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Title: Blame the crowd!
Post by: kingofnaves on December 01, 2012, 05:52:59 PM
Totally agree with Ross on the radio!Get off the players backs etc
Up the pilgrims!
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: noughtyforties on December 01, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
Well where I was sat in the stand there was nothing but encouragement..........

Some turned on the manager after the 3rd goal but the support for the team was there all afternoon.

Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Seenbetter on December 01, 2012, 06:01:50 PM
Agree with NFs. I think people no longer blame the players but do blame the management of the team. We have a good band of players but how they are used is in question.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: pilgrim4life on December 01, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
just another excuse that isnt going to wash with me im afraid. Another poor home performance on the back of the rubbish i witnessed on tuesday. How do they expect us to be upbeat about anything. They soon wont have to worry as they will only have about 500 going through the gate if that rubbish continues.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: kingofnaves on December 01, 2012, 06:10:05 PM
500 ? What's the capacity at Boston Town nowadays  :D
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Ernie100 on December 01, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
From reading the posts about todays game, I'm pleased I'm stuffed up with a cold and couldn't work up the enthusiasm to attend. :)
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Deeping Pilgrim on December 01, 2012, 06:49:02 PM
From reading the posts about todays game, I'm pleased I'm stuffed up with a cold and couldn't work up the enthusiasm to attend. :)

That makes two of us.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Winging It on December 01, 2012, 07:32:41 PM
the crowd have been pee poor all season, today it took until 5mins from the end of the first half for the first chants to go up. yet these same people moan on here about things. maybe some of your hot air could actually be used to boost the team from the off right the way through.  after all, most are wanna be managers on here.  i blame the crowd totally, does nobody actually think what effect it has on these players not to be backed and boosted ??  ???
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: noughtyforties on December 01, 2012, 07:40:21 PM
Speak as you find, but I've found the crowd in the stand to be very patient and supportive........

But the atmosphere's been terrible for ages, even going back to the start of last season.

Its almost as if the Play Off defeat sucked all the momentum out of the support and we've not recovered from it.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: BUFC Loyal on December 01, 2012, 07:54:22 PM
Speak as you find, but I've found the crowd in the stand to be very patient and supportive........

But the atmosphere's been terrible for ages, even going back to the start of last season.

Its almost as if the Play Off defeat sucked all the momentum out of the support and we've not recovered from it.

That's exactly how it's felt adding the fact we're now what seems a mid-table team the atmosphere in the ground has totally gone, shame really because I won't say we was the most vocal fans during the the promotion season and the play-off season but we got behind our boys when it was needed, but right now nobody seems "up for it"

But then again I know like many who will stand in the Town End if a certain group don't chant the rest don't and if "others" start chants plenty don't join in cos the "ring leaders" aren't the ones starting those chants.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: green hats mate on December 01, 2012, 08:19:48 PM
Sadly the backing witnessed by N/F  in the F I stand is not reflected by some on the Spayne terrace , maybe next season will be time for me to request a transfer .
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: noughtyforties on December 01, 2012, 08:22:16 PM
Ohhhhhh!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o

Controversial stuff but its been like that for years mate. I remember a few fans getting really pissed off at somewhere like Farnborough or Woking in the Conference, they joined in when X started the chants but when they stared a song X and his mates stood there staring at them like it was their job to get the support singing, no one else's.......

Personally I thought we supported BUFC and not personalities in the support, but it seems its not the case, a very sad state of affairs when the team really needs all the vocal encouragement it can get.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Winging It on December 01, 2012, 08:25:25 PM
thing is, you have to question why when we play the bigger teams ie: chester, halifax, gainsboro the fans are vocal throughout, and also vocal away from home. if they can be like that during these games then why not at home in every game ? maybe we do need someone to gee us up so to speak. bring back a rocking rev type person at the start of each half. something needs to be done though,for at the moment there is more life in a morgue.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Johnny Pilgrim on December 01, 2012, 08:27:40 PM
just another excuse that isnt going to wash with me im afraid. Another poor home performance on the back of the rubbish i witnessed on tuesday. How do they expect us to be upbeat about anything. They soon wont have to worry as they will only have about 500 going through the gate if that rubbish continues.

with respect,whatever the game was,it certainly WASNT RUBBISH....I saw the second half as very entertaining end to end stuff as they say....if you were a neutral you couldnt complain abiut getting value for money.....Sure BUFC aint in a very good position at the moment...weve got the players,its just the manager and his tactics (taking off a centre forward and bringing on 2 wide players FFS) which are open to question...BUT IT WASNT RUBBISH...
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Tony Goor on December 01, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
If you go to a concert, and the singer does not perform, the crowd are quiet.  Just the same if a comic is telling all the old things you've heard before.

The crowd will cheer and encourage if there is something to cheer.  It is so obvious, I can't believe this is even being talking about after today's – and other recent performances.  Boston fans will get behind the team when they are playing well.  Once more, particularly in the first half there was very limited action, especially goalmouth action . . . the crowd was quiet, in fact they were cold and stunned!
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: BUFC Loyal on December 01, 2012, 08:37:59 PM
Ohhhhhh!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o

Controversial stuff but its been like that for years mate. I remember a few fans getting really pissed off at somewhere like Farnborough or Woking in the Conference, they joined in when X started the chants but when they stared a song X and his mates stood there staring at them like it was their job to get the support singing, no one else's.......

Personally I thought we supported BUFC and not personalities in the support, but it seems its not the case, a very sad state of affairs when the team really needs all the vocal encouragement it can get.


The promotion and the following season I was in a group of mates who started chants and wouldn't really mind if the "ring leaders" joined in, but at the same time we joined in when anyone, literally anyone started chanting, it's not a popularity competition, but as you say at times it seems like it is.

Since then lack of £ (all of us are looking for work, but not having much look right now) and people drifting to other interests means our group who we usually stood/stand with is a lot smaller but some of us still go when we we can

The thing is some of those "ring leaders" have always been fine with me as people, they just seem to have some kind of strange ego when it comes to standing in the Town End or when we take a big following to an away game.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Winging It on December 01, 2012, 10:24:36 PM
If you go to a concert, and the singer does not perform, the crowd are quiet.  Just the same if a comic is telling all the old things you've heard before.

The crowd will cheer and encourage if there is something to cheer.  It is so obvious, I can't believe this is even being talking about after today's – and other recent performances.  Boston fans will get behind the team when they are playing well.  Once more, particularly in the first half there was very limited action, especially goalmouth action . . . the crowd was quiet, in fact they were cold and stunned!


thats a daft quote to be fair. yes at concerts same as everything in entertainments the crowd will go quiet if things are not up to standard. but the simple facts are from the start of any event the crowds are loud, cheering and in expectation. sadly at bufc this is not the case anymore.  why do fans look at the half empty rather than half full views. go there at 2.55 and lift the lads when they come out. keep it up for 10 odd mins and then, and only then if it doesn't lift the team ( which it jolly well should ) then by all means rest your poor voices.  but for goodness sake don't say that because our form is up and down you are going there in expectation of no entertainment.  then you have to question yourselves of why are you going ! 
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Tony Goor on December 02, 2012, 08:53:08 AM
Football is in competition with everything else these days, including rugby on the TV. But the previous poster has one good point at the end "If you are going there in expectation of entertainment, then you have the question yourselves of why you are going!" 

Now that is ridiculous.  You go to meet your mates and be entertained at the same time.  Live in the real world
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: pilgrim4life on December 02, 2012, 10:25:44 AM

[/quote]....I saw the second half as very entertaining end to end stuff as they say....if you were a neutral you couldnt complain abiut getting value for money....
[/quote] the problem there is we are not neutrals are we. We want to see the team control the game if possible or at least show some solidarity at the back and not let players waltz through. They could easily have scored more. For me i dont find it entertaining to watch your team leak goals week in week out. Maybe you do.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: travelling man on December 02, 2012, 10:31:25 AM
I agree with you Tony, the team need to give something to help the atmosphere.

I have my season ticket at York St, but, for the last 2 years I finally got 1 each for me and the Domestic Manager at Anfield. I was therefore at the Southampton game yesterday and the atmosphere was as flat as a pancake, even the anthem at the start was sung in as lacklustre was as I can ever remember. The reason, the same as at York st, a manager who can talk the talk but not walk the walk. Brendan Rogers may be a nice guy, as is JL, but instills no faith at all in the fans with his bizarre team selections. Downing at left back, FFS?

There are similarities with the 2 clubs trying to balance the books, but some spark is needed at both grounds before fans get back on board.



Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: kingofnaves on December 02, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
Travelling man good choice of teams!
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Seenbetter on December 02, 2012, 04:36:48 PM
I hear they are going to lock all the exits until full time so nobody can leave early.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: green hats mate on December 02, 2012, 04:47:45 PM
Top marks to KON and TM ,  High level of tolerance needed to follow either of those teams never mind both .    Might be able to get you a comp if  imps win at Mansfield KON .
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: Burton Pilgrim on December 02, 2012, 11:24:21 PM
I hear they are going to lock all the exits until full time so nobody can leave early.

Sounds like some people would prefer it if they locked the entrances! :)
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: dubai camel on December 03, 2012, 05:46:45 AM
York Street is no different from any other ground. Crowds respond to what's happening on the pitch .... be it Arsenal fans booing off their team or whatever.

The negative bunch, have always been a vocal lot - though it does depend on where you are in the crowd - not much has changed in the last 30 years on that one.

The reality is that the team are not a play-off challenging team, which is where most supporters think they should be so interest is waning.
Bottom line is people pay their money and take their choice - what is on offer is simply not good enough for many so they are making their feelings known - rightly or wrongly that manifests itself in moaning or simply staying away.

No 'business' has a right to expect people to pay money when serving up a poor product, be it facilities, entertainent value etc. Something football could do well to learn.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: green hats mate on December 03, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
Trust me dc   amend the 30 years to 65 !!!

Always been the same at all clubs , some fans thinking their team should have continuoues success .   Not all teams can finish in top 5 of their league so the moaners at 75% of the clubs in any league deem the season a failure .

Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: ceamboy on December 03, 2012, 06:56:13 PM
York Street is no different from any other ground. Crowds respond to what's happening on the pitch .... be it Arsenal fans booing off their team or whatever.

The negative bunch, have always been a vocal lot - though it does depend on where you are in the crowd - not much has changed in the last 30 years on that one.

The reality is that the team are not a play-off challenging team, which is where most supporters think they should be so interest is waning.
Bottom line is people pay their money and take their choice - what is on offer is simply not good enough for many so they are making their feelings known - rightly or wrongly that manifests itself in moaning or simply staying away.

No 'business' has a right to expect people to pay money when serving up a poor product, be it facilities, entertainent value etc. Something football could do well to learn.


 This must be the post of the season for me D C,  Everything you say is true, The last paragraph near enough says what I posted about a football match, that it is about  entertainment, If you get bad service at a shop you don't patronise it, it is the same with a football match, If the some of the crowd feel they are not getting value for money, and they can see the same mistakes being made by the players, who are being instructed by inept managers, they will show their displeasure vocally , they could maybe lose all interest and take the ultimate decision and stop supporting BUFC,
This leads to the poor attendances which is now happening at York Street matches, Fans will support a winning and competitive side, that is something we are not getting with the present management staff.
Title: Re: Blame the crowd!
Post by: green hats mate on December 03, 2012, 08:07:46 PM
Sadly many fans are unable to follow winning teams now or in the near future ceamboy for reasons we all know .  Even table toppers Newport and Chester gates are down .
Apart from that many will go along with your opinions .
Its inevitable some clubs will go bust , many players  at our level will be playing for expences only from next season (or before ).  Clubs will have no option but to adjust to the present financial climate .