Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: The Third Twin on October 28, 2017, 09:52:03 PM
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AM has resigned
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He has tendered his resignation... i assume it will be accepted?
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AM has resigned
David Newton is within his rights to reject this, and force AM to work out his notice period... however I would expect him gone by the end of tomorrow.
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Shame it didn't work out and at least he had the decency to resign rather than wait to be sacked. He's the type of manager appointment we like to see, young, hungry and eager to make his mark.
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Definitely made his mark
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I hope this turns out to be true.
Ever since the 4-0 spanking at Southport it's been obvious that we're like a rudderless ship and that was the opening day of the season.
Good riddance to him (if true). Got no sympathy for him or his excuses.
One of the worst managers of our club in the last 15 years! Talks Premier League in his interviews, but in reality he wouldn't deliver in the Pontins League 3rd Division.
Now can we get rid of the expensive crock of crap that he signed and show some bloody passion instead of weakly rolling over in games.
I feel sorry for Harry Vince who could clearly go far, but has to look up to a bunch of wasters who are dragging him backwards by being such spineless role models on a football pitch.
The season is a relegation battle now. If we don't win it and stay up, the buck lies firmly at Adam's door.
Only one person to blame, glad he's gone (if true) and he can take the rest of his wasters with him.
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AM has resigned
David Newton is within his rights to reject this, and force AM to work out his notice period... however I would expect him gone by the end of tomorrow.
No pay off either?
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Good at least he has done the right thing, but how has this information been obtained??
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Good at least he has done the right thing, but how has this information been obtained??
The statement on the club website:
http://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/club-statement-adam-murray-2053337.html (http://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/club-statement-adam-murray-2053337.html)
Boston United can announce that Adam Murray has tendered his resignation as first team manager.
A further statement will be made tomorrow (Sunday).
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AM has resigned
David Newton is within his rights to reject this, and force AM to work out his notice period... however I would expect him gone by the end of tomorrow.
No pay off either?
It will not come cheap , as Yorkie says there's an "expensive crock of crap" that he signed that wants getting rid of .
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Goodbye and fair well Adam, thing's didn't work out for you but results never lie.
Something to look forward to tomorrow, let's hope it is positive news.
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I'll put my tin hat on now and say get DG back asap
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I'll put my tin hat on now and say get DG back asap
I've always seen it as club first players & managers come & go. If the next manager can't turn this around quickly we will be down. It can't be a Drury type appointment it's too much of a gamble. DN knowing that from experience could bring DG in as he turned the Lee/Drury mess around in about 4/5 games. I must admit if someone had suggested Greene a couple of days ago I would have thought there was more chance of Howard Wilkinson returning.
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I cant see much light at all..
You could be thinking at this time the only potential new good managers would never come here . :(
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With Green in the crowd yesterday almost directly behind Murray in the stand perhaps the pressure was too much and he thought he'd walk before he's pushed.
I think if Green inherits this side get Kane Felix back from Deeping Rangers and add to what we have 2 or 3 quality signings set the side out with Dennis's style of width to our play and we will be ok.
It can be done.
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Eye off the ball (no pun intended) whilst the stadium build is in progress?
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I cant see much light at all..
You could be thinking at this time the only potential new good managers would never come here . :(
I go long with that Ted , many fans will not accept the limitations of the club . Plenty will still tell us that not gaining promotion is failure,
while at the same time are unable to explain where to obtain the funding to compete with the likes of Salford .
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Yes GHM you and Ted are right, the funding is always going to be an issue, even when the new Stadium is built.
Many clubs have perished even with a new stadium, look at Darlington for example.
If Dennis does get the job he will be working with not much more than he had before.
I do believe that him and David Newton still have a good working relationship, DN has said many times that it was the hardest decision he has had to make at the club when he ended Dennis tenure, because he really liked him and enjoyed working with him.
So I think he would welcome Dennis back, and perhaps now things have settled down for him, getting married and becoming a father, this may now be just the right time to make his own come back.
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Such similarities with us & York city last season. McNamara went in & promised them quick return to the FL. The board gave all he asked for, including 20 new players & fans were expectant - why wouldn't they be he'd played & managed at a much higher level. Come the following October he was sacked as the sat 4th bottom.
They hoped they had gone for a safe pair of hands with the return of Gary Mills but with over half the season left he failed to keep them up.
Let's hope the next manager here immediately lifts the gloom & lack of spirit thats infected the club since the southport debacle. It will be good to see a team again rather than a bunch of individuals lacking any understanding or belief in how they were supposed to be playing.
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Well at least Adam has done the right thing, albeit way too late. I only hope that this blot on his c.v. will not damage his chances of potential future work in football and that he does find success elsewhere. I think that it is 99.9% certain that Dennis will be in charge by next weekend. Sadly, it is way too late to achieve anything this season apart from mid-table security thanks to Mr Murray's miserable extended stay with the business.
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Hawley has now taken temporary charge ! Thoughts .........
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Hawley has now taken temporary charge ! Thoughts .........
senior player, asst manager, why not short term?
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Only option if no one lined up . Not very excited but we will have to support him . Will be interesting to hear if he is looking to apply for the job .
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The one positive is he is a forward so may say to them "go out and win" as opposed to go out and don't lose".
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The one positive is he is a forward so may say to them "go out and win" as opposed to go out and don't lose".
It could be as simple as that Oxo. A bit more freedom to just go out & play & express themselves. Can't see him being one for sentiment & hopefully he can get them believing & winning again? Maybe keep it simple too, pass it about, use the wingers etc. He must have seen enough this season & have his own ideas on the problems.
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:'(Hawley has now taken temporary charge ! Thoughts .........
senior player, asst manager, why not short term?
I'd say its the best choice to make short term and if results improve then he'll at least be a name on the shortlist. The main thing is we need to improve, be more attack minded. Just my opinion of course. If I had all the answers I'd throw my name into the ring :laugh:
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The one positive is he is a forward so may say to them "go out and win" as opposed to go out and don't lose".
It could be as simple as that Oxo. A bit more freedom to just go out & play & express themselves. Can't see him being one for sentiment & hopefully he can get them believing & winning again? Maybe keep it simple too, pass it about, use the wingers etc. He must have seen enough this season & have his own ideas on the problems.
Well you both could be right, you never know he might have wanted the job anyway.
Players no how to get rid of a poor manager, I know I have done it, it's easy loose games.
Not saying that's happened, but most assistant managers walk out with the manager.
Everyone expected Hurst to go from Grimsby when Scott was sacked, but he stayed and did well.
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Slight risk is that if AM doesnt get fixed up he may be in the background . . :blank:
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Everyone expected Hurst to go from Grimsby when Scott was sacked, but he stayed and did well.
Did they? Scott was sacked for off-field matters, so Hurst was unaffected.
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DG has ruled himself out on his twitter account....
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Everyone expected Hurst to go from Grimsby when Scott was sacked, but he stayed and did well.
Did they? Scott was sacked for off-field matters, so Hurst was unaffected.
Yes the fans thought he would go, they were both massive mates, but that is not the case now for certain.
I spoke to many Grimsby fans last season and they said what I am saying, they also said that Grimsby offered to cancel his contract, but Hurst declined.
After all it's only fan talk, so it all could be all conjecture.
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Jamie McGuire as his assistant? Never seen him play but people I have spoken to said he's a fighter, probably what we need out there at the moment.
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Jamie McGuire as his assistant? Never seen him play but people I have spoken to said he's a fighter, probably what we need out there at the moment.
We need some passion that's for sure.
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Everyone expected Hurst to go from Grimsby when Scott was sacked, but he stayed and did well.
Did they? Scott was sacked for off-field matters, so Hurst was unaffected.
Yes the fans thought he would go, they were both massive mates, but that is not the case now for certain.
I spoke to many Grimsby fans last season and they said what I am saying, they also said that Grimsby offered to cancel his contract, but Hurst declined.
After all it's only fan talk, so it all could be all conjecture.
just to clarify, he wasn't sacked for off field matters, he was sacked for a racial comment made during a game to one of his own players who got himself sent off, as the player walked off the field. Before anybody doubts my post, I worked with the guy who was the fourth official. He gave evidence at an fa hearing stating the above. However good mates the two may have been, there's no place in football for racism, and I can see why the innocent party stayed where he was, rather than follow his mate.
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I worry the Board as such do not have good enough ongoing connects in the next manager stakes .
The closing date is too tight . with a caretaker now in .
Wonder if DN is getting peed off ? :-X
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I worry the Board as such do not have good enough ongoing connects in the next manager stakes .
The closing date seems a bit tight .. wonder if DN is getting peed off ? :-X
If you ignore Shorty and Shouty plus Dennis - David Newton's choice of managers isn't what I would call a success.
With only 6 days for candidates to apply I worry that the next appointment won't be any better than some of the less successful ones he has appointed previously. 2 out of the last 3 didn't deliver but were very good at talking. If the next appoinment fails will DN throw in the towel?
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I may not have been a fan of AM's style etc, but I will say one thing has definitely improved under his reign. The pitch looks bloody good, but then it would do if the ball spends so long in the air!
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Yes much as my summation ,, needs more time and an established Mr Football board member ???
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Not giving himself much time to get a new manager , to get the right I would think would take more than a week sounds like someone is already lined up for it
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Not ideal for reasons given .. time for a few names ?
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Not ideal for reasons given .. time for a few names ?
Mark Bower
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Perhaps Hawley is not planning to stay long, and that's why they have only put a week on it.
Or like has been said before someone is already lined up for the job.
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I worry the Board as such do not have good enough ongoing connects in the next manager stakes .
The closing date seems a bit tight .. wonder if DN is getting peed off ? :-X
If you ignore Shorty and Shouty plus Dennis - David Newton's choice of managers isn't what I would call a success.
With only 6 days for candidates to apply I worry that the next appointment won't be any better than some of the less successful ones he has appointed previously. 2 out of the last 3 didn't deliver but were very good at talking. If the next appoinment fails will DN throw in the towel?
I think your concerns over next appointment is justified , I'm sure DN is more than capable of picking the best candidate ,but if there is no ideal applicants it's a case of picking the best of what's on offer . Probably the reason AM landed the job without CN experience . Contrary to what some fans think Boston is not the ideal base to attract managers /players . Credit due to Adam or DN the moving of our base near to motorway should make it easier for us to attract manager/players , sadly Adam failed on recruitment even with this advantage .
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just to clarify, he wasn't sacked for off field matters, he was sacked for a racial comment made during a game
To me, that is an off-field matter - he wasn't sacked due to poor results, is how I should have phrased it.
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I wouldn't want the job that's for sure,so you can rule me out.
There is a guy on BUFC Facebook that been wanting the job for ages, those who go on there will no what I am talking about.
Has big Sam got a job, because he has got a good record at keeping clubs up.😉
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I wouldn't want the job that's for sure,so you can rule me out.
There is a guy on BUFC Facebook that been wanting the job for ages, those who go on there will no what I am talking about.
Has big Sam got a job, because he has got a good record at keeping clubs up.😉
Neil Warnoch is another chubby , a bit cheeky asking him though , I think we rejected his application down about 40 years ago .
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I'm pretty sure I wont be thrilled by a new appt ..
But that's the fate of most soccer clubs :blank:
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What about Brian Little (football genius)😁
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What about Brian Little (football genius)😁
what about public inching Frecks from Gainsborough? After all, he's taken a bunch of sub-standard players, no-hopers and reject Pilgrims, and he's got them mid-table? He's achieved more than Dom Roma could do, and I'm looking with a little envy at their 10 game unbeaten run into mid-table.
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Is there no one ex Grimsby ?
Apart from Don Donavon .. Keith Jobling got the Club to the Baseball Ground in 1974 to face the then League Champions :angel:
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What about Brian Little (football genius)😁
what about public inching Frecks from Gainsborough? After all, he's taken a bunch of sub-standard players, no-hopers and reject Pilgrims, and he's got them mid-table? He's achieved more than Dom Roma could do, and I'm looking with a little envy at their 10 game unbeaten run into mid-table.
Not a bad suggestion he is a good manager and knows how to defend.
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Dont think he was that good at Gainsboro .
To me Murray was was similar .
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Carl Marginson is available.
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Try and get Ian Culverhouse from Kings Lynn he has done wonders there in the same timeframe that Murray has ruined us.
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Try and get Ian Culverhouse from Kings Lynn he has done wonders there in the same timeframe that Murray has ruined us.
I would be shocked if that happened, we would be very lucky if he wanted the Job.
I think he is very settled at Lynn and they are going well at present playing some nice football.
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I think we are going to find it hard to get any decent manager in,to be honest.
I am disappointed that we are going down the application route again, it hasn't been successful of late, even DG had to be approached after turning him down when he applied.
We need to head hunt a manager and get a successful in work one,if that means delaying the stadium another so be it.
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I see Richard B has now left for Southport... Murray said we had a blank canvas except we have no paint now.
Worrying times - be interesting to see who applies for the job. Would like Gary Mills or if not Adam Stevens from Grantham Town.
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Who is Richard B ??
Do you mean Brodie.
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I see Richard B has now left for Southport... Murray said we had a blank canvas except we have no paint now.
Worrying times - be interesting to see who applies for the job. Would like Gary Mills or if not Adam Stevens from Grantham Town.
Mills would have had a far bigger budget at York than we have and yet struggled .
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I see Newton has ruled out Head Hunting then, stating there is no money for compensation packages.
Green has put an end to a return, so it's now a wait and see unless Hawley can turn things around who knows hey!!
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Who is Richard B ??
Do you mean Brodie.
No, the Chief Scout - Richard Boryszczuk.
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I see Newton has ruled out Head Hunting then, stating there is no money for compensation packages.
Green has put an end to a return, so it's now a wait and see unless Hawley can turn things around who knows hey!!
Best to stay clear of head hunting as it would be embarrassing if certain club/s were boasting their manager had turned us down .
Our best hope is that Hawley makes a decent fist of it and we can give him to the end of the season and then consider extending his stay .
Richard B gone and now it is claimed elsewhere that our players are searching for opportunities to jump ship to other teams .
Good luck to most of them with that , it would be good to see some go .
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Worrying times - be interesting to see who applies for the job. Would like Gary Mills or if not Adam Stevens from Grantham Town.
Mills is on a downward slope he's the last person we should get
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I see Newton has ruled out Head Hunting then, stating there is no money for compensation packages.
Green has put an end to a return, so it's now a wait and see unless Hawley can turn things around who knows hey!!
Best to stay clear of head hunting as it would be embarrassing if certain club/s were boasting their manager had turned us down .
Our best hope is that Hawley makes a decent fist of it and we can give him to the end of the season and then consider extending his stay .
Richard B gone and now it is claimed elsewhere that our players are searching for opportunities to jump ship to other teams .
Good luck to most of them with that , it would be good to see some go .
Do you think Chapman will jump ship, I suppose some of them probably know that under a new manager they won't last, but my opinion is that they should stay and get us out of the trouble we are in.
Get Kane Felix in ASAP surely he is better off playing for us than Deeping Rangers.
Rollins, Felix, Hemmings,Tashminga, would be a real handful up front, with Smith, Adams Vince, Waite, and Hawley if needed in reserve.
Have we ever tried Smith in a forward midfield role, that could be an option he would definitely win the Ariel battle and his ball round the corner ain't bad, we would also have his attacking threat at set pieces,and his defending ability at the other end.
Much the same as Garner did for us.
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Young chubby they will stay for the silly money! The might have to work more under a new manager unless it's one of their mates!!!!
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I don't think the board will let that happen.
Mates will not be accepted, they know that relegation for this club will spell severe financial consequences.
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Adam Lockwood looks a possible :
God another Adam :o
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Just had a read of Gary Mills record it definitely stands up to scrutiny. Be interesting to see if he turns up tomorrow night.
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Just had a read of Gary Mills record it definitely stands up to scrutiny. Be interesting to see if he turns up tomorrow night.
[/quote Up to going back to York he had done very well. I saw his Gateshead side a few times on bt 2014, when they lost the Wembley final & promotion to the FL. They played superb football, a trademark of his team's.
He tried to sort McNamara's mess out at York last season, his win % was good, but they still went down. Would that bode well for him coming here & a similar situation to York? This season they were in the last play off place when they sacked him, think they had played 10 games.
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Just had a read of Gary Mills record it definitely stands up to scrutiny. Be interesting to see if he turns up tomorrow night.
[/quote Up to going back to York he had done very well. I saw his Gateshead side a few times on bt 2014, when they lost the Wembley final & promotion to the FL. They played superb football, a trademark of his team's.
He tried to sort McNamara's mess out at York last season, his win % was good, but they still went down. Would that bode well for him coming here & a similar situation to York? This season they were in the last play off place when they sacked him, think they had played 10 games.
I think his financial demands of wage and budget would be out of our reach .
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Gary Mills look likes a real candidate, seems harsh to get sacked when you are in a play off position.
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Adam Lockwood looks a possible :
God another Adam :o
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team From To Record Ref
P W D L Win %
Guiseley 21 August 2016 30 August 2017 52 15 15 22 28.8 [25]
Total 52 15 15 22 28.8 —
Not for me thank you.
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Adam Lockwood looks a possible :
God another Adam :o
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team From To Record Ref
P W D L Win %
Guiseley 21 August 2016 30 August 2017 52 15 15 22 28.8 [25]
Total 52 15 15 22 28.8 —
Not for me thank you.
Getting them thinned out now Dave,
Tin hat time! What's Steve Houshams win rate ?
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O sorry
It was because he was a defender / tall and from Yorks/NE ( I think ) :angel:
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Adam Lockwood looks a possible :
God another Adam :o
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team From To Record Ref
P W D L Win %
Guiseley 21 August 2016 30 August 2017 52 15 15 22 28.8 [25]
Total 52 15 15 22 28.8 —
Not for me thank you.
Getting them thinned out now Dave,
Tin hat time! What's Steve Houshams win rate ?
Don’t know the figures on his win rate, he does have 6 fingers though :)
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Adam Lockwood looks a possible :
God another Adam :o
Similar recent record to Adam Murray, unfortunately.
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Adam Lockwood looks a possible :
God another Adam :o
Managerial record by team and tenure
Team From To Record Ref
P W D L Win %
Guiseley 21 August 2016 30 August 2017 52 15 15 22 28.8 [25]
Total 52 15 15 22 28.8 —
Not for me thank you.
Getting them thinned out now Dave,
Tin hat time! What's Steve Houshams win rate ?
Don’t know the figures on his win rate, he does have 6 fingers though :)
Many fingers, for many pies...
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Adam Lockwood looks a possible :
God another Adam :o
Similar recent record to Adam Murray, unfortunately.
I think Lockwood would dispute that .
At 28.8% his win ratio is double to what Adams is with his " own" players .
In his last 21 games against CN sides 3W 5D 13L a win ratio of just under 15%.
Translated to a 42 game season means Adam was on course for a 28 point finish which should have kept us 21st comfortably above 22nd placed NFU.
Little wonder those who were certain a year ago that a change in management was certain to improve results feel bemused .
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Lockwood was managing a team who's priority was staying up. Murray managed a team looking to sneak into the play offs. It's obvious who did a better job, comparitively.
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Lockwood was managing a team who's priority was staying up. Murray managed a team looking to sneak into the play offs. It's obvious who did a better job, comparitively.
Don't exactly get your logic P86 . but nevertheless I will go along with it . Adam was fighting relegation his latter games and he couldn't
even achieve a 15% win rate in those games , do we deduct that Adams priority was not to stay up ?
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Chapman now gone, too.
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Adam Murray assistant manager at guiseley
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Good.very pleased for him.A good man who wished us only good things.Assistant Manager may be a better role for him.
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If Guiseley were to beat Accrington Stanley in their FA Cup replay the next round would be at Mansfield Town. That would be interesting for two ex BUFC managers.
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Murray must be jinxed - no Guiseley wins since he joined them.
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