later won compo from there club for doing so.
It was decided that it was a personal matter and was not down to the club so i think before anyone does what the terrible trio want them to do they should take a look back at past examples. Oh i forgot they couldnt care less anyway
Sorry, I don't understand that. The club surely has to say 'something' or you advocating they dont?
Dennis would have preferred this to remain private, but he surely cant be naive enough to believe it would. The issue for DN, courtesy of the local and county media, now a public one, is to reconcile the pros and cons of what Dennis was actually convicted of, particularly trust in the future. If he were to be sacked, especially if nothing was previously disclosed there would be no compensation issue as fraud clearly constitutes gross misconduct whether committed during his tenure here or not and especially as DG is in a position of trust. The actual football perspective is different altogether, and maybe he will stay purely on that basis, but it doesn't weaken the argument for knowing the clubs stance either way. I think he will get DN's support, but feel it must be advised for the chairman to explain why, don't you?
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Can anyone just let me know why/What the club is to say/do,
Seems some are waiting for the club to say something. This is a personal issue and there for as nothing to do we the club.
Also of interest something as happened like this before elsewhere in which the person was dismissed from there club who later won compo from there club for doing so.
It was decided that it was a personal matter and was not down to the club so i think before anyone does what the terrible trio want them to do they should take a look back at past examples. Oh i forgot they couldnt care less anyway
Sorry, I don't understand that. The club surely has to say 'something' or you advocating they dont?
Dennis would have preferred this to remain private, but he surely cant be naive enough to believe it would. The issue for DN, courtesy of the local and county media, now a public one, is to reconcile the pros and cons of what Dennis was actually convicted of, particularly trust in the future. If he were to be sacked, especially if nothing was previously disclosed there would be no compensation issue as fraud clearly constitutes gross misconduct whether committed during his tenure here or not and especially as DG is in a position of trust. The actual football perspective is different altogether, and maybe he will stay purely on that basis, but it doesn't weaken the argument for knowing the clubs stance either way. I think he will get DN's support, but feel it must be advised for the chairman to explain why, don't you?
No. And its only gross misconduct if you do it to the club or why you are employed by the club.
I just had that one checked with a good friend why having a cuppa who works in criminal and employment law at ringrose. So yes Mr newton can say what he wants to keep the fans happy my point is he would have to be careful regarding the actions he takes and things he says.
As for anything else that would come down to anything highlighted within his contracts
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Bugger, just been on a speed awareness course, will have to ring John B tomorrow to cancel my season ticket, after all the club will surely not want me in the crowd.
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Surely if the club we going to comment or take action regarding this issue It would of been done by now. It's time to move on and get behind the club and players. We have two massive fames coming up against promotion rivals.
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Surely if the club we going to comment or take action regarding this issue It would of been done by now. It's time to move on and get behind the club and players. We have two massive fames coming up against promotion rivals.
Dont always agree with you on everything but ill drink to that,
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Can anyone just let me know why/What the club is to say/do,
Seems some are waiting for the club to say something. This is a personal issue and there for as nothing to do we the club.
Also of interest something as happened like this before elsewhere in which the person was dismissed from there club who later won compo from there club for doing so.
It was decided that it was a personal matter and was not down to the club so i think before anyone does what the terrible trio want them to do they should take a look back at past examples. Oh i forgot they couldnt care less anyway
Sorry, I don't understand that. The club surely has to say 'something' or you advocating they dont?
Dennis would have preferred this to remain private, but he surely cant be naive enough to believe it would. The issue for DN, courtesy of the local and county media, now a public one, is to reconcile the pros and cons of what Dennis was actually convicted of, particularly trust in the future. If he were to be sacked, especially if nothing was previously disclosed there would be no compensation issue as fraud clearly constitutes gross misconduct whether committed during his tenure here or not and especially as DG is in a position of trust. The actual football perspective is different altogether, and maybe he will stay purely on that basis, but it doesn't weaken the argument for knowing the clubs stance either way. I think he will get DN's support, but feel it must be advised for the chairman to explain why, don't you?
Is a statement really needed BG ? As you say through the local media it is now public knowledge .
Regarding trust does Greene handle the cash ? I would think not . And with legal implications as indicated by Bostonshire what further can he add at the moment ?
Only thing not covered on this thread is how would SP assert his leadership in this issue ?
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I'm still stunned by this story :o
I don't think David Newton would have taken DG on if he had known about this at the time.
Just an opinion, based on nothing...but if correct there are very few possible positive outcomes, probably none :-\
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I think maybe SP is overrating the importance of the club afterall fiddling the DWP does not bar you from working on a MOD base .
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I worked with someone who from day 1 of him starting work informed the DSS and they said they would cancel all his benefits that day.. He kept receiving money and rang again and the DSS said it was all in order,so he just kept letting the payments come in.. After months the DSS decided he had to go to court and be charged with claiming while working,he could have faced jail but owing to the fact his Dr told the court that this could cause him harm as he was epileptic..
Anyhow,it went to court and he got charged and had to pay the money back on a weekly basis until all payment was cleared,he also got 100 hours community service.. At no time did our boss threaten to sack him,he just called him stupid for not making sure he had been taken off the JSA register..
So why should DN et al sack DG?? DG did the crime and he has been to court and is paying it back so I cannot see what the fuss is about...
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I just don't get this, maybe because I am older but there have been many instances of players sacked for gross misconduct for things that have happened at other clubs or offences committed during their time at the club that had nothing to do with footballing issues. Driving offences, twitter outbursts, sex scandals, and more recently betting scandals that had nothing to do with the clubs they were playing with, and the same applies to managers, some very high profile ones. I guess George Graham being the biggest and I dont think that ever went to trial and even Tommy Docherty was sacked for an affair with the physios wife, so yes, even if in the minority I do think a statement is totally needed, if only, and if it works out this way, for DN to show his public support for his manager and the reasons behind that support. Just my opinion.
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Newton out, Greene out, newsh out, under 12's manger out
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Only thing not covered on this thread is how would SP assert his leadership in this issue ?
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I cannot claim any leadership credentials and nor would I want to be a chairman of a football club and certainly not BUFC.
As we don't know all the details and we certainly do not know what DG told DN about the matter (either before, during or after he was interviewed for the post of manager). However, if DN was not aware and we were in his shoes would we not be extremely annoyed bearing in mind what a laughing stock the club has been over recent years. We would feel deceived certainly. Whatever people may say, youngsters look to their heroes as role models whether they be players, managers or chairmen.
Whatever the actual details are, the lack of any public comment whatsoever by the club is a very poor show and one can only surmise that DN is taking legal advice before saying anything so as not to compromise any existing contractual agreements and so as not to give rise to any potential for constructive dismissal. If this is the case, then the public statement should state this. :bunny
That is all that is asked for a simple statement. Without this the speculation continue and the club's name will be dragged through the mud (again). I wonder if the local hacks have approached the Chairman or are they all cosied up with him?
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SP you're really starting to bore me now!
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We have to admit there is a level of hypocrisy here.
Because 'we' like Mr. Newton & Mr. Greene and the team are doing quite well, then nothing is allowed to be said against them without expecting to be abused.
It is strange that the manager of a club is convicted of a serious offence and nothing is said about it by the club.
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Not being aware of the dates involved, perhaps DG was not aware when he took the job. Maybe once he found out he was being investigated/charged made DN aware?
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Not being aware of the dates involved, perhaps DG was not aware when he took the job. Maybe once he found out he was being investigated/charged made DN aware?
Don,t be a spoilsport and upset SP . :)
You may well be right and as SP has mentioned care most be taken before making public statements .
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With the exception of a short reply to posts by Monty I have kept my feelings on this matter to myself. The news of the managers offending came as a very disappointing shock however, no matter what my personal opinion or those of other supporters are, the chairman and his board are the managers employers and it is for them and nobody else to deal with matters as they consider appropriate in the best interest of the club and those involved.
I am not saying that supporters shouldn't have a view or that they shouldn't be allowed to express it as many have on here but, I do feel that without knowing all the facts, for anyone to have a go at, and make demands on the chairman is a very dangerous game if we want the club to progress.
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We have to admit there is a level of hypocrisy here.
Because 'we' like Mr. Newton & Mr. Greene and the team are doing quite well, then nothing is allowed to be said against them without expecting to be abused.
It is strange that the manager of a club is convicted of a serious offence and nothing is said about it by the club.
I agree, there is more than a fair bit of hypocrisy. People who know me will tell you I am not one for slating anyone, and am certainly not doing here. I deplored the comments made about Lee, was astounded at the venom aimed at Drury and here on this issue, like you,am just totally gobsmacked that there has been no statement from the board and that anyone who does criticise DN DG is getting criticised, hmmmmmmmmmmm ???
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I am not saying that supporters shouldn't have a view or that they shouldn't be allowed to express it as many have on here but, I do feel that without knowing all the facts, for anyone to have a go at, and make demands on the chairman is a very dangerous game if we want the club to progress.
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Fact is the manager has been convicted of a crime.
Fact the club has not made a statement about that.
To many people that does seem strange.
Not sure what is the dangerous game here. Whilst I haven't made demands on the Chairman - is he above criticism if people think he has done wrong (not necessarily on this issue) but as a general principle?.
Will he walk out of on the club if criticism is levelled his way?
Think the chairman, can decipher between nonsense, delusionists, those with axes to grind and fair criticism.